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Jo kuch hua woh theek nahin hua...as it'll create more tensions. Jats and Dalits ko rehna to wahin par hai...Nobody is going to leave that place for ever. Hence the rivalary will increase. And we can imagine more like this.

I think, media is the main culprit. If they would have heeded to what happened to Jat boys, situation would have been different. Aaj kal India mein ulta ho raha hai...Upper caste people don't get the media attention even after they are murdered but Dalits/Muslims/minorities get the full media attention even if some minor incidents against them.

When Khap panchayats created problems in some Jat marriages in Jhajjar distt., It got the full media attention.
When Jat boys beat some Chamars in Jhajjar as they killed some cows, this incident was fully reported.

But don't u think that Chamars/muslims are not inflicted with social issues. Kya Chamars mein Child marriages, Dowry deaths etc issues nahin hote. Woh sab wahan par bhee hain and they are suffering more due to these but they are not much highlighted in MEDIA. Only points that are highlighted are when Dalits/Muslims etc are on the receiving end from other upper castes...WHY THIS??


There are many other questions unanswered...
 
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itsnavin said:
Jo kuch hua woh theek nahin hua...as it'll create more tensions. Jats and Dalits ko rehna to wahin par hai...Nobody is going to leave that place for ever. Hence the rivalary will increase. And we can imagine more like this.

I think, media is the main culprit. If they would have heeded to what happened to Jat boys, situation would have been different. Aaj kal India mein ulta ho raha hai...Upper caste people don't get the media attention even after they are murdered but Dalits/Muslims/minorities get the full media attention even if some minor incidents against them.

When Khap panchayats created problems in some Jat marriages in Jhajjar distt., It got the full media attention.
When Jat boys beat some Chamars in Jhajjar as they killed some cows, this incident was fully reported.

But don't u think that Chamars/muslims are not inflicted with social issues. Kya Chamars mein Child marriages, Dowry deaths etc issues nahin hote. Woh sab wahan par bhee hain and they are suffering more due to these but they are not much highlighted in MEDIA. Only points that are highlighted are when Dalits/Muslims etc are on the receiving end from other upper castes...WHY THIS??


There are many other questions unanswered...



...and those would forever be left unanswered. :-(

Its pretty sad to say that "This is INDIA".

$umit
 
Naveen, point here is not about media role....wheather media is playing its correctly or not thats a differnet issue...

The point here is what should be our mentality.This is not what we supposed to do in this case.
If those people creating some kind of problem then go by the proper way...This is not the first muder in haryana....agar isme unka haath hai to bhai police hai...common yaar ....pura ilaka jaaton ka ..sansad jat...aab don't say ki police is not doing their job..but doing these kind of thins really show some kind of frustation.

These kind of incident shows that may be are physically strong but not mentaly. may be this time(agar koi action hota hai to ...and that is very rare chance) sabko chod diya jaaye..."mob mantelaty" ka naam leker log baach jaayein...but future main kya hoga..may be some strong laws bun jaayenge...tab kay karenge..kisi ko maar kai problem solve nahi hoti ..verna duniya hamare aane se pahle hi khatam ho chuki hoti...







itsnavin said:
Jo kuch hua woh theek nahin hua...as it'll create more tensions. Jats and Dalits ko rehna to wahin par hai...Nobody is going to leave that place for ever. Hence the rivalary will increase. And we can imagine more like this.

I think, media is the main culprit. If they would have heeded to what happened to Jat boys, situation would have been different. Aaj kal India mein ulta ho raha hai...Upper caste people don't get the media attention even after they are murdered but Dalits/Muslims/minorities get the full media attention even if some minor incidents against them.

When Khap panchayats created problems in some Jat marriages in Jhajjar distt., It got the full media attention.
When Jat boys beat some Chamars in Jhajjar as they killed some cows, this incident was fully reported.

But don't u think that Chamars/muslims are not inflicted with social issues. Kya Chamars mein Child marriages, Dowry deaths etc issues nahin hote. Woh sab wahan par bhee hain and they are suffering more due to these but they are not much highlighted in MEDIA. Only points that are highlighted are when Dalits/Muslims etc are on the receiving end from other upper castes...WHY THIS??


There are many other questions unanswered...
 
I think the right path for Jats would have been to agitate peacefully in large numbers and hold a dharna in front of Vidhan Sabha or District offices to draw attention and force the admisnitration to act. Taking law in one's hand is more crminal than the crime orginally committed.

Media ofcourse has its own agenda in India and can not be trusted. Other side of this is that when administration sleeps over justice, this is how the public anger menifests. Administration also has to take blame for inaction in bringing the murder culprits to books.

RK^2
 
singh_1981 said:
Naveen, point here is not about media role....wheather media is playing its correctly or not thats a differnet issue...

The point here is what should be our mentality.This is not what we supposed to do in this case.
If those people creating some kind of problem then go by the proper way...This is not the first muder in haryana....agar isme unka haath hai to bhai police hai...common yaar ....pura ilaka jaaton ka ..sansad jat...aab don't say ki police is not doing their job..but doing these kind of thins really show some kind of frustation.

These kind of incident shows that may be are physically strong but not mentaly. may be this time(agar koi action hota hai to ...and that is very rare chance) sabko chod diya jaaye..."mob mantelaty" ka naam leker log baach jaayein...but future main kya hoga..may be some strong laws bun jaayenge...tab kay karenge..kisi ko maar kai problem solve nahi hoti ..verna duniya hamare aane se pahle hi khatam ho chuki hoti...

Yes..I know. But I was raising my concerns about media too. I discussed what role media plays in twisting the series of event. You must have read post from Harvinder Malik and what he noticed in the news. This is how media is behaving.

About mob mentality thing, there is no fear of laws in India whether ur a Dalit or Jat. Chamars won't have killed that Jat boy if they feared law or police and same applies to Jats as well.

I think, Rajender ji comments are one of reasons why this incident occured: The leniency of distt. administration to avoid these kind of incidents. Administation can do hell lot of things and I am pretty sure they know everything but they look with closed eyes.
 
I see the story from 3 angles:

1. Human Rights: Yes we as a society in India need to develop the sense of human rights. These two terms are used by people in various contexts often to suit their pupose - even Militants in Kashmir cry for their 'human-right violation' by Army - but what about the human right of the Army person deployed there - May be he is not a 'human'. What human right values if ensuring the right through legal method takes a person's entire life and that too with uncertainty? How much 'human right' is right ? This is a philosophical question and each one of us have different answer based on the environment he has been exposed so far.

2. Media: Time for morality based media is over now. Each channel/newspaper must compete to each other for greater ratings. More often the media house has a support/funding from some major political party/business institution and then act as 'coloring' the news in their color. If you invest money in something all you care about is better returns. Interesting News are presented in 'interesting way' so that it sell. More often the process to make the news 'interesting' involves removing certain aspects of the news or miss the other side entirely. Everyonee of us knows this very well.

3: Political and Administrative: Politics is caste based - lets accept it. The reservation policy has been an effective tool to fill Administrative positions with a set of certain castes - these may not have a single caste name attached but centainly all shares the same sentiments - All UPPER castes are bad and exploiters. There are instances where part of person's land is taken from him (chakbandi) to allote to certain caste people. This is process and may sound totally reasonable for us sitting in our AC rooms on cushioned Sofa. But should not we looked into the financial state of the person also whose land is taken away - 5 Bigha total, Mother, Father, 2 unmarried sisters, 2 childern, wife and himself to support on that. Is this possible ... I guess NO???. I think these days we are not 'undoing' the unjust that these castes went through in past but rather doing 'unjust' on the other castes by snatching the already scarce resources from them to 'reserve' for them.
Regarding Administration - I have only one thing to say - agar machine mein genhoon pisne ke liye daaloge to bajra kahan se piss ke aayega ?. If your input grade of candidates is low then how will you get good administration?
Thought of building political pressure is useless. Politics is a game of numbers, and the numbers of so called LOWER castes are far more compared to others - and on top of that they remains susceptible to be directed due to lack of education and understanding. The future is also not promising as the population increase pattern suggests.

My Views about this instance:
I think media must be held responsible for reporting the 'half' news. Agreed they can not be sure about the person who murdered the 'jaat' person and also the reason why he got murdered. But then how can they be sure about the reasons they cited for the 'attack'? Are the reasons they cited the correct reasons OR most-selling reasons? Pictorial representation is far more powerful than textual. How can they broadcast the one sided 'victims' when everyone knows that this level of 'attack' is not a moment planning and MUST BE HAVING reasons for such tension build up. Have anybody tried to look into those reasons ... forget about 'anticipating' these?
Again the Administration was sleeping and now will isolate some 'goats' to balme. The politics will sympathise with the 'victims' and some local community leaders will try to make their career on this.

Good luck to all of them.

Who will get the facts ??

Sorry for writing this long. Haath rukta hi nahi yaar !!!
 
A Serious Matter...

Dear All,

My thoughts on the Gohana episode are a bit different than those expressed because there is a deeper social upheaval that is underway in our villages. Should my views be unpalatable, I don’t seek any forgiveness because it is necessary to speak the truth.

The fact that ‘Harijans & Dalits’ have been trampled upon for centuries can’t be denied. It is not the fault of JATS to be landowners all over the world. The society of yesteryears was based upon ‘Might is Right’. We had the might, therefore our ancestors occupied and tilled the most fertile lands. If a Harijan is born the way he is, and lives the life he lives, you can’t blame anyone for it. I am ready to see it as destiny, past Karmas or what you will. It does not mean that they have no right to better their living conditions, lead healthier, cleaner, happier and purposeful lives. We all have grown up in villages and have seen that how dependent they are on the landowners, mostly JATS.

Reservation has been guaranteed to them by our founding fathers and they have used and misused it to the hilt. Yet their lot has not improved because the whole issue of reservations is lopsided. Again they can’t blame others for it. The most disturbing trend is observed in the last two decades when these people have come to realise their immense ‘Nuisance Value’ in electoral politics and exploitation of the same. The likes of Kanshi Ram, Mayavati, Paswan, Lallo and ‘Mother of All Exploiters, the Nehru – Gandhi Dynasty have always bent backwards to ensure that undue advantage is given to Dalits. These people have the freedom to do whatever they feel like, occupy any empty land, erect a statue of Ambedkar wherever they feel like and the land becomes theirs. See what happens when you try to remove these encroachers. They are ready to do any kind of job to ensure two things: retain their nuisance value and keep increasing their numbers. They can **** on Rajpath and you can do nothing about it. In fact there are acts passed by parliament to punish law-abiding citizens who try and protest against the lawlessness of Dalits.

Now take the condition of our brethren, the JATS who are living in the villages. I don’t have to repeat as to how shrinking land, exodus to towns by those who can afford to and increasing population adversely affect the otherwise sturdy community of JATS. In simple words the villager feels left out. Those in the villages have hardly any other source of income to fall back upon except agriculture or may be a son who is in Fauj, BSF, CRPF, DTC, Haryana Roadways or some such job. Today even a Jawan wants to have independence from the shackles of a joint family and go it alone as he feels that his children will be better looked after. Add to this predicament the universally known and accepted negative qualities of our community and the mixture is alarming if not explosive. The most disturbing fact of history is that no other community stands in support of the JATS, no one.

The catalyst to this whole mixture is near abandonment of the JAT villager by their so-called political leaders and their kith and kin who are better off (exceptions are agreed to). Because we can never unite and vote as a single entity like Dalits, we would remain neglected. The politician knows that half the JATS in a village will vote for Congress and the other half for INLD/BJP. He also knows that those who voted for them this year would vote for the other side next year. So it doesn’t really matter to them because the numbers game is in the hands of Dalits and minorities. Therefore, the politician is targeting the Dalit vote (No wonder Mr Hooda, our CM. was sitting so full of guilt during the press conference, flanked ofcourse by the future leader Randeep Surjewala, as though he himself had torched the Dalit Basti in Gohana). Not a single politician has spoken about the JAT boy who was murdered.

Now the question that Police should have been allowed to do their job and that famous quote about ‘Law should take its own course’. Those of you who don’t know should be wiser by knowing that in Haryana (and may be other places as well) there is a going rate for covering up the crimes one commits. Murder ki FIR mein hera pheri karne ke liye itne hazar, Dacoity ko Chori karne ke liye itne hazar. The whole damn system is rotten. And what will holding Dharna achieve? Nothing at all as the Government of India has stopped listening to those who don’t have the power to raise an armed struggle.

Such incidents will increase in the future all over Haryana. I fear this will lead to near civil war like situation because once the Communists jump in the fray, the Naxalities are not far behind. Attempt will be made to convert a peaceful state and industrially active area into another Bihar. I see such episodes to be a direct challenge to The JAT self respect/esteem. If we don’t unite into a single political force our condition would be worst than Dalits. JATS will never lift **** on their heads or polish shoes on a railway platform to survive, whereas Dalits can do anything. It is Disadvantage JATS all the way. The day is not far off when abandoned JATS from the villages will be so disgusted by the present administrators and politicians that they will have no option but to resort to violence. And there are many enemies of India who will support them. After all they are not located very far away. I pray everyday that we don’t reach that stage.

Need I tell you what my reaction to the Gohana episode is?

Regards,

JS Malik
 
Hello Sir,

i am fully agreed with your comments. In the last two decades there has been drastic change in society in villages.

due to increasing poverty,unemployement in villages especially in Haryana,delhi western UP. Jat youths are motivating towards crime.

everyday In newspaper we heard of new gangsters in delhi, haryana mostly of them are Jats.Its a very alarming situation...

and about dalits , they are causing problem everywhere, I think last year also they cause trouble in jallandhar( with Jat-sikhs).

Regards
Jitender
 
Very well summed up sir Jagmohan ji.

Cann't agree more ...We need political unity and economic growth of the community.
 
I have been following this thread for some time....many thoughts have come across my mind....i start writing and then i realise i cannot take a stand on this....the sociologist in me sees this from a wider social problem angle...and the jat in me justifies what has been done to these people (as my father said...they did not attack with a purpose to kill anyone ...whereas one of us was killed brutally by a group...just wanted to scare them out). Finally the idea which did make sense to me and i thought i could write this is:

Our PR is definitely bad.

If we want to be better heard, understood and not be misunderstood as a community...we need to do our homework...we need reach out to the outer society around us and make them understand what jats are....we have been cast in a stereotype....need to break out of that....nobody emphathises with us...jagmohan uncle said- soon we would be the most marginalised community in north india....one solution to that is to integrate with our better society....the other is to make them understand the differences and make those differences acceptable....so that they hear, understand and represent us in the media or elsewhere differently...most of the time its not about stakes...its about perceptions...
 
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priti said:
I have been following this thread for some time....many thoughts have come across my mind....i start writing and then i realise i cannot take a stand on this....the sociologist in me sees this from a wider social problem angle...and the jat in me justifies what has been done to these people (as my father said...they did not kill anyone ...whereas one of us was killed brutally by a group). Finally the idea which did make sense to me and i thought i could write this is:

Our PR is definitely bad.

If we want to be better heard, understood and not be misunderstood as a community...we need to do our homework...we need reach out to the outer society around us and make them understand what jats are....we have been cast in a stereotype....need to break out of that....nobody emphathises with us...jagmohan uncle said- soon we would be the most marginalised community in north india....one solutionto that is to integrate with our better society....the other is to make them understand the differences and make those differences acceptable....so that they hear, understand and represent us in the media or elsewhere differently...most of the time its not about stakes...its about perceptions...



Well said Priti. Once again it is going to be the survival of the fittest. It never vanished. We have to co-exist with all casts and creeds and have to do it with a sense of dignity and honour. Question is...Will our guilible ppl at villages will ever get the proper support of educated breed or the episodes of Gohana and Jhajhar will keep on repeating themselves one after the another. If it is later then it will be a shame for all of us. If media has to be menaged that too will have to be done by THE SO CALLED EDUCATED CLAN. Let us prepare a common ground where some of us can meet and discuss certain burning issues affecting our people and can do something on ground. Thanx for your views.
 
Jagmohan ji, Kati baat ka nichod kad diya aapne ...

This episode doesnot aroused atonce ... for the last few years those people were having such kind of activities and people even complained a lot about them ... but from last few months they start riding on heads .. and did whatever they wanted .. Police ka te sabne bera hai ke haal hai ...for the rape case and guy from butana all FIR and complaints were done but no results even after 6 months ... and no issue was raised by any of the leaders or media that time ( even the jat leaders ).

Wo ek post mein kahya kise ne ek police jat ...admin jat ...mp jaat ... bhai ye jaat marod mein rahen hein .... aur jatiyan ki tertah out of way jake mer na lete ..... and politcians are trapped in their greed of votes ..
 
I Agree 100% with Priti. Our PR is in no doubt bad.

People sometime accuse jat's of being rude-misbeheaving. Though in majority of cases they are simply to-the-point and Frank. Nobody mentions the contributions/sacrifices jats make to indian Security on borders. We are seens as 'Tau', or Mahender singh Tiket - who has outlived their political image in modern society.
Are we a laughing matter OR 'nation protector' ?

What what can be done to improve it? What paltforms are available? How can an individual contribute to this cause.
What kind of political leaders we are generating within community to project it?

Why do we have differences internally - UP jat, Haryana Jat, Rajisthani Jat, Sikh Jat? Can't we bargain and project ourself as ONE ?
 
Read My Thread Bandh Muthhee

mkrana said:
I Agree 100% with Priti. Our PR is in no doubt bad.

People sometime accuse jat's of being rude-misbeheaving. Though in majority of cases they are simply to-the-point and Frank. Nobody mentions the contributions/sacrifices jats make to indian Security on borders. We are seens as 'Tau', or Mahender singh Tiket - who has outlived their political image in modern society.
Are we a laughing matter OR 'nation protector' ?

What what can be done to improve it? What paltforms are available? How can an individual contribute to this cause.
What kind of political leaders we are generating within community to project it?

Why do we have differences internally - UP jat, Haryana Jat, Rajisthani Jat, Sikh Jat? Can't we bargain and project ourself as ONE ?



AKELE-2 to pitai hoti hai Manoj bhai. read my thread Bandh Muthhee.JATS ARE JATS Irrespective of boundaries or barriers.
 
Gohana Kand

I agree to Newton's law --Action Reaction
but we should not act in anger as it always give bad results.
If someone has killed Jat's boy or doing any wrong thing to our society then we can take a legal course, we can organize Dharna etc.
I understand legal course is a time taking process or sometimes we dont get desired results but v can always protest, can raise voice.
But definetly we should not kill someone as by doing so situation get worse.
Now u c what is happening--- SYMPATHY IS WITH DALIT's
WHAT JAT's GOT????????
 
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jats dont need sympathy

Priyanka ji
This is the differance we jats dont need sympethies we need justice and that to be timely justice.Justice delayed is justice denied and if justice is denied and that to the marshall race as ours, the result is as bad as this and may be worst then this too in future...
capt manjeet
 
SYMPATHY IS WITH IRAQ ,AFGHANISTAN
WHAT AMERICA GOT? (America got wat Jats got from this incident) When you enjoy power you got money, rights, support and everything you want.
So Jats have done the good job for their monopoly. (i have edited my reply to say all this as ppl didnt get my point before.

I again tell that we can be diplomat (to show) but got to do the real stuff.
Jats dont be bania /punjabi - keep up your fighting spirit.

What did blacks do in America to make their mark?
What did America do in the world?..... any many more.

People say Jats are lagging in business and other professions. Alright but now if they also start lagging in their fighting spirit then I am sure they will be sweeping the floors of dalits.




priyanka said:
Now u c what is happening--- SYMPATHY IS WITH DALIT's
WHAT JAT's GOT????????
 
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Gohana

So What did we all JAT's get. After burning of DAlit's house ??????
Did u get that Jat's boy who died???????
Now when Jat's burnt their houses then do u think it will stop them.
They kill U n U kill them. By doing so what result will we get??????/
JAts r lagging in business becoz of their ego or because of their unprofessional behave.
When U go to a client then did he ever asked about your caste??
Did he say that u r Jat so i will not work with u???????
I am also in business, i never faced any difficulty being Jat while i have ego also as m JAT
 
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Hi Priyanka,

I am not agreed with you......

But to rectify you.. we jats are not lagging in business due to unprofessional behaviour or ego ???????

its our aggresiveness and fighting spirit which makes us distinct from rest of communities.

And we are gaining expertise in every field although I agreed still lot of work has to be done...

And sorry I am not a diplomat or Politician .. I am jat...

Aur koi jat marega mujhey toh dard hogaa.. haan u are right why they have burnt empty houses of chamaars unhe bhi foonk dena thaa saath main...

I am fully agreed with Priti our PR is very weak .. But at least we should expect suppport from within our community..

Regards
Jitender




priyanka said:
So What did we all JAT's get. After burning of DAlit's house ??????
Did u get that Jat's boy who died???????
Now when Jat's burnt their houses then do u think it will stop them.
They kill U n U kill them. By doing so what result will we get??????/
JAts r lagging in business becoz of their ego or because of their unprofessional behave.
When U go to a client then did he ever asked about your caste??
Did he say that u r Jat so i will not work with u???????
I am also in business, i never faced any difficulty being Jat while i have ego also as m JAT
 
well said man

jitender_singh said:
Hi Priyanka,

I am not agreed with you......

But to rectify you.. we jats are not lagging in business due to unprofessional behaviour or ego ???????

its our aggresiveness and fighting spirit which makes us distinct from rest of communities.

And we are gaining expertise in every field although I agreed still lot of work has to be done...

And sorry I am not a diplomat or Politician .. I am jat...

Aur koi jat marega mujhey toh dard hogaa.. haan u are right why they have burnt empty houses of chamaars unhe bhi foonk dena thaa saath main...

I am fully agreed with Priti our PR is very weak .. But at least we should expect suppport from within our community..

Regards
Jitender
Thanks Jitender
I must say u have given prianka a decent and good reply even i thought of doing the same but when i read her reply and she made her priority clear that business is need of the time and it appeared that business for her comes at top and i dont agree with that so i did not feel like replying that.anyway i have my priority very clear my honour and self respect comes right at the top rest follows isee liye in chudoon ki harkat dekh ke aag lag ja hai!!!
Capt manjeet
 
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