Gohana(Sonipat)

[varuntomar]

@priyanka

bebbe seems you have also become a victim of being politically correct...

though we should do things that benefit us in one sense or the other but that should not make us incapable of doing things that may seem unpleasant initially but may have far reaching benefits for the common social good (if handled correctly).....

as a member mentioned in his post the residents of that dalit basti were far from being innocent....leave alone lootpaat but when they commit crimes like rape and murder with impunity the issue needs to be addressed strongly.....when the administration becomes indifferent because of political compulsions people have to take law in their hands.....

earlier the dalit youths might have committed crimes like rape and murder because of a false sense of bravado but now they will think twice before even thinking of doing something similar.....ofcourse you can argue that this incident can lead to further escalation in the tension that already exist but there comes the part of handling it properly.....as Col. Malik has pointed out if the politicians are allowed to have their way the day wont be far when haryana too will witness a situation like bihar....the media has a trackrecord of sensationalising such issues to make a quick buck by increasing the TRPs (they may do it to increase certain political masters also).....

now this incident cannnot bring the Jat youth back but it will certainly scare those who did that sort of a thing to attempt such a thing in future....while the morality of the whole issue may be debated by the sociologosts and the like.....

there is a place near shamli called kairana (btw it is also known as mini pakistan).....its a hub for buying latest weapons supplied by ISI etc......the only reason we have not witnessed riots or a bombay blast like situation in that region is the fear those goons have of Jats......

succeeding in business etc. is very relevant and if u argue that such incidents affect a comunitoes business interest unfavourably i can argue that the fear factor it generates may afect it favourably too.....

btw the news reports suggest that the panchayat that was held before the incident gave the local administration a warning to take some concrete action in the murder case by wednesday and when that did not happen they had to take this unfortunate step.....

 

[priyanka]

Thanks Jitender
I must say u have given prianka a decent and good reply even i thought of doing the same but when i read her reply and she made her priority clear that business is need of the time and it appeared that business for her comes at top and i dont agree with that so i did not feel like replying that.anyway i have my priority very clear my honour and self respect comes right at the top rest follows isee liye in chudoon ki harkat dekh ke aag lag ja hai!!!
Capt manjeet

QUOTE=capt_manjeet]Thanks Jitender

I have never given any priority to business or money in my life nor m working for money. What i wanted to say is that.....now the need is to grow and educate oneself
I mentioned business just becoz one other member mentioned in his post that we JATS are lagging in business and .......so on
I joined this site why???????Just becoz i want more JAts to be in touch, to help each other, to share views....
Is it giving me business???????

It seems that u just want revenge but i dont think that this is right. One must be aggressive to some extent or but sorry to say that i dont agree with your idea of REVENGE.
What do u think that JAts are very decent, they dont committ crime or rape. Go in any village and u will find that more than 50% JAT's boy are involved in CHORI CHAKARI. Why dont all JAT gather, Go and burn their houses also as they r looting their own JAT BHAI's. If you want i can give you n number of boys name who are from my village and belong to respected families. and r involved in LOOT. Infact one boy murdered his own father some time back.Would you like to burn his house ofcourse not.
I also want that JATS must be united, must help each other but not at the cost of any human being's life.

If i am wrong then u can correct me, i wont mind that.

 

[jitender_singh]

Thanks Manjeet bhai...

Hi Priyanka,

I think you have taken a debate in wrong spirit...

Certainly,I am not supporting those jats who are indulge in crime.. we all condemn that...

and here we are talking about incident which will have long impact on Haryana...

You area talking about Jats have done that..but have you talk about that JAT who was brutally killed by Dalits...

And you are talking those dalits who are involve in heinous crimes... drugs,rape, murder etc..

And the latest, they are causing a same problem in Maharashatra...

And if they are so much fond of fight and wants to be warrior.. why don't they join armed forces...


And you want Jats to be united not at the cost of human life...for your information jats did not killed anyone in Gohana...

Instead of criticizing our own community, it is better if we do something constructive...

Regards
Jitender

QUOTE=capt_manjeet]Thanks Jitender

I have never given any priority to business or money in my life nor m working for money. What i wanted to say is that.....now the need is to grow and educate oneself
I mentioned business just becoz one other member mentioned in his post that we JATS are lagging in business and .......so on
I joined this site why???????Just becoz i want more JAts to be in touch, to help each other, to share views....
Is it giving me business???????

It seems that u just want revenge but i dont think that this is right. One must be aggressive to some extent or but sorry to say that i dont agree with your idea of REVENGE.
What do u think that JAts are very decent, they dont committ crime or rape. Go in any village and u will find that more than 50% JAT's boy are involved in CHORI CHAKARI. Why dont all JAT gather, Go and burn their houses also as they r looting their own JAT BHAI's. If you want i can give you n number of boys name who are from my village and belong to respected families. and r involved in LOOT. Infact one boy murdered his own father some time back.Would you like to burn his house ofcourse not.
I also want that JATS must be united, must help each other but not at the cost of any human being's life.

If i am wrong then u can correct me, i wont mind that.

 

[ashishsangwan]

Gohana

Few of us have quoted dat they personally feel this act of burning houses is very shameful, Ok agreed.
But what if this information ( Jats have burnt the houses) is not 100% true.
Few of the people from that area known to me, have been telling that the fact is that the houses were burnt by the Dalits themselves. Even I do believe it, is it possible that more than 50 houses were gutted into fire & surprisingly no one was living in those empty houses for last 10-15 hours, not acceptable…. And our people are not cowards that they waited for 2-3 days to let those people quit the houses and then jump into action.
And above all, ask the localities of that area that what all unhuman deeds those Dalits were doing for long time (kidnapping, eve-teasing, ransoms, Blah Blah Blah,)was that something on humanitarian grounds.

 

[sukhbirsingh]

I agree to Newton's law --Action Reaction
but we should not act in anger as it always give bad results.
If someone has killed Jat's boy or doing any wrong thing to our society then we can take a legal course, we can organize Dharna etc.
I understand legal course is a time taking process or sometimes we dont get desired results but v can always protest, can raise voice.
But definetly we should not kill someone as by doing so situation get worse.
Now u c what is happening--- SYMPATHY IS WITH DALIT's
WHAT JAT's GOT????????

well priyanka u know liggle system? it takes many years and this law - you know real answer for this problem lies in LAW. Which has been copied from european countries which is not applicable to our society, No law maker has done any hard work on it just they copied it and make it more appealing for a particular community. Can u believe in law well i am giving one example of it i faced two times haryana public service commission but all the times i got neglected because my father was not having money to pay bribes so ultimately i have to leave this country. Do u want to know the reason I think reason lies in that LAW. So in India- Dharna and LAW is of no value. Who is having the power they will rule. and in my opinion it was a right thing that happened in gohana.

 

[captmanjeet]

QUOTE=capt_manjeet]Thanks Jitender

I have never given any priority to business or money in my life nor m working for money. What i wanted to say is that.....now the need is to grow and educate oneself
I mentioned business just becoz one other member mentioned in his post that we JATS are lagging in business and .......so on
I joined this site why???????Just becoz i want more JAts to be in touch, to help each other, to share views....
Is it giving me business???????

It seems that u just want revenge but i dont think that this is right. One must be aggressive to some extent or but sorry to say that i dont agree with your idea of REVENGE.
What do u think that JAts are very decent, they dont committ crime or rape. Go in any village and u will find that more than 50% JAT's boy are involved in CHORI CHAKARI. Why dont all JAT gather, Go and burn their houses also as they r looting their own JAT BHAI's. If you want i can give you n number of boys name who are from my village and belong to respected families. and r involved in LOOT. Infact one boy murdered his own father some time back.Would you like to burn his house ofcourse not.
I also want that JATS must be united, must help each other but not at the cost of any human being's life.

If i am wrong then u can correct me, i wont mind that.

dear priyanka
i thing u took me all wrong i had no intentions of revenge or i was acting in vandetta.i certainlly do not share the same opinion as u do but that does not motivate me to take some revenge or something....now regarding business and all that we jats are lagging behind in business that has nothing to do with incident like these these are incident in isolation.i am certainly dead against the act of burning the houses of so called dalits.but i am also not in favour of giving this the color of atussle between jats and dalits .i just wanted to say this burning has nothing to do with dalits as such it is one particular locality whichis invested by the criminals and the administrqation was not taking action and the othersection of soceity acted in anger thats it.
my only concern here iws that peaple including media and polityical leaders and many fellow jatlander are making it a issue that jats have burnt the houses of innocent dalits.because in our country dalits is a synonym od poor and deprived.that is the major issue.
once AGAIN NO INTENTIONS OF REVENGE against u or anyone here.
capt manjeet

 

[priyanka]

Dear Capt

dear priyanka
i thing u took me all wrong i had no intentions of revenge or i was acting in vandetta.i certainlly do not share the same opinion as u do but that does not motivate me to take some revenge or something....now regarding business and all that we jats are lagging behind in business that has nothing to do with incident like these these are incident in isolation.i am certainly dead against the act of burning the houses of so called dalits.but i am also not in favour of giving this the color of atussle between jats and dalits .i just wanted to say this burning has nothing to do with dalits as such it is one particular locality whichis invested by the criminals and the administrqation was not taking action and the othersection of soceity acted in anger thats it.
my only concern here iws that peaple including media and polityical leaders and many fellow jatlander are making it a issue that jats have burnt the houses of innocent dalits.because in our country dalits is a synonym od poor and deprived.that is the major issue.
once AGAIN NO INTENTIONS OF REVENGE against u or anyone here.
capt manjeet

i agree with you. Yes i also share the same opinion as u do that it has nothing to do with incident like these these are incident in isolation.
As one member "Gagan said", that we are lagging in business n profession so i replied about that only ......nothing else.


Priyanka

 

[gaganjat]

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

 

[priyanka]

Dear gagan

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

Cool Down man. Not only me but No body will like the ppl with bad intentions .

 

[rkumar]

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

Gagan,

Though I am agaisnt all type of violence, but lately I have started seeing some truth into what leads to such Gohana reactions. Over protection to Dalits has given them a sense of immunity against all the filth they can throw over nation and law abiding citizens. Minority communities in India assisted by some psedu intellectuals are a pmpered lot. Inaction of authorities against minority communities is the root cause of such extreme behaviour. There is human limit to tolerence and this is excatly what seems to have happened in the present case. Trust me, even my blood has started boiling lately against all this. I am almost at the extreme of leading 100,000 jats into Haryana and join the jat brothers there if things go too far aganist Jats. I am reading in news papers that some of these Dalits are talking of relegion conversion and things like that. They will all forget their religions and everything if we Jats come to our truelself and join hands with Sikh and muslim Jats of the region. Such events force even people like us to take extreme positions. I think message must reach clearly to everyone that Jats can not take this s**t anymore.. Enough is enough.. Jats are law abiding and peaceful people. However, they will be ready to loose everything if it comes to their self respect...Let whole nation know it very clearly...

Rajendra

 

[raju_dagar]

gohana

GREAT Mr. gagan


in media walo ko kay pata in ko to apnai dukan chamkana sa matlab hai
media ko kay pata un harameo na weha kay gadar macha ka rakh rakha taha
sara to galat kam kerta tha.Or in media walo na baljeet ka gahr walo sa ja ka pucha ek bar bhi ki kitni bearehami sa us murder kea tha.jo ki wo log ajj tak kuch na kuch kand kerta aa reha tha abhi ek bhai na batya ki kuch din pahela
butana ka larka ka murder kea tha or us ka bad kuthra ki ak girl ka sath rape .
or ajj tak police un ka kuch nahi kar paie.to bhai sabh harmainder agar police kuch nahi kera ji to PANCHAYAT neau dhuma uthao ji. or media wala laga hath
sangwan ka bhi picha lag lea.In media or humanrigts walo ko to bus apni dukan chamkena sa matlab hai.jab na ko humanrights or media tha jab wa dusra din gohana ma vardat kera kerta.

 

[raju_dagar]

gohana

GREAT Mr. gagan


in media walo ko kay pata in ko to apnai dukan chamkana sa matlab hai
media ko kay pata un harameo na weha kay gadar macha ka rakh rakha taha
sar to galat kam kerta tha.Or in media walo na baljeet ka gahr walo sa ja ka pucha ek bar bhi ki kitni bearehami sa us murder kea tha.jo ki wo log ajj tak kuch na kuch kand kerta aa reha tha abhi ek bhai na batya ki kuch din pahela
butana ka larka ka murder kea tha or us ka bad kuthra ki ak girl ka sath rape .
or ajj tak police un ka kuch nahi kar paie.to bhai sabh sukhbir agar police kuch nahi kera gi to PANCHAYAT neau dhuma uthao gi. or media wala laga hath
sangwan ka bhi picha lag lea.In media or humanrigts walo ko to bus apni dukan chamkena sa matlab hai.jab na ko humanrights or media tha jab wa dusra din gohana ma vardat kera kerta.

 

[jitender_singh]

Gagan Bhai,

Hats Off...

Cheers
Jitender

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

 

[priti]

Seems like some are more equal than the others...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1482787,000900010001.htm

Regards
Priti

 

[priti]

If I may request....could all the members who feel about this episode, go online to all the newspaper websites and submit their comments on the way the story of gohana has been reported in a very polite and decent manner....most stories at the bottom will have an option 'comment on the article'.....will take some time...but its worth it.....one way of improving our PR.

 

[singh1981]

Vinash kaale viprit budhi...

As I have told before I am from village 'Ghadi ghilala' first village on the main road after Gohana. We know all the panchayatis and villagers there. My dada is always a panchayati of that area.

My cousins were there at that time and I know what actually happened.

And I tell you its in the interest of Jats.

The whole basti of dalits or whatever fled away when they smelled that its an end of their life. Whatever happened was just a small show, it was supposed to be an end of life of all dalits in that part.

I guarantee that no body there will dare to do anything against Jats even in dreams.

I would have been the part of the show if I was there.

Almighty jat monopoly cant be hurt by anyone in our areas for sure.

Non-sense anti-jat comments will be f*ked by me.

and girls of this site take my words if you have brothers like me even a bad glimpse at you can be a good excuse for losing life. So think before you write in favour of those people with bad intentions for our girls.

 

[mkrana]

If I may request....could all the members who feel about this episode, go online to all the newspaper websites and submit their comments on the way the story of gohana has been reported in a very polite and decent manner....most stories at the bottom will have an option 'comment on the article'.....will take some time...but its worth it.....one way of improving our PR.

I tried commenting on news articles and other web-sites reporting the matter ... most of the time the 'comment' was sent to the editor for review and you know what happens after that
I am still waiting for any of comments to be printed.

Many members opted for taking the law-route ... which is perfect solution if everyone plays with rules - Police, Politics, judiciary. But will you play with rules if other parties go for "free-style"?
1. Police work under Political pressure. Any action which does not please political leaders lead to transfers/criticism.
2. Judiciary is pathetic in India. Cases langer for entire life time. The rules are bended to support certain section of society (all know very well which section).
3. Majority does not vote. The candidates are most of the time so pathetic that all should be rejected. Alcohol, money, fatwas, muscle-power, reservation are the tools for vote collection.

Sometime I wonder what is "Dalit" - person who does not have enough resources to make living. Most of the people in India (specially rural population) irrespective of their castes falls under this category. Why is the word being hijacked for a collection of "certain castes"?
Reason is simple - it extracts more sympathies.
What is "Harijan" = Hari+Jan ( The people of Lord ) - Who is not Harijan then? Why they captured this name.
What is wrong calling them with actual name "Chuda", "Chamar" etc etc? Why do they need to go for conversion? They can because they don't have any history to be proud of.

The common words like Harijan/Dalits were choosen to bring them under one umbrella and then use them as a tool for political gain. Nobody punishes Mayawati when she shouts - "Tilak, Taraju aur Talwar inko maro joote chaar" Isn't this provocation of kind and equivalent to inciting the mob?

Anyway the idea to flood newspapers with comments can work ... if you write what the editor like to see.

 

[rajendersingh]

gohana

dear all,
on 4th september there was recording of a programme on ndtv,the programme was in hindi...hum log. the topic was gohana .with their invitation i also reached there along with my wife. it was recorded in some studio in g k 1 new delhi.

when we reached there we could make out that it was by some fault that we have been called there.one could easily make out that it was the dalits who been called to give one side story,still we manage to settle down .the anchor of the programme was mr pankaj pachouri.

the programme was started with the sentence'' jataon ki panchayat ne jo gohana mein kia....... i objected to this very line...but the anchor was in no mood to listen to me..... it continued with all jat bashing...... fortunately there were around 4or 5 jats in gethering of about 100 odd ppl.and we did our best to tell them the story......we even had to give them in the language they understand ...... a stage came when one jat gentleman was asked to leave the studio..... but seeing our mood mr anchor cooled down.
very less was shown as far as we were concerend.the show was aired on same day at 10 p m

i have got no hasitation that it was all there to give bad name to jats .ndtv is all bent upon to play a partisan role in this episode.it has some ulterior motive behaind all this.what exactly is this ..i can't say... but its too bad and sad for jats....and jats should undersatand this, i feel this is the hightime we read writings on the wall.we should see our interests and not go by books.we better use our brain and see the enemy.its just there to give us the big kick.we can still fight it out if we stand united.

 

[rkumar]

dear all,
on 4th september there was recording of a programme on ndtv,the programme was in hindi...hum log. the topic was gohana .with their invitation i also reached there along with my wife. it was recorded in some studio in g k 1 new delhi.

when we reached there we could make out that it was by some fault that we have been called there.one could easily make out that it was the dalits who been called to give one side story,still we manage to settle down .the anchor of the programme was mr pankaj pachouri.

the programme was started with the sentence'' jataon ki panchayat ne jo gohana mein kia....... i objected to this very line...but the anchor was in no mood to listen to me..... it continued with all jat bashing...... fortunately there were around 4or 5 jats in gethering of about 100 odd ppl.and we did our best to tell them the story......we even had to give them in the language they understand ...... a stage came when one jat gentleman was asked to leave the studio..... but seeing our mood mr anchor cooled down.
very less was shown as far as we were concerend.the show was aired on same day at 10 p m

i have got no hasitation that it was all there to give bad name to jats .ndtv is all bent upon to play a partisan role in this episode.it has some ulterior motive behaind all this.what exactly is this ..i can't say... but its too bad and sad for jats....and jats should undersatand this, i feel this is the hightime we read writings on the wall.we should see our interests and not go by books.we better use our brain and see the enemy.its just there to give us the big kick.we can still fight it out if we stand united.

I have been many tims to NDTV studio for these recordings. Once I opposed the views of one of their invited Bengali Rajya Sabha MP and after that I was removed from their list. This channel is 100% Communist who are anti Jats. More than anything else, we need to join hands and creat a forum where from we can expose the motive of these channels. High time we launch an anti media movement in streets..May be we find out a channel who is anti NDTV and then we use them..

RK^2

 

[hamendra]

I have been many tims to NDTV studio for these recordings. Once I opposed the views of one of their invited Bengali Rajya Sabha MP and after that I was removed from their list. This channel is 100% Communist who are anti Jats. More than anything else, we need to join hands and creat a forum where from we can expose the motive of these channels. High time we launch an anti media movement in streets..May be we find out a channel who is anti NDTV and then we use them..

RK^2

To all Jats,

Please uncle jee,
Now this is the time to take some action against those channels. Now we all are ready to do what is required.