I Hate Girls ??? read - WHY?

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Dear All ,

It's nice to have ur sharings at this general talk topic .

But i think that many of u have stressed on the initial part and the catching word of this topic heading .


I have clearly mentioned


"No doubt Women should be given respect as they are our JANANI's , SISTER's , Wives,Dayghter's and NARI have a immense respect in Indian Culture ."

BUT STILL THERE ARE SOME GENERAL ISSUES -

"" I am yet to understand the double standard our society adopts when there is a female involved.

Why should we accord them special status?

How are they different from us?

Science says except for a certain chromosome, which determines the sex of a child, there isn't much difference between the birth of a male and a female.

Why, then, this discrimination?

In public transports, I see people vacating their seats for a standing woman -- out of 'respect' for her.

I still don't understand why men are not respected the same way.

What if it is an old man or a young boy carrying a heavy bag?

Would they be offered a seat with the same alacrity?

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PLEASE
COMMENT ON THE ABOVE MENTIONED PARA ..

Many of us are also such persons who do these without even noticing these or taking it as a part of our behaviour .

I AM STRONGLY AGREE TO WHAT

JAGMOHAN MALIK JI
SEWA SINGH JI
AND
SUJATA DAHIYA JI

HAS SAID .

SUJATA JI i am agree that all the fingers are not equal and that both male and females are doing wrong sometimes .

It's not that i am having all these at heart but by this topic i want to catch the people perspective

ONLY TO THOSE AREAS WHERE THEY ARE HAVING DUAL BEHAVIOUR BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN .

IT'S NOT TRUE .


DHARAMPAL JI , STILL USING JI ,

I WAS HAVING A GOOD PICTURE OF U AND FEELING U TO BE A RESPECTABLE PERSON.

BUT THIS REPLY OF UR'S IS NEITHER A MATURE ONE AND NOR IT GIVES A GOOD PICTURE OF Ur's .

I WILLNOT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOU BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN MY NATURE AND NOR IT IS EXPECTED FROM U BEING AN OLD AND MATURE PERSON .

WAISE KAHENE KO TO BAHUT KUCH HO SAKATA HAI .....

JITEN
 
Dear jitander
Sachai hamasa kadavi hoti hae.
I do not know you. It is wrong to ask for advice for personal problem on public platform of this nature.
if you do than you should be open mind for every rude - good- bad suggestion.
When some one said this is your problem. you should have close the topic.
a normal person will never try to fool himself by making joke of himself.
i only made general remarks in good faith that 10% people have medical reason. You may not need that help but it may help some one who is more shy.
Ji kah ya gali dae. kisi ko koe bimari hae to medical help laeni chahiye- samjhdari ki baat hae - yah sabhi per lagu hoti han.
Personal issue bana kar kue logo ko maja daeta hae.
topic nae band kar- isimae samajhdari hae.
 
It's not a matter of person or social one .

This is not a reply of the topic i have written.

Sachai kadavi hoti hai , i am not denying and also saying again that fun can be made of u also it's not a big thing , I was having an idea that u must be some cultured person but i found u to be


-------

I am again in limits.
So , again review ur reply

jiten
 
YAh to hate list badh ti ja rahi hae.
girls ki jagah- abhi adami bhi hate list mae samil hogae han.
this is not a platform for personal issue. what is your problems
i requst to the moderators and adm. to close this type of hate mail for ever. nahi to jatland 1 hamour site hi rah jayagi.
 
If it not personal not social. this is a hate mail. so why this one here .
what good it will bring.
12 sal pahaly kisi chori ny pani gaer diya. aab yo gumada phota.
asi hate mail sy duniya to majak kargi- kiskis ka muh vad karga ??
 
Dear jitender ,
Mai apke is sawal ka javab de rahi hu aap par koi ilzaam nahi laga rahi kripya prem say padiyega . Ladkiyo kay liye log bus mai seat kyo chodd detay hai ? ya kyo unke liye alag say seats reserve hoti hai ? Jabki stree aur purusho ko saman darja diya jata hai etc etc , Lekin aap bataeye kya streeyo ko vakai mai samaan darja diya jata hai ? Maine buses mai jyada safar nahi kya lekin jitna bhi kiya accha nahi laga . Streeyo kay sath buses mai ya doosare public places chahe vo kisi railway station ka que ho ya kisi aur office ka que ho girls kay liye separate que ka provision kyo hota hai ? kyoki sabhi purush is duniya mai sabhya nahi hai , vo aisai jagaho par streeyo kay sath badtamizi karne ka mauka dhoondhatay hai . kuch sabhya log jo ki aisay mai streeyo ko pareshan hote hue dekhtay hai toh unke liye seat khali kar detay hai ya unhe bina que mai lage khud hi unka kaam karva detay hai . Mera khud ka experience hai hum log vaishno devi gaye hue thay vaha darshan karne ke liye no. liya jata hai , uske liye kafi lambi kataar lagi hui thi jismai ki ek kataar streeyo ki thi aur ek purusho ki thi . Un mai say kuch purusho nay aitraaz kiya ki strreeyo ko alag que kyo banane diya . Un mai jo log cheekh cheekh kar ladies que ka virodh kar rahe thay darasal unke sath koi stree nahi thi aur isliye unhe lambe que mai lagna pad raha tha , aur jin logo ki wife ya behen ya koi aur female relative sath thi vo ladies que ki tarafdari kar rahe thay , khair lad jhagad kar ladies ko unhone apne que mai lagne par majboor kar diya . Mai ye sab chup chap door khadi dekh rahi thi . Phir jo streeya us que mai purusho kay sath khadi thi waha chedchaad shuru ho gai . Aur streeya jyadatar aisay mauko par chup ho jati hai . Muje ye sab dekh kar bohot gussa aaya toh maine un aadmiyo par teekhay genral comments kiye toh meri friend muje pakad kar door le gai . Muje vo sab dekh kar bohot gussa bhi aaya aur depression bhi hua . Ab aap hi bataeye ki agar apki sister , mom ya koi bhi aisi stree jisi aap izzat kartay hai ap chaengay ki uske sath aisa ho ? Aap apni behen ya beti kay sath bus mai safar kar rahe ho aur vo simat simat kar apke nazdeek aati ja rahi ho toh kya aap nahi chahenge ki usay seat mile ? kya aap bus mai seat par baithengay aur apni sister ko bus kay khachakach passage me khada rehne dengay ? kya aap apni behen kay liye seat khali nahi karengay ?
Agar aap apni behen kay liye seat khali nahi karengay toh mai kahoongi vakai ye system galat hai , aisa nahi hona chahiye .
STREE AUR PURUSHO KO YADI SAMAN DARJA DIYA GAYA HAI TOH KYO PURUSH STREEYO KAY SATH AISI GHATIYA HARKATAY KARTAY HAI ?
KYO UNHE BHI EK INSAN KI TERH REHNE NAHI DIYA JATA ?
KYO SIRF UNHE EK INSAAN NAHI MANA JATA ?
 
Dear Jitu Sir, Sujata Ji, and Dudee Uncle,

What is happening out here is an debate making no sense. There is one having grudge with a particular part of the society due to evils of few of them, and justifying himself again and again. Ther is no need to it, we agree, that it happened to you. But just think would you say 'I hate my sister because somebody sister did the evil?' No way. And niether you should.
Sujata ji, and Dudee uncle, I know the person involved personally, and assure that there is not problem like somebody in the west are facing. It is just an matter of getting a platform to throw away his feeling and he did. Maybe he was unaware of the consequencies of throwing up such an issue on a public place is niether ethical and nor logical.
Finally, i would like the discussion to be finished with as good the feeling as it was before the beginning of this issue.
Jitu Sir, "Nobody is good for everybody, and nobody is bad for everybody."
Hope you understand.

PS: Do not hurt the feelings of anybody over a public place.
 
Excuse me mr jitender singh ji,

Ive not said a single word abt the problem,s of people in west , right ?

Ive just tried to highlight the problem,s of indian ladies , n there is nothing to feel bad abt it .

And if still u guys are feeling bad abt it ,


IM SORRY OKAYY .
 
Dear All ,

I also donot want such a good place of discussions of our JATs to be involved in such ongoing useless arop - pratyarop.

But i request all the members to be in limits when they reply , it's alright that some donot like the discussions then he/she

can simply go forward without comments or comments that can realise the person that he is somewhat gone away off the track without hurting his/her feelings.

Sujata Ji , There is nothing to feel bad about this, as this is the reality .

" This is the sachai . "

Sujata u r right and what u explained is all right i agree but there is other part of this also ,

There r situations when an old person keep standing and a young girl is given the seat , is it right ?

Haan sujata , u have mentioned about the fact that girls are misbehaved in the buses and in the queues then at those places

what should be done is that what u did at vaishno devi , that guy should be punished for his doing and usko beijjat karna

chahiye taki woh age se aisa na kare aur iss terah yeh silsila ruke , so that every brother shouldnot get worried of his sister

travelling in a khachakhach bus or que .

Dharampal Ji , U have written so much of good articles i do praise for that but this reply of your's is not as per ur image

and like that it should be.

I donot think so but even if i would have been wrong then u can simply tell ,"This topic is no way fruitfull and close this "

I apologize to the members of the JATLAND if they found me to be somewhere wrong .

Je tumneh meri koe baat galat lagi ho to iss jaat ki galti Maf kariyo .

IB TEIN THIK SE JITU BHAI
 
Sujata Ji,

I am sorry, you misinterpretted it.
I was not referring to you.

What you said was genuinly right.


Sujata Dahiya (Sep 19, 2003 12:44 a.m.):
Excuse me mr jitender singh ji,

Ive not said a single word abt the problem,s of people in west , right ?

Ive just tried to highlight the problem,s of indian ladies , n there is nothing to feel bad abt it .

And if still u guys are feeling bad abt it ,


IM SORRY OKAYY .
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Jiten, Dudee Ji, Sujata and Friends,

Bhai, Military rule lagaana padega.

Dear Jitender, let me give you my frank opinoin on this topic and comments made by Dudee Ji. No I am not a judge of people nor very educated. As it is I am a 'Fauji', aur bhai faujion ki to akal ghutnon main hoti hain. Bhai if you look into my ear, you can actually look through them.

What Sujata said is right. There is discrimination against the fairer sex from times immemorial. Neither you nor I are responsible for it. Yes, we are responsible for how each one of us should behave with the weaker sex. Why it is called 'weaker' Jiten might ask? Like you are called Jiten and I Jagmohan, so are women called the weaker sex. We all know the kind of hypocracy that goes on in society. It was thought that with improvement in education some of the ills of society will go away but they haven't. Have you ever wondered as to why the Muslim nations have not been able to progress as much as they should have? Because they don't give equal opportunity to half their population ie women and girls. Let us not make the same mistakes.

At the cost of repetition let me say that please learn to respect each others view point, even if the view point is different than yours. I was the sixth child, amongst seven, to my parents (Don't blame me for increase in population, we only have one child) born after five lovely sisters. I could have been bullied by them to death if they wanted but I received so much of love and affection that I can't describe it here. Bhai. ankhayn mein paani aajahe jab bahan yaad aa ja hein.

Never ever hate anyone in life. Who are you to hate anybody when God has made everyone equal? Remember each one of us is a miniscule part of 'Paramatman'. Detach yourself philosophically for a while and you would find the people and the world so beautiful. Personally, I believe I am blessed to be able to interact with you all. Imagine so few of us out of a total population of over 7 Billion. Aren't we blessed?

Jiten, what Dudee Ji said can be only said by those who care for you. Yes. There are very few people who have the strength to give a correct advise. He never said that you have a medical problem. And he is right when he says that personal problem should not become a matter of discussion in such public forums. Though I don't think you have any such personal problem but should you or me or anyone have one it can be discussed privately. This is plain common sense. However, you have a right to speak your mind and put across your point. Do so polietly and respectfully. Never ever give a feeling of anger, hatred and disrespect to others, more so to the elders. How can we prosper as a community if we can't even observe basic decorum.

I hope I have not offended anyone. If I have done so, I ask for forgiveness.

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN
 
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Sujata ji and Budh ji
I agree with you very wise advice by Sujata. She set an example that girls have talent , wise thoughts and human feeling as well. some time better in all fields.
Bahut samjhdari ki batt kahi hae.
Jahan per Nari Satkar hota hae-
vaha Daewatao ka bas hota hae
Nafarat- hate asi bimari hae
Jo insaniyat ki dusman hae
HATE ki jagah Love karo
Manav matar sy Payar Karo
EVILS SY nafarat HATE KARO !!!!

Col Sahib and dear all
If my son or daughter say or write
I HATE PEOPLE.
I will give same advice as above .
hate is a illness . if not treated it could leed to other serious illness. there are many doctors on site you can take their advice. LAEKIN VAH ES JHAMALY MAE NAHI PADANA CHAHATY- KAHATY HAN PADHE LIKH JAT KO KOAN SAMAJHA SAKATA HAE.
So hate ka gumada jitana jaldi fhot ja achha hae . nahi to yah bimari social cancer ban kar jat samaj ko kha jaye gi.
Baki samaj sewa ka medal jat ky pas gali hi hoti han. yah lesson to jatland nahi thi jab sy hi sekh rakha hae. margdarshan karny bale ki thikany lagana.
sikh dae bandra ghar vaye ka jaye.
ghar jalakar gaum ky aak karna
EEKH MAE BHAINS BADNA
YAH TO JATOO KA CHARCTER HAE . JABI TO CHARO TARAF KALSHA KA BOL BALA HAE
JAT DAETA KI JAI.
HOW MUCH TIME AND ENERGY WE HAVE WASTED ON THIS USE LESS POINT.
ON EDUCATION WE HAVE 3 reply on this 27.
HOW POSITIVE OUR MIND THINKING including me.
JAYRAMAJI KI
 
Ashok Bhai
Janha Narri Puji jaye, vanhi Dev Baste hain.

Uday Bhai,
Sankrit Kafi yadd hai apko ab tak.

Ashok Kumar Dabas (Sep 19, 2003 09:54 a.m.):
Dahiya Bhai,

Iska matlab te samjha do, meri te kati kuch samajh mein nahin aaya :-)


Uday Dahiya (Sep 19, 2003 05:37 a.m.):
Yatra Nariyestu Pujantey, Tatrra Ramantey Deva !!
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Ranvir Bhai,

Ib ke samajh mein aa gai baat. Aap to kati sanskrit ke guru ho rahe so..

Dhanyawad !


Ranvir Singh Dalal (Sep 19, 2003 12:34 p.m.):
Ashok Bhai
Janha Narri Puji jaye, vanhi Dev Baste hain.

Uday Bhai,
Sankrit Kafi yadd hai apko ab tak.

Ashok Kumar Dabas (Sep 19, 2003 09:54 a.m.):
Dahiya Bhai,

Iska matlab te samjha do, meri te kati kuch samajh mein nahin aaya :-)


Uday Dahiya (Sep 19, 2003 05:37 a.m.):
Yatra Nariyestu Pujantey, Tatrra Ramantey Deva !!
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Folks,

Jiten has raised a very valid issue. Sujata has raised the other side of the same issue. The main issue being discussed here is the "gap" the society has created/maintained between men and women. I know some people have assumed that Jiten is trying to discuss his personal problems here. But that is not the case. Trying to hijack the discussion or trying to stop the flow of ideas is not good, as someone has already said, we should learn to respect everyone's viewpoints. In fact, our viewpoints are the one by which others will judge us.

I know it is all about a social issue and not anyone's personal problem. Just because someone has included some examples from his real life doesn't make an issue personal. Both sides of the issue are very valid in their own senses. The heading could have been a little better but then there won't be any controversy. And the topic won't be as read. And I, you and many of you who will pitch in soon won't be the one talking about it because some of us hardly talk about anything on this board.

Now talking about the issue - there is no easy answer to all the questions Jiten and Sujata has raised. Once again, someone has already pointed out that this is a social issue and this is probably because the way we are raised (boys and girls as far apart from each other). I keep calling this an issue because I hesitate to call it a social problem.

On the one hand if you come to think about it a hirarchical powered structure is better for the healthy existance of an entity. I remember in my family my Dada Ji has the ultimate power. Every decision would be approved by him. Nothing will be done without his approval in the family. My Dadi Ji was second in command. I think such a family structure will have less problem because people know thier power. Yes, it is questionable why my Dada Ji was the commander-in-cheif and not my Dadi Ji. That probably feeds into Sujata's side of the issue. Look at these days - everyone is powerful in the family in the name of equality. There is no respect for elders and hence no pressure for keeping the family structure together and see what is becoming of the families. No, this is not my personal problem, I am talking about the society in general.

I must point out that an hirarchical structure is healty as long as people in the power don't mis-use their power. And by no means I am suggesting trying to keep the ladies opressed just to maintain the hirarchy.

Yes, we all (most of us, I should say) understand the issue and there is no easy answer to the questions raised from both sides. There is really no answer in the short-term. In the long run we would think that education and awareness will make us rise and bring us closer. But there is no gaurantee, look at the western world.

While we are at it let me raise some real problem in our society. I think the biggest social problem (Samajik Bimari) is the corruption (riswatkhori). This is really the cancer of the society today. It keeps taking over the entire society and it is affecting almost everything today. It has slowed down the entire progress in our society. Look what it has done to the education, the efficiency of the government and the overall progress of the society. There is no real easy solution to the problem. I think eductaion with strong push on ethics (Naitikta) could help here. Is there such a subject in our education system? Another thing which can help is awareness and making people concious about not helping corruption. But none of this is an easy task.

Another big problem is the dowry system. there is no real easy answer for this. I think the girls have to help here by getting educated and by being able to get to the top. By all means it seems girls are already doing better at education in almost all areas there. It is just a matter of time when girls will assume the power in the government and corporate sector.

There are many more problems but just listing them and just keep talking about them doesn't help any. I think the society is in need of some basic things to grow healthy and prosprous. I call these basic things three E's and an H. These are Education, Environment, Employment and Healthcare. Yes, these things are available in our society but they are not affordable to the general public. Now think how can we make them available to the aam aadmi. In fact, I was just working on that when I took this break to write and tell you all about it.

Crawling back under my rock and back to the work.

-ajmer
 
dear all ,

First of all thanks for Ajmer to point to the actual point on which i really want to have this discussion to be ,
jitender bhai
that was the reason why i was re-justifying myself.

The reality is this that one day i was surfing the net and get this article somewhere and copied it in notepad, but forget the
site and author name.

I found this topic to be having some real thinkings that many people have and there are discussions in the trains and buses

regarding this and found it to be a matter of public discussion in social concern and not the personal one .

I personally found both the sides true in their views but i am slighlty tilted towards the men part .

So , i have an idea to raise this point in this site and to get all your views on this point .

Sujata Ji , Jagmohan Malik Ji , Sewa Singh Ji and many others give good views but unfortunately some found it to be a

personal problem .

May be the reality is that Dharampal ji is leaving abroad and have not discussed this point here in india in the trains and

buses while travelling and neither had a feel of this peoblem in practical.

But anyhow , I was wrong in saying bad word to him and so i have apologised personally also but he has an opinion that i

should do it in public on the same site , So i have no problem in it Dharampal ji --- " I say sorry to u that i used bad word and i should respect all in all moods of mine , app mujse bade hein aur mujhe yeh shabad nahi use karna chahiye tha "

But i will quote again that Mr. Jagmohan Ji , though Mr dharampal ji didnot point me directly but it was a golmol baat and i

still think was not appropriate .

Haan Dharampal Ji , u also said that people are making majak of this , So I tell u that i think that this site is used by

understanding and educated jats and they are of such character that they will LAUGH WITH US AND NOT ON US ( and

for that we are having the humor section also ) .

AND NOW AFTER A LONG SEARCH I FOUND THIS TOPIC WAS ON

http://in.rediff.com/news/2003/sep/01diary.htm

WRITTEN BY

GIRI KUMAR .

SO READERS ,PLEASE POINT ON THE REAL MATERIAL OF DISCUSSION HERE LEAVING THE INITIAL PART WHICH

IS HAVING THE GIRI KUMAR'S REAL EXPERIENCES .

Thanks Sujata ji and all again for nice and healthy views on this topic .

WE SHOULD RESPECT ALL IN ALL MOODS.

NOW ONWARDS PLEASE DONOT MAKE PERSONAL COMMENTS ....... APOLOGISE FOR ANY THING WRONG.

JITEN
 
Dear Jitender,
It is nice that you mention URL addy which will help in erasing lot of doubts.

Appeal to All members:- I never surf such a 'CHARACTERFUL' public site as is JATLAND.COM so let's maintain it's 'VALUES' for uplift of our people only. All JATLAND members are directly \ indirectly honoring other commitments, thoughts and words.


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