Jat reservation in central jobs

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to me it looks that aarakshan is the only solution... for Jats.. at least now.. onwards..
 
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The point is that none of us here is qualified enoug to give final judgments as to what is the best coures of action. So, my suggestion is, we all align our ideas with the ideas of Jat Intelligencia working under Jat Mahasabha. Learned Jats and experienced leaders working through Jat Mahasabha are better equipped than any of us here to propose future course of action. And Jat Mahasabha has clearly stated its position, that is, Jats all over india should be included under OBC reservation. So, rather than each of us creating own opinion without full understanding of the issues, we should align our ideas with what our learned Jat elders in Jat Mahasabha have proposed
 
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The point is that none of us here is qualified enoug to give final judgments as to what is the best coures of action. So, my suggestion is, we all align our ideas with the ideas of Jat Intelligencia working under Jat Mahasabha. Learned Jats and experienced leaders working through Jat Mahasabha are better equipped than any of us here to propose future course of action. And Jat Mahasabha has clearly stated its position, that is, Jats all over india should be included under OBC reservation. So, rather than each of us creating own opinion without full understanding of the issues, we should align our ideas with what our learned Jat elders in Jat Mahasabha have proposed
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could have liked ur answere to the truest of my heart. but untill unless every Jat youth understands its consequences, it can not be implied. though I do not demand much from you as you seem to be a promising student but just compiling all threads on reservation issue will not be a problem, a matter of few minutes.

however, hats off to you young boy!

manne bhai ek bat samajh koni aayee ukk Jat Dilli me aur is ke charon taraf rahya karta. aur aaj tuk us ka dilli pe kabhi raj nahin hoya. aur saare brahman/muslim/christein/rajput/Sc/baniye rulers minority me the aur Jattan ke hi area me the aur hazarann saal se the aur unhen dande mar ke rule kar rahe the aur unhin ki majority unhin ki dharti pe Jat nne dande thok rahe the aur aaj tuck dande thokk rhye ssen.

manne nue koni samajh aawe ukk Jat kya sharir se paidal tha?

some inherent weakneses were there in Jats for thousands of years and they continue till today.

by the way I'm not a member of any political group or community but whosoever is in favour of aarakshan is true Jat all others are misguiding Jats due to the reasons best known for them!!
 
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The ability to evolve consensus on an issue is a very important ability of a community. May be...we lack it.


So, i am posting my thread again here, as it proposes a way forward towards building consesus on this issue of reservations.


The point is that none of us here is qualified enoug to give final judgments as to what is the best coures of action.
So, my suggestion is, we all align our ideas with the ideas of Jat Intelligencia working under Jat Mahasabha. Learned Jats and experienced leaders working through Jat Mahasabha are better equipped than any of us here to propose future course of action. And Jat Mahasabha has clearly stated its position, that is, Jats all over india should be included under OBC reservation and given reservation in Central Government Jobs. So, rather than each of us creating own opinion without full understanding of the issues, we should align our ideas with what our learned Jat elders in Jat Mahasabha have proposed.

Evolving consensus on the issues of importance.


This method of aligning our ideas with the ideas of learned and experienced Jats working under Jat Mahasabha should become our "mantra" of reaching at a consensus whenever there is a controversial issue. In every community, it is the learned who drive the community towards consensus. In our case, lots of retired beaurocrats, professors and others are working under the aegis of Jat Mahasabha. So, whenever there is an issue of importance, rather than giving our opinions instantly without complete understanding, we should listen to them...our learned elders working under Jat Mahasabha...and try to evolve a consensus.

I invite opinion from all on this.
 
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Agar ek baar yeh reservation ki lathi pakad li toh, Toh hamesha kay liye kisi na kisi kay mohtaj ho jayengay.

This is not a good mindset to be in.

Its best to achieve on your own merit.

There are worst communities than us...this has all become a game, and the real issue has been lost.

For god's sake dont divide this country further than what it has been already divided.
 
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uhh this country will divide only if jats get a reservation nothing is happening as other communities are under reservation like gujjars , yadavs and even baniya in bihar..

bhai sahab agar hum self sufficient hain toh yeh nahee samjhana chahiye ki gaon main saare jat bhi self sufficient hain..

i am in favour of reservation to jats both at state and central govt jobs.

see the change in status of jats in rajasthan after getting reservation..

apne rajasthan ke bhai jyaada acha bata payenge..



deepakchoudhry said:
Agar ek baar yeh reservation ki lathi pakad li toh, Toh hamesha kay liye kisi na kisi kay mohtaj ho jayengay.

This is not a good mindset to be in.

Its best to achieve on your own merit.

There are worst communities than us...this has all become a game, and the real issue has been lost.

For god's sake dont divide this country further than what it has been already divided.
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deepakchoudhry said:
Agar ek baar yeh reservation ki lathi pakad li toh, Toh hamesha kay liye kisi na kisi kay mohtaj ho jayengay.

This is not a good mindset to be in.

Its best to achieve on your own merit.

There are worst communities than us...this has all become a game, and the real issue has been lost.

For god's sake dont divide this country further than what it has been already divided.
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You just did not read what i wrote.

I ask a question and please answer it.....

Who is better equipped to decide on this issue, You or say, me or the Jat intelleigencia working under the aegis of Jat Mahasabha.....answer this question...it important.

Did you ever had a discussion on this important issue with Jat academia or beaurocrats or professors or others working with Jat Mahasabha. If yes, what was their opinion.
 
v jats dont need reservation... v all know it... v r much above tht line.. everybody .. evn if tht person ve 1 acre of land or he is a sazi 2 smbody in village.. sharam karo.. purane loga ke.. thr r so many people in india who r 1/150% poorer thn our people in village..
jo bhe aaj yade likhe se jatland pe.. unke budhee to kite sahukar nahi the.. n thr r people who dont get 1 single bread at nite...
to kam te kam jo net use kare se arr kuch rupee kharab kare se... wo to reservation ke baat na karo...
 
rakeshmalik said:
v jats dont need reservation... v all know it... v r much above tht line.. everybody .. evn if tht person ve 1 acre of land or he is a sazi 2 smbody in village.. sharam karo.. purane loga ke.. thr r so many people in india who r 1/150% poorer thn our people in village..
jo bhe aaj yade likhe se jatland pe.. unke budhee to kite sahukar nahi the.. n thr r people who dont get 1 single bread at nite...
to kam te kam jo net use kare se arr kuch rupee kharab kare se... wo to reservation ke baat na karo...
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Majority of Jats are already under the OBC purview. It was Jat Mahasabha which faught for reservations for Jats.

And you think your understanding of issues is better than the learned and experienced people involved with Jat Mahasabha. How can you so confidently declare " v jats dont need reservation". Did you ever discuss this issue with any experienced Jat leader or social worker???
 
gauravchaudhary said:
The ability to evolve consensus on an issue is a very important ability of a community. May be...we lack it.


So, i am posting my thread again here, as it proposes a way forward towards building consesus on this issue of reservations.


The point is that none of us here is qualified enoug to give final judgments as to what is the best coures of action.
So, my suggestion is, we all align our ideas with the ideas of Jat Intelligencia working under Jat Mahasabha. Learned Jats and experienced leaders working through Jat Mahasabha are better equipped than any of us here to propose future course of action. And Jat Mahasabha has clearly stated its position, that is, Jats all over india should be included under OBC reservation and given reservation in Central Government Jobs. So, rather than each of us creating own opinion without full understanding of the issues, we should align our ideas with what our learned Jat elders in Jat Mahasabha have proposed.

Evolving consensus on the issues of importance.


This method of aligning our ideas with the ideas of learned and experienced Jats working under Jat Mahasabha should become our "mantra" of reaching at a consensus whenever there is a controversial issue. In every community, it is the learned who drive the community towards consensus. In our case, lots of retired beaurocrats, professors and others are working under the aegis of Jat Mahasabha. So, whenever there is an issue of importance, rather than giving our opinions instantly without complete understanding, we should listen to them...our learned elders working under Jat Mahasabha...and try to evolve a consensus.

I invite opinion from all on this.
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JAT MAHASABHA...:eek::rolleyes::D...Yu ke bala hai...lolz

Dear Bro... I m sorry but Is this JAT MAHASABHA, the actual representative of JATS. We know very well about it, but Do all the JATS know about it or even heard about any eminent personality of JAT MAHASABHA? I fear, No.

The Jats are divided on the lines of regionalism and JAT MAHASABHA has lost its significance and until and unless JAT MAHASABHA reach to most of the parts of JAT villages, how can people unite under the LEARNED PEOPLES working under JAT MAHASABHA...?:) JAT MAHASABHA is not very well organised too...!

I m sorry If I have offended you :)

And Coming to the issue of reservation...Reservation should only be on the economic basis if we really want social equality in among us...!
 
rakeshmalik said:
v jats dont need reservation... v all know it... v r much above tht line.. everybody .. evn if tht person ve 1 acre of land or he is a sazi 2 smbody in village.. sharam karo.. purane loga ke.. thr r so many people in india who r 1/150% poorer thn our people in village..
jo bhe aaj yade likhe se jatland pe.. unke budhee to kite sahukar nahi the.. n thr r people who dont get 1 single bread at nite...
to kam te kam jo net use kare se arr kuch rupee kharab kare se... wo to reservation ke baat na karo...
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U r right to some extent bro, but If the JATS are demanding for reservation...We have to be with them at least for the sake of UNITY as this UNITY is lacking everywhere in JATS.

And Bro there are a lots of Jats too...whose financial condition is very grim. So at least we have to look for them also (if we really have resources).
 
To all of you here in this discussion

People here are talking for the reservation...But no body wants to talk about JAT UNITY...(Dev Dahiya's post Ekta Ke Sutra Bataiye, has seen only limited responses so far)

If We demand reservation(of any sort), it cant be without Unity...:)
 
bhai vaire

tu manne ek baat te bata de jo apni hi zamin me dusre ka ghulam ho jya sse. chal bhai rajasthan ka tte talwar le ke chal diya rajput. udde nne thodi kumm majority me honge ye Jat. us tte jyada pher bhai aa harayana/punjab:) ka baniya tte kabhi talwar koni lle chalya. pher is baniya ke ghulam ee Jat ho gaya, tte bhai kassoor jataan ka ssen ukk dusre ka ssen?

ibbe aa brahmanabad ki story tte tunne batai koni:confused::eek::D;):p:mad::o:(:) aa sindh aali.
 
psgahlaut said:
bhai vaire

tu manne ek baat te bata de jo apni hi zamin me dusre ka ghulam ho jya sse. chal bhai rajasthan ka tte talwar le ke chal diya rajput. udde nne thodi kumm majority me honge ye Jat. us tte jyada pher bhai aa harayana/punjab:) ka baniya tte kabhi talwar koni lle chalya. pher is baniya ke ghulam ee Jat ho gaya, tte bhai kassoor jataan ka ssen ukk dusre ka ssen?

ibbe aa brahmanabad ki story tte tunne batai koni:confused::eek::D;):paa sindh aali.
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Bhai who says that Jats in Rajasthan are not a majority? :D Jats are in majority in Rajasthan and Rajasthan has most no of Jat population.

Only the reservation will lead to the divide in the society...Reservation shd be given only to the needed People...!

But at the same time I would say that If Jats are going for the reservation, we must support them for the sake of Unity.
 
Our society was already divided since ancient times and a few so called forward castes manipulated all easy social, political, administrative and government jobs in their favour. Now more than 90% people are in reserveve category. 22.5% SC/ST and 70% OBC. This whole majority is united in the name of reservation. That means as if whole India is united in the name of reservation. A nation is a majority of its people bounded by certain geographical unit who feel that they are a nation. Reservation is not dividing but uniting India/society. Ek desh ke 90% log kabhi moorkh nahin hua karte. Aur bache khuche 5-7% me hi khali dimaag hota hai, ye bhi kabhi nahin hua karta.

There are various other discussions on this topic on Jatland. Please read and if possible paste them here. Starting everything from absolute zero will be simply a time pass. There is no harm though in time pass also but reservation is a serious issue for Jats. Even more serious than history.

By history we learn only but our thought and action at present decides our future and existence.

Itihas gawah hai ki bahut jyada purani ki to main kahta nahin lekin kum se kum ek dedh hazar saal sse aa mhara mahatma Jat apni hi majority me minority ki tarhyan rah rhaya sse.

Jub zamana tha Tilak, Taraju aur Talwar ka jab un ki khilafat karta raha. Sindh me is nne brahman (Tilak) ne exploit kiya, Rajasthan me is nne Rajput (Talwar) nne exploit kiya aur jahan ye ghanne phanne khann banne phirte hain yani ki Haryana/Punjab vahan aa nne aur bhi koi na tte ekk baniyan hi exploit kar gaya!!!!!

Me badde din tte sochun tha ukk Brahman badda tez bhai, aur Rajput bhi Raj karan me badda tez, aur baniyan bhi tolan bada tez tte bhir bhai is me Jat ka kke kasur. But to my astonishment I later discovered these three had no merits It was this Jat only who had a serious dis-merit. Inhen koi ghulam banane me tez nahin tha, ye khud-b-khud ghulam hone me tez the aur aaj bhi hain.

Jattan nne sahi vakt ppe kabhi koi sahi kaam nahin kiya. Aa nne hamesha aappojisan mme rahnn ki aadatt sse. sanghars karenge bhai. aa mhara tau sanghars karta mar liya. uski samadhi ka naam hi sanghars ghat sse. udde nne aa tughlak road ppe ekk virajman tha, aa bhi sanghars karta jya liya.

aaj taayeenn in do no rodan ka naam Tughlak road se badl kar Ch. Charan Singh Road ho sakta tha. Lodhi Road se badal kar Ch. Devi Lal Sihag Road ho sakta tha.

anyway coming back to the original topic:

1. Idea/clarity/consequences of reservation should be rooted in every Jats blood.

2. In Jattan nne opposition me rahan ki aadatt tte kadd lyo bhai. Jib tain 3T ka raj thya aa un te bhide eebb jib in ka raj chala gaya sse aur in ke opposite ka rajj sse tte bhai ee ub un tte bhidann laag ryhe ssen.
 
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I have been told that Jats in UP....who have the benefit of OBC reservations are not eligible for OBC reservations in Central Government Jobs and can claim reservation only in UP State Government Jobs. Is it true?????
 
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I have been told that Jats in UP....who have the benefit of OBC reservations are not eligible for OBC reservations in Central Government Jobs and can claim reservation only in UP State Government Jobs. Is it true?????
 
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