Thanks you Brother, At least you understamnd my feelings and what I was trying to convey our people.
Jat unity-Are we really united ??
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जाट एकता ऐसी जगह दिखाता हैं जहा दूसरी जात वाले पीठ दिखाते हैं | किसे दुसरे गैल रोल्ला कर लो सारे एक हो जांगे लठ खान न चाहे कितने जूत बाज रहे हो आपस में, अररर कोई ब्याह ठिशा मांड ल्यो पक्का रुसेंगे ....लड्डू कोणी खाँ लठ खाँ लेंगे , कसुती भोली बावली कौम स जदे इसकी शान स.... शिवजी के ज्यू जहर पी लेंगे अमृत कोणी पीवें 
जाट को भोले की औलाद बताया जाता हैं , जाटों की ऐसी भोली हरक़तें देख कर लगता भी हैं की यह वाक्य में भोले की औलाद हैं |
इन भाप्या में लठ बाज जाओ सारे लुक जांगे कोई कोणी आवे अर्र इनके कोई ब्याह ख़ुशी हो सारे इसी एकता दिखावेंगे जणू तो इन्ते बढ़ा एका किसका नहीं स ...
जाट को भोले की औलाद बताया जाता हैं , जाटों की ऐसी भोली हरक़तें देख कर लगता भी हैं की यह वाक्य में भोले की औलाद हैं |
इन भाप्या में लठ बाज जाओ सारे लुक जांगे कोई कोणी आवे अर्र इनके कोई ब्याह ख़ुशी हो सारे इसी एकता दिखावेंगे जणू तो इन्ते बढ़ा एका किसका नहीं स ...
samarkadian
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Bhai Pawariye,
Don't mix things. If you like to live in some illusion then its better that I leave you in your fancy mental comfort zones. Unity as a phenomenon occurs when there is a danger of survival for the species and is true in almost all the cases. Jat as a race has certain peculiar characteristics in which being independent is one among others. Raka ji has explained essence of it previously and recently in this thread.
Dear, Is it wise to waite till the time our existance is threatened or we organise and get united before such situation comes. The reasons are many of our disunity or can be any but it is clear that we are not united and there is requirement of the unity among jats. And it is batter to get united as early as possible. Threrfore first requirement is to understand and agree that we donot have unity, second important facter/step is to recognise the rquirement of the unity and its usefulness, than method, trial, execution etc come.
samarkadian
Active member
Respected Col. Fatah Sahab,
I don't think and believe as you ve put it. To me your argument is pointless. But good luck,go ahead and prove that you can unite jats because you believe in it.
Ok Samar Bhai Now I will ask you in your tone. Is our cast not in Danger??? The people who never worked for country and for human being are ruling us. We are migrating from such a beautifull country to somewhere else in the serach of food and security.Our seniors gave too much contribution to our country and we are treating as a second citizen. Those people never worked in Independence agitation are sitting at powerful post. till when we will live in CAVE and think that we are Loin.Right now time has come to united to kill those cockroches.
I am agree with Col Saheb also and who told you that it is impossible to make us united. If you know about our respected Mr. Chotu ram & Mr. Charan Singh, they were the people who did it & proved it.
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I will not call it "Danger", however, Jats should really be alarmed by the way things are going on from past decade. Our biggest assets (land) are getting destroyed (are getting looted through a systematic manner involving builders, advocates, using judiciary and government machinery as tools) and we "the farmers" are left with nothing as we do not have the habit or liking of cultivating manipulative skills required for business or today's professional growth.
Remember, the same thing happened to Rajputs and now its "Jats" turn. Some communities have always enjoyed upon our produce and they are continuing that. Albeit in a different manner, it's still has the same characteristics of deceptive technique of exploitation.
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The Group of Eight is a forum for the government of eight of worlds' largest economies.This powerful group includes-FRANCE,GERMANY,UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,RUSSIA,UNITED KINGDOM,CANADA ITALY AND JAPAN-they unitedly discuss issues such as terrorism,environment, foreign affairs and trade etc.,and their resolutions make effect on policies of whole world including India- directly or indirectly.SO KADIAN CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US ARE THESE COUNTRIES ARE IN ' DANGER OF SURVIVAL'
No,Mr.Kadian these all countries very powerful and prosperous,but they still unite and discuss the issues for further betterment of themselves and world.
There is very vast and urgent need for improvement in all of us JATS- be it EDUCATION(THE MOST IMPORTANT),sports and lot of other things.
HAMARE JATON M EK AADAT H K YE THODEA NE GHANA MAAN KE FUL KE KUPPA HO JA SE-KYONKE EK BOTAL(KAM PIVANYE PAUVE TE KAM CHALA LIYO) JITANA NASHA TU JAT K BINA PIYA A RAHEYA KARE-ABHI HAMEA(MOST OF US) NEED GREAT IMPROVEMENT IN EVERY FIELD AND FOR THAT UNITY IS ONE OF REQUIRED DEMAND.
dahiyavijay7
New member
Yes, unity among Jats is very much needed. Some of the people are denying the need of a union. In this regard, I have to say that unity do not necessarily mean forming a group. Unity only means we need to help each others to the extent possible.
drrajpalsingh
New member
Kharb Sahib,
What sort of unity do you want and how can it be achieved, kindly spell out. I think there is no disunity among the Jats, only difference of opinion exists which is a sure sign of a vibrant community.
Regards
Jaat is unite or not
Hi Dear All- Greetings!!!!
I would like to flash some facts which shows that we are not unite or a barrier in making us unite:
Identity: from us most of the persons use singh/chaudhary/verma- totally confusion wether its Jat or ..... example. in western UP Tyagi is a title & community, would u beleive how they are bonded to eachother with this title... i have attend a community programme of tyagi society after that i realize the power of title.
Today it is really difficult to someone to identify that other person is jaat or not...
Practically jaat definitely supports to their community but someone should be aware about it on right time.
My real life example: once i was in interviewed, i m not using my title on my profile the person who was interviewing me was with the title of chandra...my interview was over after passing the first round interview i was in HR interview that time Mr. Chandra was also part of that...HR throw a qns to me about my family & place..as i told my place name then Mr. Chandra pick something & after completing my interview round HR asked me to wait ....after few minutes Mr. Chandra called me again & asked that u r Jaat i replied yes..you people will not beleive what favour he extend me ....that was the real event of my life that make me proud about my comunity. Extract of my Example: we cant recognize each other within comminity at first look...
What make me that we are not unite: politics is the only field where i personally feel that we forget everything to win the race which no one can win this is the only reason we are not unite nationally.
anyway i just thought to share my views...i am extreamlly sorry if i hurt someone by my above lines..
Above lines is only for Jaats Community if someone is from other community is reading above lines please ignore & EXCUSE ME.
I have deep sympathy to every Jaat & i am committed to support everyone with my best.
Thankyou
Aapka Apna
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Hi Dear All- Greetings!!!!
I would like to flash some facts which shows that we are not unite or a barrier in making us unite:
Identity: from us most of the persons use singh/chaudhary/verma- totally confusion wether its Jat or ..... example. in western UP Tyagi is a title & community, would u beleive how they are bonded to eachother with this title... i have attend a community programme of tyagi society after that i realize the power of title.
Today it is really difficult to someone to identify that other person is jaat or not...
Practically jaat definitely supports to their community but someone should be aware about it on right time.
My real life example: once i was in interviewed, i m not using my title on my profile the person who was interviewing me was with the title of chandra...my interview was over after passing the first round interview i was in HR interview that time Mr. Chandra was also part of that...HR throw a qns to me about my family & place..as i told my place name then Mr. Chandra pick something & after completing my interview round HR asked me to wait ....after few minutes Mr. Chandra called me again & asked that u r Jaat i replied yes..you people will not beleive what favour he extend me ....that was the real event of my life that make me proud about my comunity. Extract of my Example: we cant recognize each other within comminity at first look...
What make me that we are not unite: politics is the only field where i personally feel that we forget everything to win the race which no one can win this is the only reason we are not unite nationally.
anyway i just thought to share my views...i am extreamlly sorry if i hurt someone by my above lines..
Above lines is only for Jaats Community if someone is from other community is reading above lines please ignore & EXCUSE ME.
I have deep sympathy to every Jaat & i am committed to support everyone with my best.
Thankyou
Aapka Apna
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Dr sahab, my unity cannot be different type, unity means unity. yes method or ways/view etc can be different, I WANT A practical, workable, functional, the real unity, unity of hearts where community people love each other, like each other, help each other and sacrifice self interest in the interest of the community.But on ground the reality is different and i feel we are not united at all., my impression/assessment can be wrong, we people do talk lot on jat unity but on ground our output is zero. What to talk of community, we are not united at family level also. Friend unity is the requirement of everyone, each member has to work , has to understand and contribute and each will be benifited, YES THERE ARE CERTAIN FACTORS AVAILABLE WHICH CAN BE TRIED, but it is not necessary that the same will work on our community or not, I think, Dr sahab, you know that this is a very big subject and cannot be perscribed like a capsul here.. May I request you to give the meaning of vibrant community and how it is applicable on our community
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dear friend, no problem, be happy, your happiness is more important to me than agreement to my views, regards
drrajpalsingh
New member
Dear Kharb Sahib,
It is nice of you to describe in detail the Unity concept. It would be good if you kindly enlighten us about: "THERE ARE CERTAIN FACTORS AVAILABLE WHICH CAN BE TRIED" so that those can further be discussed.
Jat community has certain characteristics of its own, some of them can be represented by one word "VIBRANT" the dictionary lists its variants as lively, pulsating, energetic, exciting, alive, vivacious and effervescent.
Perhaps, you would agree that our community is not a 'dead' community but represents many of the qualities covered by the word 'VIBRANT'.
Thanks and regards
drkarminder
New member
..few things that our community need to change - attitude towards profession and education.
PROFESSION:
there are few professions that are still Untouched by our community.among one is business. i hv seen very less jat ppl doing good business. farming,army,police,teaching are still among the favourite professions of jat community. these are the professions that are hurdles to our progress..from generations we are stuck in these professsions nd finally giving nothing new to our next gen. overall improvement is zero. dada served in army as,dad served in army nd now son is also trying to get in army..net gain for three generation is zero..no improvement..
now also i hv seen young guys preparing hard for army and police because they are scared to try other profession y because we taught nothing new to them.
every third jat person they see is also trying the same. now we hv restricted ourself to these professions and are feeling comfortable..but let me tell u this comfort is of short time. in coming time we will be out of race. let me ask u,hw many times u hv seen gupta,garg,jain preparing to enter army or police.. if any,u will not find below I.P.S..
EDUCATION:
definite improvement i hv seen but still weak in rural areas. leaving study after 12th or graduation.marrying early and then again to fields that father did. again everybody want their son to become engineer or doctor. i hv seen many students wasting three to four years preparing for medical and engineering exams in coaching centers,pressure from parents side,disappointment, finally home. u hv to ask ur child want he/she wants,let them make their own choice nd never hesitate to go for career counselling.
NON DIPLOMATIC ATTITUDE(STRAIGHT FORWARDNESS):
history is telling that all the great jats were excellent diplomats - MAHARAJA SURAJMAL is one example..with his diplomatic skills he survived well in tough times nd came out as a great jat ruler. o.k forget about past,in present nd coming time we should change our attitude. we hv to acquire good skills of diplomacy. i never hesitate to show diplomacy in decision making times(many of my fellow jat frnds call me MUTANT JAT,but they all are proud of my skills because ultimately it benefit us all,but i tell them that i m not mutant jat ,i m just an improved breed of jat..ha.ha ha)..
discussion should go on...
..i request col.fateh sahab to plz not to take my words otherwise(about army)..i just want to see an ORS son to become army officer..then again his son at an higher post.. improvement in each generation..
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drrajpalsingh
New member
Dr. Sahib, Are these things and "THERE ARE CERTAIN FACTORS AVAILABLE WHICH CAN BE TRIED" same thing to achieve the Jat Unity.
I think you are suggesting options open to Jats. Am I right or wrong?
Thanks.
drkarminder
New member
..very right..m suggesting few improvements that we can make...its not related to unity...
ajitberwal
New member
i think Sangwan Sahab u r right, we r divided in many ways but question is that Who divided us.................and answer is We. because everyone thinking only for himself or his family. that does not matter wt happening in their society. I give u one example, If anyone applied for a governmental job and he got it that does not matter how he got it (fare way or any other way), then fine. But if does not get job then he blame selection committee, selection procedure,politicians etc.
Berwal Sahab bhai mujhe saheb na keho,m tu ek chota mota vichark hon maine ek dil ke baat yanha ek thread k roop m likh de aur app sab log usme apne mahan vichar likh rahe h aur m dekh raha hon overall bade ache vichar yaha aa rahe jo ek unity ke nishani h.Aur bhai Ravideswal jo apna dokh bayan kar raha h,usme m sachai h,royaga vahi jise dokh hoga aur hum sab jante hain govt. recruitment system m sudhar k badi avaskyta h.Govt. tu change hoti rehti hain par system hamesha rehate h-ab delhi metro system ko lo,without ticket jane ka system hi khatam kar diya h vo bhe bina ticket chekaro ke foj k.
Dear Karminder I appreciate your suggestions toward our community growth but their is vicious cirle of economy if you are in power,you can do better for your cast development, than cast will also do better and in return we will become more powerful. If we are not in power our people will not get good resources and will not develop and have only option to do what powerful people wants to do by us. Now a days it is happening. People those are in power slowly slowly trying to make us weaker & weaker.
For fighting competetion, your points are valid but now a days every thing requires money whether it coaching of any competetion or any addmission. We might be some of the luckiest person so that we got it because of our father mother But people in our country cann't achieve this very easily. Second farming was very good proffession and can be done like bussiness to but for that we required government support. Bania who is not having any product of his own become rich by trading farmer's products only.
That's all is happening becuase we all are not united at root level. Let's eg. If farmer stop delivering those goods at Mandi people will come to him to procure it.
I am not aware whether you faced it or not but I faced so many time that we people are not united at our family level too.We are splitted like eastern UP-Western UP,Haryanvi,Rajashthani or so on.
If you want to see example & benifit of unity see Meena community, They belongs to Rajasthan and their visionary united leaders put them in ST catagory and Now you will find them at all high level positions. So Unity is first foremost thing & by this only we can achive power. Once power is with us we can do some development program for our region.
I want to say one example of My maternal Uncle, after his retirement from Airforce, he wants to start college at his village because their village is at very remote place and their is no Degree college nearby.Due to this effect so many students specially girls dropout after 12th.MLa is also JAT from that Areas.He was wing Cmdr and not having Big money but due to intimacy with our people he wants to do this.
Now see what happened to his noble cause, after 3-4 years of completion of building, he is unable to get recognition and corrupt people are demanding money for affiliation for such a noble cause.Here we required administrative power so that this institute will open and that region our people will developed.But till date nobody come forward to support him.
So unity is very much required otherwise other cast people will see us only at the level of lower post.We have so many people in ARMY but no one got chance to become head of army. This is not because of their qualification or other factor but it is because of our government,which is governing those post and they do not want us to be leader.
Now Unity is very much required at this stage to win and existence of our cast.
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