Irony

[anujkumar]

Terrorist attack are terrible. Terrorist are threat to the civilized world. The world is united against the terrorism.. the war on terror, innocent people dead and all of that...

50 people were killed in london on 7/7. Look at the coverage. TV cameras were ready to listen to the story of every peson who has anything to tell - what went through his head - how he got out of the train and walked out to the road and so forth. Everybody was very sensitive, tendor and soft.

50 innocent people are killed every other day in Iraq. What about that and their relatives doen't even cry. Media somehow expect it as normal run of things. These people are as human as everybody else.

more fun with numbers...

In the towers: “2.863 people died”
In the world: “40 milllion of HIV infected in the world.”
“The world united against terrorism. It should also be united against AIDS”

In th towers: “2.863 people died”
In the world:: “824 million people starving in the world”.
“The world united against terrorism. It should also be united against HUNGER.”

In the towers: “2.863 people died”
In the world: “630 million of homeless people in the world”.
“The world united against terrorism. It should also be united against POVERTY”.

For more motivation, see the movie "The girl in the Cafe" .. the 2005 G-8 summit was part of the story in this movie.

 

[deepender]

Harsh realities in world full of 'lesser equals'

 

[sansanwalamit]

Poverty, Hunger, AIDS all are indicators of a weak and crippled society, whereas terrorism is targeted against strong and peaceful societies. Terrorism is most effective when targeted against the stronger societies, the main motivation behind terrorism is to spoil the peace and harmony, hence it receives more media coverage.
Terrorism has a dirty purpose and motivation; it targets the hard working innocent people. And more than anything terrorism is the biggest irony, for example:
A man who survives poverty, AIDS, hunger and makes his way to NYC or London to lead a better, peaceful and prosperous and somehow dies because of an act of terrorism.
I hope you see my point in here, and this is why I think the media coverage and all the attention given to terrorism is justified.

 

[anujkumar]

This response is more of thought experiment.

What if the only response to the exploitation and dominance of strong societies, crippled societies have is terrorism. War on terrosrism is nothing but some antibiotics to supress the problem temporarily. What is needed is vaccines, and a long term prevention strategy, which would come from curing the disease like AIDS, poverty and hunger.

Why do we have NAKSALWAD, MCC, etc in poorest part of our conuntry?

Israel have been fighting terrorism since it was born. Why didn't it win? becuase there are plenty of people on the other side who are so miserable that they want to blow themselve up to damage even if slightly, the percieved origin of this misery.

Here is analogy. Why do all these serial/spree killers happen to have mental problems.

Reason:

They have serious problems. (poverty, AIDS, interference)

The well to do society doen't care. ( exploitation)

Revenge/Anger/hatred are born. You have die anyway. Why not kill some of these adversaries.

One way is to treat these people. Have genuine concern for their problems and invest some resources. So they don't go and kill people.

Other way is to lock them up in a mental facility for life/Get rid of them.

Which one would result in less serial killers.

Bush keep on saying ... mad people.. He is right. They are mad.. mad with anger, outraged by American Policies.

 

[rkumar]

This response is more of thought experiment.

What if the only response to the exploitation and dominance of strong societies, crippled societies have is terrorism. War on terrosrism is nothing but some antibiotics to supress the problem temporarily. What is needed is vaccines, and a long term prevention strategy, which would come from curing the disease like AIDS, poverty and hunger.

Why do we have NAKSALWAD, MCC, etc in poorest part of our conuntry?

Israel have been fighting terrorism since it was born. Why didn't it win? becuase there are plenty of people on the other side who are so miserable that they want to blow themselve up to damage even if slightly, the percieved origin of this misery.

Here is analogy. Why do all these serial/spree killers happen to have mental problems.

Reason:

They have serious problems. (poverty, AIDS, interference)

The well to do society doen't care. ( exploitation)

Revenge/Anger/hatred are born. You have die anyway. Why not kill some of these adversaries.

One way is to treat these people. Have genuine concern for their problems and invest some resources. So they don't go and kill people.

Other way is to lock them up in a mental facility for life/Get rid of them.

Which one would result in less serial killers.

Bush keep on saying ... mad people.. He is right. They are mad.. mad with anger, outraged by American Policies.

I am not sure if your thoughts are right on terrorism Anuj. What will you say about Punjab Terrorism in past? I don't think they could be classified poor by any yardstick. Bin Laden, the top most terrorist is a multi millionaire. Most of these guys who were involved in London Bombing were not poor. There is much more to it than what you have tried to put. There are many players in this game. Lot of money is involved to finance terrorism. Poor people can not run terrorism.

RK^2

 

[anujkumar]

I am not sure if your thoughts are right on terrorism Anuj. What will you say about Punjab Terrorism in past? I don't think they could be classified poor by any yardstick. Bin Laden, the top most terrorist is a multi millionaire. Most of these guys who were involved in London Bombing were not poor. There is much more to it than what you have tried to put. There are many players in this game. Lot of money is involved to finance terrorism. Poor people can not run terrorism.

RK^2

That's correct!. There are plenty of people who are rich and well to do, who notice this misery and want to exploit it to their own advatage or have genuine attatchment/concern for these people and hence provide leadership for the movement.

I wouldn't just believe that middle class american can ever blow himslef up for any hard prssing beliefs he has. Look how much they worry about the body bags.

For Punjab, I think you are right. The main reason, I would say, was mis-trust and identity crisis. But here is the thing, that's THE reson we were able to finish it.

 

[sansanwalamit]

Well it is almost impossible to find out what causes terrorism. I have seen so many reasons behind terrorism that it is very difficult to know what is the real reason behind it, for Anuj it is poverty, AIDS and lack of opportunities for a better life, for a religious person it is Satan, for a racist its the Muslims, for a liberal person (I am one of them) it is the republicans, and the list goes on.
Terrorism has always prevailed in our society in form or the another, in ancient times people used to call terror for money and wealth like the Huns and Mongols, and today people have no other reason so they use religion. The present terrorism is nothing but a love child of republicans (Taleban was a Reaganian tool against Commies), and again this is what I think I could be wrong too.
I am very happy by the fact that I come from Mahatma Gandhi's country, I wish people listen to him and read more about him. He showed the way that a man can get what he wants without being violent. If all those violent groups from Hamas to IRA took inspiration from him then many more families would have been happier today and we could safely travel anywhere without worries.

 

[rkumar]

Well it is almost impossible to find out what causes terrorism. I have seen so many reasons behind terrorism that it is very difficult to know what is the real reason behind it, for Anuj it is poverty, AIDS and lack of opportunities for a better life, for a religious person it is Satan, for a racist its the Muslims, for a liberal person (I am one of them) it is the republicans, and the list goes on.
Terrorism has always prevailed in our society in form or the another, in ancient times people used to call terror for money and wealth like the Huns and Mongols, and today people have no other reason so they use religion. The present terrorism is nothing but a love child of republicans (Taleban was a Reaganian tool against Commies), and again this is what I think I could be wrong too.
I am very happy by the fact that I come from Mahatma Gandhi's country, I wish people listen to him and read more about him. He showed the way that a man can get what he wants without being violent. If all those violent groups from Hamas to IRA took inspiration from him then many more families would have been happier today and we could safely travel anywhere without worries.

Correct Amit. I am on record on Jatland under some other thread that violent momemvets have never produced any results, be they are in North Ireland or in our own North East. More is the violence in area, leseer is the investment and development...so problem continues..

RK^2

 

[bullettooth]

Poverty, Hunger, AIDS all are indicators of a weak and crippled society, whereas terrorism is targeted against strong and peaceful societies. Terrorism is most effective when targeted against the stronger societies, the main motivation behind terrorism is to spoil the peace and harmony, hence it receives more media coverage.
Terrorism has a dirty purpose and motivation; it targets the hard working innocent people. And more than anything terrorism is the biggest irony, for example:
A man who survives poverty, AIDS, hunger and makes his way to NYC or London to lead a better, peaceful and prosperous and somehow dies because of an act of terrorism.
I hope you see my point in here, and this is why I think the media coverage and all the attention given to terrorism is justified.

Amit, I agree with you completely. Media is a moneymaking machine and the stronger the story, the more attention it gets.
Poverty, Aids, Disease etc. are normal things in the world of the yet not prosperous nations and therefore not much media attention goes to them. I just hope that at no point in the near future, Terrorism Attacks become a normal part of everyday life. It is just unacceptable- because people cause Terrorism, not some virus or economics.

 

[deepender]

Well it is almost impossible to find out what causes terrorism. I have seen so many reasons behind terrorism that it is very difficult to know what is the real reason behind it, for Anuj it is poverty, AIDS and lack of opportunities for a better life, for a religious person it is Satan, for a racist its the Muslims, for a liberal person (I am one of them) it is the republicans, and the list goes on.
Terrorism has always prevailed in our society in form or the another, in ancient times people used to call terror for money and wealth like the Huns and Mongols, and today people have no other reason so they use religion. The present terrorism is nothing but a love child of republicans (Taleban was a Reaganian tool against Commies), and again this is what I think I could be wrong too.
I am very happy by the fact that I come from Mahatma Gandhi's country, I wish people listen to him and read more about him. He showed the way that a man can get what he wants without being violent. If all those violent groups from Hamas to IRA took inspiration from him then many more families would have been happier today and we could safely travel anywhere without worries.

I agree with your point here Amit. What is also worth noting is that a point has been made in past by a few war-mongers that the wars (not terrorism) and post-war periods sometimes lead to economic expansions; some of these waronomists go as far as to cite examples like US Civil war, UK & US during and after WW2, post-war Stalin led Russia, even ancient Greeks, Romans or even Nazi Germany...I remember one passionate friend debating with me on the fact that he believed that it's the civil war, and WW2 that made America great....Of course they conviniently forget that for each of these wars you can cite 10s of other examples where wars devastated economis, cultures, societies without solving any purpose....