Help Needed --> Brother has Asthma problem

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satpal

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Friends,
My elder brother, 33 years old, is working in Indian Air Force since last 14 years. He is a regular volleyball player in IAF team and is very healthy and fit till recently. He was posted at Madras, Banglore, Pune during his earlier years in IAF and now at Belgaum. During his tenures at those southern cities he got allergies like cold/sneezing etc. He ignored those thinking they are now and then short term problems.

About 2 years back he consulted a doctor and doctor confirmed that he has some Asthma symptoms. He started taking some preventive medicines. Since last 6 months he is really facing problems and Asthma becoming more active.
He is taking preventive medicines regularly as well inhaler in case of sudden breathing problem. Those asthma medicines that he buys from Indian medical stores seems not curing his asthma.
As I am in USA, he asked me if I could find better asthma medicine for him. So I am browsing internet for last one month and found following two medicines with good patients/customer reviews that can control Asthma:
1. Advair
2. Singulair
But these medicine need doctor prescription and not available at pharmacy counters.

I need your help to seek:

1. Any better medicine that are available at counter without doctor prescription in USA.
2. Any doctor here at Jatland who can provide suggestions & prescriptions for better medicine such that I can arrange those medicine for my brother.
3. Any suggestion from any Jatland member who had experienced Asthma and gets cured?
4. Please tell me any good doctor/hospital in India where my brother can get better treatment.

I would really apprecite for any other advice that can help my brother anyway.

Best Regards
Satpal Dalal
 
Dalal Sahab,

Kya ne dawaiee bujho so.... Patoon ( leaves) main panee mat do... jadd main do...

aapna ek family member ke ho gaya tha... dhakkey kha kha ke cheekh liya tha.. but now 95 % recovered 'cause of Yoga..

Aasthma is an allergy... kisi se bhi ho ja... cold se, dust se, grass se , smoke se, amrican grass se ( jo maharastra or karnatka main kafee hai...same jo wheat main bhi apney aap ug jata hai.which came to India as an import of wheat from amrika ) whatever in atmosphere...anything...

Yoga ki 2 sitting ki thee ( Rs.80 charged per sitting by yoga instructor... + Rs.60/- ka taambey ka jal-naatee ka lota liya tha)

JAL-Nettee kriya.. then my this candidate practice that at home.. TWICE A WEEK... Touch wood ..last 2 1/2 yrs. se 95% recovery hai.. No inhaler required as of now.

Baki bhai koi medicine dila le..iska ilaaz nahi kuch.... log boltey hain..dama dum ke saath hi jata hai...young age hai to yoga is best...

sab medicine main steroid hai..kisi main quantity kaam hai..kisi main jyaada..chaye vo padha likha registered doctor prescribe kare.. ya fir koi modda ( baba)de..

aapke bhai ki young age hai... Yoga is best ... usee main kaam bandhaaga !!

Try to find out real yoga center ( instructor) nearby to your brother location..otherwise
For more details can write me on my mail id. I'll surely reply u with contact details as I don't have right now. ( in next 3-4 days )

Bhai tareeka bata diya hai... baki aapki aapne sharddha.
 
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Dear Mr. Dalal,

I think as Mr. Uday has suggested, Yoga probably may help. I am neither a doctor nor expert on Asthama. All I can say is probably a doctor prescribing these drugs without seeing a patient may not be possible in this country, because of the liability reasons. Some one whom you know personally may help you in this case. Good thing that you posted your information on this site. May be some one in the community in medical profession can help.

We pray to God Almighty that your brother recovers soonest from this problem.
 
The medicine available here for asthma / allergy are no different from India except obviously the price. Here people also take allergy shots, which you can get from Patel Institute in Delhi near North Campus. It’s better to take allergy shots when you know what kind of allergy you have as in which are the things from which you are allergic. Now that being said what everybody else said before me is 100% right. There is no cure whatsoever for Asthma.

I know many people who benefited from the fish medicine in Hyderabad but that also seems to be temporary as in you have to go every year to that place.

I recommend 3 things based on NO medical knowledge but my experience:

Yoga is definitely the best. There are several kinds of Yoga: you should send him to Haridawar where Swami Ramdev from Arya samaj himself teaches. He is a big specialist in all these things. You can also get his CD / DVD in store. If you need more details, let me know. As is usual with our Arya samaji’s its free of cost. Swami ji says that Cold drinks like Coke r good for cleaning toilets n not for drinking. Many foreign countries have invited him and he has refused saying that first he will cure Indians than he will think about other countries.

Second is trying Homeopathic. This method totally depends upon the doctor i.e. if the medicine prescribed is accurate it gives awesome results. However, this matching is the most difficult part. Your brother can do more research about this.

Acupressure lately is becoming popular and seems to give some relief to Asthmatic patient.

For winters ask your brother to buy a humidifier (machine which adds moisture in the room). We have dry winters in India and they affect asthmatic patient a lot. No cold things for him. Refrigerated items like water, ice cream, cold drinks should be banned.

I guess that’s all I know. Tell him that in this case prevention is the best cure and not to worry too much about this. 30% of the population has one or the other kind of bronchitis or asthma…even our Big B

Cheers
Abhi..
 
Satpal,
First thing I would reccomend is find out what your brother is allergic to. That is most important.
There is one test avaialable for this, I do not remember the name, but should be available in India, just ask any doctor, they inject 40 different small doses of solutions in arm to find out what allergies you react to.
Once he know what he is allergic to
1. Avoid that
2. Jal Neti as mentioned by Uday is very effective in curing all nasal allergies. It is easy to do and cure other things as a side product, like common cold etc. here are few link for your ref, but you do not have to buy pot from them, buy it in India for less then Rs 50.
http://www.bytheplanet.com/Products/Yoga/neti/Netipot.htm
http://www.tarayoga.net/neti/
You can just google for "jal neti yoga" to get more info
3.Advair etc is all contains steoroids, and need to be taken for long and you need to keep incresing the dose.
4. Yoga,
5. Restrain from excessive excercise, as it may activate ashtham attack, so he need to know how much is his limit

I had the similar situation about 3-4 years back, I started taking Advair. As per my physician. I stopped advair after a month or so, After that I started Jal Neti (I am not regular though, which I should be), But still it is very effective.
You can contact me, in case you need more info.
 
“As I am in USA, he asked me if I could find better asthma medicine for him. So I am browsing Internet for last one month and found following two medicines with good patients/customer reviews that can control Asthma”

I get scared when I read statements like these. Of the statements listed, the one I would endorse without any hesitation is the last one, “Find good doctor/hospital in India.” I am sorry Satpal Bhai, and please pardon me for being straightforward because, “All that wheezes is not asthma.” You must remember that these days any idiot who can type and has access to the Internet can post completely inaccurate, and unapproved information on the Internet. You should take every piece of information from the Internet with a grain of salt, unless it is a reputable source, for example information on a government or teaching institution site is usually reviewed by several levels of renowned clinicians before getting posted on a public site. While I am not trying to induce fear, the diagnosis of asthma should not be taken lightly. It is a serious and most often life threatening condition especially acute asthma. It is one thing to seek helpful hints through a public forum for a common ailment such as a simple cold, but the management of a serious medical condition should really be left to the credentialed physician with expertise in that area. Your brother seems to have acquired occupational asthma, which could have been caused by any one of the chemical s from the huge list of allergens detailed below. Asthma is simply the clinical manifestation of an underlying long-term pathology, or respiratory problem. Among others, some of them are: Pulmonary Emboli, Cardiac pathology, Obstruction of Airways; Carcinoid (cancer) Syndrome; Idiopathic Hyperventilation Syndrome; Laryngeal Tracheal Obstruction (Croup) and Kartageners Syndrome.

The evaluation or diagnosis should be based on patient's medical history, physical examination, pulmonary function tests, and laboratory test results, which include: Accurate spirometry Allergy testing (skin testing, in vitro specific immunoglobulin E [IgE] antibody testing) Chest radiography, to exclude alternative diagnosis; Bronchial provocation testing if spirometry is normal or near normal; Sinus x-rays or computed tomography (CT) scan; Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD) evaluation; Complete blood count (CBC) with eosinophils, total IgE, sputum exam.

Some thoughts on causation of Asthma:

Genetics: One risk factor for asthma is a condition called atopy, which is essentially a predisposition to be allergic to things. (Atopy is believed to be present in around 20% to 40% of humans). The evidence is quite clear that heredity is partially responsible for a person having atopy. In fact, progress has been made in recent years in identifying where on the chromosomes some of the genes responsible for atopy might be located.

What is an allergic reaction?

Normally, the immune system functions as the body's defense against invading agents such as bacteria and viruses. In most allergic reactions, however, the immune system is responding to a false alarm. When an allergic person first comes into contact with an allergen, the immune system treats the allergen as an invader and mobilizes to attack. The immune system does this by generating large amounts of a type of antibody (a disease-fighting protein) called immunoglobin E, or IgE. Each IgE antibody is specific for one particular allergenic (allergy-producing) substance. In the case of pollen allergy, the antibody is specific for each type of pollen: one type of antibody may be produced to react against oak pollen and another against ragweed pollen, for example. These IgE molecules are special because IgE is the only class of antibody that attaches tightly to the body's mast cells, which are tissue cells, and to basophils, which are blood cells. When the allergen next encounters its specific IgE, it attaches to the antibody like a key fitting into a lock, signaling the cell to which the IgE is attached to release (and in some cases to produce) powerful inflammatory chemicals like histamine, cytokines, and leukotrienes. These chemicals act on tissues in various parts of the body, such as the respiratory system, and cause the symptoms of allergy. Some people with allergy develop asthma. The symptoms of asthma include coughing, wheezing, and shortness of breath due to a narrowing of the bronchial passages (airways) in the lungs, and to excess mucus production and inflammation.

Occupational asthma: Occupational asthma is caused by workers breathing in substances at work that produce a hypersensitive state in the airways - the small tubes that carry air in and out of the lungs - and trigger a subsequent response in them. Not everyone who becomes sensitized goes on to get the clinical disease but once the lungs become hypersensitive further exposure to the substance, even at quite low levels, may provoke an attack.

List of substances that can cause occupational asthma:

Azodicarbonamide: Used in the expansion of polymers in the rubber and plastics industries

Castor bean dust: Castor oil is used in paint, varnish, hydraulic fluids, printing inks, nylon, plastics and cosmetics and hair oils

Cephalosporins: Antibiotics similar to penicillin

Chloramine-T: A disinfectant with antiviral, bactericidal and fungicidal properties. Highly reactive with proteins

Chloroplatinates and other halogenoplatinates: Platinum salts produced during the refining of platinum metal and the manufacture of catalysts and electrodes

Chromium (VI) compounds: Present in stainless steel welding fume and cement and used in electroplating

Cobalt (metal and compounds): Present in the hard metal production and diamond polishing industries

Diazonium salts: Used in the manufacture of dyes, photocopier paper and fluorine polymer production

Egg proteins: From the processing of egg products or the use of eggs in glazing bakery products

Ethylenediamine: A corrosive chemical with an irritating vapor used in the printed circuit board and metal finishing industries. Also used in epoxy coatings and resins and in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals

Glutaraldehyde: A chemical disinfectant and biocide used as a cold sterilant of medical and surgical instruments. Also used in the oil and gas industry for the inhibition of corrosion causing bacteria

Isocyanates: Widely used in manufacture of polyurethane foams, plastics, coatings, varnish, two-pack paints and adhesives

Latex : Natural rubber latex is from the Hevea braziliensis tree. Health care workers are particularly susceptible through the use of latex gloves.

Methyltetrahydrophthalic anhydride: Used in the production of epoxy resins used in the manufacture of special application plastics

Nickel sulphate: Used in the electroplating industry and the production of hard metal

Penicillins: A large group of natural or semisynthetic antibiotics

Persulphates: Strong oxidizing agents used to enhance the action of peroxide hair bleaches

Phthalic anhydride: Used in the manufacture of plasticisers, resins, dyes, pesticides and pharmaceuticals

Piperazine: Used in the manufacture of dewormers in veterinary and human medicine; the manufacture of hot melt adhesives; and the manufacture of a corrosion inhibitor for the offshore oil industry

Subtilisins: Enzymes used in the manufacture of detergents and animal feeds. Also food & leather processing

Tetrachlorophthalic anhydride: Used in production of epoxy resins for manufacture of plastics, paints and electronic components

Trimellitic anhydride: Used in production of plasticisers, wire enamels, surface coatings and wall and floor coverings.

Treatment of Asthma:

Medications:Effective medications that can be prescribed by a physician include antihistamines and topical nasal steroids--either of which can be used alone or in combination. Many effective antihistamines and decongestants also are available without a prescription, however, these medications should only be used after a proper evaluation and through physician’s guidance.

Immunotherapy: Immunotherapy, or a series of allergy shots, is the only available treatment that has a chance of reducing the allergy symptoms over a longer period of time. Patients receive subcutaneous (under the skin) injections of increasing concentrations of the allergen(s) to which they are sensitive. These injections reduce the amount of IgE antibodies in the blood and cause the body to make a protective antibody called IgG. Many patients with allergic rhinitis will have a significant reduction in their hay fever symptoms and in their need for medication within 12 months of starting immunotherapy. Patients who benefit from immunotherapy may continue it for three years and then consider stopping. Although many patients are able to stop the injections with good, long-term results, some do get worse after immunotherapy is stopped. As better allergens for immunotherapy are produced, this technique will become an even more effective treatment.
 
Hi everybody,
I give due regards to all the advise that has been given so far but there are a few aspects that need to be kept in mind before venturing out for anti-asthma medications.
1. The asthma is this patients case seems to be arising from some allergic stimulus. It is of utmost importane to establish a definate cause before one ventures out for a drug hunt. Allergic asthmas are not treated in the same way as are the inherent ones.
2. The patient needs a thorough work up as far as tests are concerned. In this case i would suggest apart from the routine ones are... Absolute eosinophil cout(AEC) complete blood count with differentials, peripheral blood smear(PBF)
3. I would like to stress the fact that army medical services does not give the best care(Pls do not make this a point of contention) So Kindly get a good second opinion. If you feel upto it i could definately suggest some good one in Haryana
4. Singulair and the drugs of this class are meant for EXERCISE INDUCED ASTHMA and best relieve symptoms in this case. So please think before your buying spree.
5. if this is a case of exercise indued asthma.....inhaled steroids might help but PEASE GET A SECOND OPINION!
I have tried to give you a technical opinion and not the routine quackrey. And this is an opinin based on just what i gathered from the brief clinical description......Kindly exercise your best judgement!
 
Hi Satpal,

I think people are right here that there is no cure for asthma, but certainly precaution can help a lot in this matter and it is said, precaution is better than cure. I have asthma since 6-7 years, i am allergic to dust/pollution...in last 6-7 years i have tried different kind of medicines (allopathic, homeopathy, ayurvedic) and therapies...even yoga also (but i wasn't regular on this..) and finally i can say that…..first of all get out of psychological hurdle and one should feel healthy from inside….try deep breathing, prayanaam in the morning…and use inhaler if situation is really out of control…I really thank the person who invented inhaler...because inhaler doesn’t mix with blood so its lot better in comparison to cap/tablets.
Also ask ur bro to identify his allergy then try to avoid that if possible….because I did not problem as long as I stay in UK or gaon…..but the moment I go to Pune or delhi…things get little tough for me…
That’s it from me…Hope it helps….All the best!!

Live life king size!!
Khushiram
 
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Some ayurvedic medicines are toxic, claims US study

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1154843,0050.htm
A study by the Harvard Medical School on Indian ayurvedic medicines sold in the US says most of these have been found to contain dangerous levels of lead, mercury and arsenic.

Fourteen of 70 different ayurvedic medicines bought from South Asian grocery stores in the Boston area had "potentially harmful levels of lead, mercury and/or arsenic", says the study published in the Journal of American Medical Association.

"Users of ayurvedic medicine may be at risk for heavy metal toxicity, and testing of ayurvedic herbal medicine products for toxic heavy metals should be mandatory," say the authors of the study, Dr Robert B Saper, Dr Stefanos N Kales and five others.

The list of manufacturers some of whose products have failed the test in varying degrees reads like a who's who of Indian ayurvedic industry: Baidyanath, Navjeevan, Zandu, Dabur, Himalaya and Unjha Ayuredic Pharmacy.

According to details provided by Dr Kales to the Hindustan Times, the most alarming levels of toxicity have been found in three products from the Baidyanath stable: Mahayograj Guggulu with silver and Makardhwaj, Swarna Mahayograj Guggulu with gold, and Mahalaksmi Vilas Ras with gold.

The other medicines with high toxicity included: Unjha's Navratna Rasa and Navjeevan's Bala Sogathi. Lead toxicity in relatively smaller doses was found in Zandu's Maha Sudarshan Churna and Bala Guti, Dabur's Maha Sudarshan Churna, Himalaya's Karela, Harinarayan Pharmacy's Gesari, and Jalaram's Bal Chamcha, and Syncom's Shilajit.

The Harvard team of researchers bought the ayurvedic medicines from some 30 South Asian stores in the Boston area between April 25 and October 24 last year and conducted extensive tests.

The study has measured concentrations of lead, mercury and arsenic in each of the samples by x-ray fluorescence spectroscopy. "If taken as recommended by the manufacturers, each of these 14 could result in heavy metal intakes above published regulatory standards," it said and proposed mandatory US testing of all imported dietary supplements for toxic metals.
 
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