How CAG has lead to rise in mobile bills, electricity prices

desijat

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This is a brilliant opinion article I have read in a long time. Explains how politicizing 2G and Coal lead to rise in prices.

Vinod Rai’s “notional loss” transforms into higher consumer prices, subsidies….

Vinod Rai, the ex-CAG, will now get to see the consequences of his politicized reports. He will get to see how wrong he was in his “notional loss” theory. How this notional loss is transforming into higher consumer prices (a huge burden on the poor) and higher subsidies (a burden on the government). In the end, he will realize that at a “net” level, there was indeed “zero loss” that the government and the nation suffered in both coal and 2G. He will realize how little he achieved as a CAG after all. And in all of this, he will prove that the CAG is nothing but an accountant, something that he didn’t feel happy accepting.

If you missed all that’s been happening in telecom and coal-related sectors, here’s a summary. Telecom tariffs have gone through the roof. Most telecom companies have increased “voice” rates by 50 to 100% over the last couple of years. The days of the half-paise-per-second rates are over. Pricing at those levels is simply not affordable any longer, what with huge spectrum fees being the new way of doing business in telecom. There has also been a concomitant reduction in competition, first as the Supreme Court canceled Raja-issued licenses, and then as those who lost refused to bid preferring to simply exit the politically destroyed sector. Lesser competition always leads to higher consumer prices. Then there is also the burden of 3G license fees which telcos have to reckon with. Fees so high that not only have 3G prices become unaffordable, but 2G also. In hindsight, it was silly of Vinod Rai to benchmark 2G on irrational 3G prices, and call it a notional loss. Thanks to Vinod Rai, the whole telecom sector is in a spin now. Profitability seriously compromised. Debt piles visible afar and loan re-structurings quite the norm. What was essentially a case of last-mile corruption has ended up becoming a monster that strangled the entire sector.

Vinod Rai’s poor wisdom has cost the country dearly. Banks are facing the brunt of debt non-repayments and consequent re-structurings. Thousands of employees have lost their jobs. Most importantly, the poorest of the poor, the dhobis, electricians, locksmiths, vegetable vendors – those who made their mobile phone a substitute for a “kholi” or “shop” otherwise required to do business – have been left high and dry. Tele-density has started falling. Between them, telcos have lost nearly 50 million subscribers. Agreed, they were mostly 2nd numbers or maybe even defunct numbers, but still, a reduction in numbers doesn’t augur well for the industry. Company valuations which were linked to subscriber numbers, have started to fall, with the earliest operators, Airtel and Voda suffering the most. It’s a matter of time before the “culling” of customers extends to the fringe sections of our society. They will be pushed back into oblivion and poverty, with no recourse to business opportunities and hopes for an improvement in quality of life. Two years after Vinod Rai played his accounting tricks, the telecom sector has gone from being India’s show-piece to one of its worst performing sectors.

Sectors dependent on coal are in no better shape. Coal prices are going through the roof, as the country is having to rely more and more on imports, a strange situation considering that India is one of the biggest beneficiaries of god’s gift to mankind. But coal mining is in the pits (no pun intended), first with exploitation being limited largely to one company (CIL) and second, with the private players in cement, steel, electricity and fertilizers being made to pay top dollars for their mines. Nothing comes free Mr. Rai, and all that the government “appears” to lose is not really a loss. That loss could also be called “sharing of wealth”. Or “inclusive” growth.

Today’s papers report how electricity tariffs are expected to shoot through the roof, as coal prices climb to higher levels. Fertilizer prices are also expected to follow suit. Cement prices are already up by Rs 15-25 a 50-kg bag. Steel prices are also up by as much as Rs 1400 per tonne, as the full impact of Vinod Rai’s reports is felt on foreign exchange rates, electricity prices and railway freight rates. Vinod Rai should be happy that the country’s exchequer will make tons of money. So what if the corporate sector suffers.

If he had been a little wiser, Vinod Rai might have realized that along with it’s “topline” (auction revenues), the government’s “middle line” would also increase proportionately. The middle line here is the subsidies budget. The government will have to pay a lot more for fertilizer subsidy, since it has no intention of burdening the farmers with higher costs. It will also lead to higher electricity subsidies, since most governments like to keep electricity prices low, a habit they find politically rewarding. State Electricity Boards have increased prices by 15-30% over the last year, but that’s not enough. They are having to provide more subsidies as well. Here’s an interesting fall-out of the CAG’s reports – the notional loss has shifted from the central government’s books to the state governments’ (who have to bear the higher subsidy bill)! If only the opposition had thought of this earlier….

What’s been the net impact on the bottomline of the government? Zilch. Higher toplines (auction revenues) yes…..but higher costs (subsidies) as well. But this was perhaps much too evolved for the Harvard educated Rai. Kapil Sibal was right after all – in net terms, the government suffered “zero loss”.

Vinod Rai did not realize that the private sector made no “windfall” gains as a result of cheap resources. Actually, the citizens made the windfall gains. Cheaper resources leading to cheaper consumer prices is a philosophy that the Congress is comfortable with. The BJP perhaps prefers higher government earnings and higher consumer prices (a more elitist way of governance). The two parties have different electoral constituencies. The Congress is much more focused on the rural and urban poor; the BJP on the urban, middle class “baniya” class. Thanks to Vinod Rai, what should have been an interesting debate on the styles of the two parties, has ended up becoming a reason for Parliamentary lock-down, policy paralysis, and a very fundamental change in India’s economic model. From socialism to capitalism.

For we are becoming an out and out capitalistic country where all resources are priced at market rates. Auctions are conducted in a “revenue maximizing” manner, something that favors the big players. The smaller guys – the Sunil Mittals, the Kishore Biyanis, the Captain Gopinaths and other beneficiaries of Manmohan Singh’s 1990s reforms – can forget their dreams. It’s soon going to be back to the Tatas, the Birlas and the Ambanis. This is the new capitalistic India, where the rich will become richer and the poor poorer. The Left may want to think about this.

The real truth is that Vinod Rai’s “notional loss” is now transforming into higher consumer prices and higher government subsidies. So one form of loss (auction revenues) is converting into another form of loss (subsidies). This is Rai’s lasting legacy. A book-keeping jugglery. Vinod Rai has finally learnt that the CAG is nothing more than a book keeper, an accountant. Does this make him a Seshan? Far from it….



P.S. I have a request(yes) to readers, do not make this a Congress Vs. BJP debate and make sure you read through this instead of blindly typing. I wish to debate the article, not your inclement towards Modi or BJP.
 
Ok, how is the subsidy burden going to increase on govt when it is getting huge money from sale of 2G/3G/4G or coal blocks? They are getting money which can(should) be given to poor in form of subsidy. I do not see Govt paying from its pocket.

What is stopping govt to make laws/amendments to keep a check on price rise? This is business-poilitico nexus. Tum bhi khao hum bhi khayenge. That is why rich is getting richer and poor is getting poorer.

Vinod Rai stated that "Govt lost XXXX amount by not auctioning in a proper way". He as a CAG was supposed to do audits on the processes and procedures that Govt follows. He did what he was supposed to do and submitted the report. He exposed the corruption that Govt did, so was he wrong there?

How to make profits/loss is/was not his decision to make. This is supposed to be done by Planning Commission of India(jo 32Rs wale behude byaan deta hai).
or the financial advisors who sit in PMO.

If auctioning the coal blocks/2G helps the economy in a better way(as govt will get money), I, personally, do not mind paying few extra bucks. What pinches me is that they charge extra bucks and do not render good services and on top of that do corruption.

Government:
1. They do not control inflation (helps the business man in black marketing)
2. They do not provide good infrastruture.
3. They do not improve services provided by govt sector (look at the state of BSNL/Air India)
4. They do not prevent corruption rather are involved too.
5. They do not ask/force govt employees to perform their duties well. If someone does, then we have debates like this :)


Since this is a personal opinion who any one can write, I summarily reject this opinon that Vinod Rai lead to increase in prices.



PS : You are in bad habit of writing incomplete sentences. I wish to debate the article, not your inclement towards Modi or BJP or mine towards Congress.
 
What is stopping govt to make laws/amendments to keep a check on price rise?


This is unheard of, you mean regulate price for each commodity like Petrol and add more subsidies to itself?


Vinod Rai stated that "Govt lost XXXX amount by not auctioning in a proper way". He as a CAG was supposed to do audits on the processes and procedures that Govt follows. He did what he was supposed to do and submitted the report. He exposed the corruption that Govt did, so was he wrong there?

Nothing, but it is not his role to politicize the reports and profit maximization is not always the goal. Cheap telephony has played a very important role in India's growth and while presenting the cons of not auctioning, we must also understand the pros. As simple of a point as that.
 
This is unheard of, you mean regulate price for each commodity like Petrol and add more subsidies to itself?


Is subsidy the only option always? If you have not seen Paris, it doesn't exist?


Nothing, but it is not his role to politicize the reports and profit maximization is not always the goal. Cheap telephony has played a very important role in India's growth and while presenting the cons of not auctioning, we must also understand the pros. As simple of a point as that.


Though you have not answered my post and as always posted more questions (because you never have answers), I would let you know some very basic economics. Try not to give some lame justifications for the sake of it.

Q1. What did a poor man got by not auctioning the 2G in a better way?
Q2. What did a poor man got by not auctioning the coal blocks?

Taking questions one by one:

Q1 --> A1. They got abosultely nothing but if auctioned properly govt would have got huge money which could have been utilized elsewhere in a better way to suffice the poor.
Moving forward, how was the telephony cheap? It was a war for the customer base. They wanted to add more customer to make more profits, hence the price war. Less the prices, more the customers. Ever heard of Law of marginal utility?
Since the customers are not increasing at the expected rates now, they are charging more to keep profits intact! They are doing business and no one does business to make losses.

On part of auction, companies know that if they do not apply for some circle in auction, BSNL cannot provide good service in that circle(being notorious) and govt will then sell the spectrum at lower rate again! I believe it already reduced price in some circles. So the strategy made by the companies worked.

Q2 --> A2. Absolutely nothing. Since coal blocks were alloted for free, did the poor get the coal for free? Going by your and this personal opinion logic, we should have got the coal absolutely free (or for bare minimum) as govt did not charge the comapnies anything! I bet, no one would have run for LPG, if it was the way that you two (you and personal opinion) believe.

Now coming to your famous subsidy burden portion, how do you think (leave this personal opinion aside for a moment) govt decides who should get subsidy and who should not? Is the system good enough to determine the same? I can show you people who have 30-40 acres of land and still they have BPL cards! Irony? No, it is the flaw of the system that govt has failed to curb and people are taking advantage of. That is what is getting the govt to spend more on food subsidy.

Price check does not mean that govt needs to spend more on subsidy. They need to check the malpractices wherever or in whatever form they are present. Will they do this? No. What have they done to handicap kota chor till date? When there were no such people existing as provided in reports, doesn't that make sense that govt would have saved some money had they audited the report before releasing money?

If govt can correct the system and its way of working, there would be no need of CAG/CVC kind of agencies at all. God has gifted you brain, use it sometimes for your own good.
 
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Q1. What did a poor man got by not auctioning the 2G in a better way?

Cheaper access to IT, India has cheapest calling rates and fastest growing cell phone market. People access internet more on mobile devices than PCs, thanks to cheap prices. A poor man can conduct his entire business on phone, get educated.

Second, law of marginal utility holds partially true in the sector you are talking about. With growing customers one needs to invest only more in towers, customer care etc etc and the limited spectrum can hold only as many. If there would have been auction, the auction price would have been passed on to consumers and then you think anyone would have been happy, customer or cell phone companies?

At the outset let me also clarify that I am not denying corruption, but I think auction was never the right way to go.
Q2. What did a poor man got by not auctioning the coal blocks?

Cheap energy

These questions have simple answers, if you really want to look into it. God has given both of us brain, you choose to look at it politically and with a biased view and I choose otherwise.
 
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Cheaper access to IT, India has cheapest calling rates and fastest growing cell phone market. People access internet more on mobile devices than PCs, thanks to cheap prices. A poor man can conduct his entire business on phone, get educated.

Second, law of marginal utility holds partially true in the sector you are talking about. With growing customers one needs to invest only more in towers, customer care etc etc and the limited spectrum can hold only as many. If there would have been auction, the auction price would have been passed on to consumers and then you think anyone would have been happy, customer or cell phone companies?

At the outset let me also clarify that I am not denying corruption, but I think auction was never the right way to go.


Cheap energy

These questions have simple answers, if you really want to look into it. God has given both of us brain, you choose to look at it politically and with a biased view and I choose otherwise.


Selling natural resources at almost no cost is not correct way either. How come some companies who took spectrum at lower rates were able to sell at way too higher prices within a year if it was so cheap? It was a nexus exposed by CAG. If the spectrum was distributed fairly, the concept of cheap telephony would not have existed at all.
By the way I need to look at your dictionary what a poor man is. I have seen poor man driving rickshaw for mere 15-20 rs, ironing the clothes for 2rs per cloth, sleeping under the flyovers or footpaths, struggling to earn bread for two times a day. Never seen a poor man doing business through internet! May be in US the poor are privileged more to run business through internet on mobile! OR May be you are using the same dictionary as Ahluwalia!

If you think 5 Rs per electricity unit is cheap then its better to invent some device to eat electricity to satiate hunger of poor people. At least kisi transformer ke pass apni bhookh to mita sakte hai and make it legal. Na to bijli chori ke jurm me pakda jayega poor man.

Oh, may be telling something against govt is termed political, like Vinod Rai did. Is he a BJP agent?


PS:
1. I always analyze things as a common man and not with some political agenda. We have left it for you :)
2. Article published in a more trustworthy editorial column of a national daily is personal opinion and crap, Article published in a well known biased TOI is "brilliant". And then they say, why people are calling hypocrite! :)
 
Selling natural resources at almost no cost is not correct way either. How come some companies who took spectrum at lower rates were able to sell at way too higher prices within a year if it was so cheap? It was a nexus exposed by CAG. If the spectrum was distributed fairly, the concept of cheap telephony would not have existed at all.
If your definition of fairly is auction, you are wrong. Read the article why.

By the way I need to look at your dictionary what a poor man is. I have seen poor man driving rickshaw for mere 15-20 rs, ironing the clothes for 2rs per cloth, sleeping under the flyovers or footpaths, struggling to earn bread for two times a day. Never seen a poor man doing business through internet! May be in US the poor are privileged more to run business through internet on mobile! OR May be you are using the same dictionary as Ahluwalia!


Blame your myopic view then, there are several case studies on such poor men conducting business through mobile. Research further and you will find countries like Bangladesh are providing data and telephony as an incestive to promote learning. Ever heard of Idea and Nokia's initiative called Life Tools? Go research. And a step further, more people access internet on phone for first time than PCs, just because of this cheap IT.
Oh, may be telling something against govt is termed political, like Vinod Rai did. Is he a BJP agent?

If I go by your standards of calling me names along with 'political agenda' then yes, if I go by my standards then no. It depends on what point of view you choose because I see you have dual viewpoints, one for yourself and one for others.
 
Completely biased and an irrational article. As usual rant without any proper backing of statements. Only one view has been considered by the author of this article.

No question over why without any auction, allotment of spectrum happened? Author is right is saying that without competition, consumer get disadvantaged. But author forgot to highlight other point of view that no auction took place because of corrupt government. Coal blocks alloted on the basis of first come first serve. Corrupt Congress Government has no will to allow competition.
 
CAG blames DoT for fixing high base price for spectrum auction

New Delhi, May 28:

The Comptroller & Auditor General of India has blamed the high reserve price fixed by the Department of Telecom as the reason for the Government’s failure to sell spectrum through an auction.
The report pointed out that there were huge quantity of spectrum lying idle valued at Rs 85,014 crore. “Fixation of extremely high and artificially determined reserve price in these auctions have acted as deterrent for participation in the auctions,” stated a preliminary report sent by the Director General of Audit (Post & Telegraph) to the Department of Telecom for comments
Interestingly, the Telecom Ministry had earlier blamed the CAG for forcing the Government to fix a higher reserve price for the auction.
The audit report said that as much as 453 MHz of spectrum is available in the 1800 MHz band for last one year. “Substantial MHz of 2G spectrum was going waste due to non-utilisation as a result of inappropriate decision making process of the DoT,” the report said.
It said that the Government’s spectrum policy has allowed hoarding, wastage and manipulation by private telecom companies.
“There was wide variation in the utilisation of the spectrum by the various telecom service providers even in the prime metro service areas, which was primarily die to inefficient utilisation of the availability of spectrum. This has led to lower telecom revenues in the form of lower licence fee and spectrum usage charges to the Government.
The DoT has not taken any action to incentivise the efficient utilisation of spectrum,” the report added.
The report names several operators, including Bharti Airtel, Reliance Communications, Idea Cellular and Aircel.
“It was found that Aircel had insignificant number of subscribers in at least four service areas (Gujarat, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh) as of December 2012 in comparison to other operators, which were allocated same quantity of spectrum at the same time in these circles. It was, therefore, evident that this company was hoarding the scarce spectrum and causing huge loss to the Government exchequer,” the audit report seen by Business Line said.
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No question over why without any auction, allotment of spectrum happened? Author is right is saying that without competition, consumer get disadvantaged. But author forgot to highlight other point of view that no auction took place because of corrupt government. Coal blocks alloted on the basis of first come first serve. Corrupt Congress Government has no will to allow competition.

Corruption and Auction are 2 different aspects, you think auctions are corruption less? There have been several cases of corruption in Auction too. The author is trying to rationalise the view as to why Auction was unnecessary.

And you think auction encourages competition? Clearly you have not read the article completely then.
 
If your definition of fairly is auction, you are wrong. Read the article why.

I have already rejected the article after reading and most people with Common sense will do the same!

Blame your myopic view then, there are several case studies on such poor men conducting business through mobile. Research further and you will find countries like Bangladesh are providing data and telephony as an incestive to promote learning. Ever heard of Idea and Nokia's initiative called Life Tools? Go research. And a step further, more people access internet on phone for first time than PCs, just because of this cheap IT.

Oh ya? Are we living in Bangladesh? Mumbaikars may be!
Define poor man for me please. Is he the one who earns less than INR 32?
The Life tools are still active. Why these companies have not stopped these services if spectrum fee is such a burden for them? By the way, a person who earns 32Rs (poor) cannot be called a businessman.


If I go by your standards of calling me names along with 'political agenda' then yes, if I go by my standards then no. It depends on what point of view you choose because I see you have dual viewpoints, one for yourself and one for others.

You are judged by your words that you write here. This is what you wrote on report card thread:

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?35902-The-Report-Card&p=338371&viewfull=1#post338371

and this is starting here on this thread.
"This is a brilliant opinion article"

That sums up your hypocrite nature because first was against Congress party and second one is favoring Congress party! You forced me to bring Congress into this thread with your non-sense logics to justify the article above.
 
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Corruption and Auction are 2 different aspects, you think auctions are corruption less? There have been several cases of corruption in Auction too. The author is trying to rationalise the view as to why Auction was unnecessary.

And you think auction encourages competition? Clearly you have not read the article completely then.

Auctions are a better way to sell natural resources rather than throwing them away free of cost to allow businessman to make money at their will. Selling without auction means, govt gets nothing and corrupt people eat up all the money.
 
The one you quoted me focuses on sptectrum auction, not coal mines. On Natural resources, if the private entity is looking to sell resources or use them for their profits then yes, Auction makes sense.


Auctions are a better way to sell natural resources rather than throwing them away free of cost to allow businessman to make money at their will. Selling without auction means, govt gets nothing and corrupt people eat up all the money.
 
JUST to prove CAG wrong, Congress govt set high base price for spectrum so that no company would find it profitable to do buisness. There was no point of setting high prices for 2G when 3G is available.

High base prices for 2G would have made sense if auction had happened 10 years back. But not now. It is purely an intentional move by congress govt to prove CAG wrong. Period!
 
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Really, how? I clearly wrote in the introduction it is an opinion article Deepak and not an editorial. You may agree, or disagree but this does has some facts and an opinion that should be debated, instead of you picking on me for some personal perceptions, right?

On your argument, if you dont know something then you can choose to ask and learn instead of outrightly rejecting because you just wish to oppose the person. Anyways, here is the argument:
A) Nokia Life Tools can offer the service and farmers can affort it because the service provider(Idea) did not have to bid and pay high prices. I encourage you to read about them to know how cheap technology affected the lives of farmers and students.
B) Bangladesh is much poor to us and thus was a good reference point, but as always you were in a rutt to prove me wrong more than looking at argument
C) Here is the case study on Grameen Telephone, read it: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTEMPOWERMENT/Resources/14648_Grameen-web.pdf India also has similar services


Also, grow beyond claiming yourself to be Mr. Right and proving people always wrong, neither can you be always right nor can others be always wrong. Cheers!

You are judged by your words that you write here. This is what you wrote on report card thread:

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?35902-The-Report-Card&p=338371&viewfull=1#post338371

and this is starting here on this thread.
"This is a brilliant opinion article"

That sums up your hypocrite nature because first was against Congress party and second one is favoring Congress party! You forced me to bring Congress into this thread with your non-sense logics to justify the article above.
 
This is an illogical article.

I would support free auction of spectrum / coal provided it is done in a transparent manner and the benefits are passed to consumers. Most of the spectrum went to shell companies which sold it further to others in thousands of crores. Similar thing happened with coal.

Also if govt want to provide cheap services they should do it through a govt owned undertaking / PSU or do it with strict regulations and oversight to ensure that benefits reaches to masses.
 
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