Higher Education in Canada and USA

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Respected Dr. Birbal Singh,
It was nice to see your post for guiding students who want to pursue higher education in the US and Canada. I am sure the youth in our community will benefit seeking advice from an educated and successful person of your stature.

I just wanted to share my experience about higher education in USA. I have been in USA for a little over 3 years now and came here to do my MS in Computer Science though I wanted to go in for MBA. Since everyone in the Indian community wants their children to be either doctors or engineers, I also ended up getting my B.Tech. in Electrical Engineering. The educational credentials of a candidate do matter to some extent but graduating in second or third division doesnt mean a person is not intelligent. I myself graduated in second division. I personally think everyone is intelligent as it eventually comes down to how much hard work and focus you put into your career. " NO PAIN, NO GAIN". I graduated with a GPA of 3.76 in my MS. When I compare my Masters and Bachelors, I think what had changed in me was my outlook towards my life. Ofcourse the quality of education is much higher and you do get real hands on experience and I treated my education like a full time job. I always wanted to come to US to find out what's so great about this country and higher education was one of the means of turning my dream into reality. Growing up as a kid I used to see all my cousins and family members who would visit and was amazed to see how successful they all were. As they say "Seeing is Believing". Now since I have seen what US is all about, I can sum up the success of all my family members in just two words "HARD WORK". Not that people in India dont work hard. People in India work very hard too but then how many of them get to the enjoy the quality of life that people enjoy in US......US is a land of opportunities and you then get a chance to exercise those opportunities. People who come from India or from anywhere to US, its like a do or die situation. Either you perform or go home. I have always been a pressure guy. I perform well under pressure and that brings out the best in me. Now I work for the state in Pennsylvania and also teach part time at a University in the Department of Computer Science. As a kid teaching was the last profession I ever imagined seeing myself into and now here I am teaching....... Life is full of all sorts of twists and turns and the best way to over come these challenges is by taking on them and putting in all your "HARD WORK". Ofcourse you need mentors who guide you through the right paths in facing all those challenges. I just want to thank my fufaji Late Sh. R.S. Sangwan, my cousins Raghu and Shailey and my parents and family for always being there for me and guiding me through the right paths.

So, in conclusion, I reiterate that one should just put in their hard work in whatever field they want to pursue their career in and stay focused and never give up!
 
Hello Dr. Birbal,

I am an Electrical Engg. graduated from University of Roorkee (Now IIT-R) with 71% marks. I had over 4 years of work-ex in MNC's like Motorola and currently working with ST MIcro-electronics, Noida.
I have plans for migrating to canada in future. Can you please let me know, what are the prospects of getting job there.
Since i had already made business trips to North America earlier. Will that help me in obtaining work-permits.

warm regards,
Nakul
 
Nakul,

If you are interested in immigrating to Canada, you already meet the requirements and all you need is to apply for immigration status and wait for the processing of application ( more than two years these days with heavy backlog). As I have written on earlier posts there are several advantages when you come as an immigrant. The most important is the free Canadian health care. Others are access to low cost higher edcation (tuition fees for citizens/immigrants are lot lower), rights to get student loans and/or business start up loans, and preferential treatment for job openings.

Having visited USA/Canada gives one no advantage. You can find all the application details from www.gc.ca the govt of Canada website (details in earlier posts on this topic).

Another way is to come as student first, but these days the emphasis is on Ph.D. when it comes to financial aid for foreign students. It is very competitive and not a good idea if one is really not interested in Ph.D.

I know lot of Indians (mostly Jat Sikhs) who get around the long processing time by coming to Canada to get married to a Canadian citizen/immigrant. But that is too much of a complex topic to be discussed in a short reply here.

In your case I feel the immigration application seems to be the best option.

Good luck.

Birbal Singh
 
hi, I am Achal Singh from noida UP, Mechanical Engineer 1994 passout runing a small engineering work shop. Shortly, Purchasing a CNC VMC for dies, moulds and fixtures.Also , done many projects Of TOLL BOOTHS and PROTECTION BARRIERS in india.Looking forward for some development projects/Topics for study while in india. Can you provide design calculations for Space frame structures.

Regard's
ACHAL SINGH
 
Neha,

With your excellent academic background (Gold Medallist) and being a female interested in raising a family, I would suggest a Ph.D. followed by a Tenure Track faculty position to be the best option. Georgia Tech is one of the best universities in USA and since you are already living in the area, I think you will be able to get admission and full funding with a decent GRE score and personal meetings with the graduate coordinator and few professors. I am suggesting this route because I believe once you have a reasonable income, quality of life is more important than making some more money. The demand for Ph.D.s in finance is very good and is expected to remain strong for some time to come. Of course, you can do Ph.D. in Finance and join industry to make lot more money but I do not think that is worth it (though many may disagree with me).

Once you have decided to have children I believe you should make your future choices taking their life in consideration. It is ok to take little longer to complete your Ph.D. as long as you are doing your best to raise the kids right way. You have more flexibility in the academic side as compared to industrial side. Now one may say that there are many stressed up professors, but that is usually their own creation.

I suggest you meet few profs at Georgia Tech and other universities in commuting distance after preparing a good personal portfolio of your credentials. Also, you do not have to limit to Ph.D. in Finance as you may find some prof in other area who you like to work with. A good Ph.D. supervisor is very important and you have the advantage of living in the area, so do some research about the person before meeting him/her.

I hope it helps. Feel free to contact me anytime you need.




Neha & Prashant Sogarwal (Sep 01, 2004 10:12 p.m.):
Hello Balbir Singh ji,
I would like to ask what do u suggest for me to do MBA or PHD or MIS (Masters in Information science).
I did my PGDBM (IT & Finance) from India(Delhi) , finished it in August 2003, and was the Gold medalist.
I mmediately after which I got married & came to US, so I have absolutely no work experience in MBA finance field.
But after coming here, I cleared a few IBM certfication, got my H1 Visa, and worked for 6 months as a database administrator.
I am at home now until November , as we are awaiting our first child very soon.

The dilemma is there at not many openings coming up in my city for the technology i am skilled in, and mostly are for greencard holders or citizens.
Instead of wasting time, job hunting, I would like to start studying here.
I was wondering if I will be able to further my studies as a PHd student in Finance, as i have no experince in finance, just my knowledge.
Or should i go for MBA finance once again.

Many people suggest MIs cource, but my heart is actually in MBA , not in computers. the jobs are there though in computers.
My family has lots of professors and principals, i think thats why i am inclined towards Phd, the only thing is it will take another 4 years and the tution costs are also expensive.
I want to apply in georgia state university or georgia tech for furthering my studies,as these rae the only ones in Atlanta.
What do u suggest , will i be able to get admission in Phd or I have to repeat my MBA here or do MIS. Please help me decide
I am just 22 yeasr old, so i want to make the right decision, that i dont regret later on, and do something that i enjoy doing.

Regards
Neha
 
Achal,

Since you are in New Delhi area, I think it would be a good idea to talk to some prof. at IIT Delhi to get your work done. There are few IITD students on this site and they should be able to tell who is the best person to talk to. These days with all kind of Finite Element packages available in all universities, you should be able to find people in Delhi to do your design calculations. Let me know if you can't find any one.

achal singh (Sep 02, 2004 02:08 a.m.):
hi, I am Achal Singh from noida UP, Mechanical Engineer 1994 passout runing a small engineering work shop. Shortly, Purchasing a CNC VMC for dies, moulds and fixtures.Also , done many projects Of TOLL BOOTHS and PROTECTION BARRIERS in india.Looking forward for some development projects/Topics for study while in india. Can you provide design calculations for Space frame structures.

Regard's
ACHAL SINGH
 
Neha,

You have the advantage of living in Atlanta. In a field like finance, the issue is not how many undergraduate courses you took in finance but how smart you are. Just last month one of our best friend's daughter finished her Ph.D. in Materials Engineering from Stanford and now she is working for Fred Alger (a well known firm on the Wall Street) without an MBA or Finance. I am sure you are a very smart girl (otherwise you would'nt be top of your class), so just go though the recent publications of professors you like at Georgia Tech. and Georgia State, and if you like some and think you can contribute meaningfully, just go to the prof and offer to volunteer for a couple of months. About 30 years ago my wife was in a similar situation with just a B.A. from Rajasthan. Today she is a Director in provincial govt. (third highest civil service position).

So, just do not stop after inquiries. Your goal should be to join Ph.D. program in Sept. 2005. To do that prepare well for GRE and get a good score and simultaneously do the search for a suitable prof as I suggest. Do not hesitate to talk to current Ph.D. students even though you are not a student. If you are not working then make effective use of your time to reach your goal. Always maintain high spirits as the results will follow if you maintain determined effort.

In another example, one of my friend who did his Ph.D. from Purdue many years ago got married midway through his Ph.D. and brought his young wife to Purdue. She followed the same strategy to complete her Ph.D. At present he is a Professor of Industrial Engineering and she is the Vice-President and Provost of the University of South Florida (Dr. and Mrs. Dr. Khator).

good luck.

Birbal Singh
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (Sep 02, 2004 07:11 a.m.):
Achal,

Since you are in New Delhi area, I think it would be a good idea to talk to some prof. at IIT Delhi to get your work done. There are few IITD students on this site and they should be able to tell who is the best person to talk to. These days with all kind of Finite Element packages available in all universities, you should be able to find people in Delhi to do your design calculations. Let me know if you can't find any one.

achal singh (Sep 02, 2004 02:08 a.m.):
hi, I am Achal Singh from noida UP, Mechanical Engineer 1994 passout runing a small engineering work shop. Shortly, Purchasing a CNC VMC for dies, moulds and fixtures.Also , done many projects Of TOLL BOOTHS and PROTECTION BARRIERS in india.Looking forward for some development projects/Topics for study while in india. Can you provide design calculations for Space frame structures.

Regard's
ACHAL SINGH

Sir,
Thanks for reply to my request. I being a production man for last 10 years , is keen to study some
a) Development projects / Topics
b) Advancement in production shop / Machine shop technology
c) We are fabricating Alumininum structures / Door / windows here by conventional method of cleats etc.
d) Some study material for CNC milling m/c & software for Moulds , Dies & Fixtures.
e) Design of space frame structure , drawing & fabrication details

I will appeciate if you can send some of the details above & educate us.

Regards
Achal Singh
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (Sep 02, 2004 07:11 a.m.):
Achal,

Since you are in New Delhi area, I think it would be a good idea to talk to some prof. at IIT Delhi to get your work done. There are few IITD students on this site and they should be able to tell who is the best person to talk to. These days with all kind of Finite Element packages available in all universities, you should be able to find people in Delhi to do your design calculations. Let me know if you can't find any one.

achal singh (Sep 02, 2004 02:08 a.m.):
hi, I am Achal Singh from noida UP, Mechanical Engineer 1994 passout runing a small engineering work shop. Shortly, Purchasing a CNC VMC for dies, moulds and fixtures.Also , done many projects Of TOLL BOOTHS and PROTECTION BARRIERS in india.Looking forward for some development projects/Topics for study while in india. Can you provide design calculations for Space frame structures.

Regard's
ACHAL SINGH

Sir,
Thanks for reply to my request. I being a production man for last 10 years , is keen to study some
a) Development projects / Topics
b) Advancement in production shop / Machine shop technology
c) We are fabricating Alumininum structures / Door / windows here by conventional method of cheats etc.
d) Some study material for CNC milling m/c & software for Moulds , Dies & Fixtures.
e) Design of space frame structure , drawing & fabrication details

I will appreciate if you can send some of the details above & educate us.

Regards
Achal Singh
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (Sep 02, 2004 07:11 a.m.):
Achal,

Since you are in New Delhi area, I think it would be a good idea to talk to some prof. at IIT Delhi to get your work done. There are few IITD students on this site and they should be able to tell who is the best person to talk to. These days with all kind of Finite Element packages available in all universities, you should be able to find people in Delhi to do your design calculations. Let me know if you can't find any one.

achal singh (Sep 02, 2004 02:08 a.m.):
hi, I am Achal Singh from noida UP, Mechanical Engineer 1994 passout runing a small engineering work shop. Shortly, Purchasing a CNC VMC for dies, moulds and fixtures.Also , done many projects Of TOLL BOOTHS and PROTECTION BARRIERS in india.Looking forward for some development projects/Topics for study while in india. Can you provide design calculations for Space frame structures.

Regard's
ACHAL SINGH

Sir,
Thanks for reply to my request. I being a production man for last 10 years , is keen to study some
a) Development projects / Topics
b) Advancement in production shop / Machine shop technology
c) We are fabricating Alumininum structures / Door / windows here by conventional method of cheats etc.
d) Some study material for CNC milling m/c & software for Moulds , Dies & Fixtures.
e) Design of space frame structure , drawing & fabrication details

I will appreciate if you can send some of the details above & educate us.

Regards
Achal Singh
 
Achal,

Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), probably the best known engineering school in the world has put a large number of courses on the web through their site http://ocw.mit.edu/

You should look at the site and may find lot of useful information.
 
Birbal Ji,

Namestay,

I am doing course of C.A. & at present in
C.A.(Final).I want to know about the job
prospect for a C.A. in Canada.

Thanks.
 
Sandeep,

The best qualified person on this site to provide guidance about C.A. in Canada in my opinion is Shri Ravi Chaudhary who also runs the Jat History group. He has been a C.A. in India, England and now in Canada running his own accounting firm. I also know he has helped many Jats and non-Jats in Toronto, so I suggest you contact him.

Good luck.
 
wat bout summer projects ...

Dear sir,
i am naresh mehta 3rd yr, btech mech engg...basically it is dual degree (btech + mtech(intelligent manufacturing))... IIT madras... cgpa is 8/10...and have very good credentials in sports and management.... coordinating some events in the annual mega cultural festival..., also won some programming contests in annual techfest of iit madras!... (can send proper resume if it is needed!)
basically the problem is that i'm in dual degree , so basically if i pursue higher study , it'll be for ph.d (US hopefully)...n not MS...,or should i do MS again..as some ppl think it is better!
then sir, i would also like to know how to apply for summer projects in western univ.... now again some ppl say that we should rather do practical training of core issues in industries....rather than doing projects abroad... though i personally feel it is better to have exposure of the cool US univ.s
sir please do the needful. i shall be really thankful to you.
naresh mehta
"naresh_iit@hotmail.com"
"naresh.mehtaiit@gmail.com"

Dr. Birbal Singh (Oct 20, 2003 08:44 a.m.):
Bhuvan,

For those who want to pursue an MBA it is valuable to obtain a couple of experience in a reputed company like Tatas. However, as you rightfully stated MBA in USA is fairly expensive.

For those who want to pursue Ph.D., it is better to complete it as soon as possible because whether you become an assistant professor or join industrial sector, it will be mainly based on your Ph.D. only. Also, if you are admitted to a Ph.D. program you will definitely be fully financed.

You are in a fortunate situation as you already have a position in a highly reputed company. So I would suggest that you accept your job but apply for Ph.D. in the best schools in the field such as Purdue, Georgia Tech., University of Michigan, University of Wisconsin, and University of California Berkeley. Because you have a good job offer, I am saying it is worth going for the top schools only.

I also suggest that you make an effort to publish your M.Tech. work as it will help greatly in getting funding.

Another option is work a couple of years in Tatas and try your best to get into IIM as the reputation of IIM is as good as that of any top US business chools. But I think you will get into Ph.D. anyway.

Good luck.
Birbal Singh
 
wat bout summer projects ...

Naresh,

You have several options but first you have to decide the direction you would like to pursue in the future.

If you like academic life or industrial research then Ph.D. is a good idea, and the fact that you are in a dual program gives you an edge over applicants with B.Tech. If you can publish a paper or two out of your M.Tech. research, it will increase your chances of getting funding substantially. Many American Universities provide a safegaurd for graduate students by giving them another M.S. in case they do not succeed in the Ph.D. candidacy/qualifying examination, but to join another M.S. program after M.Tech. is not a good idea.

If you want to do an MBA, I would suggest making an all out effort for IIM. If you succeed it will be great otherwise you look at other options.

You (and many students in India) seem to have a misconception about "cool" US universities. There is nothing cool about the life of a research assistant in North America. It is shear hard work in hope for a better future. If your family has lots of money you can come as a tourist any time but there is not much fun for a student working in some prof's lab.

However, I have seen profs and students coming from India for presentation of paper at conferences, and that is certainly enjoyable. From your department, I met Prof. Ramesh Babu and couple of his students in Houston in the last Waterjet Conference. So, I would suggest you work with some prof to publish a paper.

Good luck.

Birbal Singh
 
wat bout summer projects ...

Sir
It was really nice to gain invaluable advice from u. I fully understand that it 's all about hard work n PhD ....wat i meant by cool was , the encouraging and highly faciliated environment in the western univ.....though in iits too there is huge funding but we being in undergrad prog only.,,don't get the enthusiasm to work in projects......some people do go for it.
i am doing a project in product designing.... transient heat transfer cond in gears in function,thus calc the temp gradient and finally giving better design options for gears!!
but it is in preliminary state as for now.... under Prof Gnanmoorthy (mech deptt).... Prof ramesh babu is in energy technology,mech deptt.... never happened to interact wid him.
anyways afte this project is over,say by summer 2005, i'll have to take a project in Energy tech..... there is one Mr. A Ramesh too(again energy tech) has very recognised recommendation for phd....
The basic prob with iit (madras esp) is that these profs dont recommend u to western univ.....esp not for summer projects over there... they want mechies to rather go for practical training.... so I will be putting fight by myselves , one can mention projects he is doing... but the profs seldom do anyth more than verifying that u working with him!
once again ,thank you very much sir for having bothered to reply...
naresh


quote]Dr. Birbal Singh (Sep 16, 2004 07:11 a.m.):
Naresh,

You have several options but first you have to decide the direction you would like to pursue in the future.

If you like academic life or industrial research then Ph.D. is a good idea, and the fact that you are in a dual program gives you an edge over applicants with B.Tech. If you can publish a paper or two out of your M.Tech. research, it will increase your chances of getting funding substantially. Many American Universities provide a safegaurd for graduate students by giving them another M.S. in case they do not succeed in the Ph.D. candidacy/qualifying examination, but to join another M.S. program after M.Tech. is not a good idea.

If you want to do an MBA, I would suggest making an all out effort for IIM. If you succeed it will be great otherwise you look at other options.

You (and many students in India) seem to have a misconception about "cool" US universities. There is nothing cool about the life of a research assistant in North America. It is shear hard work in hope for a better future. If your family has lots of money you can come as a tourist any time but there is not much fun for a student working in some prof's lab.

However, I have seen profs and students coming from India for presentation of paper at conferences, and that is certainly enjoyable. From your department, I met Prof. Ramesh Babu and couple of his students in Houston in the last Waterjet Conference. So, I would suggest you work with some prof to publish a paper.

Good luck.

Birbal Singh[/quote]
 
Respected Sir,
It is nice that you people care for the JAT Bhais even when sitting miles away. All the best for ur efforts
Sandeep
JAI JAT
 
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