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Dear Atul
Indidual can make different statements at different times in different situations,indifferent moods.
Have you not heard of your brother at some point time I will kill you,if the age gap is not too wide .
It happens atul,don't take negative view always.
Have you heard when pandit nehru in rohtak rally ,It would have been better had these jats gone to pakistan along with muslims,a comment greatly recented by Ch.Charan Singh.
Have you heard Madan lal Khurana commenting on Sahib singh verma if these people will be given these posts you will see same results commenting on nangloi candidate murder episode during sahib singh's chief ministership.

Now please tell me what is your openion?

DO EVERY MAN IN BJP AND CONGRESS IS SAME.

On the contrary,give a little attention to this...

When a malik bhai(muslim ) living in UK on jatt world was eager to explore the jat and pathan relation like our own malik, tried to downplay jatts, muslim jat told to this pathan...
Beware of turbulent times ahed of you,we jats are coming to overtake you and you have to adjust with us jats.
 
@ATUL : look mr. Atul.....We Indians r shecular ppl....we believe in unity in diversity n vaasudev-kutumbkam.....so just stop ur bull$#it fundamentalism....first of all we all r human being.....all that make us good n bad is attitude n heart.....for god sake dont diffrentiate us...we all r Indian first...good n bad ppl r everywhere....so here on Jatland too ;).....Never value a person by cast, creed n color.....Well, my most respectable person here in India is our President Abdul Kalam....he's a Mulsim...so what do my opinion changes, not at all....look some of our great Cricketers r also Muslim so what dont they perfrom well?? R not they Indian enough.....
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As for JAT....I'm 100% agreed with Amit bhai....Jat is not mere a cast, a race ....its an Attitude, A philosphy, A way of Life, A warrior withinself....thats why we always feel when someone does something special....Is she/he Jat?? like our fellow memebers once saying Is Sania Mirza is a Jat & Is Dhoni is Jat???

So man, shut up....we dont need ur certificate of authentication....dont u plz! post sucha a crap posts....n try to learn from ur uncle a real Hon'ble Jat Dr. Birbal Singh Ji... :)

no offense meant ....:)

A JAT is a JAT is a JAT!!!!!


rock on
Jit
 
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There are three type of societies;

1. Solid state
2. Liquid state
3. Gaseous state

India is in liquid state, europe in solid state.... africa in gaseous state...

one can break solids, but not liquids and gases... Be assured, India will never break again ....does not matter how politics play...

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nice well i want to add 2 points we hindus like to pull each others leg secondaly well paksitan is muslim country for me it is just by name islamic country. lahore is not less in accepting western culture. i my view it is the most ultra mordern muslim country:rolleyes: . but HERE IS MY POINT. BEING A MUSLIM COUNTRY SIND WANTS TO BE A DIFFRENT COUNTRY does not want to be rulled my punjab.
SO SARA POLITICS KA KHAIL HAI BHAI SABH POLITICS. bangladesh itna chota hai ki osko kya brake kurai ga koi:D

AND CONGRESS IS EVERY TIME BEEN A COWARD PARTY. THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND A SINGLE INDIAN IN INDIA TO BE THERE PARTY HEAD. AND MADE SONIA THE LADY WHO TILL NOW NOT ABLE TO SPEACK HINDI PROPERLY. IF I STAY SO LONG IN CANADA I THINK ENGISH WOULD BE IN MY BLOOD. :D KIDDING HINDI KO NAHI BHOLO GI. BUT YA EVEN DUMS LEARNlanguage fast . but some times i cannot understand her so called italiyan-english- hindi way of talking:D
 
bhaaiyo tum jo bhi kaho

hi all,,

bhaaiyo tum chaahe jo bhi kaho par ek baat bataao......ak aaj jib bhi koi aatankwaadi kashmir me pakddya jaawe sai na te bhaarat ke saare musallmaanaa ne bada dukh howe sai.......

koi bhi cricket match dekh lena tum india vs pak taamne ye bharat ke muslmaan paaki jhanda thaae nahi paawen te bata diyoo...

ar bhai kehan main ar karen main bhot antar howe sai....... hamare desh ne to hamesha se in kutton ke liye kuch na kuch kiya hi hai .......inko rehne ke lie jagah mili .ghar mille..... par ye kya de rahe hain hammen( i mean to india) .?? just few terrorists ?????/

koi bhi muslim indian kisi field main perform nahi karta .........no studies sports nthng......exceptions r alws there ( irfan etc) inko to bus ek baat ki fikr hai ke hamari sankhhya kitni badhe bhartat me aur hum ek din yahan apni population ke dum par raaj karren......

to bhai humko inki popu. par chek laana hogaa.....saale ek ghar main 20 bandde (kutte ) rehte hain......

jab we apne dharam ko le kar itne kattar hain to tum sabko kya problem haiiii...????ek musalmaan ka joker kis desh main banaya tha ar kit aade u.p. main saale kutte dange karte hain ........wats this??????? hamare desh ki property ki naaash karen sain ek joker ke liye.........:mad:

saalyaan ka kuch fayada nahi hai is desh ne ..aur we bharat ki progress main bhaatha bane khade sain .........

keke kahun ib ............ this is wt i feel of muslims:mad:
 
How Very Sad....

Dear All,

Quite unnecessary comments by some members. But then 'freedom to express' always wins. Though I have written on this issue elsewhere but let me give my take on this subject.

I am a JAT and not a Hindu. Difficult to understand but true.

Mahatma Gandhi described Hindus as the most cowardly people. Idol worshipping Hindus discriminate. It is history. No one here needs a lesson in history but then please go through the aspects that cover the subject of oppression of SC/ST & Dalits in all parts of the country.

Why are you so jealous of Muslim progress, even if it be only restricted to increase in population? I have said it earlier & would say it again & again that I will believe a Muslim rather than believeing a 'Refugee' or a 'Bahman'. Muslims are no less patriotic. than others. More Hindus have faced court martials in the Indian Army than Muslims. No, it is not the question of numbers but even proportionately.

What about Indians in England & Australia (who are permanent citizens) who wave Indian Flags during a cricket match? Does it make them 'Traitors'? Come on give some intelligent analogy. Don't lambast someone just because you must say something.

Why are you blaming Auranzeb or Timur Lang? Who told you to fight amongst yourselves in the name of cast & creed? Why were you not united? You were not united then & neither are you united now. Why did one Indian King not support the other when the Mugals were invading our motherland? By no way I am justifying the tyranny of these invaders. There were authentic reports of Indian Army doing worst things in Bangladesh after Pakistani Army surrendered. And I say this with a lot of sense of responsibility. 'Power corrupts'.

Way don't you allow SC/ST to take water from the same well in your village? But when he is your senior in a government job, you salute him. Really funny. The best time pass is Muslim bashing. There is fundamentalist threat to all nations. It could be Muslim or Christian or even Hindu.

THE ONLY SOLUTION IS CO-EXISTENCE.

Can all Hindus combiled together kill 160 Million Muslims in India? Would you be allowed to do so? Don't count the Army please. First stop killing yourself in the name of language, water or whatever. Muslims ke baare mein baad mein sochna.

Why are you so afraid of Muslim Brotherhood? I condemn the depiction of Prophet Mohammad by the Danish carttonist. It is not allowed in Islam. Simple. Is it the Muslims fault that Hindu's don't react when a man dressed as Lord Hanuman is begging on the roadside? Let US first put OUR own house in order.

Therefore, I am a JAT and not a Hindu.

Regards,

JS Malik

PS: Bhai, jo kisi ko bura lage ho to lagna chahiye.
 
Don't you guys think India have lot of other serious problems to deal with then this Hindu-Muslim fight.

Paachas saal phale hum loogo koo angreezo nee laadwaya aur hum aub tak laad rahe hai!!!

I agree with Col. Jagmohan that co-existence is the only solution in today multi-cultural and multi-race world.
 
ratheetheraist said:
hi all,,

bhaaiyo tum chaahe jo bhi kaho par ek baat bataao......ak aaj jib bhi koi aatankwaadi kashmir me pakddya jaawe sai na te bhaarat ke saare musallmaanaa ne bada dukh howe sai.......

koi bhi cricket match dekh lena tum india vs pak taamne ye bharat ke muslmaan paaki jhanda thaae nahi paawen te bata diyoo...

ar bhai kehan main ar karen main bhot antar howe sai....... hamare desh ne to hamesha se in kutton ke liye kuch na kuch kiya hi hai .......inko rehne ke lie jagah mili .ghar mille..... par ye kya de rahe hain hammen( i mean to india) .?? just few terrorists ?????/

koi bhi muslim indian kisi field main perform nahi karta .........no studies sports nthng......exceptions r alws there ( irfan etc) inko to bus ek baat ki fikr hai ke hamari sankhhya kitni badhe bhartat me aur hum ek din yahan apni population ke dum par raaj karren......

to bhai humko inki popu. par chek laana hogaa.....saale ek ghar main 20 bandde (kutte ) rehte hain......

jab we apne dharam ko le kar itne kattar hain to tum sabko kya problem haiiii...????ek musalmaan ka joker kis desh main banaya tha ar kit aade u.p. main saale kutte dange karte hain ........wats this??????? hamare desh ki property ki naaash karen sain ek joker ke liye.........:mad:

saalyaan ka kuch fayada nahi hai is desh ne ..aur we bharat ki progress main bhaatha bane khade sain .........

keke kahun ib ............ this is wt i feel of muslims:mad:
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Bhai rathiii

Baat to teri kuch kuch sahi hai…jab america ne Iraw paie halmla kiya tha sabko pata hai inhone jama masjid se lekar pure India maie raliya nikali thi ..lakin jab India maie kehi bi koi terrorist activity hoti hai tab koi bi nahi bolta …ke bera sara ne kye saap sungjya hai…

Lakin mere bhai isme is public ka dosh jyada koni..yeh sale nete hai na..sara kiya dhara inhi ka hai..allmost muslim leaders are misleading the muslim public.. dharma ke naam par bhadakne ka kaam karte hai yeh…
Ab inko sarur se hi allah allah karma sika diya jata hai…to bechare ke kare… na kare to mare and kare to mare..hehehe
I have many Muslim friends and I never find anything wrong among them except few things.. like meet khana..bakra katna hehehe.. We discuss many issues whenever we sit together and I always found them very much aware about the problem of our country . . my one friend (muslim) ib inke baap dado ka mujhe pata nahi …. Bhai awareness aa rehi hai inme bhi..situation change ho rehi hai dhire dhire….
Inke samaj maie ane lag gaya hai ki jitni izzat inko yeha milti hai utni kehi nahi mil sakti… they are understanding these facts gradually …. And I am more than confident that one day situation will change completely.

And rehi baat India ki security ki to bhai INDIA ek aisa mehan desh hai jiska na to koi kuch bigad sakya hai and na hi koi bigad sakega… ib chahe wo imam bukari hoo ya bill klionton .
 
I am a JAT and not a Hindu.

jagmohan said:
Therefore, I am a JAT and not a Hindu.

Regards,

JS Malik

PS: Bhai, jo kisi ko bura lage ho to lagna chahiye.
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Na uncleji bilkool bi bhura na lagya..jee kush ho gya padh ke...

I am a JAT and Not a HINDUUU.......
 
Salutations to a real fauji and a real Hero.

We are first jats than hindhu,muslim or christian.

Let us commit overselves to constructive approach.
 
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I wanted to make some comments on this thread. After reading Col. Malik's comments, nothing special is to be written. It is the juice of the whole matter. Please, brothers, stop allegations and counter-attacks.

\ SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI !!!

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jagmohan said:
Dear All,
Quite unnecessary comments by some members. But then 'freedom to express' always wins. Though I have written on this issue elsewhere but let me give my take on this subject.

I am a JAT and not a Hindu. Difficult to understand but true.


THE ONLY SOLUTION IS CO-EXISTENCE.
JS Malik
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Respected Col Malik, Ram Ram.
Unneccessary flareup of tempers. yes.
But Who is a Hindu ?
May be then the talk can progress in a constructive direction.


I guess human beings are decent by nature. What makes them bad is indoctrination. A child does what he has been taught. Similarly if many muslims do terrorism or such other cruel acts, the root of the problem is Islam, not the person.
Those who doubt may like to read what Swami Dayanand or Ambedkar said about Islam. Satyarth Prakash is a good reference.
Or please wiegh the basic tenets of Islam vis a vis human values.

CO-EXISTANCE IS THE SOLUTION.
Of course it is. But does Islam or the proponents of Islam have ever believed in peaceful coexistance ? None other than the Prophet himself has laid that whereve a Muslim population exists, it has a Allah sanctioned right to take over the control of the power (government) and impose
Shariat rule. Implyiong thAT EITHER THE NON-MUSLIMS SHOULD BE FORCED TO CONVERT OR SUBJUGATED INTO SUBMISSION.

The excerpts given below are indicative of the mentality that Islam represents and its proponents seek to inculcate in every believer. Of course every muslim may not believe equally in all such things, but as long as there is one thief in the village, peoples' property is not safe.

The farce of an inter-faith dialogue
From Arun Kumar in Bangalore

An Inter-Religious Dialogue for Spiritual Enlightenment by Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Art of Living) and Dr Zakir Naik (Islamic Research Foundation)

The event was organised by the Islamic Research Foundation, which was widely publicised through hoardings and newspapers in Bangalore. The place was heavily crowded and majority of the crowd (95 per cent) was Muslim.

While delivering his speech, Dr Zakir Naik exhorted the crowds with Islamic (Arabic) greetings. He gave briefs about the names of both the religions and their respective scriptures—Holy Quran for Islam and the Shruti (Vedas) and Smriti (Puranas, epics, dharma-shastras, Gita) for Hinduism. He gave trivia about all these scriptures. His talk was academic in toto and he “religiously” quoted from “the Books” giving chapter number, verse number, etc, for every quote, reminding one of the lawyers quoting the rule book in courts.

He defined a criterion from the Quran for the “candidate for God”. And he declared that idol worship is banned in Hindu scriptures also and Hindus better stop that.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar also asked people to take good things from all religions and traditions. Just like you don’t become Danish by eating Danish cookies, you would not lose your religion, if you understand or honour other’s traditions. Tolerance is old-style, what we need is “respect” for each other’s traditions.

He said Muslims are fine with such definitions of God but have a problem with definitions of God having four hands and if any man is praised to be God. He said the English word God is not appropriate as you can make it as Gods, Goddess, and Godmother by playing “mischief.” So Allah is the appropriate word which is free of all this identities. He spoke of the 99 names of God in Islam and the thousands of names (sahasra-naama) given by Hindu sages. Stating that “Hinduism thinks everything is God, Islam thinks everything is God’s,” he said Islam does not recognise creation as God but only the creator. In a tone of ridicule towards the concept of avatar which means God taking human/other forms, he said the all powerful God need not become a human to create/save/protect human beings. He further said, certain Hindu books say that idol worship is for people with lower consciousness who cannot comprehend formless God, then Muslims have already reached higher consciousness and don’t need idols.

Thus, he went on about the greatness of Islam, its book, its version of God, fully befitting a zealous religious preacher. With a heavy dosage of mockery and ridicule towards image worship of Hinduism, he cried in the end, holding the Holy Quran in one hand, turning towards Sri Sri: “The greatest book on earth, on the art of living is here, given by the last and only prophet of the world... and to be followed by everyone. I am presenting this to you.” He ended the talk with some more Arabic phrases.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar started his speech with the Kabir couplet pothi padh padh jag muaa (meaning the world is drained by reading books after books, no one became wise. Only he who reads the one-and-half letters of prem is wise). He said he’s no scholar, but just a dhai-akshar-wala who loves everyone, unconditionally.

He went on to elaborate the Hindu concept of God and said that the idea of God can only be indicated and not “defined” and “specified” with limited human intellect, as the Upanishad said: “Yato vaacho nivartante apraapya manasaa saha” (the mind and speech return helpless while trying to describe That). He explained that all idol/image worship is for joy and entertainment where you play with God and this helps the heart to blossom in love.

He mentioned that if you have a concept of God lying somewhere above and outside of the world, rewarding believers and punishing non-believers on judgment day, that is a limited and misguided notion. The idea of God as all-pervading (sarvaantaryaami) is the most beautiful, like you appreciate the painting as well as the painter, all of God’s creation is divine and worthy of admiration. The grace of God is something to be experienced and is not found in books alone. He gave examples of congregation of doctors debating about “pain” whereas none had actually experienced it! The true spirituality is to transcend words and books and experience God.

Stating that the age-old spiritual practices of Yoga and pranayam can help the whole of mankind, he mentioned about how Art-of-Living volunteers brought mental peace to people traumatised by war and violence in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. He requested people to unconditionally love all of humanity in the spirit of Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam (all of earth is one family).

Sri Sri told the crowd that there is no point in condemnation and let us honour each other’s traditions. Image worship is going on in this country for thousands of years—how can you condemn it? Love and mutual understanding are the need of the hour.

 
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In his characteristic, mellifluous voice, Sri Sri told the crowd that there is no point in condemnation and let us honour each other’s traditions. Image worship is going on in this country for thousands of years—how can you condemn it? Love and mutual understanding are the need of the hour. He also asked people to take good things from all religions and traditions. Just like you don’t become Danish by eating Danish cookies, you would not lose your religion, if you understand/honour other’s traditions. Tolerance is old-style, what we need is “respect” for each other’s traditions.

After Sri Sri’s talk, Zakir again came to the stage. The organisers announced, this is for being “neutral” and providing platform to Zakir to give his counterpoints. Here again, Zakir said: “I love Sri Sri Ravishankar. Because I love a child, I can’t tolerate the child falling down from the building and want to save it.” He again went on condemning idol worship and said since he loves Sri Sri, he openly invites him to the great religion of Islam which is the best form of art-of-living on earth. This was greeted with applause from audience.

But Sri Sri remained calm. He said: “No agenda, please absolutely no agenda. Before you think you’re doing good to others, just try to understand and see if the person is really in need of help. In the quest of saving the child, you’ll jump on its neck and kill the child.”

And then there was “open” question and answer session. From the questions that were coming, it appeared clear they were all “planted” questions which the designated persons started asking one after the other. One such planted question was “Is Prophet Mohammed prophesised in Hinduism?” directed at Zakir, to which he said an emphatic “yes” and quoted some obscure verses from Bhavishya Purana and said that these verses talked abut a future mahapurush from Vahleeka Pradesh (Sanskrit name for Arabia) and the details mentioned in those verses resembled Mohammed.

There were other questions to Sri Sri Ravi Shankar like “You said so much about love, but did not Krishna ask Arjuna to fight in the Gita? Is that not violence and enmity?” He replied: “Yes, but Krishna asked Arjuna to fight because it was his duty, but not with hatred and anger. Arjuna was like a policeman of dharma who has to punish wrong-doer. Krishna never preached hatred and terror.”

After observing some of the rigidity and fixated thought process, coupled with fundamentalist streak, one is left wondering, “if this is the liberal Islamic view, what would be orthodox Islamic view? What about hard-liner Islam?”


This is not the only time or the ideologue who acts in such a manner. I have seen TV programmes being telecast on international Islamic channels where other Islamic Maulvis employ exactly the same methodology of a farcical dialogue in front of a packed crowd against a Hindu preacher or Pandit, in other countries around the world.
Being an Islamic channel, they do not also show what the Hindu had said .
 
Sampuran ji

It is the irony of fate that despite of great jat leaders like Sir Chotu ram Sir Skinder hayat khan premier of Sindh who opposed partition till their last breath the power lust of pandit jawarlal and jinnah under the actve guidance of their british masters forced the partition of India.

These leaders knew that they are a part of one race inhabiting this land for centuries and deviding them would be deviding brothers.

But certain communal minded persons flared passions on both sides and cooked their own meals in the fire,situations are not very different today also.

We agree there are problems with hindhu,muslim and christians religions,but this should be discussed by these spiritual leaders.

We feel jat is a devided nation and one day our sarvakhap nation will have all its land as it used to have in ancient times till afghanistan borders.

We want to have more goodwill between brothers than animity.

Do you know the first interview of prisdent Raffique Ahamad Tarar, the first jat president of pakistan(India is still to have one),when reporter asked him why he has photo of ch.Chotu ram in his place ,He replied Iam here because of this great man.

Obviously the jat blood forgot the religion colour.

We jats are like this only,jat first than hindhu or muslman.
 
How foreigners view Indian Muslims


In my comments on thread The truth behind Taj Mahal, I had given an hint about medieval barbarianism which was prevalent at the time of Shah Jehan and Auranzeb. But history cannot be reversed now. As rightly pointed out by Col. Malik, to some extent, we were ourselves responsible for not being united in those days – so naturally, the cruel kings like Aurangzeb did what they wished. But now we have to concentrate on future rather than fight with the present Muslim population in India – despite the fact that some of them are fundamentalists. But there are Hindu fundamentalists too. The happenings in Kashmir, Akshardham episode, attack on Parliament etc. are all creations of foreign powers rather than the doings of common Muslim population of India.

We must, therefore, do our best to bring the Muslim population to the national mainstream. As Col. Malik rightly said, Muslims in Indian Army have proven their patriotism beyond doubt – since those Muslim armymen are now in the national mainstream. Ironically, recently there have been reports that Hizbul Mujahideen has trained several Hindu youths for killing innocent people. Some of these Hindu youths were captured by Indian Army. The reason for their joining such forces is the money power which such organisations possess.

In today’s (February 23) issue of The Herald Tribune, there is an article by Thomas L. Friedman, entitled “Empty pockets, angry minds”. Since it available on the Internet on payment basis only, I am retyping below this article (except 2-3 paragraphs). See the bold portions where the author praises the Indian Muslims for being patient on the current cartoon controversy (except a few peaceful demonstrations), despite Muslims of Pakistan and elsewhere.

Empty Pockets, angry minds
Thomas L. Friedman
National Herald Tribune, Feb. 23, 2006

I have no doubt that the Danish caroons mocking the Prophet Muhammad have caused real offense to many Muslims. I’m glad my newspaper didn’t publish them. But there is something in the worldwide Muslim reaction to these cartoons that is excessive, and suggests that something else is at work in this story.
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Today’s world has become so wired together, so flattened, that you can’t avoid seeing just where you stand on the planet – just where the caravan is and just how far ahead or behind you are. In this flat world, you get your humiliation on-line. Today, Muslim youth are enraged by cartoons in Denmark. Earlier, it was a Newsweek story about a desecrated Koran. Why, When you’re already feel left behind, even the tiniest insult from afar goes to the very core of your being – because your skin is so thin.

India is the second largest Muslim country in the world, but the cartoon protests here, unlike those in Pakistan, have been largely peaceful. One reason for the difference is surely that Indian Muslims are empowered and live in a flourished democracy. India’s richest man is a Muslim software entrepreneur. But so many young Arabs and Muslims live in nations that have deprived them of any chance to realize their full potential.
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While gross domestic product in the Middle East –North Africa region registered an annual increase of 5.5 per cent from 1993 to 2003, productivity, the measure of how efficiently these resources were used, increased by only about 0.1 per cent annually.

The Arab world is the only area in the world where productivity did not increase with GDP growth. That’s because so much of the GDP growth in this region was driven by oil revenues, not by educating workers to do new things with new technologies.
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Parvez Hoodbhoy, a professor of nuclear physics at Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad, Pakistan, bluntly wrote the following in Global Agenda 2006, the journal of the recent Davos World Economic Forum : “Pakistan’s public (and all but a handful of private) universities are intellectual rubble, their degrees of little consequence. According to the Pakistan Council for Science and Technology, Pakistanis have succeeded in registering only eight patents internationally in 57 years.

“[Today] you seldom encounter a Muslim name in scientific journals. Muslim contributions to pure and applied science – measured in terms of discoveries, publications, patents and processes – are marginal. The harsh truth is that science and Islam parted ways many centuries ago. In a nutshell, the Muslim experience consists of a golden age of science from the ninth to the 14th centuries, subsequent collapse, modest rebirth in the 19th century, and a profound reversal from science and modernity, beginning in the last decades of the 20th century. This reversal appears, if anything, to be gaining speed.”

No wonder so many people in this part of the world are unprepared, and therefore, easily enraged, as they encounter modernity. And no wonder backward religious leaders and dictators in places like Syria and Iran – who have miserably failed their youth – are so quick to turn their young people’s anger against an insulting cartoon and away from themselves and the rot they have wrought.

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Who is a Hindu

narenderkharb said:
Sampuran ji

We agree there are problems with hindhu,muslim and christians religions,but this should be discussed by these spiritual leaders.


We jats are like this only,jat first than hindhu or muslman.
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Kharab bhai, Ram Ram.
You certainly have a point about the partition and homogenity of Jats. That is an interesting discussion, which I shall follow up on getting your thoughts on the issue mentioned below.

My previous post was perhaps with a bit of fore-sight (though not-intended) As the dailogue (one sided debate will be more appropriate) between Sri Sri Ravishankar and Dr Zakir Naik shows Islamic ideologues and religious leaders are NOT for harmonious living with other religions. They have never been. Even the harmless Sufi saints of yore used to regularly write to the mughal emperors that enough was not being done to bring the Kafir Hindus under the sword of Islam.

Where is the desire to live peacefully ?

Secondly, you have also made a similar comment as Col Malik.
So may I repeat the question to you as well - Who is a Hindu ?



Deswalji,
It took just 150 years for the Mutalizites to get wiped out from the Islamic scene. When you understand what Islam really is, it doen not seem unusual. That any Islamic society will go into barbarism and recession is natural.
The golden period that this westerener writer talks about never existed. It was jest the transfer of stolen knowledge from India to the Arabia and further to Europe.
I still clearly remember one history teacher in school days mentioning that Arabia had many centres of learning prior to the advent of Islam. When Mohammed's armies started creating mayem all around and imposing dogmas, most of the sscholars fled northwards. Thats how knowledge travelled to Europe, and rennaissance helped in scientific revolution.
So for Arabia it was always a downslide since the advent of Islam.

In some respects these Europeans are as much ignorant about Indian history as they are about their pre-Christian one.
A prestigious university of France had mentioned Jantar Mantar in New Delhi as one of the achievements of Islamic science. When a Hnidustani professor told them it was in fact a Hindu ruler Swai Jai Singh who got it constructed, they did not evn respond .
 
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Thanks, Sampuran ji. I had myself written that past history is a very bad experience, citing medieval barbarianism. Western thoughts are different. They do not want to accept the fact that like Jantar Mantar, Taj Mahal too must have been a Hindu structure - so is Kutub Minar, which is stated to be built by Prithvi Raj Chauhan, rather than Qutub-ud-din-Aibak. Most of the Hindu population of India are coverts from Hinduism and they certainly have some 'Hindu' roots in them - especially the rural population. The elite Muslims only teach them 'Muslim ideology'. We have, therefore, to encounter this propaganda and should try to bring the Muslim population into national mainstream - this should be our future strategy as the history cannot be reversed. Arya Samaj movement had tried a 'Shuddhi aandolan' i.e. to re-convert them into 'Hindu' or 'Arya' or 'Vedic' culture. But our learned Pundits say that Hinduism is a one-way street - one can exit from it without any chances of coming back or take a u-turn.

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dndeswal said:
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The elite Muslims only teach them 'Muslim ideology'. We have, therefore, to encounter this propaganda and should try to bring the Muslim population into national mainstream - this should be our future strategy as the history cannot be reversed. Arya Samaj movement had tried a 'Shuddhi aandolan' i.e. to re-convert them into 'Hindu' or 'Arya' or 'Vedic' culture. But our learned Pundits say that Hinduism is a one-way street - one can exit from it without any chances of coming back or take a u-turn.

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Deswal Bhai you are absolutely right. The muslims masses have always been exploited by their leaders. Then going deep into history and islamic theology, you will find the Prophet mohammed created this ideology, to exploit people for his selfish and immoral desires. Unfortunately, we may no agree, but the stark truth is that as long as a person is muslim, he is laible to be brainwashed, exploited in to killing, looting, raping etc.

So what is the way out ?
Swami Dayanand was the first person to see through the game of Islam. So he started the Shuddhi Movement.

Who are the Pundits ? We never gave them two hoots. Today their value is even less. When two Jats decide to accept a muslim back into Hindu fold, what can the Pundit do ?
Accpting a muslim back into Arya Samaaj or Hindu or Sanatan whatever somebody may call, will be a noble and sensible action. To my mind , only the Jats have the guts and competncy to do that.


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