India has become safer in last 8 years

Your link took me to the homepage of Dailymail.

I agree that deaths can not be the ONLY criterion, but it is an indicator enough to reflect an improvement none the less.


kapdal said:
So what explains number 4 ranking in terrorism by a global group that has no affiliation to BJP or Congress?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...ions-year.html

Also, number of deaths can not the only criteria. Number of incidents and casualties also play a role.
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A country cannot progress without upliftment of all communities. We often ignore this fact. We often see it from one angle only. What about other side. How much we pay a heed to the reports like Sachar report?

Muslims are ingnored and they are ingnored big time. Muslims by and large live in big and poor states. Even in states like Haryana, which is doing well on most of the social status indicators, Muslims get ignored. Go to Nuh, Mewat region in Haryana and see the conditions of that place. Even being close to Delhi and Gurgaon, the place is lacking basic ammenities. And also check how much money has been spent by Haryana government on this region as compared to other places. Its huge negligence.

Let me quote few lines from the article I pasted earlier on this thread:

"the Sachar report, it broadly showed Muslims to be stuck at the bottom of almost every economic or social heap. Though heavily urban, Muslims had a particularly low share of public (or any formal) jobs, school and university places, and seats in politics. They earned less than other groups, were more excluded from banks and other finance, spent fewer years in school and had lower literacy rates. Pitifully few entered the army or the police force."


"Too many official efforts to direct help, for example by spending more on schools in Muslim districts, also fail. Funds get stolen or diverted to non-Muslim recipients, Mr Habibullah says. Just as telling, far more is done to tackle rural poverty, with job-creation schemes, subsidies for farmers, and prices set above market levels for much farm produce. Muslims, predominantly in the cities, suffer relative neglect."

Marginalised section of a society leads to resentment and eventually disturb everyone in the country and often leads to domestic violence. This type of negligence often leads to an uncontrolled state.








cooljat said:
Mate, wake up to the reality!! Stop this muslim appeasement bullshit and stop tagging muslims as 'Minorities'.
Muslims are being treated as privileged citizens in our country thanks to congress's long appeasement policy to draw vote bank. What they haven't got? They got there own Muslim Law, Muslim Universities, subsided haz pilgrimage, freedom to marry more than a woman and produce as much children as they want, their ow religious Madrase, reservation and lot more. But the problem with muslims is they want to islamisation every single thing in this world.

You talk about minorities - the real minorities are Sikh, Christian, Budhists and Parsi .. and they never whine about rights, special privileges, reservation etc.


UNIFORM LAW can only save this country or it gonna be banana republic sooner than later ..
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Also other efforts from our government is missing. Which is the most and utmost important than anything else:

That is to bridge the gaps between different communities in our country. Reconciliation efforts are missing. We have given it a least importance.Also we lack in understanding radicalisation.

Government in advanced economies take such challanges very seriously. For example, government in Aus has a agency called resilient communities. You can learn about it here: http://www.resilientcommunities.gov.au/aboutus/pages/home.aspx

They cheer the work of different communities and get them aboard and show examples to others. In this way they highlight and award the contribution of individual from different communities. They also allow them share the views like this one:

Advice to Australian Muslim Youth(http://resilientcommunities.govspace.gov.au/2013/02/04/advice-to-australian-muslim-youth/)

Their main excersise is to prevent people from being misled by extremist leaders.

This is what they do :



http://www.resilientcommunities.gov.au/aboutus/Pages/what-we-are-doing.aspx
In partnership with communities, the Australian Government is working to
address factors that make people vulnerable to extremist influences, including
recruitment by terrorists, noting there is not just one path to violent
extremism. Extremists often exploit social and economic conditions, and
individual vulnerabilities to recruit and motivate others.

We are continuing to develop strategies to counter violent extremism at an
early stage, before a law enforcement response is needed.

The Countering Violent Extremism Unit
is developing and
implementing a comprehensive and coordinated national strategy, and develops
initiatives that lessen the appeal of the violent extremist ideologies that fuel
terrorism.

In the 2010–11 Budget, the Australian Government committed $9.7 million over
four years to address violent extremism in Australia. This commitment builds on
an earlier decision to establish a Countering Violent Extremism Sub‑Committee
under the National Counter-Terrorism Committee, comprised of representatives
from all states and territories. The Sub‑Committee receives $2 million each
year for initiatives that help to counter violent extremism.


cooljat said:
Mate, wake up to the reality!! Stop this muslim appeasement bullshit and stop tagging muslims as 'Minorities'.
Muslims are being treated as privileged citizens in our country thanks to congress's long appeasement policy to draw vote bank. What they haven't got? They got there own Muslim Law, Muslim Universities, subsided haz pilgrimage, freedom to marry more than a woman and produce as much children as they want, their ow religious Madrase, reservation and lot more. But the problem with muslims is they want to islamisation every single thing in this world.

You talk about minorities - the real minorities are Sikh, Christian, Budhists and Parsi .. and they never whine about rights, special privileges, reservation etc.


UNIFORM LAW can only save this country or it gonna be banana republic sooner than later ..
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कानून व्यवस्था और नागरिक सुरक्षा की जिम्मेदारी राज्यों का विषय है और इसमें केंद्र सरकार का कोई लेना देना नहीं है अर्थात इसका श्रेय केवल राज्यों को जाना चाहिए

इस तरह के article लोगो को गुमराह करने के लिखवाये जाते है इसी को ही तो कहते है media manage करना जो पोलिटिकल पार्टियाँ और कॉर्पोरेट खुले आम कर रहे है

केंद्र सरकार का जो सबसे प्रमुख कार्य है कानून बनाना / नीति निर्धारण करना और राज्यों के साथ सामंजस बनाए रखना वो तो वो कर नहीं पा रही है हमारी सुरक्षा क्या ख़ाक करेगी
 
sivach said:

केंद्र सरकार का जो सबसे प्रमुख कार्य है कानून बनाना / नीति निर्धारण करना और राज्यों के साथ सामंजस बनाए रखना वो तो वो कर नहीं पा रही है हमारी सुरक्षा क्या ख़ाक करेगी
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Subhash bhai,

ye to record bata raha hai ki pichle kuch saal main kitna improvement hua hai, maanna na maanna aapki soch hai. Media gumrah tab karta hai jab wo opinion de, ya jhute number rakhe, this article has none of that.

Filhal jis samanjas ki baat kar rahe hai aap uske lie ek proposal Chidambram nein Mumbai 2008 ke baad rakha tha jo aaj tak sirf partio ki raajneeti main ulajh kar rah gaya. POTA, TADA aur sirf naam ke her fer mein ulajh ke rah jate hai plans, aur fir jab hyderabad jaisa hadsa hota hai to fir ye mudde fir uchalte hai, har party kahti hai ham raajneeti se aage kaam karenge but dhaak ke 3 paat.
 
bazardparveen said:
Interesting!!! BTW, what injustice lead to roasting of 59 people alive in a train?

PS: Just wish to know the logic. I am nowhere justifying any violence in return of another violence.
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The fact that you brought up Godhra as a response to my comment on justice for Gujarat riot victims, totally nullifies your second sentence.

There's a difference between an act of violence by a mob and an act of violence by a mob helped and supported by the state. Let me know if you cant comprehend the difference.
 
desijat said:
What an ironical discussion we are having, whole the attacks have increased, deaths have gone lower than ever.

Victory in remorse or remorse in victory?
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It will be quite some exaggeration to use this report to signal any sort of victory. As Mark Twain said - Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable.
 


ऐसे शरम्नाक हादसो को रोकने के लए सबसे पहले हमे खुद को सुधारने की ज़रूरत है और फिर समाज को. एक दूसरे थ्रेड का ही उदाहरहण ले ले जहाँ कैसे उत्तर प्रदेश की औरतो पर फब्तिया कसी जा रही थी जो किसी भी दृष्टि से सामाजिक और आद्रणिया तो नही थी, और कैसे लोग स्वाद ले के like कर रहे थे, वी ही लोग फिर औरतो के खिलाफ होने वाले अत्याचारो की आड़ मैं अपनी राजनीति चमकते है,
सबसे ज़्यादा भाषण झाड़ते है और सरकार पे डाल के निकल लेते है फिर से फब्तिया कसने
उसके लए भी मनमोहन या मोदी को ज़िम्मेदार ठहराए?

ऐसे असामाजिक तत्वो का मनमोहन क्या कर लेगा? अगर कड़ी सज़ा से अपराध कम होते तो आज खून और आतंकवाद ना होगा...

VPannu said:
What a great timing to have this news come out - A woman is molested or raped in Delhi every 2 hours. http://navbharattimes.indiatimes.co...is-molested-or-raped/articleshow/18856604.cms . What 'safe' are we talking about ? This is about Delhi, the capital, where Dr. Manmohan Singh (crime fighter) lives.
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swaich said:
The fact that you brought up Godhra as a response to my comment on justice for Gujarat riot victims, totally nullifies your second sentence.

There's a difference between an act of violence by a mob and an act of violence by a mob helped and supported by the state. Let me know if you cant comprehend the difference.
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I expected this kind of answer from you. Thanks for the neutralization and explanation. I got it. A "happy" mob anticipated injustice in advance and did some "firework" in Godhra. Never mind, carry-on.
 
bazardparveen said:
I expected this kind of answer from you. Thanks for the neutralization and explanation. I got it. A "happy" mob anticipated injustice in advance and did some "firework" in Godhra. Never mind, carry-on.
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Oh, they were unhappy of course. Those kar sevaks were coming from a pilgrimage to Ayodhya and there were clashes after a Muslim tea vendor was beaten up and a Muslim girl was almost kidnapped in front of her parents on the platform by those boisterous kar sevaks. It was then that the mob emerged and local Muslim council men and other ganged up to stone and later burn the carriages. I can anticipate your next question; so yes, it was a horrific crime.

Read this Tehelka article Burn After Reading, in case you haven't.
 
swaich said:
Oh, they were unhappy of course. Those kar sevaks were coming from a pilgrimage to Ayodhya and there were clashes after a Muslim tea vendor was beaten up and a Muslim girl was almost kidnapped in front of her parents on the platform by those boisterous kar sevaks. It was then that the mob emerged and local Muslim council men and other ganged up to stone and later burn the carriages. I can anticipate your next question; so yes, it was a horrific crime.

Read this Tehelka article Burn After Reading, in case you haven't.
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Tehelka?? Less the said, better it is. I thought, courts didn't accept that it was some spontaneous provocation and called it a pre-planned conspiracy.
 
bazardparveen said:
Tehelka?? Less the said, better it is. I thought, courts didn't accept that it was some spontaneous provocation and called it a pre-planned conspiracy.
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I get it. Its paid media too, isnt it?

On Godhra train burning, if it was pre-planned, I am surprised how Umarji and Kalota, the main conspirators were let off. The mobs did prevent fire fighters to reach the train and if anything this seemed to be the conspiracy or wilful delay of help rather than any planning days before the incident.
 
desijat said:
Subhash bhai,

ye to record bata raha hai ki pichle kuch saal main kitna improvement hua hai, maanna na maanna aapki soch hai. Media gumrah tab karta hai jab wo opinion de, ya jhute number rakhe, this article has none of that.
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Improvement हुआ या नहीं ये मुद्दा बाद में आता है पहले यहाँ सवाल उठता है कि ये किस के अधिकार क्षेत्र में आता है। जो काम राज्य सरकारों के अंतर्गत आता हो उसका श्रेय केंद्र सरकार को कैसे दिया उस article के writer ने। ये ही तो है मीडिया management.

desijat said:
Subhash bhai,

Filhal jis samanjas ki baat kar rahe hai aap uske lie ek proposal Chidambram nein Mumbai 2008 ke baad rakha tha jo aaj tak sirf partio ki raajneeti main ulajh kar rah gaya. POTA, TADA aur sirf naam ke her fer mein ulajh ke rah jate hai plans, aur fir jab hyderabad jaisa hadsa hota hai to fir ye mudde fir uchalte hai, har party kahti hai ham raajneeti se aage kaam karenge but dhaak ke 3 paat.
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वो ही तो मैं कह रहा हूँ कि केंद्र सरकार का जो काम है वो नहीं कर रही है proposal दे कर अपनी जिम्मेवारी की इति श्री समझ ली सरकार ने। जो सरकार अपनी बात दुसरो को ना समझा सके वो कैसी सरकार है उसकी क्षमता पर प्र्श्नचिहन उठना लाजमी है। सब के साथ तालमेल बैठना ही तो असली काम है। पब्लिक और देश के लिए क्या करना / होना चाहिए को किया / हुआ में परिवर्तित करना ही सरकार का काम है।
 
swaich said:
I get it. Its paid media too, isnt it?

On Godhra train burning, if it was pre-planned, I am surprised how Umarji and Kalota, the main conspirators were let off. The mobs did prevent fire fighters to reach the train and if anything this seemed to be the conspiracy or wilful delay of help rather than any planning days before the incident.
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Payment I don't know. But their bias toward party in power can be sensed easily. Perhaps, that's the nature of media. I don't expect media to much different if others come into power, until someone shows real courage to crack down on political-media nexus. Set some strong guidelines for media.

If so much surprised, read the judgement in detail. I am not the right person to answer why anyone was acquitted or what seems to be conspiracy and what doesn't. As far as I know, Nanavati-commission set aside all theories and called it pre-planned conspiracy. They interviewed this girl also which was almost abducted acc. to many. Even, they made comments that some petrol was also bought one night before. And, court upheld its findings if not all, at-least, to the extent that it was conspiracy. What was the conspiracy, perhaps, you know better. I rest my arguments.
 
bazardparveen said:
Nanavati-commission set aside all theories and called it pre-planned conspiracy..
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Irrespective of pre-planned or instantaneous, what do you think State's response should have been? Booking those culprit of the act or unleash a charged mob with voting lists and holding police to not to take actions against again with saffron in hand?
 
bazardparveen said:
Payment I don't know. But their bias toward party in power can be sensed easily. Perhaps, that's the nature of media. I don't expect media to much different if others come into power, until someone shows real courage to crack down on political-media nexus. Set some strong guidelines for media.

If so much surprised, read the judgement in detail. I am not the right person to answer why anyone was acquitted or what seems to be conspiracy and what doesn't. As far as I know, Nanavati-commission set aside all theories and called it pre-planned conspiracy. They interviewed this girl also which was almost abducted acc. to many. Even, they made comments that some petrol was also bought one night before. And, court upheld its findings if not all, at-least, to the extent that it was conspiracy. What was the conspiracy, perhaps, you know better. I rest my arguments.
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On media, so who does one believe? Arent they all alike? Subservient to the ruling party and changing sides with the government. The argument boils down to who we believe based on our internal values and beliefs. That is all.

The Nanavati commission was set up by Modi. The same guy who was chastised by the SC to not impeded investigation against guilty cops. But lets give the commission credit. Possibly it was a conspiracy. The Tehelka article, in case you still find time to read it, exposes by a sting operation police paying money to witnesses against the accused. The police's prime witness was a Hindu who allegedly helped Muslims conspirators load petrol a day earlier. The same witness later says he was pressurized and paid by the police to give his statement. But again, all this is worthwhile if you wish to believe anything that Tehelka has to say. If not, then no use arguing about anything,
 
Well, it was reply to Vicky's post about "Upliftment of Minorities".

A uniform civil code will save country from Islaminization. Recently Salman Rushdie said India has bigger threat from fast increasing muslim population than muslim terrorism.

India has a resident Muslim population that is procreating twice as rapidly as its Hindu population. A news documentary by an Indian news channel STAR News (now NDTV) on the population problem reveals that Muslims are refusing/rejecting family planning schemes owing to the instructions of their religious leaders that increasing the population will empower Indian Muslims to take over the government. In addition, Bangladesh has sent more than 20 million of its own nationals into northeastern India - the states of Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya, West Bengal, Arunachal Pradesh and Nagaland are already flooded by Bengali Muslims, who will soon become the majorities.

Read here - http://www.islam-watch.org/Others/Islam-Population-Bomb-Fastest-growing-Religion.htm


kapdal said:
You got to be kidding me.

A uniform civil code may be very desirable (for Muslims), but what has that got to do with terror attacks? How will it save the country? What from?

The way you describe it, you seem to be jealous that a muslim man can marry more than one woman. Otherwise, what explains your belief that this makes muslims privileged? Muslim women (50% of muslims roughly) are also muslims - how are they privileged due to this?
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