Interesting debate on politics and Khaps

Iska area bahut lamba padata Jai Singh Ji, par ek saath gaon ki baat kaho to 52 gaon to Sonepat ke irdh-girdh hain, 8 gaon idhar Jind ke Julana mein hain, jinmen mera gaon bhi shamil hai, fir 5 gaon Hansi ke paas padte hain jinmen "Ramayan-Danderi" ka naam suna hoga aapne, fir kuchh gaon NArwana, Kaithal, Panipat mein padte hain, 28 ke kareeb gaon Gohana mein hain aur udhar Jamuna paar U.P. ke Meerut, Saharanpur aur Shamli mein hain....Jaaton ki sabse badi Khap hai....agar Sonepat MP seat pe total votes ki baat karo to to around 35% votes akele Maliks ke hain....vaise Jats ke total votes more than 50 % hain...udhar Dilli mein bhi Narela District mein 7-8 gaon hain inke!
 
phoolkumar said:
Iska area bahut lamba padata Jai Singh Ji, par ek saath gaon ki baat kaho to 52 gaon to Sonepat ke irdh-girdh hain, 8 gaon idhar Jind ke Julana mein hain, jinmen mera gaon bhi shamil hai, fir 5 gaon Hansi ke paas padte hain jinmen "Ramayan-Danderi" ka naam suna hoga aapne, fir kuchh gaon NArwana, Kaithal, Panipat mein padte hain, 28 ke kareeb gaon Gohana mein hain aur udhar Jamuna paar U.P. ke Meerut, Saharanpur aur Shamli mein hain....Jaaton ki sabse badi Khap hai....agar Sonepat MP seat pe total votes ki baat karo to to around 35% votes akele Maliks ke hain....vaise Jats ke total votes more than 50 % hain...udhar Dilli mein bhi Narela District mein 7-8 gaon hain inke!
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phool kumar ji..........jo information app nay dee h wo gathwala/malik gotar kay gaon kay bare may h.
ramayan-danderi &depple etc. villages are the part of umra-sultanpur khap as per the concept of khap
in which few adjoining village make a tappa & few adjoining tappas (2,3,4 etc.)make a khap .
so in the veiw of khap concept i do not recieve any appropriate information about gathwala khap.
 
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Jai Singh Bhaai Sahab, aapko poori ki poori details Khap ke baare mein janna hai to better do a field research at graound level......aapka "Gotra" show nahin ho raha......but whatever jo bhi aapka gotra hai aap uspe field research kijiye....aapko saare answer mil jayenge....aapne meri Khap ke gaavon ke failaav ki details maangi thi wo maine de di hain aapko......ab kuchh aap waali Khap ki bhi ho jaayen aisi details to isse ek Khap pe aur kuchh jankari jud jayegi Jatland pe


jaisingh318 said:
phool kumar ji..........jo information app nay dee h wo gathwala/malik gotar kay gaon kay bare may h.
ramayan-danderi &depple etc. villages are the part of umra-sultanpur khap as per the concept of khap
in which few adjoining village make a tappa & few adjoining tappas (2,3,4 etc.)make a khap .
so in the veiw of khap concept i do not recieve any appropriate information about gathwala khap.
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phoolkumar said:
Jai Singh Bhaai Sahab, aapko poori ki poori details Khap ke baare mein janna hai to better do a field research at graound level......aapka "Gotra" show nahin ho raha......but whatever jo bhi aapka gotra hai aap uspe field research kijiye....aapko saare answer mil jayenge....aapne meri Khap ke gaavon ke failaav ki details maangi thi wo maine de di hain aapko......ab kuchh aap waali Khap ki bhi ho jaayen aisi details to isse ek Khap pe aur kuchh jankari jud jayegi Jatland pe
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bhai phool kumar ji....kyki apki post may gathwala khap ka jikar tha isliye app se sawal puchh liya tha . rahi research karne ki baat usko to puri huae kafi saal bit gaye.
hanh gotra to apka bhi najar nahi aa raha h.....mera gotra Mor h......mera gaon bass h jind bhiwani road per .......meri khap satrol h.....mera app se sawal puchne ka
maksad sirf ye tha ki gotra base khap in which people of one gotra live in different khap or land base khap of same gotra or multi gotra ka concept clear ho jye
per apki post se lagta h ki app iss ko avoid karna chate h...its ok.......haa agar app ko meri khap kay bare may koi research karni h to you are always welcome.
 
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jaisingh318 said:
bhai phool kumar ji....kyki apki post may gathwala khap ka jikar tha isliye app se sawal puchh liya tha . rahi research karne ki baat usko to puri huae kafi saal bit gaye.
hanh gotra to apka bhi najar nahi aa raha h.....mera gotra Mor h......mera gaon bass h jind bhiwani road per .......meri khap satrol h.....mera app se sawal puchne ka
maksad sirf ye tha ki gotra base khap in which people of one gotra live in different khap or land base khap of same gotra or multi gotra ka concept clear ho jye
per apki post se lagta h ki app iss ko avoid karna chate h...its ok.......haa agar app ko meri khap kay bare may koi research karni h to you are always welcome.
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Multi-gotra Khap Panchyats are sometimes designated as Sarva Khap Panchayats in which inte- caste and intra-caste people also joined in meetings in the past. The records of Shauram khap testify to this statement.
 
Dear don't take it on so serous note......Baas gaon mein to meri ristedaari hai....so we can find on personal chat on how close we are on that front.....aapki Khap ki research jab ho rakhi hai to aap usko laaiye na Jatland pe....humen bhi janne ko miley.....

bhaai maine try to bahut kar li surname add karne ki but option hi nahin mil raha baaki mera naam hai "Phool Kumar Malik"......

to aap ye gotra base Khap concept ko direct poochhte na....aapne to isko uljha sa diya...khair Khaps individual gotra base pe bhi hoti hain, regional base pe bhi aur group of villages base pe bhi.....

jaisingh318 said:
bhai phool kumar ji....kyki apki post may gathwala khap ka jikar tha isliye app se sawal puchh liya tha . rahi research karne ki baat usko to puri huae kafi saal bit gaye.
hanh gotra to apka bhi najar nahi aa raha h.....mera gotra Mor h......mera gaon bass h jind bhiwani road per .......meri khap satrol h.....mera app se sawal puchne ka
maksad sirf ye tha ki gotra base khap in which people of one gotra live in different khap or land base khap of same gotra or multi gotra ka concept clear ho jye
per apki post se lagta h ki app iss ko avoid karna chate h...its ok.......haa agar app ko meri khap kay bare may koi research karni h to you are always welcome.
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phoolkumar said:
Dear don't take it on so serous note......Baas gaon mein to meri ristedaari hai....so we can find on personal chat on how close we are on that front.....aapki Khap ki research jab ho rakhi hai to aap usko laaiye na Jatland pe....humen bhi janne ko miley.....

bhaai maine try to bahut kar li surname add karne ki but option hi nahin mil raha baaki mera naam hai "Phool Kumar Malik"......

to aap ye gotra base Khap concept ko direct poochhte na....aapne to isko uljha sa diya...khair Khaps individual gotra base pe bhi hoti hain, regional base pe bhi aur group of villages base pe bhi.....
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ek gotra ki jitni khap h jaise ki baliyan 84, shouran 84,shouran 26,sangwan chalissa etc. in sub khapo kay sath unkey gaon kay number bhi h or inh kay gotra ka
koi bhai dusri khap may rahta h to wo jis khap may rahta h uska rule follow karta h.
malik in mokhra village is the member of maham chobbissi khap or he reperesent the panchyat from maham khap ya from gathwala khap?
ye regional khap kon si h?
 
If any Malik lives in any non Gathwala village, even though he will remain a part of Gathwala Khap. By settling down in any non Gathwala village he will just follow that village gotra as well. That means they won't form matrimonial relationship in village gotra.

Btw Hamari Khap "Desh Khap" bhut bhut badi hia...84 villages are alone in Bagpat district.

jaisingh318 said:
ek gotra ki jitni khap h jaise ki baliyan 84, shouran 84,shouran 26,sangwan chalissa etc. in sub khapo kay sath unkey gaon kay number bhi h or inh kay gotra ka
koi bhai dusri khap may rahta h to wo jis khap may rahta h uska rule follow karta h.
malik in mokhra village is the member of maham chobbissi khap or he reperesent the panchyat from maham khap ya from gathwala khap?
ye regional khap kon si h?
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http://www.tehelka.com/story_main54.asp?filename=Ne271012Rape.asp

‘The guilty should be punished, but if the boy is not guilty and the girl is known to sleep around with many men, then we do not encourage a police investigation’
Daljit Singh
Sarpanch, Dhani Pirawala village

“Even the khap panchayats have maintained double standards in matters relating to women,” he adds. “While they strictly oppose same gotra marriages, they are at the same time silent when people rape women within their own families. There are only 830 girls for every 1,000 boys here. The skewed sex ratio is certainly one of the reasons for the increasing rapes, but the bigger reason is the social attitude. Women are seen as objects of consumption that are available to be used and silenced if they protest. This situation is convenient for the people here and that is why they won’t let it change.” A very disturbing observation, but one that rings true.

Although Gohana DSP Yashpal Khatana rubbishes all these charges, what he offers as an explanation for the frequency of rapes is deeply disturbing. “Girls are easily influenced these days,” says the DSP. “They wear western clothes, so the number of gangrapes is increasing here.” The chowmein argument somehow begins to make sense now. After all, this is one of the keepers of law talking.

In the past seven years, the number of rape cases in Haryana has almost doubled. From 386 rape cases in 2004, it jumped to 733 cases in 2011, with only 13 percent convictions.

The panchayat leaders are believed to have even met the IGP AS Chawla to get an assurance that “their boy” would not be prosecuted. On being refused, a crowd blocked the Funwara Chowk in Hisar. Later, when Sunil was paraded before the girl in the Test Identification Parade (TIP), she even refused to identify him.


In every panchayat one hears an axiom narrated with pride by the landlords: “If a Jat has not had sex with his siri’s (farm labour’s) wife and daughter, then he is not worthy of calling himself a Jat.” A very telling commentary on the prevailing mindset in the state.


Sai Manish is a Senior Correspondent with Tehelka.
sai.manish@tehelka.com

priyanka@tehelka.com
 
Ye un tuchche patrkaaron ki mansikta hai jo saari koum ko ek hi taraaju mein tolne pe tule hue hain.....main hu yahaan is baat ka virodh karne wala ki seeri ki bahu-betiyon ka sex karna hi Jat hona kahlata hai.....mere ghar mein peedhi-dar-peedhi seeri kaam karte aaye hain aur aaj bhi ek "Chamaar" bhaai seeri hai emre yahaan.....ja ke koi bhi poochh le gaon mein ja ke agar ek bhi dalit ki ladki aisa kah de falaane ke ghar mein, uske baap, dada ya pad-dada tak ne mere se aisa kiya tha...... ye un uthaaigirey parivaaron ke kaam hote hain jinhone jindagi mein kabhi dekha-barta ya vyvhaar na kiya ho.....media ko to jaise aadat si ho gai hai, kuchh bhi hamaare charactor pe labed ke chalta banne ki.....Deshi Jat I hope tune jahaan se ye article uthaya hai unko ispe apni objection bhi show kar hogi.....bhaiyo aise-aise hi maamle sangeen hote hain jahaan agar aapne nirdosh hote hue bhi chuppi saadh li to aapko vakai mein apradhi maan liya jayega......main Jatland pe aaj kahna chahunga ki ha maine "Gaon aur Got ki 36 biradari ki ladki ko bahan maanne ka vart poori srdha se nibhaya hai....aur aise aur bhi bahut honge.....so I totally codemn this mischeivious reporting..... In every panchayat one hears an axiom narrated with pride by the landlords: “If a Jat has not had sex with his siri’s (farm labour’s) wife and daughter, then he is not worthy of calling himself a Jat.” A very telling commentary on the prevailing mindset in the state.


Sai Manish is a Senior Correspondent with Tehelka.
sai.manish@tehelka.com

priyanka@tehelka.com[/QUOTE]
 
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asal may ye sari exercise (non sense reporting) sirf iss liye h ki almost last 20 years se haryana m jat cm h or jat kaum iss ka fayda utha rahi h.
kuldeep bisnoi or bjp jin kay pas jat vote to h nahi almost zero h kyki haryana may bjp kay pas pakistni rafuggies kay vote h or wo hi iss party
kay leader h or inh logo kay biradari bhai media may h to ye sare mil kar ek propganda falaa rahe h ki jatoo ko bilkul isolate kar day baki rural
cast se or iss non jat vote bank kay sahare kisi non jat ko cm bana lay kyki jat vote to hooda or chautala may divide ho jaynge.but haryana
ka jat iss tarah kay logo se bahoot badiya tarike se niptana jantaa h or jat choddarr kay nam per ek ho jayga kisi bhi jat leader kay sathh.
orr kissi bhi panchyat may aissi bante nahi hoti ye sirf iss reporter ki low level thinking h.
dalit caste ko bhi samjhana hoga ki iss tarah ki reporting apkao neecha deekahne kay liye ki ja rahi h or gaon may fott dalne kay liye h.
 
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thumbs down... itni ghatiya bakar... itni ghatiya or hypothitical reasoning to 6 class ke interschool debates mai bhi nahi hoti thi... chodhar ke naam ke chautala or hudda ek party mai kyon nahi aa jate??? dalit cast to apne aap samajh jati hai rahul gandhi/sonia gandhi... dalit samajh se milne jind/hisar jate hain... or kitna samajhne ki jarurat baki hai?? jo muh mai aaya vo bak diya... na logic, na sense, na facts, na reasons, na sources, na credibility, na substance... bas bolna tha to bol diya... down with idiotism...

jaisingh318 said:
asal may ye sari exercise (non sense reporting) sirf iss liye h ki almost last 20 years se haryana m jat cm h or jat kaum iss ka fayda utha rahi h.
kuldeep bisnoi or bjp jin kay pas jat vote to h nahi almost zero h kyki haryana may bjp kay pas pakistni rafuggies kay vote h or wo hi iss party
kay leader h or inh logo kay biradari bhai media may h to ye sare mil kar ek propganda falaa rahe h ki jatoo ko bilkul isolate kar day baki rural
cast se or iss non jat vote bank kay sahare kisi non jat ko cm bana lay kyki jat vote to hooda or chautala may divide ho jaynge.but haryana
ka jat iss tarah kay logo se bahoot badiya tarike se niptana jantaa h or jat choddarr kay nam per ek ho jayga kisi bhi jat leader kay sathh.
orr kissi bhi panchyat may aissi bante nahi hoti ye sirf iss reporter ki low level thinking h.
dalit caste ko bhi samjhana hoga ki iss tarah ki reporting apkao neecha deekahne kay liye ki ja rahi h or gaon may fott dalne kay liye h.
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Another one: Govt files plea before Supreme Court for monitoring khap panchayats

Wondering how does khaps came into picture?

The news:
In response to theSupreme Courtseeking a reply on fast-tracking of rape cases and implementation of existing laws for safety of women, the government pleaded that a mechanism be put in place to monitor crimes against women by khap panchayats.

The Supreme court added that the khap panchayats can come and express their views on issues relating to inter-caste marriage before the apex body.

The Supreme Court sought the government's reply while hearing the public interest litigation matters related to this issue on Friday. A two-judge bench of the apex court, comprising justices KS Radhakrishnan and Dipak Misra on Thursday said it was aware of the gravity of the issue, and would take up the PILs for review and argument.

One of the PILs was filed by retired lady IAS officer Promilla Shanker. The Supreme Court also said it cannot pass direction for suspension of MPs and MLAs charge-sheeted for crimes against women.
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Shanker in her petition, apart from seeking suspension of MPs and MLAs chargesheeted for crime against women, has also sought that cases of rape and crime against women and children be investigated by women police officials and trial be also conducted by lady judges.

Read more at:http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...t-supreme-court-khap-panchayats/1/240787.html
 
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