Hardwork includes physical efforts only or its beyond that

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ram6april said:
can i ask a question About SMART work........ is smart work is something like... someone work hard n do efforts to write a book.. n other comes in smart way n buy that n write his/her name on publications............

So i dont beleive only smart work in enough than hard work..... in my concern.. both need to go hand to hand.......... hard work need to go with smart work... BUT.. still no gurrantee for success........third thing also comes in Mantra of success...... DESTINY............ if someone say they dont beleive in this destiny thing.. i say so do i..... but u cant ignore it... wen it comes in real life n wen u see examples n practical part of that........

i have few examples of mixing all these THREE... may be few more things can come up......... but these 3 are important...... rest everyone have their own view........ i can come with example to prove sucess MANTRA need HARD WORK+ Smart work+ DEStiny..............

good luck.....

regards
Ram
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devdahiya said:
The term hard work associates itself with devotion in whatever you.Generally hard work pays.It is continuous pursuit without callousness.If undertaken relentlessly and purposefully;there is no way that rewards will not come its way.Any thing achieved through hard work is very satisfying and self assuring.


As far as Smart work is concerned,it is more related to mind.When you work hard in any venture with utmost devotion,there are chances that some people in the same environment(who are not used to work hard as much) feel threatened and try put one down by various dubious means,there by denying the very fruits of that hard work to the subject.....is that then smartness comes into play.Here smartness means: taking stock of the situation as to who is operating at what level towards thwarting the probable good results of that hard work and take all possible discrete actions to counter that propaganda/design,so that dues of hard work get delivered rightfully. In modern times hard work and smart work generally go hand in hand because there is cut throat ism all around.


Having said that it will be pertinent to mention here that those who believe in only smart work will meet the disappointment of their life sooner than later as it is near impossible to sustain oneself without the pure ingredient of hard work....and thats why some one has rightly said,and i quote," You can fool some of the people some of the times;and you can fool some of the people most of the times; but you can not fool all the people all the times."...unquote.
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Well Kaka and Ramlal Bhai... U both are elder to me so i assume you both have more knowledge and wisdom than me but still i wanna say that the smart work's definition u gave is not correct as per my views.
According to ur definition smart work is like putting "Made in Pakistans" stickers on german cars. That is not smart work. I have already mentioned what is smart work at least according to me. U may refer to that post again.

Again an example ...
Hard Work : Its traditional most of the times without stratagies and planning like maintaining a firm's account thru notebooks and work very hard, burn mid night oil.

Smart work : Find out what is new in market, can i do same work faster... ohh yeah y not to take help of a computer. Buy computer maintain same account in 1\10 of hard work's time.

Smart work = Hardwork + Smartness(making use of new and different ideas) + efficiency
 
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dkumars said:
I found this Article on Internet ... hope it will clear the definition and difference b/w the two. And please read the example that is really ineteresting :)


http://www.indusladies.com/forums/sundays-with-varalotti/8050-hard-work-vs-smart-work.html
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i heard about the same example during my first Sem. from one of our lecturers :)....and yes it explains the smart work in a very lucid manner

That 'extra effort' in essence is 'hard work'....as expressed by Deshwal Sir {with one real life example, which i also had observed many times (external factor of motivation) :D} makes clear the meaning of hard work, which Mr. Rajeev here questioned about

now making comparison of hard work and smart work is something else.....every work has its own worth and it appeals as per the situation....like during Kargil War, Hard Work (devotion, what Dev Sir exclaimed above) paid us the best deserved results....and that Sindhi's smartness at business was harldy noticed at that time....so its the situation/need that decides which work is better and at what time.

One more point of Dev Sir, that i would like to highlight again....."pure ingredient of hard work".....its absolutely true that its the basic ingredient for any successful life which enhances its own value with the next important thing i.e. smart work.....also the fact, survival without smart work is possible, but ignoring hard work can cease the life, can't be denied.

I'm really delighted with this healthy discussion, and would be pleased to find more if still any confusions arise with me or anybody else.

Thanks and Regards!!
Neelam :)
 
hi nice topic

:) if work is done with pressure it becomes hard work but if enjoyed n smartly done its a fun all the time i never want to do hard work but yes do enjoy what is smart n cherrishable working ........:)
 
mamtadg said:
:) if work is done with pressure it becomes hard work but if enjoyed n smartly done its a fun all the time i never want to do hard work but yes do enjoy what is smart n cherrishable working ........:)
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Mamta Dear, ...here resistance is not the boundation

Climbing mountain is also a difficult task....u need to put up all ur efforts to climb up high with the help of rope.....but as per ur understanding (my perception)....it reveals that one can reach at top of the same mountain by dropping onself down through parachute (now this won't be justified if some rules has to be followed which is common for all).....still u enjoy and feel cherished by perfoming such task as it is adventurous (nature of work also do a lot with the enjoyment level)

Smart work helps in minimising the efforts required in any job but that doesn't mean that one can totally keep aside the hard work

smart work is way to bring hard work in new package (but not possible always)

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Ram ram sir ji

smartjaatwe said:
I Agree With Your Word's
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Some of the Inspiring Quotes which tell not to give up in life so you can learn something from these Quotes.
"Never take some one for granted,Hold every person Close to your Heart because you might wake up one day and realize that you have lost a diamond while you were too busy collecting stones." Remember this always in life."
1) Never expect things to happen..struggle and make them happen. never expect yourself to be given a good value create a value of your own 2) If a drop of water falls in lake there is no identity.But if it falls on a leaf of lotus it shine like a pearl.so choose the best place where you would shine.. 3) Falling down is not defeat...defeat is when your refuse to get up... 4) Ship is always safe at shore... but is is not built for it.
 
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choudharyneelam said:
Mamta Dear, ...here resistance is not the boundation

Climbing mountain is also a difficult task....u need to put up all ur efforts to climb up high with the help of rope.....but as per ur understanding (my perception)....it reveals that one can reach at top of the same mountain by dropping onself down through parachute (now this won't be justified if some rules has to be followed which is common for all).....still u enjoy and feel cherished by perfoming such task as it is adventurous (nature of work also do a lot with the enjoyment level)

Smart work helps in minimising the efforts required in any job but that doesn't mean that one can totally keep aside the hard work

smart work is way to bring hard work in new package (but not possible always)

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I also want to say something about HW / SW.

1st of all it all depend on the person's capability i.e. how can he makes (turns) a hard work to smart work or a easy work to hard work.

Some time a easy task become hard due to a little mistake. And some time a hard task become easy due to a simple smartness.

Thats all.:) :) :) :) :)

"BHOOL CHOOK LENI DENI"
"KAM LIKHE KO JYADA SAMAJHNA"
 
Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by dragging day, in all the thousand small uncaring ways.

Sometimes your joy is the source of your smile, but sometimes your smile can be the source of your joy.

People only see what they are prepared to see.

Learn from the mistakes of others.
You can't live long enough to make them all yourself

The tongue weighs practically nothing,
But so few people can hold it.

God Gives every bird it's food,
But he does not throw it into it's nest.
 
Totaly agree with the last post. So very appropriate.
My idea of success and hard work philosphy are :-


  • U can have whatever u want, provided u want it hard enough
    • "Junoon" agar kissi cheez ka ho tau HW, SW, ....any kind of work just fall in place
    • No defeat is final untill u accept it
 
No smart work can come before you do the hard work to attain that smartness.

Simple example : When i started working , I use to take at least 50 times effort to do what I take these days!

Was i a fool back then or am i smart now ? Relative !

I might be much better than res t at that time but was nothing compared to waht I can do today. :)


Another example , pretty similar.

One of my senior colleagues gave me a petty work which i hated , but got to do it , so did it with all the pain! But that made me learn a lot of the nuisance that are generally involved.

PErfection is what I strive for always so I would say I would always be less smart than what I could.

Its ab abstract notion my friends, there aint anything called positive infinity. Similary there aint anything called smart work!

Let me try and substantiate.

Imagine a C++ code:( Sorry to all non programmers , i will try to keep things general )


Look at two codes below:

Code1:

int x = 2;
int y =4 ;

int temp;
temp = x;
x =y;
y = temp;


temp = y;
y = x;
x = y;


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code 2 :
int x = 2;
int y =4 ;

swap ( x , y );
swap ( x;y)


function swap(x,y)
{
int temp ;
temp =x ;
x=y;
y = temp;
}

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Now code 2 is much succint and most would agree that its smart way or working , but forgetting that the calcualtions are exactly the same , just we do it for our convenience.

the point i bring out is that when you think u r wroking smart , actually u r leveraging from the hard work u did at some point of time ! ;)


Hows that ?

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Not at all declining the merits of palnning etc , just trying to be devil's advocate to bring the discussion into some sort of moving mode !



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though when i asked one of my fundoo seniuor colleagues on merits of doing a CFA to survive in finance industry ( because to me that degree is faaltu ) , he said it is faaltu but when u r 30 + , ur processor ( mind ) gets slow and u need libraries to do the calculations fast for u !


So consider all the hard work as your libraries , lots of libraries , means u r working smart ! :)
 
anilsinghd said:
No smart work can come before you do the hard work to attain that smartness.

Simple example : When i started working , I use to take at least 50 times effort to do what I take these days!

Was i a fool back then or am i smart now ? Relative !

I might be much better than res t at that time but was nothing compared to waht I can do today. :)

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Imagine a C++ code:( Sorry to all non programmers , i will try to keep things general )
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dear anil... hav a luk at this quote.

"sum r born smart, sum achieve smartness nd sum have smartness thrust upon them"

hope tht clarifies nd sums up the entire fuss. ;) ... i still stand by my words tht smart work is the key to success. ;)

p.s. : on a lighter note... explaining c++ code to non-programmers is hard work :)
 
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Dear Anil,

What you have done here is only 'code optimization'... which may or may not be 'smart-work'. Alright, we can call the 'swap' function anytime we wish to swap the values of variables but suppose if variables x and y were to be swapped only once then you need not create the 'swap' function.

So this logic is not much of relevance in distinguishing between hard-work and smart-work.

Thanks:)!

anilsinghd said:
Look at two codes below:

Code1:

int x = 2;
int y =4 ;

int temp;
temp = x;
x =y;
y = temp;


temp = y;
y = x;
x = y;


========

code 2 :
int x = 2;
int y =4 ;

swap ( x , y );
swap ( x;y)


function swap(x,y)
{
int temp ;
temp =x ;
x=y;
y = temp;
}

=============

Now code 2 is much succint and most would agree that its smart way or working , but forgetting that the calcualtions are exactly the same , just we do it for our convenience.

the point i bring out is that when you think u r wroking smart , actually u r leveraging from the hard work u did at some point of time ! ;)


Hows that ?
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brahmtewatia said:
dear anil... hav a luk at this quote.

"sum r born smart, sum achieve smartness nd sum have smartness thrust upon them"

hope tht clarifies nd sums up the entire fuss. ;) ... i still stand by my words tht smart work is the key to success. ;)

p.s. : on a lighter note... explaining c++ code to non-programmers is hard work :)
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sumitsehrawat said:
Dear Anil,

What you have done here is only 'code optimization'... which may or may not be 'smart-work'. Alright, we can call the 'swap' function anytime we wish to swap the values of variables but suppose if variables x and y were to be swapped only once then you need not create the 'swap' function.

So this logic is not much of relevance in distinguishing between hard-work and smart-work.

Thanks:)!
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Hahaha ha ha

guys ! dont kill me !! I was just trying to be devils advocate to give the discussion some head start :)


See it is perception specific. I agree that some are born talented but still hard work is important , no shortcut to success ! :)
 
sumitsehrawat said:
Dear Anil,

What you have done here is only 'code optimization'... which may or may not be 'smart-work'. Alright, we can call the 'swap' function anytime we wish to swap the values of variables but suppose if variables x and y were to be swapped only once then you need not create the 'swap' function.

So this logic is not much of relevance in distinguishing between hard-work and smart-work.

Thanks:)!
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And Sumit , dont be case specific , still feel that was a good enough example.

I will try and produce something else.

this is waht my collegue told me!

He said he was chatting to his Gf when she said , they havea huge database and any additions to that are manual and she has to make changes at about 7 - 8 places.

Now he suggested her to use advances excel functions ! Now thats smart working but without knowledge of excel he would not have been in an position to help.

I am just trying to highlight the importance of the hard work and appreciate the inherent hard work that we have done/ or the work thats hidden when we think we are working smartly.

:)


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That's exactly my point Anil; we have to be case specific. In some cases we need to work smart and in some we got to work hard. And mostly, they both go together.

You have passed out from IIT ... I do not think anyone can come out-of-the-blue and crack IIT entrance exams without spending months/years understanding fundamental and complex concepts and practising them. That is hard-work. At the same time, I am sure you would have worked smart as well... for example forming a time-table .... distributing time according to the subject-importance and your level of understanding of the same. When to study what... for how long... from where... ?? .... I believe you wouldn't have thought just once about it and started all. You would have formed plans and then checked for their feasibility. They you would have prioritized - chosen one or perhaps a combination of some. When you strategize (if that's some word) these things then you do smart-work. These key decisions decide how you are going to structure your plan. That constitutes smart-work. Hard-work is how you implement your plan.

Please do not relate these terms with the amount of time spent on a particular task. Please do not go by the literal meaning of the words 'smart' and 'hard'. Hard-work is implementing plans/ideas... smart-work is strategising/prioritizing plans/ideas.

In the example below, the suggestion of using advanced excel functions ...I believe it was a piece of smart-work. When she implemented... that was neither hard-work nor smart-work...that was automation:).

P.S.: This is my take on 'hard-work' and 'smart-work'.

anilsinghd said:
And Sumit , dont be case specific , still feel that was a good enough example.

He said he was chatting to his Gf when she said , they havea huge database and any additions to that are manual and she has to make changes at about 7 - 8 places.

Now he suggested her to use advances excel functions ! Now thats smart working but without knowledge of excel he would not have been in an position to help.

I am just trying to highlight the importance of the hard work and appreciate the inherent hard work that we have done/ or the work thats hidden when we think we are working smartly.
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Correct to the point

sumitsehrawat said:
Hard-work is implementing plans/ideas... smart-work is strategising/prioritizing plans/ideas.
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I think that's sufficient to explain your opinion about the two (HW and SW)

Rest, all others are having healthy flow of opinions.....and best is the....expression of thoughts through notable quotes (as presented in the last few posts)

Good sharing by All :)
 
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