Is Supporting Pakistan in Public justified?

[virj]

67 Kashmiri students were booked under Sedition Law by Meerut Police. Their Crime was they were supporting Pakistan win over India in Asia Cup Cricket Match. The charge of sedition under Section 124A of the Indian Penal Code has been dropped now but it again raised the question. Booking the students under Section 124A is totally wrong and I don't intend to discuss the legal aspect of it either. However were the students at fault by hurting the general public sentiments?

India is a democracy and everyone has their own rights. Right to hold any views, right to support any sports team, right to roam freely in the country and right to freedom of speech. Recently SC has dismissed a petition against hate speech saying it cant curtail anyone's right to express the views and its up to the people (audience) to decide.

The Swami Vivekanand Subharti University, a private institution in Meerut, says it sent back Kashmiri students from the hostel just on precautionary measure. Some Kashmiris were arguing that India call itself free Democracy then why cant it allow anyone freedom to cheer for any team they like. It happen in other civilised world why cant it happen in India. I know for fact that people in J&K does celebrate Pak Victories. Not only in Kashmir it happens in Hyderabad as well. In these areas there are more Afridi's fans than Tenduklar's. I listen to the views of a Jammu resident on a radio show(before this incident) who was saying that they celebrate Pak victories over India and Paki team is their favourite team. He even said that that people of J&K consider themselves Pakistani. He is a regular on that radio station and is otherwise a sensible person.

The incident is not that simple as it may appear. This wasn't just a match. It was a cricket Match and it was Indo-Pak Match where emotions normally go very high. One might think how can someone be happy when their country lost to their arch-rival. And then they start doubting them and clash happens. Both BJP and congress has called this act by students wrong. There are a few local parties in J&K who supported the act.

However the question remain should such acts be allowed? Are they justified even though Law permits them. Shouldn't they just celebrate in private and be mindful of other people's sentiments.
The bigger question is probably Do they even consider themselves Indian?

The thread is open for your views on all these questions.

 

[samarkadian]

Few days ago some Kashmiri students were booked under Sedition Law by Meerut Police. Their Crime was they were supporting Pakistan win over India in Asia Cup Cricket Match. The charge of sedition under Section 124A of the Indian Penal Code has been dropped now but it again raised the question. Booking the students under Section 124A is totally wrong and I don't intend to discuss the legal aspect of it either. However were the students at fault by hurting the general public sentiments.

India is a democracy and everyone has their own rights. Right to hold any views, right to support any sports team, right to roam freely in the country and right to freedom of speech. Recently SC has dismissed a petition against hate speech saying it cant curtail anyone's right to express the views and its up to the people (audience) to decide.

The Swami Vivekanand Subharti University, a private institution in Meerut, says it sent back Kashmiri students from the hostel just on precautionary measure. Some Kashmiris were arguing that India call itself free Democracy then why cant it allow anyone freedom to cheer for any team they like. It happen in other civilised world why cant it happen in India. I know for fact that people in J&K does celebrate Pak Victories. Not only in Kashmir it happens in Hyderabad as well. In these areas there are more Afridi's fans than Tenduklar's.

Its not that simple as it appears. This wasn't just a match. It was a cricket Match and it was Indo-Pak Match where emotions normally go very high. One might think how can someone be happy when their country lost to their arch-rival. And then they start doubting them and clash happens. Both BJP and congress has called this act by students wrong. There are a few local parties in J&K who supported the act.

However the question remain should such acts be allowed? Are they justified even though Law permits them. Shouldn't they just celebrate in private and be mindful of other people's sentiments.
The bigger question is probably Do they even consider themselves Indian?

The thread is open for your views on all these questions.

A lot of folks in Kashmir valley do the same with more aggression openly under the eyes of security forces and police.Their only misfortune was place where they were doing. Involvement of an IG rank police official rings some bells here. Charges of sedition were too high on such an immature act. May be that police guy was getting in eyes of somebody might come in power. We all know the politics of bureaucracy. It might take someone at high ranks in upcoming regime.

They might consider themselves Indians but with scorn which is unfortunate.

Ye Gadar film waale ''pakistan jindabad murdabad''scene ki tarah ka incident sa ho gya..

It is only stupid to do so in public.

 

[virj]

A lot of folks in Kashmir valley do the same with more aggression openly under the eyes of security forces and police.Their only misfortune was place where they were doing. Involvement of an IG rank police official rings some bells here. Charges of sedition were too high on such an immature act. May be that police guy was getting in eyes of somebody might come in power. We all know the politics of bureaucracy. It might take someone at high ranks in upcoming regime.

They might consider themselves Indians but with scorn which is unfortunate.

Ye Gadar film waale ''pakistan jindabad murdabad''scene ki tarah ka incident sa ho gya..

It is only stupid to do so in public.

I know these facts but the question is : Are they right to do so? Should they be allowed? Just not in J & K, anywhere in India? Do they really love Pakistan or Pakistani Team or it is their Grudge against India?

 

[manojmalik007]

bhai ke aani jaani sai. jad inka jee he na lagta india mai to kyu gail pad re so inkai. Malabar mai pehli baar saudi muslims aaye the. vypar karya ar aade buss ge. uskai baad ye dheere dheere aapni dharam nai auran pai thopan lag ge. uskai baad kayi aur aaye ar india tai sauna loot kai lege. pher innai suwad aa gaya, ar India pai kabza karna shuru kar diya. inki khas baat ya sai ke doosryan gail nahi milna ar doorya tai aapni baat manvana ya thopna. koye keh sai ke innai kayi Hindu convert kar diye ar koye keh sai jo vyapari aade aaye we badh ge. Munnai donu baat laage sain. ye koni ral sakte kisse geli bhi. kitna hanga la liyo. ye tai apne rule thopan mai reh sain doosrya ke upar. Dharam ke naam pai ghane serious sain ye log.

jahan tak Kashmir ki baat sai, inka ghankharyan ka jee tai pakistan mai he sai. kitna he jor la liyo. kimme koni honi jaani. india apni fauz pai itna kharch kare sai aaye saal. itna rupiya kimme janta ki bhalai mai laag ja to wo badiya. j&k tai kimme kamayi tai hondi ni khame kha ka katiya taar re sain donu desh. yo J&K, inke logan pai he chod diyo ke chave sain ye. munnai bera sai inkai bhi lalach bad rehya sai. ye log na Pakistan mai ralle ar na India mai. ye apna desh banawenge. pher Pak innai tung karega Afgan ki dhala. ar ya jagah jamma barbad honi sai. india nai to hisab kitab lana chahiye. kitna kharcha aawe sai is J&K pai ar kitna munafa howai sai. munnai nahi lagta is jagah tai india nai koye munfa howe sai. ar na aage hona. yo plebiscite kara karo kai, kar diyo innai ek aud nai. isse mei fedda sai. pher ye pak ar j&k apas mai khoond bajaye jaange.

 

[abhikrana]

Openly supporting a hostile country that has fought three wars with India and which is still bleeding India with a proxy war and terrorist strikes is nothing less than treason and should be tried summarily and the perpetrators should be punished in an exemplary manner.

Any soft approach at this stage would further encourage the traitors within the country. But, alas! what can we expect from the Congress and the SP?

 

[virj]

Openly supporting a hostile country that has fought three wars with India and which is still bleeding India with a proxy war and terrorist strikes is nothing less than treason and should be tried summarily and the perpetrators should be punished in an exemplary manner.

Any soft approach at this stage would further encourage the traitors within the country. But, alas! what can we expect from the Congress and the SP?

Nationalism cannot be forced. If they support Pakistan its high time for us to understand the reasons and try to address the issue. Just suspending them or Lathicharge them wont help.

 

[anilsangwan]

Ye Kashmiri mussalle kade bhi Bharat ke nahi honge...! Kitna e peesa er time barbaad kar lo.... er koye samaadhaan bhi nahi s inka.
Inke gail to waa karni chahiye jo inn ne Kashmir mein Hinduaa ke saath kari..... taaki ye sahi mein minority mein aa jaa er bhaaj lein Pakistan kaani !!! Nehru ne yo pakistan aala isa beej bo diya ... hamesha rolla rehga...!


Aur jo democratic way mein soch ke kehte hain ki we should accept their views - unko bhi gail parcel karo pakistan ko !

 

[desijat]

Ye Kashmiri mussalle kade bhi Bharat ke nahi honge...! Kitna e peesa er time barbaad kar lo.... er koye samaadhaan bhi nahi s inka.!

Why do a handful of people represent the whole community?

Majority of Kashmiris dont think the way you represented, if they did they would not be setting records by voting in spite of threats.

 

[abhikrana]

We would be naive if after 66 years of independence we say that we STILL need to understand the reasons for Kashmiris' support of Pakistan.

Kashmiris are primarily Muslims, having kicked out Kashmiri pandits. Religion is of prime importance to any Muslim all across the world. And Pakistanis shed crocodile tears for the Muslim brothers in Kashmir.

The solution -
* Remove Armed Forces Special Powers Act.
* Give right of self determination to Kashmiris
* Keep funding their bread and butter at the cost of Indian tax-payers' money
* Let them spread terrorism throughout India allowing them to kill innocent Indians
* Help them gift/cede more Indian territory to China.

Pick and choose any or all of the above solutions and there you go, you have addressed the ENTIRE issue.

If they hate India and Indians, why do they accept Indian money/grants? They are a drain on the national resources/funds. Let those free-fund people slog and labour it out to earn their bread and they will not get time for militancy.
Why are they increasingly coming to the rest of India for studies, work and settling down?

Nationalism cannot be forced. If they support Pakistan its high time for us to understand the reasons and try to address the issue. Just suspending them or Lathicharge them wont help.

 

[anilsangwan]

I can understand why you are favoring them. Congress' secularism.

These educated students represent the community very clearly. This is what they are taught. In fact the illitrate or less educated ones are more likely to go with Pakistan for "Jehad" as it is easy to influence them.... brainwash them. When their educated youth is like this, you can imagine how redical the community could be.

Do you know that every Engg and medical college in the country has seats reserved for them and they get huge benefit. They use resources and facilities from India and support Pakistan. Namak halaal kahin ke.

.....and come on ... the voting part ..... they mostly vote for separatists and people like Omar Abdullah / Mufti Mohammed Sayeed etc who favors them indirectly for terrorism. And you support their views. Shame on you !

Why do a handful of people represent the whole community?
Majority of Kashmiris dont think the way you represented, if they did they would not be setting records by voting in spite of threats.

 

[anilsangwan]

If they hate India and Indians, why do they accept Indian money/grants? They are a drain on the national resources/funds. Let those free-fund people slog and labour it out to earn their bread and they will not get time for militancy.
Why are they increasingly coming to the rest of India for studies, work and settling down?

Very nicely summarised bro. However, they will keep using Indian facilities - thanks to 'Sickular' people in this country !!!

 

[prashantacmet]

I can understand why you are favoring them. Congress' secularism.

These educated students represent the community very clearly. This is what they are taught. In fact the illitrate or less educated ones are more likely to go with Pakistan for "Jehad" as it is easy to influence them.... brainwash them. When their educated youth is like this, you can imagine how redical the community could be.

Do you know that every Engg and medical college in the country has seats reserved for them and they get huge benefit. They use resources and facilities from India and support Pakistan. Namak halaal kahin ke.

.....and come on ... the voting part ..... they mostly vote for separatists and people like Omar Abdullah / Mufti Mohammed Sayeed etc who favors them indirectly for terrorism. And you support their views. Shame on you !

Vikas bhai supports Omar abdullah till the day he supports congress.....

 

[rathiji]

Vikas bhai supports Omar abdullah till the day he supports congress.....

Not only Abdullah , He will support Hurriyat conference too as they put their views forward in a democratic nation.

 

[hemanthooda]

Separatist feelings are being kept alive by politicians only.This has become money minting formula .Huge money comes from within India & Outside.If there is political will , Kashmir issue can be addressed , see what has china done in tibet , changed the complete demographics coupled with development.

 

[swaich]

I think its ok to cheer for Pakistan as your own govt has given it the Most Favored Nation status for trade and commerce. Before I face the charge of the Right Brigade let me add, the MFN status has been given to Pakistan since 1995 and none of the subsequent regimes have rescinded it.

Yes, its a country we have fought wars with untill recently (and still are covertly) but our patriotism or respect surely doesn't hinge on saying Pakistan Murdabad. So all this sedition and related brouhaha is a little over the top.

Secondly - the Kashmiri students could have been more discreet in their support. I wouldn't want to shout pro-Crown slogans in a Catholic pub in Ulster during St. Patrick's day. That's clearly asking for trouble. Knowing the war and cricket history between the two countries - it was extremely stupid and provocative to shout pro-Pakistan slogans. So they should definitely be reprimanded.

 

[rajpaldular]

Ye Kashmiri mussalle kade bhi Bharat ke nahi honge...! Kitna e peesa er time barbaad kar lo.... er koye samaadhaan bhi nahi s inka.
Inke gail to waa karni chahiye jo inn ne Kashmir mein Hinduaa ke saath kari..... taaki ye sahi mein minority mein aa jaa er bhaaj lein Pakistan kaani !!! Nehru ne yo pakistan aala isa beej bo diya ... hamesha rolla rehga...!


Aur jo democratic way mein soch ke kehte hain ki we should accept their views - unko bhi gail parcel karo pakistan ko !

सटीक उत्तर ! मेरे मन की बात कह दी आपने। धन्यवाद भाई !

 

[anilsangwan]

................. Those indians who support this should be forced to live in fata, swat, waziristan or baluchistan with their family for few days.

हा हा हा हा हा हा हा ....इनके भाज्-तां के पाच्छे पे के गोली लागेगी ने fata अर nwfp में .. तो याद आवेगा भारत ।.... इस देश की याहे तो दुर्गति स की इसके खुद के काफी नागरिक देश प्रेम के नाम पे धब्बा हैं ! कश्मीरी मुशल्ले तो हैं ही।.. और भी कयी सिकुलारिस्म का काढ़ा पी क़ देश में पाकिस्तान का स्मर्थन कर रहे हैं !

 

[manojmalik007]

thode saal aur datt jaao. west up tai bhi nire aa liye sain haryane mai. panipat, sonepat, rohtak, ambala, gurgaon,mai aa liye sai west up tai. nass tai uthega bhai.

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

Nationalism cannot be forced. If they support Pakistan its high time for us to understand the reasons and try to address the issue. Just suspending them or Lathicharge them wont help.

That means, action taken by Indra was wrong to curse the khalistan movement. Your point to understand the raeson is not understood. Everybody knows the reason.
Now govt should start to understand their problem and solution . They want kashmir to be merged in pakistan.
Can any hindu in pak do this act. Or any one in any country , and he willbe allowed to do it without any action.

 

[virj]

I think it was wrong on Kashmiri student's part to shout pro Pakistan slogan. First of all it was a cricket match and that too between India and Pakistan. The emotions are high in such situation and then when you see someone cheering for Pakistan then the message is clear that you are not supporting a cricket team you are cheering for another nation against your nation. Its not sports its politics.

Legally they may be right to do so however it was a deliberate act of provocation. It shouldn't and cannot be allowed.

There are some limits in Democracy.