GOD! Are you there?

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Sorry Sheorayan Ji,

Why He is given that special status even above the Nature, that hurts me.

God is only a belief to cover and justify the things we can't reason. That's it. But really when we reason we will find that everything in the world can be reasoned through natural laws.

What Miss Divya refers to is what Einstien said. Had he really said so? I don't think so. Such things keep on creeping up as long as things goes. I state an example- Some close aide of Late Princess Diana of UK has said that she predicted her death. Now I say about someone known to me that he predicted 11 Sept attacks on US. It is sheer rubbish to state such things. Unless and until you witness and reason them.

What I believe is that
we should NOT fear the entity God- we should fear from ourself, so that we don't do the wrongs.
again we should not leave anything to Him- we should do it ourself, because He doesn't exist.


Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 23, 2003 08:32 a.m.):
Dear Jitu,

It is with our limited analytical knowledge we talk about God punishing or rewarding. For him adjectives do not apply nor do the laws of nature as they do to us ordinary human beings. Because Nature is created by him not vice versa. Probably Divya's idea is very practical and some scripture knowledge goes a long way in helping us under stand what is God .
 
DAER ALL
GOD KA FASALA .
VAD MAE KARIYO.
PAHALY- DIVYA KA PHASALA KARLO ?
1 aak to kahata hai- CHILLAR BHAI ?
2- DUSARA MISS DIVYA ?
GOD ARE YOU THERE ?
AAK VAR- AAKAR JATOO KA FASALA TO KARJA.
NAHI BHAI THARA FASALA TO BHAGWAN BHI KARAN SY NAT LIYA.?????????
HAPPY DEWALI
 
Dear Jitu,

Thanks for the opinion. But I still maintain that by definition nature has it's own limitations. It has beginning and end. Where as God has no such limitations. If we can not see some thing does not mean it does not exist. You may think that God is just an imaginary name given to some unexplainable phenomenon.However that argument does not hold true for every one. Just to give an example say in the dark you see a rope lying some where and mistake it for a snake and be scared. Later on you bring the light and see that there was no snake just a rope. By now you are absolutely certain that the snake was not real it was only an imagination or your belief at the time. Hwoever the fear you felt at the time was very real. Similarly if you have faith in the presence of God the inner strength you get from that faith is very real. Do you believe in Deewali the festival of lights and the spirit behind it. There is more to Deewali than just lighting the lamps. It is the inner lamp which must be lit up to really light up your life.

Happy Deewali to all.
 
Sheorayan Ji,

Thanks for your wishes.

I really do believe in NOT trying to affect the beliefs and the faiths of others. And again I appreciate your spirit in the discussion.

Now, back to the discussion, can nature be finished off? I am really surprised by your quote that nature has beginning and end. Do you beleive that God will exists after the so called end of nature? When you say that God is a faith I agree. When this faith is used as a good spirit I have no problem. For me the problem arises when they misuse this faith.

People spend a lot for the name of God? Here I argue.

Again when a man called "Guru" gives "Raam Naam". Here I argue. Do your God (may I use faith? pls tell) need human contractors to be had?

Again, does God says hate anybody to love that faith? Here again I argue. If anybody has different way of doing goods, he should be free enough.

Now I come to Diwali, I do not fire crackers on this festival. I take this festival as a "festival of light". May be that most of the people celebrate it for the arrival of Rama, but I do this because a lot of communities all across my country do celebrate this festival.

And then finally I would always like to quote for this festival "It is the inner lamp which must be lit up to really light up your life". And I'll try that each and every day of my life be such a Diwali- enlighning my inner self which can give me the satisfaction of living the life and not simply passing the life.


Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 24, 2003 08:53 a.m.):
Dear Jitu,

Thanks for the opinion. But I still maintain that by definition nature has it's own limitations. It has beginning and end. Where as God has no such limitations. If we can not see some thing does not mean it does not exist. You may think that God is just an imaginary name given to some unexplainable phenomenon.However that argument does not hold true for every one. Just to give an example say in the dark you see a rope lying some where and mistake it for a snake and be scared. Later on you bring the light and see that there was no snake just a rope. By now you are absolutely certain that the snake was not real it was only an imagination or your belief at the time. Hwoever the fear you felt at the time was very real. Similarly if you have faith in the presence of God the inner strength you get from that faith is very real. Do you believe in Deewali the festival of lights and the spirit behind it. There is more to Deewali than just lighting the lamps. It is the inner lamp which must be lit up to really light up your life.

Happy Deewali to all.
 
Dear Jitu,

Glad to learn that you have your fundamentals clear. Yes the God does not need any agents. You don't have to search for him any where just within yourself. Once you can find your real self journey to God is the next progression. As far as nature is concerned, even though scientists have different theories about it's origin but what you can judge for yourself in nature. Some times it is day some times it is night, some times it is hot and some times it is cold, some times it is green some times dry. Some things make us laugh some make us cry. What would you call this ? It is Maya including you and me are it's products and thus have beginning and end. God on the other hand is ever constant and provides anchoring point to evolving nature. Hope I have not caused you any confusion. Good luck.
 
GOD! Are you there?

Hi Everybody,

We all know that God is one and available everywhere.Why we are worshipping other god and goddess?We should worship one God like christian people do?

Everybody in our Hindu dharma have made a seprate god.

It is really a confusing matter.I think we should have one God and worship him/her.

-Balraj Dahiya
 
Dear Balraj,

In fact we all worship the one and only God in it's various forms. All religions teach good things only but people do tend to misuse it and high light the differences rather than similarities.

It is better to worship in any form than not to worship it at all. Atleast the individual acknowledges the presence of some power higher than himself. That gives a broader out look on life and aids in tranquility of mind and hence peace. Hinduism has over centuries has accumulated various Gods and Godesses each one of his/her own portfolio. For Jats Hanuman ji and Shivaji are favourites because they both represent strength and are easy to please.
 
jitender singh ji,
i think u did not read the article attentively.
i suggest u to go 4 the same. its a serious topic, in which each and every word matters.
its because of our lack of attention we are missing a lot.
Yajbir wrote that God give us rewrds or punishments AS PER OUR DEEDS.
these are the last 4 words which matters most.

Let God does not do so.
He came out to be (unayaykari) doing unfair with others.

to understand it have examples of students in examination hall as made by Yajvir

if the examiner give more marks to the dull student. he is doing a favour to that person.
AND THAT IS WRONG BY EACH AND EVERY LAW
THAT BASED ON TRUTH.

for further information come to contact with ARYA SAMAJ

Its basic Rules are Philosophy in itself.
have CHINTAN(Brain-Storming) on these points.
this is the only way to correct the ERROR.
have a happy and prosperous life with TRUTH!






Jitender Singh (Oct 22, 2003 02:48 p.m.):
Dear Yajbir,

The if God does so, He is the worst entity. To prove Himself He plays with so many creatures existing in the nature.

"Punishing is not a natural solution to evils,
the natural solution is to correct the error."

Hope you get me.

My idea is:
"The only superpower is nature. Do abide by the natural laws. The is the way to live."

Yajvir Gulia (Oct 18, 2003 03:08 p.m.):
Dear friends,
The replies are very much on the expected lines.
1. There is nothing like that.
2. How does it matter if God is there or not
3. No logic
Shubha Chand ji on the right track.
Those who do not know exact definations and properties of God and do not find logic behind his existance, they start disbelieving Him
Those who think this supercomputer (their body ) and all gifts of nature have been given to them free of cost without any reason, they say --how does it matter if He is there or not.
Others who believe in God because of their forefathers they say He is there.That is all , do not ask further.
But God can be proved logically as well as scientifically. Some of the points are given below--
In this world we can not find any wise creation which has no creator. From an aeroplane to a small needle, a house ,a car, a TV, a pen everything has a creator. The matter is JAD (senseless, inert). It cannot take a wise shape on its own. Here the principle comes out--- No wise creation can take place unless it has a creator. Similar is the case of Human body, earth, trees etc. These are very wise and systematic creations. Human body is a supercomputer-- various parts very well adjusted. See different organs , their functions , blood purification and supply system, eyes and countless operations. Has it became such on its own? See the earth and metals inside it-- how the electrons, protons and neutrons adjusted--- a very perfect system. Does the matter which is called JAD (senseless) has the ability to acquire different forms itself.
The great scientist NEWTON tells through his law of motion-------No matter can change its state of rest or motion unless an external force is applied to it.
This is the logic which makes us to believe that there is a power which is behind the creation of this beautiful nature and this power is called God.
We shouid go in search for more logics for creating real belief in God oterwise we will keep on believing God only from outside not by heart.


And dear Anil you say----what does it matter....... . If some one gives you a house, a car and other gifts without appearing before you, won't you try to find him and thank him. If you don't it will be called Kritghanta (ingratitude).Same case is with the God who has given you a beautiful body, every type of instuments fitted on it, fruits to eat , a very beautiful nature to enjoy. So if you trust in God you should try to find about him and thank him.
Dear Jitender, your argument---had there been any entity like God, there wouldn't have been evils anywhere--- is a very good doubt and this doubt is the biggest factor which makes many people doubt the existance of God. For getting the perfect answer you will have to study ATMA, PARMATMA & PRAKRITI , the purpose of God behind making this srishti. However I quote a small example---
Jeev karm karne me swatantra hai. Karm ke aadhar par phal milega. This world is just like an examination hall. Students are free to write anything. If a student writes something wrong the teacher will not tell him the correct answer. If he does so it will be injustice to other students. All the students will get marks as per their answers. Similarly God does not interfere but gives reward or punishment as per our deeds.
 
Dear Ashok Paul Ji,

I am really discussing the topic with good spirit and I have read each and every statement, except for Dudee Uncle's (I am sorry, but I didn't read them because I always find it difficult to concentrate to read in on ALLCAPS text.)

Anyway now proceeding to the discussion, What I was pointing to was that when we say that it is the God who controls the whole world, there came a statement that "God punishes for wrong deeds". Aren't these two statements contradictory. I He is so much of powerful fellow why not He stop those deeds, rather than allowing to do wrongs and then punishing. And if he only does this so called "Nyaya", I think all the people who don't do wrong are God. Why look for an imaginary entity, find it in the society.

Further, when it comes to visiting Arya Samaj, I am sorry that my ideology doesn't suit these places. What I believe in is to do live as a part of society where you can be satisfied that you lived a life and not Passed a life.

You turn please!
 
Surely Sheorayan Ji,

I am not confused but these points make my belief a bit stronger in my theory.

My opinion says that this what nature is after day it has to be night, things are hot as well as cold, it may be greener in rainy days and dryer days cause the loss of it, instances are to please you, as well as displease you. You call it Maya, and I call it Natural phenomena.

When I used to study the uncertanity factor, my beliefused to be a bit shaky, but from the days I studies the Uncertainity Theory, I got it right that even uncertainity is a very much natural phenomena, and we can scientifically model it as well as predict it. Sorry that this is a bit technical language and probably if you wanna get to it I may give you some references regarding it next time.

Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 27, 2003 05:00 a.m.):
Dear Jitu,

Glad to learn that you have your fundamentals clear. Yes the God does not need any agents. You don't have to search for him any where just within yourself. Once you can find your real self journey to God is the next progression. As far as nature is concerned, even though scientists have different theories about it's origin but what you can judge for yourself in nature. Some times it is day some times it is night, some times it is hot and some times it is cold, some times it is green some times dry. Some things make us laugh some make us cry. What would you call this ? It is Maya including you and me are it's products and thus have beginning and end. God on the other hand is ever constant and provides anchoring point to evolving nature. Hope I have not caused you any confusion. Good luck.
 
GOD! Are you there?

Dear Uncle Shubha Chand Sheorayan ji,

Thanks for nice religious information.

What are the ways of pleasing Hanuman ji and Shivaji ?I hope that you have knowledge of that
ways.Why we jat worship these two God Hanuman ji and Shivaji and why not other community?I think it varies from state to state also.South Indian people worship other God/Goddess and North Indian worship other God/Goddess.

I was born on Tuesday (which people called Hanuman ji's day) and I also tried to go Hanuman ji temple on Tuesday.But I don't know the ways of pleasing Hanumanji and Shivaji.

Regards,
Balraj Dahiya

Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 28, 2003 05:07 a.m.):
Dear Balraj,

In fact we all worship the one and only God in it's various forms. All religions teach good things only but people do tend to misuse it and high light the differences rather than similarities.

It is better to worship in any form than not to worship it at all. Atleast the individual acknowledges the presence of some power higher than himself. That gives a broader out look on life and aids in tranquility of mind and hence peace. Hinduism has over centuries has accumulated various Gods and Godesses each one of his/her own portfolio. For Jats Hanuman ji and Shivaji are favourites because they both represent strength and are easy to please.
 
Dear Jitu,

thanks for your frank opinion.God is not some result which can be deduced from a formula or proved by some hypothesis. Science has not developed far enough to disapprove God. In fact lot of scientists do believe in God. If science was perfect then there should be no need to discover new hypothesis. The fact that science is nothing more than systematic study of Nature. Nature also has it's beginning and goes through changes and subject to it's own limitations. But God is not dependent on nature or any of it's products. One can not understand God or realise it by theorising or using mathematical models. It can only be realised by Atma which is non destructible and has similar qualities as God. Atleast that is what I believe in. That is the reason why some people place so much importance on spirituality. They believe by refering to Atma they will be making right decision under any situation. Because Atma is non destructible and takes bosy forms from one birth to next ultimate aim being Moksha or release from the World of dualities. which includes Nature, day night,birth, death,heat,cold etc. In order to live according to guidance of Atma one has to control all other distractions produced by Maya.
Perhaps you do not believe all this but keep an open mind. One day it may make sense .
 
hallo jitender ji,
If u are really interested in topic, then U have not to discard the suggestion just based on your believes. these may be wrong. as these based on ur experience. And experience of each and individual is different.

To further clarify the concept"we have to go in the deep, taking the TRINITY theory simutaneously." In this we consider ATMA, PARMATMA, and PRAKRITI(nature) as basic elements.
Out of these three
U are accepting only PRAKRITI
According to ur viewpoint each and everything is natural phenomenon.
But if ATMA i.e. YOU or ME don't take actions, we can't get reaction.
Let you(ATMA) feel hungry, its only on u whether to eat or not(its not nature there)

you may come to cross-question here that Hunger is natural phenomenon?
i'm accepting that.
But to eat or not to eat is the decision taken by ATMA(the soul).
you can't deny it.

Further to clarify PARMATMA, i'm taking the same assumption

WHY you(Atma) going to eat?
To avoid suffering caused by hunger.

To get satisfaction(Anand) we take different steps. May be right or wrong depends on our knowledge. we have to accept rewards/punishment for right/wrong deeds with please. as we have to take the responsibility for our deeds.

Now U said that if parmatma is the controller of the nature and Atma, then HE must end evils rather than to punish wrong doers.

Again it's unjustice dear
We(Atmas) can eradicate evils by enhancing knowledge(GYAN) then why look forward to PARMATMA to do injustice when it's not HIS property.

come forward with an open mind and accept the things(with conscious mind)

At least come to JUDGE.
accept my proposal and read(with thinking) "THE LIGHT OF TRUTH" by Swami Dayanand Sarswati.

you can get it from nearest Arya Samaj (both in hindi and English).

Take a step forward and You will feel the difference.
hoping for the best, Ashok(Atma)
 
Dear Ashok Ji,

Again that is where I disagree with the attitude of the people who have faith in God. They simply can't see a person not believing Him. Just try to force him to believe Him.

That was why I had just written that places and organization like Arya Samaj are not for me atleast.

What I want to point is that the heading of the topic is "GOD! Are you there?" First do correct it. It should be "God! Are You there?" Coming to the topic, it is okay to put your arguments in the favour of the topic. But when it is the debate be ready to hear from the other side too.

It is not the first time I have been talking to people who have such faith in the God. But what I really find is that atleast I have not been able to convince myself for that faith. It can be that I may act like that I have faith in God, but infact I don't. Would you like it?

Finally the argument is between your God and my Nature. And I am always convinced by the Nature holding the supreme place instead of God. How can I have faith in things like Atma and Parmatma. For me these things are just like toffee and chocolate for kids to convince them.
 
Dear Sheorayan Ji,

I have got a problem that I don't believe in things unless I can justify myself for believing in it. I always have an open mind, hope any person having faith in God may convince me.

I am not trying to negate or justify God scientifically, but I am saying that we are being able to justify the natural phenomenon scientifically.

I really don't know what atma (soul) is
in your dictionary. In my dictionary it stands out the willingness to follow that moral laws and nothing else.


I don't believe in life after death. So, this atma dies with its being and every newborn is blessed with the atma that follows the moral laws that are taught to him by his surroundings.



Shubha Chand Sheorayan (Oct 29, 2003 05:19 a.m.):
Dear Jitu,

thanks for your frank opinion.God is not some result which can be deduced from a formula or proved by some hypothesis. Science has not developed far enough to disapprove God. In fact lot of scientists do believe in God. If science was perfect then there should be no need to discover new hypothesis. The fact that science is nothing more than systematic study of Nature. Nature also has it's beginning and goes through changes and subject to it's own limitations. But God is not dependent on nature or any of it's products. One can not understand God or realise it by theorising or using mathematical models. It can only be realised by Atma which is non destructible and has similar qualities as God. Atleast that is what I believe in. That is the reason why some people place so much importance on spirituality. They believe by refering to Atma they will be making right decision under any situation. Because Atma is non destructible and takes bosy forms from one birth to next ultimate aim being Moksha or release from the World of dualities. which includes Nature, day night,birth, death,heat,cold etc. In order to live according to guidance of Atma one has to control all other distractions produced by Maya.
Perhaps you do not believe all this but keep an open mind. One day it may make sense .
 
could not help replying to such a beautiful and valuable suggestion by shubh chand ji , budh ji and dudee ji .
asking someone that ...has thau seen god ,is like asking having seen electricity . its all in theory and one has to get a shock in order to know that there is a current in the wire ,similarly i think one has to feel and realise the god (if it is existing ) and no one can tell u what colour of cloth the god wears. if someone does tell , he is simply telling u about his reaction to the current and not actual behaviour of the current (provided he is ready to get a shock ) . in the same way the shock of the force (god ) is to be realised in order to know that the force exist and to describe it is a mear interpretation /reaction of the body / nature of the body .
i remember reading a beautiful article in which the author brings the attention to our way of thinking . he says whatever our idea and thinking today is , is all based on our past experience and has nothing to do with future . similarly stephen hawking in history of time says that we have two cones ,a cone of past experince on a surface of a mirror with the pointed side touching the mirror . now where the cone touches the mirror is where u are at present: the real cone is ur past and the mirror image is the future . now ur future cone tends to be based on ur past but there is a catch i.e ur the future cone keeps changing shape depending on ur present position being a straight line (centre of the future cone } or on edge of the furture cone .hence one can theroritically go anywhere on the surface of mirror only thing one has to leave the tendency the be guided on the imaginary line formed by the past cones containing experinces .
why the above said is useful here is that one has to think and realise all that one does not believe in by leaving his past cone of experiences.
to sum it all even i am not sure whether such a force is there or not as i havent felt the shock myself but a the same i cant deny it based on my past cone .
partially one gets to know the power of force by meditation and forcing the sensation inwards and the cutting the sense itself .
 
GOD! Are You there?

It is very clear by now where most of us stand regarding our beliefs about God. No one really can make you believe or disbelieve, it is indeed your personal experience (or shock as Ramesh Lakra puts it) that may influence your thinking. It is a fact that not every thing can be explained by science or human logic. Take an example - somebody is getting ready to board a bus and then a friend just shows up and lures the person to his house. Later the same bus plunges into a river and all the passengers are gone. What is the explanation for that person's survival? Why did his friend just happen to be there to take him away from the bus? Who sent him? By the way, similar incidents do happen. Such things can make you believe in some Power.

We can believe in anything we want - so long as we don't ridicule those who don't think the way we do. Belief is a very personal matter.
 
Dear All,

We can discuss on this subject for rest of our lives and yet not come to a conclusion. May be we should ask ourselves why are we so much interested in God which no one among us claims to have seen? There is a strong argument for it, which is our desire to know the truth. Why do we want to know the truth ? Because all of us are part of the same. In objective World we see different bodies and individuals i.e. we are concentracting on differences which are purely objective. Where as in subjective sense we all have similarities or are manufactured through same process using similar ingredients and have lot of other similarities. The core one is Atma, We all possess it and that is similar to Parmatma or God. When person experiences God his/her differences with others do not matter any more. It is only similarity with other human being and other creatures matter. Some of us may say again that is all natural or just a mental state of mind. When all conflicts cease to exist and peace is complete may be then and only then are we ready to experience the presence of God. In the mean time we can keep running after the products of nature life after life and perhaps learn from our experience that every thing in nature is transient and we worried over it in vain. Had we spent so much of our efforts in search of God probably we could have made some progress.
Perhaps the root cause of our doubts lies in our perception of God. How do you describe it. Because all our definitions are from objective World. Even to say that God is only one is objective because the concept of numbers,time etc are man made. But if we can some how transdent the objectivity and reach
pure subjectivity we may be closer to God.
So if we want to reach some where just collecting maps will not be sufficient but we also have to start the journey by what ever mode of transportation we choose. Most of spend better parts of our lives collecting maps, visiting temples or wherever but only a few lucky ones make a start of journey in earnest and some of them must reach ultimately. So are we all here collecting maps or are we travelling towards our destination ? Perhaps we all need tour guides ( or Guru) to show us the way The decision is very personal and we all know the answer.
 
Dear friends,

Sorry for being late lateef in entering such a wonderful and thought provoking debate. I read it all and wish to make some submissions.

1. Imagination is as real as reality as human brain is incapable of imaginations.

2. Human body has the sigantures of whole universe on it through all the elements found in universe.

3. No two human being are identical in perception of their surroundings. Perception is an outcome of interaction between two systems. Lack of perception is noting but lack of interaction which gives one feeling of non existence.

4. There is nothing like wrong, everything is right/ fact.

5. Nature is nothing but menifestation of circumstantial coincidence.

6. feeling something is more fundamental than seeing it. Seeing is nothing but confirmation of feeling and some times it may take a great deal of time to see what one feels.

With my above views I can say that those who do not beleive in supreme force, the creator of nature, need to feel a bit more. Call this supreme force by any name, it hardly matters. Mind you all forces can not be measured. Small forces by scientific standards can move heavy objects. Science is incapable in quantifying many natural forces in its present form. Here are few examples;

a. Love is a strong force and responsible for great creations. Will any great scientist tell me how to measure it??

b. Hate is a great destructive force. Has been responsible for destrying cities and cultures. Any one to qualtify this force?

c. Knowledge is a great force. How will one quantify knowledge as force??

As rightly said by many friends, scientific knowledge in present form has many limitations and can not explain everything. May be the supreme force in side us will feel the supreme force outside and when both resonate, we will feel how it looks like or feels like..

Regards
Rajendra
 
In this whole I would like to express my views in the form of an imaginary discussion created....hope it would able to lit the path in this very ethical debate.
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An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with Krishna. He asks one of his new students Hiten Raja to stand and.....

Professor: You are a Hare Krishna devotee, aren't you, son?
Hiten : Yes, sir.
Prof: So you believe in God?
Hiten : Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Hiten : Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Hiten : Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to Krishna to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But Krishna didn't. How is this Krishna good then? Hmm?
(Hiten Raja is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?
Hiten :Yes.
Prof: Is Shaitan good?
Hiten :No.
Prof: Where does Shaitan come from?
Hiten : From...God...
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Hiten : Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Hiten : Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?

(Hiten does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Hiten :Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
(Hiten has no answer.)
Prof: Tell me, son. Do you believe in Krishna?
Hiten :Yes, professor, I do.
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Krishna?
Hiten : No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your Krishna?
Hiten : Yes , sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your Krishna, tasted your Krishna, smelt your Krishna? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Krishna or God for that matter?
Hiten : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?
Hiten : Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your Krishna doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Hiten :Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Hiten : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Hiten :And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Hiten : No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)
Hiten : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 273 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe
the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
>>Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Hiten : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Hiten : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light.....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Hiten : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Hiten : Sir, you are working on the premise of
duality. You argue there is life and then there is
death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant
of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Hiten : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Hiten : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar.)
Hiten : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Hiten : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your
lectures, sir?

(The room is silent. The professor stares at the
student, his face unfathomable.)
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Hiten Raja : That is it sir.. The link between man & god is FAITH.

That is all that keeps things moving & alive.
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