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1. Staying in the village i came accross numerous cases where a girl child had a curable ailment but was allowed to die, to save money and to avoid bringing up a girl child.
2. There are innumerable cases where a girl child immediately after birth is given a strong dose of tobacco and she suffocates to death. This is done by ladies of the house. The case is treated as 'child died at birth'
3. Female feticide.
4. At the rape of a woman, the whole society including media shouts - uski zindagi barbaad ho gayi, uski ijjat taar taar ho gayi, wo kisiko muu dikhane laayak nahin rahi-----why? why the woman has lost everything, why not the man? the society is the biggest rapist. They will give such 'heen bhawna' to the woman that she will commit suicide.

I wonder why the malpractices in our society/community never hurt hour ego...errrrr honour i mean, at all.
 
navingulia said:
1. Staying in the village i came accross numerous cases where a girl child had a curable ailment but was allowed biggest rapist. They will give such 'heen bhawna' to the woman that she will commit suicide.

I wonder why the malpractices in our society/community never hurt hour ego...errrrr honour i mean, at all.
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Hi Naveen,

Everything you said is true.. What I understood that number of such incidents are decreasing with time. I agree that it hurts our soul and we always dream/try for social upliftment of our society. Woman suffers somehow from birth to death and I think they only need to raise thier voices.
These are shameful acts and we must critize them as mush as we can.
However, This is not a solution. Solution lies in stronger family bonds with between girl and her parents, better career opportunites for her and making her strong enough so that she can raise her voice against any injustice.

I feel situation is improving but still Miles to go....
 
yes yudhvir,
I agree with you. as people are becoming more educated, rate is decreasing
in case of female foeticide.
for the other situations, we all personally have to stand firmly agains these issues.
i think naveen's 4th point should be given some priority to sought out...becuase even educated people have this kind of behaviour too... and no one have raised any kind of protest against this..
 
I agree with all facts stated by you. Besides education women needs economic independence so that she can take decisions. There is need of NGO's who can help these women not only on case to case basis but through social awakening of masses.
 
We must give our attention to these social issues. We must firmly oppose these things. but we only talk. When the same thing is happening in our neighbourhood, we dont speak a word because we are bound to few things like, our own family doesnt allow us to interfere in others' matters and other will simply say to us "WHO ARE YOU". We simply got scare of these things. We are scared of our relations to others.

But, let us be on top of these things. At the cost of anything we will oppose these things and if we are able to save just ONE baby girl (or any such crime), we have dont a wonderful job.
 
navingulia said:
1. Staying in the village i came accross numerous cases where a girl child had a curable ailment but was allowed to die, to save money and to avoid bringing up a girl child.
2. There are innumerable cases where a girl child immediately after birth is given a strong dose of tobacco and she suffocates to death. This is done by ladies of the house. The case is treated as 'child died at birth'
3. Female feticide.
4. At the rape of a woman, the whole society including media shouts - uski zindagi barbaad ho gayi, uski ijjat taar taar ho gayi, wo kisiko muu dikhane laayak nahin rahi-----why? why the woman has lost everything, why not the man? the society is the biggest rapist. They will give such 'heen bhawna' to the woman that she will commit suicide.

I wonder why the malpractices in our society/community never hurt hour ego...errrrr honour i mean, at all.
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Gulia ji, in which region of jatland u encountered this practise? :confused: i guess this practise has been abandoned from decades. I wonder if it is still happening.
 
Not only in villages, more girls are dying of treatable disease like diarrhoea than boys in cities too and this happens to girls as twice as likely to happen to boys despite the fact that girls are stronger than boys and they are more likely to survive.

Besides killing girls after birth, female foeticide is also a matter of grave concern resulting in decreased sex ratio all over india, especially in northern states. This praactice is not only affecting contry's demography but making country confront various social problems.

In most countries, women slightly outnumber men but in india for every 1000 men, approximately 930 women are there. Eligible boys from northern states travel across the country to get themselves a bride. This is not the result of a short time reluctance of parents to have girl child, however is being practised for decades. In this practice most important role is palyed by women herself because they regard girls less favourably than boys. But this is a result of male domination over females for decades making women feel themselve less important.

In 21st century girls are no less capable than boys but only those who are getting opportunities and support from their parents(mostly educated). However this is an irony that very less examples of this kind we have than the examples where girls are deprived of basic education and other facilities.

Women in India need lots of upliftment measures at an urgent basis and at a large scale, and most important is education which can help eredicate most of the problems which are interlinked to illiteracy.


Sandeep Vedwan
 
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navingulia said:
1. Staying in the village i came accross numerous cases where a girl child had a curable ailment but was allowed to die, to save money and to avoid bringing up a girl child.
2. There are innumerable cases where a girl child immediately after birth is given a strong dose of tobacco and she suffocates to death. This is done by ladies of the house. The case is treated as 'child died at birth'
3. Female feticide.
4. At the rape of a woman, the whole society including media shouts - uski zindagi barbaad ho gayi, uski ijjat taar taar ho gayi, wo kisiko muu dikhane laayak nahin rahi-----why? why the woman has lost everything, why not the man? the society is the biggest rapist. They will give such 'heen bhawna' to the woman that she will commit suicide.

I wonder why the malpractices in our society/community never hurt hour ego...errrrr honour i mean, at all.
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It is because of men. Men are responsible for most of misery and depravity in any society. Most men are highly insecure and territorial creatures, these primitive traits are compounded by lack of education.
So in general, men are more depraved and dangerous than women.
 
sidchhikara said:
It is because of men. Men are responsible for most of misery and depravity in any society. Most men are highly insecure and territorial creatures, these primitive traits are compounded by lack of education.
So in general, men are more depraved and dangerous than women.
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Sid I guess you directly bumped here after Oprah's latest show:D. US culture[it wud not be fair to call it Civilization] is supposed to have best education system on planet still they are crowned with the highest ratio of single mommys, floursihing divorce industry[they have best sellers book on pre-marriage education n blah blah] and teen's abortions[is it illegal over there?].:o Its okay in India its still tribal laws and men are higly uneducated ;) but to whom Americans are pouring their education.:confused::cool:. Men bashing isnt new but in last 50 years media-matrix made us believe it easily.:boxing.So in general education has nothing to do with the child upbringing, our ancestors never faced low male/female ratio.

Doc Poonam, Jat males might have developed an extra Y in the process of evolution(?) may be thaty they are so creative in female[xx] foeticide.
 
Samarkadian said:
Sid I guess you directly bumped here after Oprah's latest show:D. US culture[it wud not be fair to call it Civilization] is supposed to have best education system on planet still they are crowned with the highest ratio of single mommys, floursihing divorce industry[they have best sellers book on pre-marriage education n blah blah] and teen's abortions[is it illegal over there?].:o Its okay in India its still tribal laws and men are higly uneducated ;) but to whom Americans are pouring their education.:confused::cool:. Men bashing isnt new but in last 50 years media-matrix made us believe it easily.:boxing.So in general education has nothing to do with the child upbringing, our ancestors never faced low male/female ratio.

Doc Poonam, Jat males might have developed an extra Y in the process of evolution(?) may be thaty they are so creative in female[xx] foeticide.
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I did not qualify that earlier observation based on region. So yes lot of American men are also idiots. Case in point: George Bush.
Fact Check: America does not have the best education system - not even in the top 10 Finland has the best education system as of this year.

You should not worry about my comment if you are not involved in any of those activities Navin listed.

If you take any crime or instance of depravity and analyze it ... chances are more often than not men will be involved.

Who's Oprah??
 
Samarkadian said:
Sid I guess you directly bumped here after Oprah's latest show:D. US culture[it wud not be fair to call it Civilization] is supposed to have best education system on planet still they are crowned with the highest ratio of single mommys, floursihing divorce industry[they have best sellers book on pre-marriage education n blah blah] and teen's abortions[is it illegal over there?].:o Its okay in India its still tribal laws and men are higly uneducated ;) but to whom Americans are pouring their education.:confused::cool:. Men bashing isnt new but in last 50 years media-matrix made us believe it easily.:boxing.So in general education has nothing to do with the child upbringing, our ancestors never faced low male/female ratio.

Doc Poonam, Jat males might have developed an extra Y in the process of evolution(?) may be thaty they are so creative in female[xx] foeticide.
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These figures, you quoted, in US are higher because the percetage of reporting of these cases is more than 90%. While in India there is hardly any thing on papers, may be 20% or even less.
Education and social values have every thing to do with the male/female ratio.
 
Samarkadian said:
So in general education has nothing to do with the child upbringing, our ancestors never faced low male/female ratio.
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Bhai Samar

I doubt if you have asked this question to you ancestors. Gender equality were never there in our RACE.

Budee to kave se ek 4 bahiye main te 2 ko bhee byaa hogya to sukh manaya karte thee.

waise ghana gyaan to maine bhee nahin hain :)

Thanks
 
Samarkadian said:
Sid I guess you directly bumped here after Oprah's latest show:D. US culture[it wud not be fair to call it Civilization] is supposed to have best education system onextra Y in the process of evolution(?) may be thaty they are so creative in female[xx] foeticide.
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Bhai Kadyan,

I think Eductation makes an difference.I have lived 20 yrs of my life in village and I have seen brutalities of husbands/bro-in-laws/father-in-laws against poor women. I bet majority of them were illterate poor peasants(I dont like to call them farmer as average agricultral land is harly 2 acres now). Education is just not about reading some rule books on women's rights and text books, Its an process that evolved human mind to think rational and question old traditions.. I am living in bangalore from last 4 years, I have never seen a single person beating his wife on the road or thrashing his daughter. I dont think they do this extra-curricular activites in the mid of night. what makes a difference here is education..

In many instances, I found gals shouting on guys to make sure that they don't cross thier limits.

I think education is a most important tool for woman's cause. In last 15 years, I have seen lots of imporvement and as I said earlier.. Still Miles to go.

Regards
Yudhvir Mor
 
sidchhikara said:
I did not qualify that earlier observation based on region. So yes lot of American men are also idiots. Case in point: George Bush.
Fact Check: America does not have the best education system - not even in the top 10 Finland has the best education system as of this year.

You should not worry about my comment if you are not involved in any of those activities Navin listed.

If you take any crime or instance of depravity and analyze it ... chances are more often than not men will be involved.

Who's Oprah??
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need to check the facts before making such a loud statement sid.
 
yudhvirmor said:
Bhai Kadyan,

I think Eductation makes an difference.I have lived 20 yrs of my life in village and I have seen brutalities of husbands/bro-in-laws/father-in-laws against poor women. I bet majority of them were illterate poor peasants(I dont like to call them farmer as average agricultral land is harly 2 acres now). Education is just not about reading some rule books on women's rights and text books, Its an process that evolved human mind to think rational and question old traditions.. I am living in bangalore from last 4 years, I have never seen a single person beating his wife on the road or thrashing his daughter. I dont think they do this extra-curricular activites in the mid of night. what makes a difference here is education..

In many instances, I found gals shouting on guys to make sure that they don't cross thier limits.

I think education is a most important tool for woman's cause. In last 15 years, I have seen lots of imporvement and as I said earlier.. Still Miles to go.

Regards
Yudhvir Mor
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Dear u got a wrong impression here. I convince a bit with u that education plays a role but it's not going to eradicate the problem completely. What do u say for the ppl who share a well said reputation in the society and are highly educated but still burning brides for dowry,avail of new medical technologies for female foeticide and treat women like trash????
 
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At the rape of a woman, the whole society including media shouts - uski zindagi barbaad ho gayi, uski ijjat taar taar ho gayi, wo kisiko muu dikhane laayak nahin rahi-----why? why the woman has lost everything, why not the man? the society is the biggest rapist. They will give such 'heen bhawna' to the woman that she will commit suicide.

I wonder why the malpractices in our society/community never hurt hour ego...errrrr honour i mean, at all.
 
Education will solve many problems????

Many times in many threads, I have read this statement posted by many persons.

What is this so called education?????????

TO make us slave first thing the ENGLISH done - destroyed our entrepreneurship - -- hence destroyed our independence

Imposed english education system.

What an educated person wants -- ek naukri and Ek Chhokri. ( Used to telll by my seniors in RECW, in the response of what they want after completion of their B.TECH). {SAME statement quoted by Swami Vivekananda long back for Bengali educated gentlemen.}

What we expect .......................

ARE we independent??????? AZAD Hai hum?

Treaties, Sanctions, negotiations........

China was never under British control...........
but what brits done with china, they were doing business of opium with china and one third of chines ewere addicted of opium and when chinese tried to stop this business. THEN they attacked on china. THEN again one more TREATY......
continue this business..............

only after revolution lead by Mao tse tung, was able to stop this addiction of opium from china.......

Revolution is required.....
cultural revolution...........like tagore had done......Dayanand..........

.........................lot more to say.............................

one of my junior working in canada and saving INR 30 Lakhs per anum, coming back to India(telugu) and going to fight 2009 election with 0% chance of winning............Interested in revolution.......another freedom fighting movement.............first was by gandhi against english....
second one by naturelover(sunil Reddy) ................against these above-said mal-practicesssssssssssssssssssssss...........
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lot more to say............................

BUT it is MUCH better if I DO A LITTLE.......................................
 
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