How Jat girls think of Jat Boys?

[ajaysinghkundu]

An applaudable post !

Nicely knitted words and the ideas therein. I am also of the same opinion that every individual is different and we can never bind someone's personality in the realms of caste, profession, nationality or the likes.

Deepika cant also be said to be wrong though. She is right on the basis of what she must have witnessed around. After all we all carry our experiences and they turn up into opinions, and we are here to just see the same matter in various lights !

But to add a point, I think wife beating is more at the place where the women isnt brave enough to speak up in a bold way, or where she accepts it as an inherent attribute of womenhood or where she keeps mum waiting for the things to be sorted on their own. And the most important thing is that this all is situational !

Shweta....I fully agree to your words. Nice conclusion!!!

 

[samarkadian]

Sunita bebey,there are various kind of creatures on this earth....there are many who care for their lady wife more than their life and then there are a few who humiliate them each moment.Also there are a few ladies who never learn the tact of handling this delicate relationship based on trust,and carry on getting instigated by the environment and in turn ruining their well organized institution.There is that word called DESTINY.....we can never be sure as to why something happens to our lives....that element of truth is beyond our catch.Dukh-sukh,badtamizziyan,izzat,pyar,hamdardi,dard.sikve-shikayat and much more goes on and on in our lives...a unique life...different for every individual......so different and so bizarre so to say.

Infact, few wise words Sir.

It would be sexist if considered only from one gender's view.Male-bashing isn't really new to modern world nor wife-beating.Feminist often meow around with their typical equality cry.Infact they create more of difference between men and woman.Most of the laws in constitution favours females and social convention as well. Jat and Jatnis are not super-human with 2.5 hands and extra brains.Both of them are different.It doesnt mean that Men are superior and women are inferior.Man is natural leader and woman is natural nurture and support. They belong to same species but exist as two sub-species.Naturally, men are aggressive and women are submissive, all due to biological reasons.One behaves overtly and another covertly.One makes his principles on his logics and another builds a life on emotions/feelings.It would be foolish to expect absolute here. Now for both there are social conventions to live together as in institution called marriage. Which infact is the marriage of two egos, be it arranged, forced or love.Can't escape the ego part.

Question arises 'When, How and What' make this EGO in to wife beating,Male-bashing and ultimately smart payment to lawyers for their respective ego to get rid off the marriage officialy.No Man would have a dream and just start giving spicy rahpates to his wife and no woman would open her mouth to any third party about her miseries.What causes a dispute between couples and what is the set boundery for both is important.What, Why n How should be considered first rather than he or she.Obviously, life is not an easy cake to enjoy.

Question arises again: What is missing in fastly educated jat populous, that cases of ruined relationships, divorces are on all time high? Why even after a reasonable good career, men and women are failing in the most cherised and important part of life.? Are their foundation of MAN HOOD, WOMANHOOD, PARENTHOOD not strong enough to carry on a relationship? From where this things starts? Yes they get started from first man and woman of one child's life i.e Father and mother.

Like 30 years back or all the era before 30 years back, roles were uniquely and naturally divides as per survival instinct.i.e Man hunts and woman Nurtures.Boys were raised to be MAN and girls were raised to be WOMAN for upcoming life.Nowadays this seems imbalanced a bit or more, Boys and girls are taught to have a career first. THis consumes more than quarter of life of each.Parents too feels proud about career is settled but alas! bad news comes around when they see that their Newton/Einsteen/Madam Curie has failed miserably in the main department of life.i.e a responsible MANHOOD and WOMANHOOD. Beginning of failure starts from the root which is growing up. Growing up among strong parent role model makes a boy or girl in to successful Man n Woman in their respective lives. Hardly any jat parent would be teaching their kids about emotional strength as the most powerfull tool to be successful in life.Earlier mothers first used to teach their daughters about housewife's role. Now? Result is divorce in most cases.Same applies to boys.

Rest are just speculations regarding Who says What to Whom.

Nevertheless, whenever there is imbalance in natural role of man and woman, there would be not so good results.So it is respective duties of Boys n girls to embrace their nature fully rather than being careeristic robots.

 

[deepika]

Right Mr. Gulia,I may be knowing only say 0.02% Jats and m sure u must be knowing remaining 98.08% jats as u are staying abroad ....NO wonders u are doing wot opposition party does hahaha.O.k lets u one thing start from south delhi or north delhi or wotever part u feel like and ask all the guys all over india that wot they think of jat guys....i hope now you would not come up with some silly logic that may be all jat girls have portrayed jat guys like that all over India or i say world.

Ms. Singroha,
There may be approx. 15M jats in India. You may be knowing, let us say 1500 or to be on higher side 3000. You have drawn your conclussions from the life of these 3000 persons and applied those results to the whole population of jats. 3000 is just 0.02% of the jats population. The strata of people you observed may not be homogeneous to give true results. For example, if we survey only south Delhi for prosperity, can you apply that results to whole country that people of India are rich. Do you think what you saw and observed in your life will give a clear picture of the community?

I will say that we might have seen or observed unfair treatment towards women in our community that does not mean you replicate the results of your own observation to the community as a whole.
Thanks.

 

[deepika]

Mr Dalal,First of all u dont have to get personal.As far as i know i haven't mentioned anywhere that i don't want to get married to a jat guy so i have no clue why r u assuming that Most probablly i will marry a jat guy only(not beacuse i think they make good husbands but i have my own reasons for that).To u it sounds like some perconcieved notion but tht's how most of the jat guys are and tht's how ppl all over world(who really know abt our community)think abt jat guys.May be u are one of those sophisticated jat guys who are not into it.And as u say here are a"LOT" of nice jat guys then do me a favour.Do find one for me...i would love to marry a "Nice jat guy" hahaha...I will really die laughing now.Anyways as i have said before and i maintain the same tht not all jat guys are like tht.Now even if u argue abt it throughout life it won't be over everrrrrrr.....

Ms. Deepika, I am sorry, but you didn't get the point. I have absolutely no issues if you don't want to get married to a Jat. You are a free citizen of a free country (assuming you are Indian), and are free to do whatever you want. But what you are doing in your analysis is using stereotypes (Army Officers are most polished/disciplined, Jats are cruel and dominating). And the problem with stereotypes is that they are often wrong. If you read my post again and if you care a wee bit about logical analysis, you'd know where you are wrong. I don't deny that you know of many Jat ladies who get beaten up by their husband. But then I know about Brahman/Gujjar/Thakur/Surd ladies who are abused by their husbands. Does that mean that all members of those caste are abusive as well? And you can find army officers from other castes as well who beat their wives. Honestly, if you take each example as a rule, then you won't have any guy left to get married to (As you can find atleast one- probably many more- person in each community of India who beats his wife).

The issue has much more to do with education, status of women, one's surroundings and exposure to new ideas. I would imagine most of your examples are middle-aged or older people. Those guys grew up in a different world. In our generation, such incidents should be lower. Of course, there would still be wife-beaters around, but they are not specifically present in Jats (The most developed countries have their share as well).

As for marriage, that was not the topic of the thread. However, since you mentioned it, I must say that I found your reasons to be a bit silly. Not the decision, as that's your inalienable right, but just the reasons you used.Like quenching curiosity one. Marriage is not a meal you are going to try. It is going to stick with you for the life time (assuming that's the plan). And plus if you are really so curious, one guy will have only one caste, one behavior, one culture and one country- your experience would be restricted to just one. Curiosity is never quenched by one. For a happy marriage, there can't be a generic solution like marry a jat or don't marry a jat. As marriage has very little to with the caste, and much more to do with the individuals. The individual you desire may not be a Jat. But doesn't mean that he can not be a Jat as a rule.

 

[devdahiya]

Lets not make this discussion gender based.The subjectivity of any kind sends us away from the truth.And the truth is that human behavior is most complex and strange(if i can say so) No two individuals are same and the problem is further compounded by the unique desires we all have,dreams,deficiencies,comparisons,egos,greed,uncontrollable tongue,complexes,hunger,attitudes and what have you.No statement thus can be perfect to describe this syndrome as to why a few male have this tendency of using physical power against women and why a few female do not find adjustment in a particular environment ( ill treatment of female at large since ages not withstanding}........It is very difficult TO STOP THIS NONSENSE COMPLETELY as it is impossible to analyze the behavior of each individual on this planet as there is an independent life in the four wall of each house hold and why it happens at place A and not at place B is a tall order.


Its a very complex world and this issue is much more complex than that."GOD HAS GIVEN US CERTAIN FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTES AND THEY WILL SURFACE WHEN WE LEAD A LIFE WITH SOME ONE ELSE AND WHEN WE TRAVEL THROUGH THAT ROUTE THERE HAVE TO BE CLASHES AND UNFORTUNATELY MIGHTIER WINS( SO IS THE RULE OF THIS WORLD CALLED HUMAN JUNGLE"( even if it is not acceptable or civil).....Life goes on and so go along these smaller and bigger issue.A permanent solution to all conflicting issues in this world was never found and will not be found.It boils down to individuals as to what they wish to make of their lives and how they wish to treat each other.

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

Mr Dalal and Gulia ji, u r wasting yr time. have u not seen the signature of Deepika ji
PS- @ Deepika ji- pl dont take seriously, a wanted some humor in this hot thread.

 

[sunitahooda]

No Sanjeev....you can utilize your time in JUDGING DEEPIKA but it'll still go wastedcuz she doesn't give a damnI also wanted some sarcastic humor in this thread...please dont mind....m sure you wont because" You not only HAVE the MIND...You use it well"

Mr Dalal and Gulia ji, u r wasting yr time. have u not seen the signature of Deepika ji
PS- @ Deepika ji- pl dont take seriously, a wanted some humor in this hot thread.

 

[deepika]

Justnow i read ur signature!it reads tht its not enough to have a good mind but to use it well.And i can see how u r utilizing it well by reading others singature and passing comments.Ek ache mind wale aadmi ko itna faltu kaam shobha nai deta:tamatar
P.Slease don't mind it too Sanjeev jee. I also tried my best to add 'More' humor to the thread

Mr Dalal and Gulia ji, u r wasting yr time. have u not seen the signature of Deepika ji
PS- @ Deepika ji- pl dont take seriously, a wanted some humor in this hot thread.

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

Justnow i read ur signature!it reads tht its not enough to have a good mind but to use it well.And i can see how u r utilizing it well by reading others singature and passing comments.Ek ache mind wale aadmi ko itna faltu kaam shobha nai deta:tamatar
P.Slease don't mind it too Sanjeev jee. I also tried my best to add 'More' humor to the thread

Thanks for more humor, there is no question to mind any thing. i started this one with same sense only and thanks for updating me about the signature that reading others signature is prohibited being a private profile part. Earlier i thought that signatures r displayed here for everyone.

 

[vpannu]

They think a lot

With so many posts, one can now easily conclude that Jat girls think a lot about Jat boys:rock.

 

[kapdal]

Ms. Deepika- I was not getting personal, at least that was not the intention. I had said that it is your decision who you want to marry. It is none of my business anyways. But if some girl tells me how most Jats beat their wives, and then goes ahead with 3 reasons for not marrying them, I am bloody hell going to assume that she doesn't want to get married to a Jat. And no sane person in the world can fault me for making that assumption. As earlier, you miss the logic and arguments given by me only to make blatant statements like "tht's how most of the jat guys are and tht's how ppl all over world(who really know abt our community)think abt jat guys". No logic, no evidence. Should we treat you as bhgawaan ka awtaar and just take your words at face value?

I hope you atleast see the utter lack of coherence between your believes and your actions. You find so many faults with Jat guys but still in all likelihood, you would marry one of them. That's like a chicken falling in love with the butcher. I remember reading somewhere about 4 categories of people (No prizes for guessing which category you are in )

One who knows not and knows not that he knows not is ignorant.Ignore him.

One who knows not and knows that he knows not is simple.Teach him.

One who knows and knows not that he knows is sleeping. Wake him.

One who knows and knows that he knows is wise. Learn from him.

Mr Dalal,First of all u dont have to get personal.As far as i know i haven't mentioned anywhere that i don't want to get married to a jat guy so i have no clue why r u assuming that Most probablly i will marry a jat guy only(not beacuse i think they make good husbands but i have my own reasons for that).To u it sounds like some perconcieved notion but tht's how most of the jat guys are and tht's how ppl all over world(who really know abt our community)think abt jat guys.May be u are one of those sophisticated jat guys who are not into it.And as u say here are a"LOT" of nice jat guys then do me a favour.Do find one for me...i would love to marry a "Nice jat guy" hahaha...I will really die laughing now.Anyways as i have said before and i maintain the same tht not all jat guys are like tht.Now even if u argue abt it throughout life it won't be over everrrrrrr.....

 

[poonamchaudhary]

Every person in this world has his/her own perception about things and people. There is nothing wrong with that. Our perceptions are shaped by our experiences which are limited to our own sphere of life. When we share our views about something then these perceptions come into picture and we try to make judgements on the basis of these narrow perceptions. But we all are prone to fall into this trap. If someone passes such biased statements then we must desist from sounding punitive. Lets refrain from it. These threads are subjective in nature and invite people to come up with their own views. Let them do that. A judgement passed here by anyone doesnt stand as a universal law applicable to all. Respecting others opinion and expressing one's own should be the way to go. At the same time we must be responsible enough to realise what kind of words we are using and what kind of views we are expressing.

Jats too are humans and possess the same kind of human attributes as other communities possess. What jat boys are like or what jat girls are like is not much different from what boys are like or what girls are like. If men beat their wives then its not just Jat men who do so rather it cuts across the barriers of communities and can be seen in men in general. Lets refrain from passing sexist remarks. We are being gender biased here which may take the whole discussion in the wrong direction.

 

[deepika]

There u are!Mr. Dalal if i was being polite it doesn't mean that i can't use rude remarks(if provoked).Secondly its not just me who thinks that way most of the jat girls think that way.I am not any bhagwan ka awataar or something but i am sure u are also not one right?So we also can't take ur words at face value As far as category is concerned u also fall in one of these and m sure u also know in which one And one more thing u r talking of evidences m sure u have got lot of evidences and logics to prove tht i am wrong.Fine then u prove to us.I am not some bhagwaan ka avtar but u,for sure,think tht u are head of JAT GUYS ASSOCIATION...who is doing every bit to show tht jat guys r the best.As far as marrying to jat guy is concerned call it wotever but girl is not only a female she has a lot of roles to play a daughter,a sister and many more so jat parents ofcourse will wish their daughter to get married to jat guy.So a chicken falling for butcher thing doesn't really apply to me.Though i din't want to reveal my reason for considering jat guys for wedding but ur weird remark forced me to write tht one.And hey i am surpried u just know abt only four categories

Ms. Deepika- I was not getting personal, at least that was not the intention. I had said that it is your decision who you want to marry. It is none of my business anyways. But if some girl tells me how most Jats beat their wives, and then goes ahead with 3 reasons for not marrying them, I am bloody hell going to assume that she doesn't want to get married to a Jat. And no sane person in the world can fault me for making that assumption. As earlier, you miss the logic and arguments given by me only to make blatant statements like "tht's how most of the jat guys are and tht's how ppl all over world(who really know abt our community)think abt jat guys". No logic, no evidence. Should we treat you as bhgawaan ka awtaar and just take your words at face value?

I hope you atleast see the utter lack of coherence between your believes and your actions. You find so many faults with Jat guys but still in all likelihood, you would marry one of them. That's like a chicken falling in love with the butcher. I remember reading somewhere about 4 categories of people (No prizes for guessing which category you are in )

One who knows not and knows not that he knows not is ignorant.Ignore him.

One who knows not and knows that he knows not is simple.Teach him.

One who knows and knows not that he knows is sleeping. Wake him.

One who knows and knows that he knows is wise. Learn from him.

 

[vikrantsiwag]

As far as marrying to jat guy is concerned call it wotever but girl is not only a female she has a lot of roles to play a daughter,a sister and many more so jat parents ofcourse will wish their daughter to get married to jat guy.

I completely can't understand what u r trying to say here Deepika. Can u kindly elaborate this line a little more??

 

[kapdal]

Deepika- I never asked my words to be taken at face value. I gave some arguments based on logic in my previous posts, which you never bothered to reply. Instead you kept on repeating your perceptions. I NEVER said or even implied that Jat guys are the best (that was not even the debate, was it?). I was just trying my best to approach the debate a bit rationally. But you can only take the camel to water, you can't make it drink it. I am not going to argue with you on this further.

There u are!Mr. Dalal if i was being polite it doesn't mean that i can't use rude remarks(if provoked).Secondly its not just me who thinks that way most of the jat girls think that way.I am not any bhagwan ka awataar or something but i am sure u are also not one right?So we also can't take ur words at face value As far as category is concerned u also fall in one of these and m sure u also know in which one And one more thing u r talking of evidences m sure u have got lot of evidences and logics to prove tht i am wrong.Fine then u prove to us.I am not some bhagwaan ka avtar but u,for sure,think tht u are head of JAT GUYS ASSOCIATION...who is doing every bit to show tht jat guys r the best.As far as marrying to jat guy is concerned call it wotever but girl is not only a female she has a lot of roles to play a daughter,a sister and many more so jat parents ofcourse will wish their daughter to get married to jat guy.So a chicken falling for butcher thing doesn't really apply to me.Though i din't want to reveal my reason for considering jat guys for wedding but ur weird remark forced me to write tht one.And hey i am surpried u just know abt only four categories

 

[jyotikohar]

Yaar Ritu & Jyoti apney ghar aalyan ki tareef mai tum nayi thread chala lyopar aade nyu bata dyo akk tum JAT chhoryan ke barey mai ke socho so....apart from Baap/Bhai/Pati/Beta....to judge them on a general criteria....

bebe ...........apne ghar aalye JAT ae sain koisa bahri jaati ka nahi..............arr koi tarif nahi kari saachi saachi baat likhi hai ..............mere tae aaj tayi samjh nahi aaya akk jat chore/man kise hon sain...................ye teen ghane close tae dekhe sain arr teenu nyare nyare ................so main tae katti kardi confusion me sun

 

[mamtadg]

The guys

if it comes to jat boys ................ Woow is the word..........

 

[sunitahooda]

Confuse manna hoya kar baat-baat pai....manne bi teenu ke barey mai kittey uppaar si likh di hai Arr aur to chahe kisse bi hon par Darpokk kati na hellya jaa

bebe ...........apne ghar aalye JAT ae sain koisa bahri jaati ka nahi..............arr koi tarif nahi kari saachi saachi baat likhi hai ..............mere tae aaj tayi samjh nahi aaya akk jat chore/man kise hon sain...................ye teen ghane close tae dekhe sain arr teenu nyare nyare ................so main tae katti kardi confusion me sun

 

[sumitsehrawat]

Woow? Im sorry ye kya hota hai? I hope aapne second "w" mistype nahi kiya hai "f" ki jageh... hehehe !!

if it comes to jat boys ................ Woow is the word..........

 

[deepika]

If u can't understand it then its of no use even if i try to elaborate.I think its really simple and even a dumb person can understand what i actually want to convey

I completely can't understand what u r trying to say here Deepika. Can u kindly elaborate this line a little more??