How Nehru Let Us Down

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jitender_singh said:
Sir,

Please don't follow a british path..

Today in morning I was reading a english newspaper. there were few remarks about kashmir, British still pronounce its as a disputed land not a integral part of India. For them its just a piece of land for which both India and Pakistan are fighting for years.

Why dont they tell something about Ireland, ????????///

Regards
Jitender

After 7/7 British know now what it takes to create nations on religious ideology...They have started harvesting the crop which they sowed ..Don't think that USA is siding with India just because they like our names or faces. They are realising the mistakes of supporting Pakistan which ofcourse they can not admit openly...Just watch in coming months and years what will happen...World is realigning againts terrorism in a very significant manner... However, once again this has nothing to do with Godse..I consider Godse a very mean and insignificant person.

RK^2

RK^2
 
How do we know the Definition of 'INNOCENCE'

rkumar said:
Subhash Chander Bose never killed any innocent person. He lead an army against British who were ruling India. So did Bhagat Singh. Bhagat Singh and his friends acted againts British. Let us not glorify a murderer like Godse by putting his name in the same league as o Bhagat Singh just for the sake of arguments. There is no end to such logics as that will glorify even Chambal decoits.

RK^2


Respected uncle ji may i request you to say a few words about innocence as it seems to me a HUGE word.


Due respect
 
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I fully agreed British realized thier mistake.only CIA and MI5 had prepared Bin laden to fight against soviet forces in afghanistan.Even mayor of london accept it.

Well, i don't think US is with India or Pakistan . pakistan is just act as a catalyst for them to keep an eye on south-asia.

Today, even father of mohammad atta( who crashed plane in world trade tower in 2001) declared its a start of holy war after july7 attack.

Well , i don't think godse is terrorist , he didn't spread any terror by killing mahatma gandhi.

Regards
Jitender






rkumar said:
After 7/7 British know now what it takes to create nations on religious ideology...They have started harvesting the crop which they sowed ..Don't think that USA is siding with India just because they like our names or faces. They are realising the mistakes of supporting Pakistan which ofcourse they can not admit openly...Just watch in coming months and years what will happen...World is realigning againts terrorism in a very significant manner... However, once again this has nothing to do with Godse..I consider Godse a very mean and insignificant person.

RK^2

RK^2
 
The IRA and London Bombings!

I came across this very funny cartoon....
Talk about home grown terrorism!

By the way, isn't there something else in the news today about more acts having been foiled by scotland 'yarn' in London??? Apparently something again in the subways etc...
 
There is no doubt that all the gandhi are the reason why india cannot become strong nation.
All these trust should be out under india govt supervision.
 
First of all i would like to thank you all for showing so much interest in this thread.
Now Jitender i fully agree with you because agar Nathu Ram Godse Gandhi ko nahin udata to pata nahin wo india ke aur kitne tukde kara deta.Kitne hi hindu marte aur pata nahin kya kya hota.I read an incident once about the day Bhagat Singh was to be hanged.On the eve of that day Gandhi along with Neharu went to see the britishers and in a 4 hour meeting he did not say a single word about excusing Bhagat Singh. Britisheres ne unki kuchh baatien maan li aur ye log wahaan se chup chap nikal aaye.Wo chahta to bhagat singh ki saza rukwa sakta tha.
Nathu ram godse ne to khud suli pe chadkar hamare jaison ki raksha ki hai.
Well keep posting guys and i thank you all again.

jitender_singh said:
Before came to conclusion , see who he killed and why he killed ( after saw a mass massacre of hindus during partition )..
 
I cannot believe this thread has degenerated into a Gandhi-bashing and Godse-hailing discussion.

Very interesting, but quite unbelievable indeed.
 
Gandhi was a great guy. But I still have some doubts about him. The other day I was reading his autobiography. He spoke about how he still regrets that he wasnt by his dads bedside, when he was dying, becuase he was all to eager to bang his wife. ouch! One thing is for sure, Gandhi was a "tharkee" too when he was younger. When he became old, he preached otherwise.
 
ozyjat said:
Now Jitender i fully agree with you because agar Nathu Ram Godse Gandhi ko nahin udata to pata nahin wo india ke aur kitne tukde kara deta.Kitne hi hindu marte aur pata nahin kya kya hota.I read an incident once about the day Bhagat Singh was to be hanged.On the eve of that day Gandhi along with Neharu went to see the britishers and in a 4 hour meeting he did not say a single word about excusing Bhagat Singh. Britisheres ne unki kuchh baatien maan li aur ye log wahaan se chup chap nikal aaye.Wo chahta to bhagat singh ki saza rukwa sakta tha.
Nathu ram godse ne to khud suli pe chadkar hamare jaison ki raksha ki hai.
Well keep posting guys and i thank you all again.

some one has rightly said that "A critic is a man who knows the way but lack of courage to drive the Car "

by the way whatever you have written in ur post is completely out of logic and unbelievable too.
 
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Bhai re tu bhi kasuti baat kha gya, jisa bhi tha apne tai bada tha yaar umar main ye baat nahin kahni chahiyen.Baaki teri marji.Just wanted to say this to you as a Jatland community member.
dahiyarules said:
Gandhi was a great guy. But I still have some doubts about him. The other day I was reading his autobiography. He spoke about how he still regrets that he wasnt by his dads bedside, when he was dying, becuase he was all to eager to bang his wife. ouch! One thing is for sure, Gandhi was a "tharkee" too when he was younger. When he became old, he preached otherwise.
 
dahiyarules said:
Gandhi was a great guy. But I still have some doubts about him. The other day I was reading his autobiography. He spoke about how he still regrets that he wasnt by his dads bedside, when he was dying, becuase he was all to eager to bang his wife. ouch! One thing is for sure, Gandhi was a "tharkee" too when he was younger. When he became old, he preached otherwise.

One needs very strong character to say truth like this. Nothing wrong in being Tharkee I suppose. This is human trait and most males have it. Gandhi was great Indian and great world citizen.

RK^2
 
Nehru , Gandhi they were all same. If he was so good for India and bad for foreign rulers, he would have been killed much before that. But Indians took long time to understand his reality.

People who believe that Gandhi and Nehru kinds were good for India are either foolish or trying to be politicians.
 
gaganjat said:
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People who believe that Gandhi and Nehru kinds were good for India are either foolish or trying to be politicians.

Bhai Gagan,

Being a film-critic does not make one hero of the film. Anyone can give advice sitting in commentary box. Gandhi and Nehru had no dire needs to jump in fray like many other maharajas of India at that time. Neither of them knew when India would be free and if at all she would be free in their lifetime.

Not agreeing with your version does not amount to be foolish or politician. Like you have your conviction, we too have our very strong logic and conviction about the contributions of people in nation building. Gandhi is one person who changed the fate of not only India, but of many people in many countries. Many leaders drew inspirations from his style of functioning. Let us not be under the illusion that intelligence is monopoly of only few.

RK^2
 
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No Point

Respected members,

There is no logic in discussing any thing when we do not tolerate other's point of view and start passing aspirtions stealthly designed in our cocoons. All including Gandhi had their weaknesses and Commited blunders due to poor foresight,their larger than a mortal image not withstanding. Gandhi was a great man, no one can dispute that but he must account for his undoings too. Let us not take extreme positions and start rebuking each other.




due respect
 
My conclusion came from the results they have given to India. We have to be on one side but the right one.

rkumar said:
Bhai Gagan,

Being a film-critic does not make one hero of the film. Anyone can give advice sitting in commentary box. Gandhi and Nehru had no dire needs to jump in fray like many other maharajas of India at that time. Neither of them knew when India would be free and if at all she would be free in their lifetime.

Not agreeing with your version does not amount to be foolish or politician. Like you have your conviction, we too have our very strong logic and conviction about the contributions of people in nation building. Gandhi is one person who changed the fate of not only India, but of many people in many countries. Many leaders drew inspirations from his style of functioning. Let us not be under the illusion that intelligence is monopoly of only few.

RK^2
 
I agreed, gandhi was a effective speaker and was famous in whole world due to his non-violence policy.

But I cannot support his work, wat he had did to India.

He did education of law from Uk and later on went to South africa for practice.and when Gora log threw him out from the train, he suddenly feel the act of racism and imperialism..

Why he didn't realize that at the time of education in UK.............

Regards
Jitender



rkumar said:
Bhai Gagan,

Being a film-critic does not make one hero of the film. Anyone can give advice sitting in commentary box. Gandhi and Nehru had no dire needs to jump in fray like many other maharajas of India at that time. Neither of them knew when India would be free and if at all she would be free in their lifetime.

Not agreeing with your version does not amount to be foolish or politician. Like you have your conviction, we too have our very strong logic and conviction about the contributions of people in nation building. Gandhi is one person who changed the fate of not only India, but of many people in many countries. Many leaders drew inspirations from his style of functioning. Let us not be under the illusion that intelligence is monopoly of only few.

RK^2
 
Those who like Gandhi and those who oppose, are like two banks of a river. Let us be there where we are and enjoy the flow of water in between...

RK^2
 
I swear that I read this in his own autobiography. I can provide the text for evidence. I myself was shocked when I read this. In our schools they teach us about "Gandhi the saint." However I absolutely adore the person. I have read about a lot of people of modern times, but never came across anyone as honest and cleanhearted as Gandhi. I have travelled over many countries, and the first thing that comes to people's mind, when they hear about India is Gandhi. Hes like our brand ambassador. Put this in contrast to Pakistan, whose brand ambassadors are Jehadis, islamic fundamentalists, and Army dictators. So we are not doing that bad over all.
 
Dear All.

This is what I wrote on Gandhi in Oct 2003.

"Gandhiji name does inspire extreme reactions from individuals, more so from the younger generation. I am 45 years young and please don't count me in the older generation. Since the discussion has thrown up many side issues, may I attempt to give my views.

Dear Shailendra: It is a fact that people who have travelled far have always had a better perspective. Now I don't mean to say that one who hasn't dosen't. Historically communities who have dared to travel (Or displaced) have done well. They have occupied new lands, captured and killed if need be. The history of JATS points to this fact. We travelled and conquered. It was in this context that I said that progress of our community can be pointed to the fact that our grandfathers fought in WW I & II. By no means it means that those who didn't fight with or for the British have made no progress.

Points have been made regarding why Britishers ruled us and what were our Rajas doing. The fact is simple. The Rajas were enjoing and the 'Praja' was too weak to protest. Whenever someone from the 'Praja' decided to fight against the oppresor he fought. If he succeeded he ruled. If he failed he was hung. As simple as that. And let me remind my friends that if we become weak again, we would be 'gulams' again. And this time it may not be the Britishers, may be the Bangladeshis. (I know I am going to stir some really nasty comments: Can't help it as truth is always bitter). And there is no real Gandhi today to electrify the masses.

When did Gandhiji say that Non-violence means that you don't defend yourself against Armed agression. He had very clear views on fighting for your motherland. Comparing non-violence with cowardice is incorrect.
No one has said that it was Gandhiji who gave us freedom. Even Gandhiji never claimed so. He was not even present in Delhi when 'Chacha Nehru' unfurled the Tri-colour. I think Gandhiji was in Kolkata fighting communal forces. Achieveing freedom was like achieveing God. You follow different routes to do that. No one has denounced the role played by Chandershekar 'Azad', Bhagat Singh and Subhash Chandra Bose. They did what they thought was correct. But to think that those who were in the Indian National Army (INA) were more loyal than the Indian Army of that time is totally incorrect. By the way there are doubts about the contribution of INA towards the freedom struggle and Independence. May be some one more knowledgeable can throw some light in a separate discussion. My study of Military History says that they hardly fought a battle of consequence in the Eastern Front (Burma War) and were used mainly as porters and camp followers by the Japanese. (Again I am stepping into a very sentimental area, but facts are facts). However, what SC Bose did, no one else, including Gandhiji, could do. Even though Gandhiji remains the tallest Indian in my eyes, others contributions can't be wished away.

Let me for a moment take you all back to your villages in the 50s & 60s (Those who were not born can ask their elders). Whose photographs or poeters did you see in your 'Haveli's' and houses. I am 99.9% on the dot when I say that the Photos were of Gandhiji, Sir Chhotu Ram, Swami Dayanand, Shaheed Bhagat Singh, Chandershekhar Azad and may be, just may be that of Nehru. Later Shastriji's photos were also added. And ofcourse that 'Geeta ka Updesh' ka poster (Krishna and Arjun) was a must.

I thought a formal congratulations was not needed for those who have a different view point. We are all 'ONE', brothers and sisters on this JATLAND site. I am sure we respect each other and that would naturally mean each others views as well. An old saying "If two people agree with each other on all issues, one of them is surely mad". It is important to have different viewpoints on issues.

Where is Jitender Singh Hooda who started this discussion on Gandhiji? Bhai Hooda, hope you are not reading 'My Experiments with Truth' before giving your considered opinion!!! (08 Oct 2003)"

Regards,

JS Malik
 
Col Malik ji, A very balanced write-up, I really liked reading it. Thanks!


Rajendra ji,

I agree with what you said -- Gandhi does today and will continue to evoke strong emotions. One thing seems certain: We can agree with his ideologies or we can disagree with his ideologies or we can even hate him as a person, but we will never be able to ignore his role in our civilization....

Personally, I believe in many ideas that Gandhi stood for (like social and political). And from today's perspective, I also am not so sure about value of a few of his other ideas (like some economic). But I never doubt Gandhi's intent, and his great leadership abilities. Gandhi was one person who did what he preached. "Be the change, you want to see in the world", he said. And he did. I'm not sure if anyone amoungst us or our great leaders today can say that. Albert Einstein once said, "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood.".......the strong emotions both in favor of and against Gandhi's contribution show that Einstein was right; we, on the whole, remain as perplexed on this topic as ever!


rkumar said:
Those who like Gandhi and those who oppose, are like two banks of a river. Let us be there where we are and enjoy the flow of water in between...
RK^2
 
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