drrajpoonia said:
Sumit,
Can you first try and get your history right? Pakistan has been after Kashmir right from independence. The first time that they tried to grab Kashmir was in 1948. Then they tried to create the lie that the attackers were from the Pakistan side of Kashmir whereas in reality they were aided, manned and supported by the Pakistani army. The second time that they tried was in 1965 through Operation Gibralter which led to the war of 1965 and Ayub Khan had to lose power.
Do you know anything about the Indo Pak war of 1971? I don't think so. Try to google for genocide/rape 1971 Bangladesh. Do you know how many Bamgladeshis were killed after Mujiber Rehman's party won a majority and the generals in Pakistan (West) realised that the power is going to shift to the East. At least 3 million were killed in Bangladesh. India did not have any choice. Pakistan was not broken by India, the seeds were sown by the follies of Pakistanis.
And of course the most recent attempt was when they grabbed the peaks of Kashmir. Then they tried to peddle the lies that the insurgent were Mujahidinins. But then the major manpower was supplied by the Northern Light Infantry (mainly Shias). If you can find information on the Pakistani occupied side of Kashmir, try to read on the Gilgit uprising by the Shias of early 80s which was brutally suppressed by Pervez Musharraf under the orders of Gen Zia. FYI the POK (I think you would call it Azad Kashmir) side is mostly Shia and not Sunni.
It is not because India broke up Pakistan and created Bangladesh that Pakistan decided to support insurgency in Kashmir. It is inspite of that.
And regarding your second assertion that India is going to break up eventually, you seem to be swayed by the old opinion in the West. Right from India's independence there has been this assertion that India will break up. It has not happened till now and it is doubtful when the economy picks up and the standard of living goes up such a thing would happen.
Well I read the same History as you sir. The only difference is that we have a differnet analysis of the same sitution, and thus differing opinions.
1. I am very well aware that Pakistan has been trying to get Kashmir right from the partition days. If we go by the logic that Mahraja of Kashmir ceeded Kashmir to india, so it belongs to us, then going by the same logic, Junagarh and Hyderabad shold belong to Pakistan. I am not siding with any side on this issue. I want answers to questions that people just prefer to shove under the couch.
2. As for Bangladesh, it was none of our business to intervene. We shold have secured our borders, and stopped all the refugees form coming in. The war was fought well over 3 decades ago, and we still have droves of refugees coming into India illeally, and that too with the help of Bangladeshi paramilitary forces. On the top of it, every now and then there are hostile activities by Bangladeshi forces every now and then, committed against our forces. By our old logic, we should attack Bangladesh again. We trained Mukti ahini and invaded Bangladesh, and now we are justifying it. What double standards.
3. As for the Kagil incident, I strongly agree it was Pakistan's fault. They should have never crossed the LOC. But then it was our fault also. We were sleeping, when we were supposed to be on the lookout.
heres no reason to be hostile to me. What do you mean that wuld call POK, azad kashmir. I am in strong disagreement over the way the kashmir Issue has been handled so far. I cannot turn a blind eye towards the thousands of civillians who have been killed in the insurgency, just like thousands of our brave men in uniform, who have sacrificed for the cause. Kashmir issue can be put to a full stop now, but it has become a fodder for both sides on the issue.
And I also do not understand that howcome you guys consider kashmir to be a soverieng part of India, when you treat Kashmir like an occupied territory, and Kashmiris like third class citizens.
yes I want India to stretch form Kashmir to Kanyakumari. but for a moment: How close have we come to achieve something, ever since the insurgency errupted nearly two decades ago. The ground reality is that the two sides are still in a dispute. Insurgency is waging. People are dying. So lets put it this way. we are still at square one.
Instead of bashing me up, I would like you guys to give some sensible suggestions to resolve the Kashmir issue for once and for all. Whats the point of having a dessert in front of you, when you cannot have it, as long as you are in a dispute wiht your little rother next to you, who wont let you have it, and doesnt have the balls to snatch it from you either.
By the way I just thought of how storngly many of us oppose the US presence in Iraq, which has been excused by saying that the US put a full stop to massmurderer Saddams, activity, but we are in support of India intervening in bangladesh.
Today, if anyone of us wanted to the start a business in the valley or say invest in some property there, we are prevented from doing so by the special enactments which forbid us to have assets in that state. Why should the national exchequer keep bleeding for the valley when on the other hand the same tax payers cannot buy or invest in assets in the valley.