Identity: Jat/Indian?

What do you see as your primary identity: Indian or Jat?


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I am an Aryan, son of an Aryan, and descended from Aryans. :D Only God will judge me as good or bad, I desire to hide nothing from him unlike others who think if they can deceive other people into believing they are good human beings so too can they also deceive God but they will burn in hell forever for who tries to deceive God deceives himself and for who does injustice to other human beings does injustice to God. O' Lord Indra king of the devas bring your thunderbolt upon those evil people calling themselves as good human beings.:rock
 
Okay- to all those, who are saying I am a human being first and anything else later, first of all- Respect! It is certainly a respectable ideal to be able to look beyond differences and focus on commonalities. But the aim of the thread is not to see if we are better chest thumping jingoists or racists. Discrimination (please don't read the word in -ve light) is a natural human trait. We are always discriminating in our day to day choices (what food to eat, music to listen, team to follow, clothes to wear, etc.) to more long term choices (who to marry, etc.). We discriminate in favor of things that we relate to and against what we don't. It is a form of discrimination we are practising by being members of Jatland! So the idea behind the thread was to see what fellow members relate to more between two identities that all of us share. I purposely made the choice binary as it was a relative question. In absolute terms, there can be so many choices- religion, region, language and indeed humanity. Even those of us who feel that we are humans first also discriminate between humans on a day to day basis- seen in what friends we make, who we choose to communicate with, etc. Also note that there would yet be others who would argue that there shouldn't even be any discrimination between humans and animals and that we should regard all living beings as equals! Well, I'd just say that this is a debate in which no one could be wrong. But please don't regard anyone's identification as Jat/Indian as a sign of narrow-mindeness.

Personally, I am glad that majority is choosing the Indian identity (The happier bit is that most of those choosing the Jat identity are also vocalising their Indianness). I would hope that is the case with other communities as well. Like it or not, this is a world of nation states (500 years from now we may have a united earth in competition with other planets, but right now that is just a Hollywood fantasy). The nation states that have progressed and continue to do well, all have a strong national identity. Indeed these countries managed to build a national identity much earlier than others, while the India of yore suffered primarily because of focus on clans/communities over that of national identity. All Indians, including us, would be better served if we see ourselves as "We, the people of India.." as the preamble of our constitution starts. Jai Hind!
 
ahahaha kapil, yr above rhetoric does not applies to me, i've answered to the one option... lol.

p.s. : eat maggie sauce to have different perspective.

i am a "human being" first, then an indian. when i say "human being" it obviously refers to me being a "JAT"... a JAT human being !!!

hence i am a JAT (human being) first... then an indian !!!
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An Indian-Haryanavi-JAT

Definitely Indian first and then Jat. Somewhere on Jatland I mentioned this priority thing, have to find that.
Here you go:
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=188340&postcount=1

I agree with you.
Jakhar Sahab you have given a good example.
It always depends upon the circumstances, for those who are living abroad will feel Indian first & others will feel Jat first (Purely My View).

In any case we are JAT & all JATS (Sikh, Rajasthani, UP, Haryanavi, etc.) sacrificed their lives for INDIA as & when required by the circumstances, so in my view decisions are baised with circumstances. Thanks
 
Would be interesting to see what fellow members see their primary identity as- being a Jat or being an Indian? The subject can be analysed/interpreted in a number of ways. Please feel free to use your imagination with only one rider- avoid getting into offensive mode with statements challenging anyone's loyalty to the community/country. It is a relative question and can't reflect on one's identification with either the country or the community on an absolute scale.

I will also add a poll to this thread. I personally see myself as Indian first and then Jat.
sabse phelm insaan bano
fer indian
all cast are same
jato ko koi extra power na milti
 
Identity:Jat/Indian

Jat or Indian first

I am impressed with the remarkably brief way the question has been discussed. I may add my bit Even at the cost of repetition!). Identities are vever monolithic and contradictories. The question of choice arises only in a context. Gewnerally smaller identities touch our life and we swear by them and live in relation to them.As we see in a family our diverse identities go on doing their part by reflex action. We do not swear by them every now and then. But when need arises we forget the smaller identities an d group under the lager single identity for a higher purpose.My being a father, a husband, a brother at the same time, do not warrant the question of -which identity is better? Similar is the case of Individual and Society.
But let me mention what every one knows that a person is born in a caste and this identity is unchangeable no matter what changes the other identities might see. So without sacrificing my caste patriotism I could keep my patriotism for my country India. Let the occasion for choosing between the two (God forbid!) come,I won't be found lacking.
 
Jat or Indian first

I am impressed with the remarkably brief way the question has been discussed. I may add my bit Even at the cost of repetition!). Identities are vever monolithic and contradictories. The question of choice arises only in a context. Gewnerally smaller identities touch our life and we swear by them and live in relation to them.As we see in a family our diverse identities go on doing their part by reflex action. We do not swear by them every now and then. But when need arises we forget the smaller identities an d group under the lager single identity for a higher purpose.My being a father, a husband, a brother at the same time, do not warrant the question of -which identity is better? Similar is the case of Individual and Society.
But let me mention what every one knows that a person is born in a caste and this identity is unchangeable no matter what changes the other identities might see. So without sacrificing my caste patriotism I could keep my patriotism for my country India. Let the occasion for choosing between the two (God forbid!) come,I won't be found lacking.

Rana Sahab, Pardon my ignorance but terms like patriotism, Nationalism are western Ideas planted successfuly in Indian Psyche post-McLay era. My comment is in reference to Nationalism and patriotism. In my view, none of us is patriotic or nationalist rather regional patriots with up and down seasons.
 
Rana Sahab, Pardon my ignorance but terms like patriotism, Nationalism are western Ideas planted successfuly in Indian Psyche post-McLay era. My comment is in reference to Nationalism and patriotism.

Just because a concept is Western, doesn't mean it is bad or useless in Indian context.
 
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