Hooda - Clean? - Not Really

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I know a few people have mentioned that they know Hooda and think he is quite clean on the dowry issue. Here are a few facts that I know and hence thought should be posted here. Before I post those facts, I would like to admit that ours being a male dominated society and this being a male dominated forum, should take into consideration girl's plight as well. Conclusions should just not be based on meeting a person for 5-10 mins. A member has mentioned " A Jaatni with respect shouldn't take her in-laws to court". Where would a woman go if she is surrounded by a nasty husband and in-laws.

Facts:

1. The girl was informed within hours of marriage to bring more money. Mrs Hooda said - "We are a political family and we need money to fight elections"

2. Mr Hooda sent his son to US by taking out a loan of 20 lakhs. Mr Hooda has still to pay his phone/electricity bills of about Rs 50,000 (as mentioned in his affidavite)

3. The girl was forced to shell out money for her honeymoon. Mr Hooda's son rarely inquired about her or spoke to her while she was at their place.

4. Hooda family has dual personlity. They are very different in public.

5. The girl was asked to bring a Merc and not Esteem.

6. The girl was asked to bring her credit card, bank card, previous 2 years salary and furnish her family's property details.

7. She was harassed/humiliated in front of family members regularly.

8. Although mandatory for US visa to get spouse surname changed, Hooda's being in such influential position, didn't got it done intentionally. She was told - unless you get the money, you are not going anywhere.

9. Mr Hooda's son got his bail after he became the CM ! - Isn't this abuse of power. Inspite of the fact that any person facing criminal charges cannot leave the country, his son went back to US. What does this suggest??

Rest I leave for all the distinguished members of our Jat Community to decide.

My conclusion - you all know......

Regards

Shruti Phogat
 
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Hi,

Would it not be nice, once and for all to keep things political out of this platform we have in the form of jatland.com. Besides, no matter what your political affliations are but if you look deep inside and far around you dispassionately, each of us would realise that Haryana is one of the most corrupt states. Why so? Well, gone are the days of stalwarts like Sir Choturam and instead we have political pigmies and a citizenry whose blood has gone numb and hardly ever do we think beyond I, me and myself. Everything said and done my friends, we in Haryana may be a prosperous lot and so is the state of Haryana but we have lost and failed socially and politically. Its a great human resource failure where the essence of achievement is measured by the size of your bank balance and the car you drive.
I say all the above with authority as I am a practicing lawyer and each day I see the suffering of the masses and that moves me to think beyond the usual.

The recent brutal police atrocities at Gurgaon on 25,26 July 2005 and still continuing is again a stark reminder of the truth which we all casually try to brush under the carpet. I for one in my own sphere and expertise have extended Pro bono legal aid (thats free of cost legal services) to all and any of the persons affected during the said incidents of human rights violations by Haryana Police. How could we keep mum and quiet just viewing those images passively on the Television and still call ourselves a proud people. Pun intended. Can we call ourselves a civilised and a democratic and just society? Ponder about it for a moment.

Whats really happening in Haryana and for that matter in the entire country is that we collect the garbage and filth from around the state/country, place them in the Legislative assembly/parliament and expect them to do a great job for us all. Wishful thinking, isn't it. Why are we so stupid and ignorant or do we just do not care?

Best of luck to all and hail the motherland.

Wake up my friends.
 
shrutiphogat said:
I know a few people have mentioned that they know Hooda and think he is quite clean on the dowry issue. Here are a few facts that I know and hence thought should be posted here. Before I post those facts, I would like to admit that ours being a male dominated society and this being a male dominated forum, should take into consideration girl's plight as well. Conclusions should just not be based on meeting a person for 5-10 mins. A member has mentioned " A Jaatni with respect shouldn't take her in-laws to court". Where would a woman go if she is surrounded by a nasty husband and in-laws.

Facts:

1. The girl was informed within hours of marriage to bring more money. Mrs Hooda said - "We are a political family and we need money to fight elections"

2. Mr Hooda sent his son to US by taking out a loan of 20 lakhs. Mr Hooda has still to pay his phone/electricity bills of about Rs 50,000 (as mentioned in his affidavite)

3. The girl was forced to shell out money for her honeymoon. Mr Hooda's son rarely inquired about her or spoke to her while she was at their place.

4. Hooda family has dual personlity. They are very different in public.

5. The girl was asked to bring a Merc and not Esteem.

6. The girl was asked to bring her credit card, bank card, previous 2 years salary and furnish her family's property details.

7. She was harassed/humiliated in front of family members regularly.

8. Although mandatory for US visa to get spouse surname changed, Hooda's being in such influential position, didn't got it done intentionally. She was told - unless you get the money, you are not going anywhere.

9. Mr Hooda's son got his bail after he became the CM ! - Isn't this abuse of power. Inspite of the fact that any person facing criminal charges cannot leave the country, his son went back to US. What does this suggest??

Rest I leave for all the distinguished members of our Jat Community to decide.

My conclusion - you all know......

Regards

Shruti Phogat
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Madam,

Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened. Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey. Like any sensible human being, most of us regreted this most unfotunate incidence. However, unless you have been a witness to entire happenings between the parties, please do not stretch your imaginations to empty your anger. Let us not fight their battle here as both the parties are already in court.

RK^2
 
Court mein kitnee saal lagee geen? I read somewhere that the girl stood in election against the CM and lost? and she was saying that she would fight for women's rights and all that? Ghaar ke laddaaee aab bahar aa gayee.
Ghaar mein hee rakhna chayee tha. Duniya ke liye too ek drama haee. Auur oppponents ke liyee ek hathiyaar.

Shaadi itnee muskil haee kya? babaa ree babbaa. Girlfriend banooo aauuur khuuss rahooo.
 
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Court mein kitnee saal lagee geen? I read somewhere that the girl stood in election against the CM and lost? and she was saying that she would fight for women's rights and all that? Ghaar ke laddaaee aab bahar aa gayee.
Ghaar mein hee rakhna chayee tha. Duniya ke liye too ek drama haee. Auur oppponents ke liyee ek hathiyaar.

Shaadi itnee muskil haee kya? babaa ree babbaa. Girlfriend banooo aauuur khuuss rahooo.
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No wonder this is why in west they are switching over to such system. India dowry law makes life so difficult for boy and his family.

RK^2
 
rkumar said:
Madam,

Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened. Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey. Like any sensible human being, most of us regreted this most unfotunate incidence. However, unless you have been a witness to entire happenings between the parties, please do not stretch your imaginations to empty your anger. Let us not fight their battle here as both the parties are already in court.

RK^2
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Dear RK,
Well, to begin with I have issues with you trying to browbeat a young member for whom it may have been the first post. Your comments were uncalled for and lacked objectivity. Kindly, do not repeat this in the future with any other member as your having posted some 1000+ posts does not make you a know all and be all. Please do not sound so patronizing in the future.

Anyway, coming to the issue of the legal issues involved in the complaint by Mrs. Geeta Grewal nee Hooda, the sections invoked are 406, 498-A IPC, wherein, 406 IPC is the criminal breach of trust with regard to Stridhan and 498-A relates to Cruelty to a married woman by husband or relatives of the husband. The reality as I see professionaly each day as a criminal lawyer is that almost 90% of the complaints by estranged wives are false and baseless and the real objective is to extort a handsome settlement from the in laws. Now, the situation has detoriated to such an extent that different High Courts as well as the Supreme Court has time and again recorded anguish and pity on the misuse of the aforementioned legal provisions. The courts have thus started taking the complaints filed by the wives lightly owing to the prevelant misuse of the said legal provisions and in the bargain the cases where real cruelty (physical and mental) against the wife has taken place are also looked with suspicion by the courts.

The ground reality is and I too feel and understand that these laws need to be amended and the aforesaid offence ought to be made bailable and non cognizable.

Scratch the surface and you would find hapless men who have been at the receiving end and have been suffering at the hands of their wives since they have been implicated in false cases by their wives. I say all this on authority as i have been a witness to loads of cases in my practice as a criminal lawyer.

Dear RK and Shruti, pls do not take anything personally and let us make our debates and discussions richer.

Thanks.
 
I Think its not good to add personal comment on this website . My opinion is that we should discuss something better by which We can benefit the Jat society.
 
Though I don't much about dowry controversy(and I don't think many people in this forum do) so would remain silent regarding that but just had few points....

1) Shruti's detailed info might not be true but I also feel this forum (whole Haryana culture actually) is male dominated and in this kind of cases woman's attempt to raise voice aren't not viewed with respect...

2) Direndra says that 90% of these cases are false... I agree that lots of woman take advantage for assumed sensitivity on their part and newly obtained social freedom in newly developed urban sections... but what about those 90% rural women who go through mistreatment (abuses etc not necessarily physical) but don't even know road to the court and actually they don't want to go because of shame and pressure. All people in this forum are fairly educated and may not have witnessed such cases because large section of such families won't even know what internet is.

3) Someone said because Hooda is public figure he has right to clean his image... This statement is hypocratic, just because Hooda is CM his clean image is not more important than any other individual's right to prove himself clean... I don't think that court proceedings were carried out dispassionately after Hooda's being CM... Although I tend to agree that his personal affairs have little significance when it comes his performance as CM but its not so straigthforward, personal matters matter...

-Vinod
 
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Why all this started agaist Mr Hooda after he became CM. Was this not a important issue before. Now he is a CM, so we should judge him for his acts as a CM. Let court decide this dowry issue. I guess you guys would not have raised anything agains Mr Hood, if Bhajan Lal would have been CM instead. What the a great support he is getting from JATS. Let him do some good work for haryana, if he does not then go ahead.
 
rsdalal said:
Why all this started agaist Mr Hooda after he became CM. Was this not a important issue before. Now he is a CM, so we should judge him for his acts as a CM. Let court decide this dowry issue. I guess you guys would not have raised anything agains Mr Hood, if Bhajan Lal would have been CM instead. What the a great support he is getting from JATS. Let him do some good work for haryana, if he does not then go ahead.
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I FULLY AGREE WITH U
 
pup030 said:
Dear RK,
Well, to begin with I have issues with you trying to browbeat a young member for whom it may have been the first post. Your comments were uncalled for and lacked objectivity. Kindly, do not repeat this in the future with any other member as your having posted some 1000+ posts does not make you a know all and be all. Please do not sound so patronizing in the future.
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Dear Dhiren,

I am sorry that my post to Shruti appeared like a browbeat to you. Trust me, same appears about your these comments..where you are almost isssuing like a court order to me..

RK^2
 
rkumar said:
Bhai baat sun meri eb..upne ko agar jiada soorma ban raha hai naa to date or jagah decide kar le...fer dekhte hain tere ltter kitne majboot hain...naam pata de de upna..tere gaon me bhi aa jaunga...and let us us leave it here..

RK^2
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Tau aaj tay lath gaad de. Aaj tay fainsla ho kay rehwaga
 
kharku said:
Mere angne mein tumhara kya kaam hai?????????????
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ha ha ha !!!!! stylish.....

kharku said:
Bhai meri baat sun Shruti ko bhi aisa hi laga hoga. Just because she was a new member no one took her side.Thats unfair.
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But there was nothing wrong in rajendrji reply.

kharku said:
Doston ye family hai koi capitalist business nahin , lets respect each one of us equally
Family mein sab barabar hote hain..
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Yes yeh huwi na baat, Lakin apne mujhe thora sa confuse bi kar diya. Apne keha ki yeh family hai, Lakin jeha tak maie samjta hoo family maie youngers ko elders ko respect karna chiye... and jise language apne use ki wo to shyed hi family member ke sath use ki jati hogi ......we should respect our elder members with full honour as a family member....
 
mukesh_kumar007 said:
ha ha ha !!!!! stylish.....



But there was nothing wrong in rajendrji reply.



Yes yeh huwi na baat, Lakin apne mujhe thora sa confuse bi kar diya. Apne keha ki yeh family hai, Lakin jeha tak maie samjta hoo family maie youngers ko elders ko respect karna chiye... and jise language apne use ki wo to shyed hi family member ke sath use ki jati hogi ......we should respect our elder members with full honour as a family member....
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There we go Mukesh. Thanks for ur support man. Let stand strong to protect our long standing Jat heritage and culture, nut respecting our elders. Thanks dude.
 
Bhai Shruti is gone, busy fighting "male domination." Whoa ! that one was too hostile.
 
kharku said:
Dont give me this hypocritic lecture bhai mukesh.
Jo karega so bharega .

Yo ganjaliya kise ho nai kuchh bhi likh de hai
ya galat baat nahin.
Yaar be fair wo ab shayad waapas bhi na aaye
bechari shruti
we lost a family member because of this guy
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And you changed your ID to write just all this....????? have guts my friend and come in open...tell me who exactly you are...

RK^2
 
kharku said:
No the funniest part actually is that a man of your age and experience talks like a bimbo.
Baal ke saath saath akal bhi ud gayi lagta hai!!!!!
So many people have tried to tell you nicely but you dont listen eeb littar khake manya!!!!!!!!
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I am surprised that moderators don't see these kind of posts...Don't u think this guy should be banned from posting...Is this Jatland's members behaving with other members?
Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatey hain aur forums mein posting shuru kar dete hain....
 
itsnavin said:
I am surprised that moderators don't see these kind of posts...Don't u think this guy should be banned from posting...Is this Jatland's members behaving with other members?
Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatey hain aur forums mein posting shuru kar dete hain....
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There we go. More support comes in for Rajinder sir. Thanks again.

Yaar wheres Shruti. Thats the million dollar question. I though that she should be here answering to all this mess.
 
rkumar said:
Madam,

Your description of the events seems to portray as if you were present on the scene when all this happened. Noticing that this is your first post on Jatland indicates much more than what you are trying to convey. Like any sensible human being, most of us regreted this most unfotunate incidence. However, unless you have been a witness to entire happenings between the parties, please do not stretch your imaginations to empty your anger. Let us not fight their battle here as both the parties are already in court.

RK^2
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I don't see anything wrong here...instead I would appreciate Rajender ji for trying to pacify Shruti and encouraging her to post neutral views...
It's a community forum and everyone has the right to express...but there are some ways of expressing ur views...I hope Mr. kuldeep also understands this...
 
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