IIT- Roorkee

[rkumar]

Mandeep Bamal (Feb 22, 2004 11:17 a.m.):
Rajendra,

I do not have those stats...and i m not sure if anyone has them..people have better things to do then collect these stats. IITs are not famous for research...IITs are engineering universities and not research institutes like IISc or TIFR. IITs are famous for their undergrad education.IITs grads who are interested in research do not stay in IIT for M.tech of PhD...they go on to join western univs and research centers (why they do it is another thing). Thats where they contribute in research. Just as an example..I recently went to a conf. where 40% of the first authors were X-iitians. They were from, Intel, IBM, Stan, Georgia tech, Cornell, Umich etc etc. So when you talk about contribution towards research from iitians, make sure you know the situation.

You cannot expect a cow to lay eggs or a hen to give milk...can you??

I am sorry once again... when you guys don't know what your institutions vital stats are, you call it that you have better things to do. What an answer.... Please let me know the name of this confrenece where 40% first authors were IITians ? I am sure these papers must be on some website. I am keen to look at these papers. Also please read the charter of IITs. They were created not just for undergraduate cources but for PG cources and research and many other things as well. You are just trying to highlight where IIts have excelled and not where they have failed. I would expect a balanced view from some one like you. I would be keen to know how many of your faculty member are ex IIT graduates? That will tell a lot about the quality of your faculty. And mind you, its not a waste of time to know the stats about one's institution. You will be on sound footing to put your case only when you know these figures, else its like talking in thin air...You will do a great service to the image of IITs if you can come out with these simple figures. And ...and...and.. If IITs are just engineering Universities and not the research institutions as per your statement, what the hell makes IITs any better than Roorkee, where from this discussion started ?????

Rajendra

 

[mbamal]

Rajendra,

please find some other IITian who might want to work on the stats u want...I am simply not interested...I see nothing positive coming out of this discussion with you. If u have something against IITs, thats a personal matter and I dont care! Just one comment on IITs faculty, most of them more than 55 publications...and much more international recognition.

 

[rkumar]

Mandeep Bamal (Feb 22, 2004 12:57 p.m.):
Rajendra,

please find some other IITian who might want to work on the stats u want...I am simply not interested...I see nothing positive coming out of this discussion with you. If u have something against IITs, thats a personal matter and I dont care! Just one comment on IITs faculty, most of them more than 55 publications...and much more international recognition.

Thanks Mandeep. Its fine, but you can look now back on our conversation and you have not been able to give even one single information on anything about your own institution. You need not answer any further but ask yourself now how much you know about IITs. Whenever it came to quoting the figures, you avoided all the answers. Trust me I am not againts IITs or for that matter against any institution. However, I would have loved a fair picture and not the popular picture. Never mind.. I would very much appreciate if you don't make this our conversation as the basis of our future relations and please don't brand me against IITs or anyone else. I suppose we close this here.

Rajendra

 

[mbamal]

Dear Rajendra ji,

Obviously I am still very young and naive (very much i guess) and have still much to learn. Since I was an undergrad at IIT so I was not so much exposed/involved at research at IITs. You were right in pointing out that I could not give enough data or stats to support my claims, but this kind of data is not available and its not easy to gather all that. I hope you can understand all that. Indeed as i went through my earlier posts in this thread I could easily see that I was making it more of a personal argument instead of a discussion. And I apologize for that. That is what I was afraid of, I never want to be disrespectful in any way to any of my seniors, thats the last thing I want to do. Well I guess that it is very much for me to hope that our future relations are not be affected by this small argument we had.
Best Regards,
Mandeep

 

[palsaniya]

mr. rajendra cool...

IITs are not for research, like m.tech. Phd. from IITs is not big sound !!!

IITs r famous only for producing talented smart graduate people who are dominating on world.

Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Feb 22, 2004 10:28 a.m.):

Mandeep Bamal (Feb 22, 2004 09:13 a.m.):
Rajendra...ok let me clarify what reasonable comparisons I am talking about..first you tried to compare IIT and IIT-R based on their dining facilities..then you compared their culture..for which i dont think u know anything about IITs culture (including IITR)..then you want to compare your research credentials against mine...do all these comparisons make any sense??

Whole problem is when you decalre that other side does not know anything about IIT or TIFR etc and you want comparison only on the parameters of your choice. Its like telling;

1. Look at India only by its software prowess and not by its people peeing on roadside, deficating in open and so on....

2. Look at AIIMS only for the best MBBS it produces and not at the shabby corridores it has and the filthy surroundings inside..

2. Look at IITs only for the best graduates they produce and not anything else as you think IITs are holy cows and nothing can be questioned about them..

In an open discussion you can not set just the parameters of your choice. If to you its the quality of graduate education, to me its the composite education which includes many things. What makes you think that just by going your graduation from IIT you know everything about IIT and TIFR and me having contacts with the people there over last 27 years know nothing about these places?????? Please do not start discussions with assumptions and expectations. Do I need to tell you that there are lots of people even overseas who know more about India than 90% Indians.. Just living in India does not make one authority on Indian system or its culture. Same is true I suppose about being in IITs...or for that matter in any other place. Ok now since you claim to know everything about IIts and where they stand vice verse MIT, Stanford etc, please enlighten me on the following;

1. How many patents IITs have produced during their existence and how it compares with MIT and Stanford ? Don't count patents which its students have produced while being in USA as I don't consider that IITs contribution.

2. How many books have been written by IIT professors which are followed globally and how this number compares with those written by MIT and Stanford professors?

3. How mnay of your so called Graduate Study books are written by IIT professors and how many by Non IIT professors ?

4. How many reasearch papers IITs produce which are cited by international journals?

5. Tell me the index globally published and accepted on which IIT graduation programme has been declared to be comparable to the best in the world.. May be I am unawre of this. Please educate me.

Please don't take this to your heart, this is purely a discussion and not trying to prove one upmanship.

Rajendra

 

[Guest]

Yes man No one will doubt that after seeing your Photograph.

No offences Just Kiddin!!!!!!!

Risky_Jat
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R.C. Palsaniya (Feb 23, 2004 06:58 a.m.):
mr. rajendra cool...

IITs are not for research, like m.tech. Phd. from IITs is not big sound !!!

IITs r famous only for producing talented smart graduate people who are dominating on world.

 

[palsaniya]

Hello riski man ...would u like to tell who r u?? as joined jatland today itself n replied very fast....it didn't get u...??..why r u blotting out ur face..?.....

anyway kidding man...

chaudhary (Feb 23, 2004 09:10 a.m.):
Yes man No one will doubt that after seeing your Photograph.

No offences Just Kiddin!!!!!!!

Risky_Jat
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R.C. Palsaniya (Feb 23, 2004 06:58 a.m.):
mr. rajendra cool...

IITs are not for research, like m.tech. Phd. from IITs is not big sound !!!

IITs r famous only for producing talented smart graduate people who are dominating on world.

 

[privinay]

good thread.....

but Guys Don't fight bout IIT ,Roorkee/REC
Anyway both belong to INDIA
East or West INDIA is the BEST

cheers

 

[vjanu]

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I would be keen to know how many of your faculty member are ex IIT graduates? That will tell a lot about the quality of your faculty.
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As far as IIT Bombay is considered, most faculty members in the Engineering departments are from IITs (in fact, from IIT Bombay itself).

The quality of IITB's faculty is something I can not question. I have not interacted much with faculty from other IITs, but IITB faculty is pretty good (Can not call it best due to lack of comparision stats).

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And mind you, its not a waste of time to know the stats about one's institution. You will be on sound footing to put your case only when you know these figures, else its like talking in thin air...You will do a great service to the image of IITs if you can come out with these simple figures.
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The figures you asked for are anything but simple.

I know the poor chap made some mistakes in arguing emotionally and ignored some rules of formal debating by coming out without stats.

But by no means are those stats easy to get.

For example, I know that most IITB faculty are ex-IITians (I studied there till 2 years ago, so I know), but if you start nitpicking and ask me for numbers - I can not give you any. Nor am I interested in finding out the exact number. If someone does not believe me, all he has to do is go to IITB's website and check the faculty pages. And if someone thinks that such a stat is easy to compile, may be he can do the counting and post here.

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And ...and...and.. If IITs are just engineering Universities and not the research institutions as per your statement, what the hell makes IITs any better than Roorkee, where from this discussion started ?????
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This discussion started when someone said that he feels hurt when people from other IITs do not consider IIT-Roorkee people at par. I am sure that the stats that you ask for were not what he wanted.

To be honest, I do not consider and average Roorkee student (before it was made IIT) at par with an average IIT student. It has nothing to do with Roorkee and everything to do with JEE. Everyone on this thread agreed that it is the JEE that makes a difference in the quality of IIT students.

Thus, it made sense to compare Pre-IITR Roorkee students with their IIT counterparts. It is no longer valid because people who go to IITR have also cleared JEE.

I cleared JEE'98 and I do not consider an average Roorkee student of 98 batch at par with an average IITian of that year. Simple.

I consider an average student of IITR at par with an average student of any other IIT today.

Also, IIT students had a problem with the fact that as soon as Roorkee was made an IIT, even those students who had failed at clearing JEE started attaching IIT's name in their signatures. I think it was a valid problem. At least 4 batches of Roorkee students passed out from IIT Roorkee without clearing JEE!

Regards,

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Vivek

 

[Guest]

Arey bhai Pal aapne wo photograph kyon change kar diii ????

kya gajab ke lagte they aap usme.
yaar meri baat ka bura maan gaye kya ???

dost

R.C. Palsaniya (Feb 23, 2004 09:45 a.m.):
Hello riski man ...would u like to tell who r u?? as joined jatland today itself n replied very fast....it didn't get u...??..why r u blotting out ur face..?.....

anyway kidding man...

chaudhary (Feb 23, 2004 09:10 a.m.):
Yes man No one will doubt that after seeing your Photograph.

No offences Just Kiddin!!!!!!!

Risky_Jat
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R.C. Palsaniya (Feb 23, 2004 06:58 a.m.):
mr. rajendra cool...

IITs are not for research, like m.tech. Phd. from IITs is not big sound !!!

IITs r famous only for producing talented smart graduate people who are dominating on world.

 

[mbamal]

bhai janu....poor chap kise keh raha hai..lugaiyon kee tarah chugli karne kee aadat chhod de...saamne aavega to pant ke bhether e ---- dega...kade koi beham ho!

 

[itsnavin]

Janu bhai..I agree that it's the JEE which makes the difference not the IITs but I think a pre-Roorkee topper is better than average IIT student. Moreover, when it comes to choosing ur engg. line, you the rank where you are place. If one is Ranked 1st in pre-Roorkee test and 4000 in JEE, then ofcourse one will head to Roorkee not to IIT. I mean to say...there are a lot of things to addressed before we compare the two.
Cheers