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Hi friends, answer these questions, if you can?

1. There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country which provides Haj subsidy.

2. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that Muslims are accorded in india?

3. Show one Muslim country which has a Non-Muslim as its President or PrimeMinister.

4. Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the 15% minority.

5. Show one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa'against terrorists.

6. Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala,Pondicherry,etc. have in the past elected Muslims as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindubecoming the CM of Muslim - majority J&K?

7. Today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and Madrassas are thriving?How come Muslims are offering Namazon the road? How come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no God except Allah?

8. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, whyshould Hindus now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura andKashi?

9. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims andChristians, when they are free to spend their money in any way theylike?

10. When uniform is made compulsory for school children, whythere is no Uniform Civil Code for citizens?

11. In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, TamilNadu or Uttar Pradesh, to have article 370?

12. Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to dowith our freedom movement) and what in turn he got?

13. Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet andinsisted that Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public fund,not government funds. When in January 1948 he presurrised Nehru and Patelto carry on renovation of the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?

14. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra,UP, Bihar etc., are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland,Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights inthese states?

15. Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need tobe recognized. Or do you think that those who call themselves Hindus arethemselves the problem?

16. Why post-Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-onetalks of the ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?

17. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindupopulation in pakistan was about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindupopulation in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%. Today it is about7%. What happened
to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?

18. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone upfrom 10.4% in 1951 to about 14% today; whereas Hindu population has come downfrom 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?

19. Do you consider that -
Sanskrit is communal and Urdu issecular,
Mandir is Communal and Masjid is Secular,
Sadhu is Communal andImam is Secular,
BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular,
Dr. PraveenBhai Togadia is ANTI-NATIONAL and Bhukari is Secular,
Vande Matharam iscommunal and Allah-O-Akbar is secular,
Shriman is communal and Mian issecular,
Hinduism is Communal and Islam is Secular,
Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last,
Bharat is communal and Italy is Secular?

20. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible andQuran, Why Hindus cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?

21. Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famousSiddhi Vinayak Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai Can a Hindu - say Mulayam or Laloo - ever become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?

22. Dr. Praveenbhai Togadia has been arrested many times onflimsy grounds. Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari beenarrested for claiming to be an ISI agent an d advocating partition ofBharat?

23. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath, Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarovar are taxed?

A Muslim President, A Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Defence Minister running the affairs of the nation with a unity of purpose.

Can this happen anywhere, except in a HINDU NATION - BHARAT?

Later on please forward it to as many Indians as possible

"Hinduism is not a religion it is a way of life". - Swami Vivekananda .

JAI HIND
 
Sanjeev Malik (Jun 01, 2004 08:31 a.m.):
A good collection of questions for who can volunteer to answer.

Thanks.
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I say much fancied archetypal hindu "tolerance".....it was as politically correct as it could be.
 
Before I answer any of your questions let me tell you bluntly that the idol worshipping traditional Hindu religion is the most evil religion on earth. It is the only religion that has discrimination entranched in it.

I am very glad that we in Rajasthan had a decent chief minister, Barkatulla Khan for a while. Th damage done to the state and especially to the Jat community by Bhairon Singh Sekhawat and now beng done by Vasundhara Raje (she has nothing to do with the Jat community) will take a long time to repair.

I studied at IIT Bombay during 1960-1965 and it was pre-Shiv Sena/BJP days and the city was truly cosmopolitan and the foundation of modernization of Indian economy were laid before these Hindu fanatics became successful in fooling lot of people including some Jats on this website.

Why there is need to compare India with the Muslim countries? We do not need to go in the direction they are going. But if we have to progress as a country we have to take actions so that each community (and unfortunately, there are too man identifiable communities in India) is treated in a reasonably fair manner. India is a pluralistic society and to say that it is 85% Hindu is a total nonsense. Why should the vast majority of the Indian population who are branded as "lower caste" should be counted with the small minority of "upper caste" Hindus.

Jats are by and large a very hard working people. In the Indian subcontinent by coincidence the Jats are divided in nearly equal numbers among Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. The Muslim Jats are the most prosperous as a group and the Sikhs are fairly well to do as well. The majority of Hindu Jats are quite poor even by Indian standards and lack access to educational opportunities. an some of these BJP/RSS supporting Jats on this site tell me why the Hindu Jats are in relatively poor situation as compared to their Muslim and Sikh communities?

My message to Jats is not to be fooled and used by the Hindu Religion crooks who have cheated us for centuries.
 
Dear Dr. Birbal Singh,

Your posting has some truth and some prejudice towards a political /non-political group, which might be due to a lot of good/bad experiences in your life span. But everybody doesn’t go through the same grill and opinions/beliefs might differ based on the personal experiences.

I personally believe that “Hinduism” is not the most evil on the face of the earth. I am sure the world feels other ways. With 9-11 in the history and terrorism being the biggest security threat to the world, I don’t have to and don’t want to name the religion.

Things have changed a lot in last 40-50 years. I am not sure how much life you have really spent in India since you went to IIT in 1960-65, but a lot of things have changed for better and other for the worse. To make/thing a “Umbrella Statement” that one party is totally good/bad, doesn’t seem to be just.

As far as Sikh Jats are concerned, most of them are on the land of Punjab (The most fertile land with a lot of water). Hence most of the Punjab state is more prosperous than other parts of India. I totally agree with it. So any community part of Punjab will be in a better state. Please provide more info about the prosperity on the Muslim Jats community, as I am not aware of it. So I look for you guidance here.

As far as the questions are concerned, I am not in favor to compare to any state/country but a firm believer of making things better and just, where you live. The questions posted here are just a measure of yardsticks of issues that are concern of the people of the land. I am sure the questions can be better re-worded but the issues remain the same.

Thanks.

Dr. Birbal Singh (Jun 01, 2004 09:45 a.m.):
Before I answer any of your questions let me tell you bluntly that the idol worshipping traditional Hindu religion is the most evil religion on earth.
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Dear Ganesh,

Why we Hindus are wasting our time by comparing India with Muslim countries ? If at all we need to compare India, let us compare with some good progressive country. In our area there is a saying..." Kanto ki daur batode tak..." why can't we look beyond Muslim countries which any way have ahrdly anything left today to show to any country. Compare with Europe, China, Japan...for God shake let us not lock our minds just competing on filmsy grounds with Muslim countries. ...

Now coming to some of your specific questions;

1. Hindus are the only community amond all religious communities who don't let low caste Hindus worship in their temples.....Hope you know about Nathwada temple incident in Rajesthan.
2. Hindus are the only religious community in the world who do not let low caste Hindus take water from their wells.
3. Brahmans will never eat food cooked by a Harjan or Balmiki...So is not the case with other religions.
4. Low caste hindus are not allowed to cremate their dead bodies at the same place as so called high caste hindus...

So much about Hindus vs Hindus...

Now coming to muslims vs Hindus...

1. Name me one Hindu who spent his life time glorifying Allah ?...There have been scors of Muslims who sang Krisha all their life. Raskhan was the most prominent of them. Bismillah Khan has spent all his life playing Sehnai in Banaras temples.
2. Amar Nath Shiva Ling is maintained by Muslim family. One of the holiest shrines of Hindus.

Mind you once again Muslims are not the right religion one shouild compare. Muslims ceased to exist as a progressive society long ago. Let us come out of this mentality of comparing India with Pakistan or some third rate countries. Take on the mightest if you want to become powerful. Your post is nothing but some stuff out of those local BJP propagada people and will not do any good either to India or to we jats...Let Jats compete with the best in the world and certainly not get caught in this comparision with Muslims.

Rajendra
 
1. The underlying message behind all these questions was not to compare India with muslim countries rather it was another way to show what we get back for accommodating other communities.

2. Pluralism , multi-culturalism et al looks good in coffee books only. You try to implement it you get chaos .

3. Casteism is evil indeed, but when invented( 1500 years back) it reflected profession . So will somebody point out how many of brahmins are teachers,priests and how many of much talked about kshatriya are manning indian borders?? It is interesting here to point that many of so called low castes became noble born overnight by buying out these brahmins. So why do we give damn to it? And if it is such a big problem fine we got ways to take care of that. Trick is to change with changing times. Species which were able to adjust to changing environs survived the test of time rest simply vanished from the face of earth.

4. Well as pointed out muslim jats and sikh jats live in region which is well endowed by mother nature. Now for god sake don´t owe it to the fact they are non-hindu! And there lies the irony , muslim jats got converted when they could not withstand the onslaught of islamist plunderers. And now they are as claimed "most properous" so where does this fact leads us....well read point 3 if there are still any doubts !!

5.I don´t see logic behind blaming whole religion( which I find outright offensive) just because of one group of people.. Hinduism isnt bequeathed property of a brahmin, as pointed out it is way of living, and I believe it is much more than that. People may doubt that but if not hinduism then I dont find any other binding force for india as nation-state. A tamil is as different from me as an european or an african is. I won´t be surprised if someone comes up with a new theory that arya samaj is new religion and god forbid 300 years down the line we end up as sikhs.

6. Ok, hindus are casteist devils( I can live that tag!!),the please be so kind to comment on sikh jats marauding dalit sikhs, different burning grounds, different gurudwaras, muslim jats not marrying into other muslims. But I presume that isn´t casteism because (thanks god!) they are not hindus.
 
1. I agree with almost everything Birbal ji said.
2. Jat Sikhs and Muslim Sikhs are prosperous than us becasue the Land of East and West punjab is more fertile and these people (specially Jat Sikhs) are more progressive. Also Lahore being center of education helped these folks in early part of last century.
3. If we read books written by most non Hindu writer than you will find out that more than 70 percent of conversion to Islam took place due to spread Sufism in subcontinent. Rigid caste system, rituals and atitude of Brahmins played a big role too.
4. Don't let RSS and BJP fool you with false propganda. There are more pressing issues in India(like Poverty, education, population growth) than Mandir / Musjid / Ayodha issue.
 
do we really have time to think all this?? There are so many issues to think about like welfare of Jaat community which should come first of religion and caste.

I dont know what Bal Thakre says in his speech about the Hinduism. But I really apperaite his these words "If any Indian muslim celebrating the Pakistan vicroty over India, he is not egibile to be an Indian. If India playing in Pakistan, and pakistanis burning Indian flag, no use to play with Pakistan".

And i had personal experience seeing Indian Muslim celebrating the Pakistan victory over India.

Would u both "Dr. Birbal Singh and Rajendra ji" comment on it.

Sorry in advance if anyone hurt my intention not to hurt anyone ot target anyone.
 
Bal Thackery wants to throw North Indian out of Mumbai too. He did the same thing with South Indians in late 60's. Let us get over these issues and focus on our Jat community.
 
Lets not mix hinduism and Indian caste system. They are 2 different things. We can take out caste system and we still will be left with hinduism intact. The system of segragation exists everywhere in the world. Some call it class, some colour, some tribal and so on.
e.g., why do blacks and whites still have separate church?
Depending on from where you come the jews in Israel have different status.

It is very easy to discredit hinduism using caste example bcos there is no one book like bible or quran which u can reference and say definitely that it defines hinduism. 500 and more yrs back there was no religion by name of hindu. Just like Islam is being used to confuse and justify some tribal traditions, Hinduism is being used to justify caste system.
 
can someone enlighten me !!!
who are Muslim Jats ???????
Babita
 
Dheeraj,

The basic reason behind my posts is for the uplift of the Jat community and raise members' awareness of the evils of Brahmanical Hindu Religion represented by BJP/RSS/Shiv Sena. More than 50 years ago when E.V.R. Naicker started doing this in Madras state (now Tamilnadu) one of the arguments used by his opponents was that the state's progress will suffer without the Brahmins. Well, look back and you find that he literally eradicated this evil religion and the state is now lot better off. Of course, when the people say 85% of India is Hindu, they include Tamilnadu as Hindu state but it really is not. The Northern India is today far behind the South because of the rising influence of these crooks.

If you have seen some Muslims celebrating Pakistani victory, I would ask you a simple question - are the Muslims truly treated fairly in India? The massacre in Gujerat was sponsored by the government with the excuse of a phony incident in Godhra (I have gone through all the information and found no evidence of that incident being a Muslim activity).

The propaganda artists of BJP/RSS have devised these kind of questions to divert attention of people from real issues. There is no need for us to regress to the past as it has been done by some Muslim countries.

You should also realize that India's superiority in nuclear research over Pakistan can be credited to Dr. Homi Bhabha and Dr. Kalam, both non-Hindus.

People like Bal Thakrey have used innocent/trusting people to serve their own cause. Only a couple of weeks ago I read an article that all the leaders of Shiv Sena send their kids to English medium schools but they preach Hindutva for the rest of us.

One of the direct result of the evils of Hinduism is the wretched poverty in the lower castes of India. The country can not progress unless every child has a reasonable access to education and opportunities. From now on I tell you just look carefully at the crowds on TV news in various countries and you will find how pathetic is the general situation is in India even compared to Pakistan. I feel shocked when I look at images on tv of Indian people and see basically a sick looking populace. Is India really "shining"?

I feel disgusted when I see a Jat praising Hinduism. There is nothing in it to be praised.
 
Some thoughts on "richness" of Punjab:
Before independence Punjab was a rich state, but there where other equally good regions in India. After independence, east punjab (India) not only maintained its better performance but also zoomed ahead of the much bigger and richer pakistani punjab. Huge sum of money and resources was spend on Punjab by India for stratagic reasons. A concentrated effort was made to make Punjab the best in India. This however does not take away any credit from Punjabis who made good use of the money spend by center. (Compare it to Bihar which technically is far far richer than Punjab).
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (Jun 01, 2004 02:36 p.m.):
I feel disgusted when I see a Jat praising Hinduism. There is nothing in it to be praised.
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I thought this was forum for hindu jats :)
 
Mu guess:
any muslim how uses choudhary as surname.
Mostly in Pakistan Punjab.

Babita (Jun 01, 2004 02:34 p.m.):
can someone enlighten me !!!
who are Muslim Jats ???????
Babita
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anil chaudhary (Jun 01, 2004 03:10 p.m.):
Mu guess:
any muslim how uses choudhary as surname.
Mostly in Pakistan Punjab.

Babita (Jun 01, 2004 02:34 p.m.):
can someone enlighten me !!!
who are Muslim Jats ???????
Babita
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To quote a pakistani muslim jat: Any non-gujjar , non-ranghad farmer is a jat.
Simple defintion :)
 
At Jaipur

I was in India for a month in March and there is something I observed at Jaipur. Its been amlost 5 yrs now since I have left Jaipur, and each yr I go back there, I see something good happening to this city. The roads have improved a hell lot in the last 4 yrs, the buying power of the costomers seems to have increased a great deal. I went to some plazas and movie theaters, they were really good. It was a really good experience this time, jaipur seems to be getting over with its conservative image.
Above all this, we have Vasundhara Raje as CM,who wants a 1 kk to be spend on renovations in the CM office before she enters there. Doesnt she know tht this is more than an 5 average men in jaipur would earn in their whole life. Well, on the other hand, what else can you expect from a female belonging to a royal family. I dont know who far Jaipur/Rajasthan Shining will go, with her as the CM.
Babita
 
Dr. Singh
With due respect (coze i am very younger to u), first i want to tell u that i am nither a RSS/BJp supporter nor of any other party. I always like to speek in the favour of my country as i love to my country the most. In regards to the lst line of ur artical, i want to ask u one thing that how BJP/RSS is responsible for the poorness of the HINDU JATS???? Thay have their govt. only for 5 year in this country. Did they concentrate only to make the HINDU JATS poorer in these last five year??? And did only because these 5 years Hindu Jats become poorest in this world?? Dr. sahab i am sorry to say but you may have some personal problems with this party. One one side you say that BJP/RSS have the most evil face of hinduisam and on the other side you want to say that because of them 'Muslim' Jats become reacher and 'Hindu' Jats become poorest.
Respected Sir, i am not able to understand what you want to say here. but what ever you say should say in such a way that it does not seems biasing but logical. Only few % of people in this country are blassed with such a good education as you are. So the people like you should take extra responsibility because its ur voice which matter. And if people will feel that you are biasing they will ignore some nice thing from you which deserve to be listen!!!!
Sir, again i want to say sorry if i have made some mistake in ur majesty.
Dr. Birbal Singh (Jun 01, 2004 09:45 a.m.):
Before I answer any of your questions let me tell you bluntly that the idol worshipping traditional Hindu religion is the most evil religion on earth. It is the only religion that has discrimination entranched in it.

I am very glad that we in Rajasthan had a decent chief minister, Barkatulla Khan for a while. Th damage done to the state and especially to the Jat community by Bhairon Singh Sekhawat and now beng done by Vasundhara Raje (she has nothing to do with the Jat community) will take a long time to repair.

I studied at IIT Bombay during 1960-1965 and it was pre-Shiv Sena/BJP days and the city was truly cosmopolitan and the foundation of modernization of Indian economy were laid before these Hindu fanatics became successful in fooling lot of people including some Jats on this website.

Why there is need to compare India with the Muslim countries? We do not need to go in the direction they are going. But if we have to progress as a country we have to take actions so that each community (and unfortunately, there are too man identifiable communities in India) is treated in a reasonably fair manner. India is a pluralistic society and to say that it is 85% Hindu is a total nonsense. Why should the vast majority of the Indian population who are branded as "lower caste" should be counted with the small minority of "upper caste" Hindus.

Jats are by and large a very hard working people. In the Indian subcontinent by coincidence the Jats are divided in nearly equal numbers among Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. The Muslim Jats are the most prosperous as a group and the Sikhs are fairly well to do as well. The majority of Hindu Jats are quite poor even by Indian standards and lack access to educational opportunities. an some of these BJP/RSS supporting Jats on this site tell me why the Hindu Jats are in relatively poor situation as compared to their Muslim and Sikh communities?

My message to Jats is not to be fooled and used by the Hindu Religion crooks who have cheated us for centuries.
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