jaat aarakshan kyo?? iske fayde??

I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.

1) Are we socially deprived?

The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.

2) Are we economically weak?

We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.

3) Are we educationally weak?

We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.

If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.

We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.

Where is our honor and pride my friends?

Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?

We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
 
I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.

1) Are we socially deprived?

The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.

2) Are we economically weak?

We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.

3) Are we educationally weak?

We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.

If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.

We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.

Where is our honor and pride my friends?

Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?

We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
 
Bhai eb to mil gya Aarakshan. Tu late ho gya maada sa.... Tenne ye daleel NCBC ki sunwaayi ke time kyu nahi di uss Ashok Saini ke aage... :victorious:

Baaki, whenever you fill any form, do select the "General category" option and you will never face any issues because of Jat reservation.



prashantdabas said:
I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.

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We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
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prashantdabas said:
I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.

1) Are we socially deprived?

The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.
Every community is proud in themselves, eg. Vir Gurjar !, But we hear the proud outcry of ourselves only becasue we're outspoken. May be, hide your jat identity for a while & sit among other community meetings. What they say n think of Jats & their communities.To measure social depriveness, one shouldn't just limit imaginations to urban jats only. you'll see how jats are managing a sqaure meal

2) Are we economically weak?

We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.
We must talk in percentage & not in numbers. We must think of jat in totality, not that of particular belt which is got rich because of what .. selling land??...Is this what we need to feel pride about. Go to urban villages and see by yourself how men n children have blown up this whole quick money. I know you would blame jat for this, but i blame the quick money (The one's that are getting richer are the one's that are buying this land and making buildings and malls on it). Moreover, once all the land is sold off and this quick money gets vanished what will be the future of these once crorepati jats?

3) Are we educationally weak?

Yes, we are. Go to any tier-I colleges and compare again... but in %. There is a difference in just being mere education & quaility education.

We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.

If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.

Brother, exceptions are not example.

We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.

Where is our honor and pride my friends?

Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?

[/Have yadavs, as community stopped taking pride in themselves?[COLOR]

We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
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I was of the same opinion till quite a couple of years ago, untill i travelled a lot in hinterland of Rajasthan, Haryana, MP. My answers are in color.
 
Ohh, by the way Prashant Dabas.

You joined JL in Nov 2009.

Your post count is 4. All four posts are the same copy paste, that you posted today.

Rest we can understand....
 
prashantdabas said:
I think reservation for jats is completely unfair and can't be justified. I want to bring the following points in the discussion.

1) Are we socially deprived?

The answer I feel is a big NO. A jat has always been proud of calling himself a jat which is not the case with other castes in OBC list.

2) Are we economically weak?

We had always been land owners, zamindars and kings, who had been providing employment to other castes through out the history. Consider the example of jats of Delhi, the price of land is so high there that almost everyone is a croepati.

3) Are we educationally weak?

We have lot of people reaching high posts in all walks of life. But there are still a lot of jats who don't get good education, this was even the worry of Sir Chhotu Ram in 1920s. However, jats have all the means to get good education. Lack of education is not forced on us by any one its a choice.

If we are not socially, economically and educationally backward on what basis we accepted this reservation. Sir Chhotu Ram would have been very UNHAPPY AND ASHAMED on this decision of the jat community. We have gone against his vision for jats "Khudi ko kar buland itna ke har taqder se pehle, Khuda bande se ye poche bata teri raza kia hai". He graduated from St. Stephan's College, Delhi University (topmost college in India) and held several high positions on the basis of his talent not because of any reservation. Many of us today are in good colleges and at higher posts not because of reservation but due to hard work.

We have violated the Kshatriya philosophy of sacrificing for the weak. Today, we are pretending to be weak ourselves and asking others to sacrifice for us.

Where is our honor and pride my friends?

Many of us say, several other forward casts have got reservation than why not we. Shouldn't we set an example by declining the reservation? Shouldn't we start a movement against all type of caste based reservation? Shouldn't we vouch reservation only for the economically weak irrespective of cast. We should portray such high moral standards that the rest of people in the country cite us as an example. Isn't that the vision of our great forefathers? Wouldn't our children be proud us for this sacrifice?

We have lost more than we have gained from this reservation.
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Bhai thoda jago neend se...Hindustan bhi sone ki chidiya kehlaya jata tha pehle, kya ab koi keh sakta h kya?

Bhai aapne land price ki bat ki, land price chahe lakho me ho ya crores me, jab zamin bikegi tabhi to kisi insan k pas paise aayenge...Jat apni zamin nahi bechta h, Jat k liye zamin Maa ki tarah hoti h...Fir kya farak padta h k us zamin k rate kitne bhi ho. Aakhir kitni zamin bachi h Jato k pas, koi jankari h kya aapke pas, ya hawa me hi land price land price chilla rahe ho.

Jato k alava zamine aur bhi community k pas h, unki zamin k rate bhi jato ki zamin k barabar h. Aur unhe OBC me rakha gaya h...kya yeh bhed bhav nahi tha ka Jato k khilaf.

Bhai Jat Delhi aur aas pas ke ilake k alava baki 13 states me bhi rehte h. Jin Jato ko reservation nahi chahiye to apna Certificate na banaye, lekin apne chakkar me baki jato ko mar rahe ho. Sir Chhotu Ram ka example liya aapne jo ki bilkul galat h, jis zamane me Sir Chhotu Ram ji the, kya paristhithi aaj bhi vaisi hi h...Kya Sir Chhotu Ram ji ne aisa kaha tha k selfish ho jao aur apni soch ki vajah se dusre garib Jato ko bhi unka haq nahi lene do? Kripya zarur jawab dijiye.

St. Stephens college ki bat na karo to achcha hoga...is college se kitne hi backward class k log padhe hue h...Apne hi time ka example de deta hu apko...Sachin Pilot ka name to suna hi hoga, usne bhi St. Stephens College se padhai ki h. Sachin Pilot ki Gujjar community ko OBC reservation bhi h.

Finally, jo Jat reservation k khilaf h kripya karke apna reservation na lena aur nahi hi apni parivar walo ko lene de. Apki ati kripa ho. Lekin Jatland.com jaise public forum par Jat reservation k oppose karke apne dusre Jat bhaiyo k haq me tang na adaye.
 
Anil ji
I have already stated we should fight for everybody who is weaker and should get reservation even a Jat. You frankly tell aren't there more deprived people in your village who deserve OBC status before Jats.
Its not about me filling forms. I have already crossed the stage of filling forms.
Its about taking the community and the country as whole in right direction.
 
prashantdabas said:
Anil ji
I have already stated we should fight for everybody who is weaker and should get reservation even a Jat. You frankly tell aren't there more deprived people in your village who deserve OBC status before Jats.
Its not about me filling forms. I have already crossed the stage of filling forms.
Its about taking the community and the country as whole in right direction.
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Bhai pehle jao aur Central aur state government ki OBC list dekho, kitni communities already added h, jinki tum bat kar rahe ho.

I request you to remain unbiased towards Jat reservation if you can't support it.
 
Hak mehnat se liya jata hai bhai. Aur aaj persthiti Sir Chhotu Ram ke time se bhot achi hai. Jin elako me jat kamjor hai unko sirf resrvation sarkar se hi nahi baki jato se bhi milna chahiye. Agar baki log agar galat raste pe hai to kya ham bhi unke peche chale ya unko thik kare.
And dear discussion happens when we have all sort if views for and in.
 
Bhai you can attack me personally. Its your will. You are veterns of the forum and I am a novice.
I put forward two options:
1) Keep increasing the reservation to various casts.
2) Stop caste based reservation and give reservation for only the economically weak including jats.
what you feel is better for our country?
Honestly, This decision of jat community has shaken me.
 
1) Don't you agree that many casts need be in OBC list.
2) Again, only the economically weak deserve reservation.
3) Sir Chhotu Ram told us to study 90 years back we didn't listen and now we cry fowl. He is an example not exception.
 
prashantdabas said:
1) Don't you agree that many casts need be in OBC list.
2) Again, only the economically weak deserve reservation.
3) Sir Chhotu Ram told us to study 90 years back we didn't listen and now we cry fowl. He is an example not exception.
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As rightly said before, those who think it is not required may file their applications through general category. Reservation here doesn't mean we are not capable or are backward. It means the situation which already present reservation has created is really sad and was a setback so general candidates.
 
prashantdabas said:
Jin elako me jat kamjor hai unko sirf resrvation sarkar se hi nahi baki jato se bhi milna chahiye.
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Bhai aapne yeh bat bilkul pate ki kahi h....Aap bhi ek Jat hokar, kamzor Jato ka haq kyu mar rahe ho...Jat reservation ko oppose kar ke. Kya aap bhi baki Jato ki category me nahi khade ho jate ho, Jat reservation ko oppose karke?

Bhai Sir Chhotu Ram ji k time ki paristithi maine competition k mamle me kahi thi...Sir Chhotu Ram ji k zamane me zyada competition tha ya aaj zyada h...Pehle bina competition k kisi bhi bade college me addmission ho jata tha...ab kya aisa hi h.

Bhai jo bate aapne post me likhi h wo ek me bhi to likh sakta tha... ;-) Aap bhi lagta h veteran banana chahte ho kam time me Kejriwal ki tarah... just kidding !
 
O Bhai... where were you in 1993 when VP Singh implemented Mandal Commission.
Let me promise you one thing --- you get all other castes removed from reservation list. Jats will be the first one to pledge their support and we will will let it go for our community as well.

Kab kar rahe ho aandolan shuru bhai?


prashantdabas said:
I am unbiased. We should get those communities removed from the list.
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Bhai Jats don't need reservation as a community. Some of us do need. I am not against weak jats who really need to be uplifted. I am against those affluent jats who sell their land and dont study and they bet on reservation to get in govt jobs.
 
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