Jat - Identity and Social Status

In the last few posts the background to study the topic has been given.

Now the participants are requested to share the information in

their possession about the origin of the word "JAT".

If the first time use of the Word ''Jat'' is brought to light,

the identity of the community represented by this word,

--Jat--, would not be difficult to establish.

Is the word, Jat, denoting community available in Ancient literature like

Vedic, Buddhist, Jain, Later Vedic literature including Ramayana and

Mahabharata, and so on. Then one can proceed to Smiritis, Vyakaranas,

Arthasastras, epigraphy, numismatic etc.etc. Kindly share the information quoting source.
 
An extract on the issue from a research article is reproduced with due acknowledgements from :

Common Origin of Croats, Serbs and Jats By: Dr. Samar Abbas, Bhubaneshwar, India Jat Jyoti, Vol.4 no.11 (Nov. 2003) p.13-18. (Magazine of the World Jat Aryan Foundation, 248, Ram Krishna Vihar, 29, IP Extension, Delhi-110 092) - See more at: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php#sthash.WPJIC6t6.dpuf


"Jats
Where do the Jats come into this? Now, the Jats are generally held to be of Scythian descent. The Jat-Sikhs are also of Saka descent, for indeed the very name "Sikh" is derived from "Saka" (Sara 1978). Noted historian Satya Shrava notes, "The Jats are none other than the Massagetae (Great Getae) mentioned in Diodorus as an off-spring of the ancient Saka tribe.... a fact now well-known" (Shrava 1981, p.2-3). Eminent scholars like Tod, Toynbee, Trevaskis, Keene, Kephart, Dhillon, Dahiya, Prakash and Bingley directly or indirectly connected Jat, Goths and Scythians. Thus, the famed Anglo-American historian Toynbee notes:
"It may not be fantastic to conjecture that the Tuetonic-speaking Goths and Gauts of Scandinavia may have been descended from a fragment of the same Indo-European-speaking tribe as the homonymous Getae and Thyssagetae and Massagetae of the Eurasian Steppe who are represented today by the Jats of the Panjab." (Toynbee 1934, p.435).​
Furthermore, some scholars hold that the Scythians and Iranics originated in the Punjab and from thence migrated across the world. Whatever the details of the original home of the Iranoid race itself, all scholars agree that the Jats, Serbs and Croats predominantly belong to the same ethnic stock. - See more at: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php#sthash.WPJIC6t6.dpuf

For full research paper connected with the topic, kindly log in :http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
An extract on the issue from a research article is reproduced with due acknowledgements from :

Common Origin of Croats, Serbs and Jats By: Dr. Samar Abbas, Bhubaneshwar, India Jat Jyoti, Vol.4 no.11 (Nov. 2003) p.13-18. (Magazine of the World Jat Aryan Foundation, 248, Ram Krishna Vihar, 29, IP Extension, Delhi-110 092) - See more at: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php#sthash.WPJIC6t6.dpuf




"Jats
Where do the Jats come into this? Now, the Jats are generally held to be of Scythian descent. The Jat-Sikhs are also of Saka descent, for indeed the very name "Sikh" is derived from "Saka" (Sara 1978). Noted historian Satya Shrava notes, "The Jats are none other than the Massagetae (Great Getae) mentioned in Diodorus as an off-spring of the ancient Saka tribe.... a fact now well-known" (Shrava 1981, p.2-3). Eminent scholars like Tod, Toynbee, Trevaskis, Keene, Kephart, Dhillon, Dahiya, Prakash and Bingley directly or indirectly connected Jat, Goths and Scythians. Thus, the famed Anglo-American historian Toynbee notes:
"It may not be fantastic to conjecture that the Tuetonic-speaking Goths and Gauts of Scandinavia may have been descended from a fragment of the same Indo-European-speaking tribe as the homonymous Getae and Thyssagetae and Massagetae of the Eurasian Steppe who are represented today by the Jats of the Panjab." (Toynbee 1934, p.435).​
Furthermore, some scholars hold that the Scythians and Iranics originated in the Punjab and from thence migrated across the world. Whatever the details of the original home of the Iranoid race itself, all scholars agree that the Jats, Serbs and Croats predominantly belong to the same ethnic stock. - See more at: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php#sthash.WPJIC6t6.dpuf

For full research paper connected with the topic, kindly log in :http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php
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The concept of "Jats" having "Scythian Origins" seems to be true. As per "Sikhs", they are no different from "Jats", we are the same people, who have shared same food, same land, same water, same air, same blood through out ages. The word "Sikh" being derived out of "Scythian", might also hold true.
 
maddhan1979 said:
The concept of "Jats" having "Scythian Origins" seems to be true. As per "Sikhs", they are no different from "Jats", we are the same people, who have shared same food, same land, same water, same air, same blood through out ages. The word "Sikh" being derived out of "Scythian", might also hold true.
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Friend,

It is over-simplification of the issue for three reasons.

To trace the origin and meaning of the 'Jat' one has to go deeper in the historic growth of the identity of the Jat community and the root of the word JAT.

And to compare the origin of the word Jat, which is of very old currency, with the origin of the word 'Sikh' is not right thing as the Sikhism originated and developed in the 16th Century A.D. onwards.

Secondly origin of the word 'Sikh' is assigned to word 'Sishya' i.e. disciple by the Sikh Gurus themselves. So it has no connexion whatever with the scythian words.

Thirdly, kindly note that all the Sikhs are not Jats.

As regards, the concept of Jats having Scythian origins, the issue needs further elaboration as to find answers to why, when, where and how it happened !

Thanks.
 
maddhan1979 said:
The concept of "Jats" having "Scythian Origins" seems to be true. As per "Sikhs", they are no different from "Jats", we are the same people, who have shared same food, same land, same water, same air, same blood through out ages. The word "Sikh" being derived out of "Scythian", might also hold true.
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Friend,

Regarding Scythian connections of the Jats, a good article can be read by log in :Thread: encyclopedia 1902 Edition - Scythians in India

initiated by Vivek kaliyar.



Also word reading :

http://www.jattworld.com/online/bird...w-jatt-history

and also word reading:


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Since no input is pouring in, should we move to discussion on some other issue and thus let the participants collect relevant data from the sources available and accessible to them on the topic of the thread.
 
Have the Indian Jat/Jaat/Jutt any relation to the variant connotation Getae as has been expounded by Col. James Todd and a few other historians. About Getae log in http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/232175/Getae and read:

Getae, an ancient people of Thracian origin, inhabiting the banks of the lower Danube region and nearby plains. First appearing in the 6th century bc, the Getae were subjected to Scythian influence and were known as expert mounted archers and devotees of the deity Zalmoxis. Although the daughter of their king became the wife of Philip II of Macedon in 342 bc, the Macedonians under Philip II’s sonAlexander crossed the Danube and burned the Getic capital seven years later. Getic technology was influenced by that of the invading Celts in the 4th and 3rd centuries bc. Under Burebistas (fl. lst centurybc), the Getae and nearby Dacians formed a powerful but short-lived state. By the middle of the following century, when the Romans had gained control over the lower Danube region, thousands of Getae were displaced, and, not long thereafter, references to the Getae disappeared from history. Later writers wrongly gave the name Getae to the Goths.
The Getae and Dacians were closely related; some historians even suggest that these were names applied to a single people by different observers or at different times. Their culture is sometimes calledGeto-Dacian.
 
Here is a very interesting link about Jat :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jat_(Sangli)&redirect=no and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jat_(Sangli)

Jat (Marathi:जत, Kannada:ಜತ್) sometimes also written as Jath in English) is a town and taluka headquarters in Miraj subdivision of Sangli districtof Maharashtra in India.It was the former capital of Jath State, one of the non-salute Maratha princely states of British India, under the Bombay Presidency, and later the Deccan States Agency. It was one of the southern Maratha Jagirs.. There is famous temple of (Goddess) Shri Banshankari in Banali village, 10 km from Jat towards North.
In Jath, there is village known as Umrani famous for Goddess Dhaneshwari.Umarani is 18 KM from Jat & 88 KM from Dist. Sangli. In Jath Taluka "Bilur" is one another important village which is famous for Bhairavnath temple.

Has this something to do with the present day people known as Jats.

The history of the ruling house needs deeper research, is there any taker !

Views of the readers are invited.
 
According to Ram Sarup Joon ''There are three main theories about the ancient roots of the word ‘Jat’ Viz.‘A race originated from ‘the “Jatas’ of ‘[[Lord Shiva]] and thus came to be known as Jats.”


Jat is a phonetic corruption of ‘[[Yat]]’ which is from the Sanskrit root -‘ya’ - meaning performer or protector of a Yagya.”


‘Jat originated from ‘Yayat’ who was one of the earliest ruler of [[Chandra Vanshi]] [[Aryan]]s.’


A detailed analysis of these shows that all the three theories are credible and interconnected.''

For further analysis and details link is :http://www.jatland.com/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Jats/Chapter_II&action=edit&section=2




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DrRajpalSingh said:
Does the similarity of name of the place [Jat (Marathi:जत, Kannada:ಜತ್) sometimes also written as Jath in English) is a town and taluka headquarters in Miraj subdivision of Sangli district of Maharashtra] has anything to do with the 'Jat' as community!

Comments of the readers are solicited.

Thanks.
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The family names like Chauhan, Panwar, Dalal etc. are also found in Maharastra. So, it is possible that there has been tribal migration to these areas in the ancient past.
 
In my experience, the history of India as available through artifacts and archaeological evidences accessible by general public, is still quite adequate to give a peep into the true past. I think, satisfaction depends on what one is able to construct out of the evidence, of course in a logical and scientific fashion. As they say, truth cannot be destroyed.


maddhan1979 said:
I am sorry to say, i find it hard to debate even go indepth in all the threads and posts that u have posted here on the forum just because of two reasons:

1. Archelogical digging in India is very less. Archaeological artifacts have been looted and changed through out history of India. Religion has played a very negative role in this perspective, what or which ever religion that might be.
2. History of India is incomplete untill and unless we connect it with history of "Bharat". At least in north western regions of "Bharat", and we all know, what has happened to arts, artifacts, and other reminents of ancient past of this land that ancient Indians called "Bharat" (Present India, Pakistan, Afghanistan). The ancient sculptures, monuments, paintings and other artifacts which were the window of any land to its ancient past has been destroyed in the name of different religions or out of shear ignorance. Whatever was left, was put infront of the public according to the way in which the ancient rulers or present day public and religious leaders wanted.
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urmiladuhan said:
In my experience, the history of India as available through artifacts and archaeological evidences accessible by general public, is still quite adequate to give a peep into the true past. I think, satisfaction depends on what one is able to construct out of the evidence, of course in a logical and scientific fashion. As they say, truth cannot be destroyed.
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We have not come across any such evidence in archaeological evidences which could satisfy the curiosity of those who want to know the etymology and identity of the word Jat !

It would be good to know if the sources studied by you throw some sort of light to satisfy the curiosity of the participants in the discussion on the topic.

Thanks and regards
 
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