Again, I am more interested in what you have to say on the points which you questioned regarding Aurangjeb and Jatts in khalsa.
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Again, I am more interested in what you have to say on the points which you questioned regarding Aurangjeb and Jatts in khalsa.
drrajpalsingh
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Dear Friend,
Thanks for your inquest. I shall try to put my views on both the points open for debate in due course of time.
It would be appreciated if you kindly send specific question as to what has to be discussed about "Jatts in Khalsa" as it would enable us to fruitfully discuss them point wise.
Regards
Thanks for your inquest. I shall try to put my views on both the points open for debate in due course of time.
It would be appreciated if you kindly send specific question as to what has to be discussed about "Jatts in Khalsa" as it would enable us to fruitfully discuss them point wise.
Regards
हम अक्सर कहते हैं की फलाना काम करण का धर्म नहीं | हर धर्म का अपना एक संविधान हैं उसूल हैं | हिन्दू धर्म का संविधान क्या हैं ? या न्यू कह ले के हिन्दू व्यक्ति का धर्म क्या हैं ? उत्तर भारत के ज्यादातर जाट (हिन्दू) आर्य समाज का मानते हैं | आर्य समाज हिन्दू धर्म के ढोंगो के विरुद्ध बनाया गया एक अलग पंथ हैं , इसमें जाति-पति ना हो कर वर्ण व्यवस्था पर जोर दिया गया हैं | जब इस पंथ की नीवं रखी गई तो हरियाणा दिल्ली पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के जाटों ने इस पंथ को अपनाया | उस वक़्त इस समाज या पंथ की नीवं रखना हिन्दू धर्म से एक तरह की बगावत थी | इस समाज को उन्ही जातियों ने सर आँखों पर लिया जिनकी हिन्दू धर्म में कोई इज्जत नहीं थी | अगर यह हिन्दू धर्म इतना ही अच्छा होता , इस धर्म में जाटों को उचित सम्मान मिला होता तो हमारे बुजुर्गों को इन और पन्थो की तरफ जाने की जरुरत नहीं पड़ती | जाटों ने जिस मान सम्मान के लिए इस आर्य समाज को अपनाया उसमे भी जाटों के साथ दोखा हुआ | इस समाज के संस्थापक ब्राह्मण ने इसके संविधान में जाटों के साथ फिर वोहीं दोगली चाल खेली | इन ब्राह्मणों के चक्कर में पड़ कर जाट न हिन्दू ही रहा और ना ही आर्य समाजी बना | इतिहास में जाटों के चार बार धर्म परिवर्तन का जिक्र आता हैं और इस परिवर्तन का कारण कौम को व कौम के इतिहास को उचित सम्मान रहा हैं | आज फिर वोहीं हाल हो रहा हैं हमारे (जाटों) पुराने रीती रिवाजो के साथ छेड़ छाड़ हो रही हैं | जाट कौम जो कर्म में विश्वास रखती हैं जो पूजा पाठ के नाम पर सिर्फ अपने पूर्वजो को मानती हैं , पूर्वजो की पूजा करती हैं हर गाँव में एक भैयां होती हैं उसकी पूजा होती थी , पंजाबी में भैया को जठेरे बोल देते हैं इन जठेरो के नाम से मेले लगते हैं | बैसाखी तीज आदि सीधे सादे त्यौहार थे परन्तु आज फिर हमारे ऊपर ब्राह्मणवाद पूरी तरह से हावी होता जा रहा हैं , हमारे गाँव में जहा मंदिर के नाम पर सिर्फ शिवालय होता था आज तरह तरह के देवी देवताओ के नाम से दूकान खुल रही हैं , इन देवी देवताओ का डर बैठाया जा रहा हैं | इस हिन्दू धर्म के ठेकेदारों ने तरह तरह के नाम से सेना बना रखी हैं rss तो कहीं शिव सेना तो कहीं बजरंग दल और भी कई तरह की हैं और हमारे युवाओ को बहकाया जा रहा हैं | गौ रक्षा पर यह लोग हो हल्ला कर रहे हैं , इनके एक के भी घर में गाये बंदी नहीं मिलेगी | हिन्दू धर्म को मानने वालो की आबादी आज देश में घट कर 73 % के करीब हो गई हैं (इस 73 % में कई ऐसे पंथ शामिल हैं जिनको अलग धर्म की मान्यता नहीं मिली हैं , उन सभी पन्थो की नीवं भी इस धर्म के आडम्बरो के विरुद्ध रखी हैं ) पर इन पोंगे पंडो को अब भी अकल नहीं आई अभी भी यह लोग उसी ठगा ठोरी में लगे हैं | इसलिए इन फ़ालतू की सेनाओ की बातो में ना आ करके धर्म से पहले हमे अपनी कौम के बारे में सोचना हैं |
कुछ लोगो का कहना हैं के हम हिन्दू धर्म में रह कर भी इसको सुधार सकते हैं | अगर सुधार सकते तो क्या हमारे बुजुर्ग न सुधार लेते ? क्या उन्होंने कोशिश नहीं की होगी ? अगर सुधार सकते हैं तो अच्छी बात हैं ,अपने विचार दे कैसे सुधार सकते हैं |
इस लेख को थोड़ा शांत सवभाव से पढ़े , इसमें लेखक ने कौम की बेहतरी के लिए , कौम को कायरता व पाखंडवाद से बचाने के लिए सुझाव मांगे हैं , विचार मंथन के लिए कहा हैं ना की धर्म परिवर्तन थोपा हैं | साथ में लेखक ने अपने खुद के हर धर्म के बारे में विचार भी बताये हैं |
कुछ लोगो का कहना हैं के हम हिन्दू धर्म में रह कर भी इसको सुधार सकते हैं | अगर सुधार सकते तो क्या हमारे बुजुर्ग न सुधार लेते ? क्या उन्होंने कोशिश नहीं की होगी ? अगर सुधार सकते हैं तो अच्छी बात हैं ,अपने विचार दे कैसे सुधार सकते हैं |
इस लेख को थोड़ा शांत सवभाव से पढ़े , इसमें लेखक ने कौम की बेहतरी के लिए , कौम को कायरता व पाखंडवाद से बचाने के लिए सुझाव मांगे हैं , विचार मंथन के लिए कहा हैं ना की धर्म परिवर्तन थोपा हैं | साथ में लेखक ने अपने खुद के हर धर्म के बारे में विचार भी बताये हैं |
upendersingh
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Hinduism is a major religion in India and according to 2001 census, Hinduism was followed by around 80% of population in India. Other significant populations are found in Nepal (23 million), Bangladesh (14 million) and the Indonesian island of Bali (3.3 million).
Countries with the greatest proportion of Hindus from Hinduism by country (as of 2008):
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Countries with the greatest proportion of Hindus from Hinduism by country (as of 2008):
- Nepal 86.5%
- India 80.5%
- Mauritius 54%
- Guyana 28%
- Fiji 27.9%
- Bhutan 25%
- Trinidad and Tobago 22.5%
- Suriname 20%
- Sri Lanka 15%
- Bangladesh 9%
- Qatar 7.2%
- Réunion 6.7%
- Malaysia 6.3%
- Bahrain 6.25%
- Kuwait 6%
- United Arab Emirates 5%
- Singapore 4%
- Oman 3%
- Belize 2.3%
- Seychelles 2.1%
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upendersingh
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The Amarnath temple is a popular yatra destination for Hindus. In 2011 it received about 634,000 people which was highest recorded number for the site. Pilgrims visit the holy site during the 45-day season around the festival of Shravani Mela in July–August, coinciding with the Hindu holy month of Shraavana.
The beginning of the annual pilgrimage, called Amarnath Yatra,[SUP][/SUP] to the Himalayan cave shrine is marked by 'pratham pujan' to invoke the blessings of Shri Amarnathji.[SUP][/SUP]
The beginning of the annual pilgrimage, called Amarnath Yatra,[SUP][/SUP] to the Himalayan cave shrine is marked by 'pratham pujan' to invoke the blessings of Shri Amarnathji.[SUP][/SUP]
upendersingh
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Record pilgrims visit Vaishno Devi
Sunday, December 25, 2011
Jammu: A record number of 9.9 million pilgrims from India and abroad visited the Hindu shrine of Mata Vaishno Devi in Jammu region this year, an official said on Sunday.
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The Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board (SMVDSB) said the number of pilgrims has been increasing by about a million every year in the last four years.
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Sunday, December 25, 2011
Jammu: A record number of 9.9 million pilgrims from India and abroad visited the Hindu shrine of Mata Vaishno Devi in Jammu region this year, an official said on Sunday.
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The Shri Mata Vaishno Devi Shrine Board (SMVDSB) said the number of pilgrims has been increasing by about a million every year in the last four years.
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upendersingh
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Hinduism is growing day by day (I have given evidences in my above posts) and that day doesn't seem far away when this greatest religion will take over whole world again.
upendersingh
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जय बजरंग बली!
हर-हर महादेव!
जय श्रीराम!
हर-हर महादेव!
जय श्रीराम!
upendersingh
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Is Sikhism a sinking ship???
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In Punjab, the turban is disappearing fast
Oct 30, 2006, PATIALA: Imagine the swirling fields of Punjab — and its urbanscape too — peopled by Sikhs with crew cuts and long hair, gelled and oiled, spiked and straightened, but without the ubiquitous turban. Can't? You will if you only hear of the number of people heading for the barber's shop.
In a radical movement of sorts that is sweeping the entire expanse of Punjab, the young Sikh is not thinking twice before shearing his tresses. The trend has both shocked and worried community leaders. With 90% of all Sikh families in Punjab with at least a couple of members without a turban, the Panth has reasons for anxiety.
"It is a challenge to the traditional Sikh identity. There are lakhs of people who might imbibe Sikhism in spirit but the most visible symbol of Sikh faith, the turban, is disappearing fast. The new generation has not understood the principles of Sikh faith properly and is giving in to Western influences," says Avtar Singh Makkar, president of Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, the highest decision-taking body for Sikhs. Elders in families are fighting a losing battle against the zeal of young Sikh men ready for the shearing. "Hair is not just a symbol, it is the gift from God and Sikhism calls for its preservation. If the alarming trend is not checked we will one day have no Sikh with a turban to show," added an anxious Tehal Singh, an elder in village Muradpur, Patiala.
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Sikhs Balbir Singh (right) and Malkeet Singh chose to cut their locks, an act they acknowledged was wrong.
Losing the Turban: Indian Sikhs at odds on essentials
6 December, 2011, New Delhi (CNN) - On a Saturday afternoon, Balbir Singh and Malkeet Singh find sanctuary from the Indian capital's chaos in the landmark Bangla Sahib gurdwara, or Sikh temple. The two friends, like so many young Sikhs, have come on this day to reflect on their faith.
They acknowledge their sin is highly visible.
Neither has a beard. Neither is wearing a turban. Both are important symbols of their religion, intrinsic to Sikh identity.
"I know it's wrong to cut my hair," says Balbir Singh, his head covered with a printed black and white cotton scarf - both men and women must cover their hair before entering the gurdwara.
But in 2011, he says, a turban feels outdated and not in sync with the Western fashions adopted by Indian men.
"Besides," he says, with a smile, "women don't like turbans."
Whether it's style or more pragmatic reasons like getting a job, many younger Sikhs think the turban old hat.
It's a trend that has alarmed the leadership of the world's 25-million-strong Sikh community and fueled debate on whether you can still be considered a good Sikh if you cut your hair.
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In Punjab, the turban is disappearing fast
Oct 30, 2006, PATIALA: Imagine the swirling fields of Punjab — and its urbanscape too — peopled by Sikhs with crew cuts and long hair, gelled and oiled, spiked and straightened, but without the ubiquitous turban. Can't? You will if you only hear of the number of people heading for the barber's shop.
In a radical movement of sorts that is sweeping the entire expanse of Punjab, the young Sikh is not thinking twice before shearing his tresses. The trend has both shocked and worried community leaders. With 90% of all Sikh families in Punjab with at least a couple of members without a turban, the Panth has reasons for anxiety.
"It is a challenge to the traditional Sikh identity. There are lakhs of people who might imbibe Sikhism in spirit but the most visible symbol of Sikh faith, the turban, is disappearing fast. The new generation has not understood the principles of Sikh faith properly and is giving in to Western influences," says Avtar Singh Makkar, president of Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee, the highest decision-taking body for Sikhs. Elders in families are fighting a losing battle against the zeal of young Sikh men ready for the shearing. "Hair is not just a symbol, it is the gift from God and Sikhism calls for its preservation. If the alarming trend is not checked we will one day have no Sikh with a turban to show," added an anxious Tehal Singh, an elder in village Muradpur, Patiala.
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Sikhs Balbir Singh (right) and Malkeet Singh chose to cut their locks, an act they acknowledged was wrong.
Losing the Turban: Indian Sikhs at odds on essentials
6 December, 2011, New Delhi (CNN) - On a Saturday afternoon, Balbir Singh and Malkeet Singh find sanctuary from the Indian capital's chaos in the landmark Bangla Sahib gurdwara, or Sikh temple. The two friends, like so many young Sikhs, have come on this day to reflect on their faith.
They acknowledge their sin is highly visible.
Neither has a beard. Neither is wearing a turban. Both are important symbols of their religion, intrinsic to Sikh identity.
"I know it's wrong to cut my hair," says Balbir Singh, his head covered with a printed black and white cotton scarf - both men and women must cover their hair before entering the gurdwara.
But in 2011, he says, a turban feels outdated and not in sync with the Western fashions adopted by Indian men.
"Besides," he says, with a smile, "women don't like turbans."
Whether it's style or more pragmatic reasons like getting a job, many younger Sikhs think the turban old hat.
It's a trend that has alarmed the leadership of the world's 25-million-strong Sikh community and fueled debate on whether you can still be considered a good Sikh if you cut your hair.
ravinderjeet
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सवाल ----- जाट का धरम क्या हे ?जबाब ----- ना किते पांद , ना किते सरहाणा |
आपस में लड़ -लड़ मर जाणा |
आपस में लड़ -लड़ मर जाणा |
devarbikshe
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Nice reply but everything you stated, the other communities say the oppsoite 
I wonder where they got all those ideas. Perhaps anyone who lives in Haryana and uses tah tlangauge, peopel atomatically think they're jatts. Anyways, to be honest i am from Delhi and even to my ears the Haryanvi lingo or UP lingo sounds pretty harsh.
I wonder where they got all those ideas. Perhaps anyone who lives in Haryana and uses tah tlangauge, peopel atomatically think they're jatts. Anyways, to be honest i am from Delhi and even to my ears the Haryanvi lingo or UP lingo sounds pretty harsh.devarbikshe
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I humbly disagree, i think you have not come across how many times brahmins have called jatts shudras and in their rss booklets they have a mission to make jatts as their servants.
क्यूं बूछ मारो सो, राकेश भाई. बेरा नि कितने तथाकथित जट्ट एक भाप्पे (गुरु नानक) नै अपणा बाबू कह सैं अर भाप्पे कीह भी जट्ट नै अपणा बाबू नि कहनते...ऊपर आप भी बेर-बेर अपने गौती भाई कमांडेंट सांगवान का हवाला दे-दे कै नै जाटां नै इस बाबत फुसलाण की कोशिश कर रहे सो अक बाकी जाट भी उस भाप्पे नै अपना बाबू मानण लाग जा अर सरदार बण जा...अपनी बात नै आप्पे काटो सो...जाटां नै सरदार बणाकै उन पै अमली-नशेडी (भारत में नंबर 1) होणे अर इसके अलग भी और घणे ही दाग लगवाण की सोच रहे सो के...? कमांडेंट सांगवान अर आप पहलै खुद तो सरदार बणो...अगर सरदार बण राखे सो तो कित सै आपका दाढा अर कित सै पग्गड़...?
कमांडेंट सांगवान की सारी बात बकवास सैं. जाट हिंदुआं का गौरव सैं. हिंदू बण कै नै जाट विश्व चैम्पियन बणे सै, संपन्न बणे सै, देश के माह अल्पसंख्यक नी बाजदे...और भी दुनिया-भर की उपलब्धियां सै...के-के गिणवाऊं...
devarbikshe
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I appreciate your efforts, I replied to two posts earlier but for some reason they didn't get posted here. It is painful to see that some people do not see their enemies , brahamanism ( not everyday brahmins, but the ideology) and are advocating for Hinduism. This is what happens when people do not know their own history. Hinduism and jats are two different things, Hindusim is a waste of time in practcial world .
devarbikshe
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Bhara pada ha interent , seaech kar lena , al ebruni ne bhi shudra kaha tha, uska koi ulterior motive nahi tha jaisa bataya vaisa likh diya , rajput shudr kehte hai, aur bahot logo ko dekh raha hu keh rahe hai rajput jat hi the, kabhi koi rajput nahi manega. Objective analysis me search karo you will find jatts were outside varna system (did all kinds of works which range from fighting to farming but did not like interference by these hindu kings i ntheir region sindh ), ab brahminism boley that greeks and romans are shudras to vo shudra ho gaye ? Ye logic hai unka . And jo nahi manta unhe vo sab shudra hai unke liye . So jatts did not believe any hindu rituals and hence were the ire of brahmins . Bahot dukh ho raha hai to see some jattts defending hinduism without knowing any history.
Jat ka dharm itne lambe samay se discuss kiya jaa raha hai, mujhe maaloom hi nahi pada.
Jat to khud devta hai jo dharti sinchta hai aur sabko bhojan parosta hai. Dharm aur karm ki aad mein na jaane kitne inn seedhe-saral logon se khel gaye aur ab bhi khel kar rahe hain.
Jat to khud devta hai jo dharti sinchta hai aur sabko bhojan parosta hai. Dharm aur karm ki aad mein na jaane kitne inn seedhe-saral logon se khel gaye aur ab bhi khel kar rahe hain.