Jats Against Reservations

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Hi Everyone,

I have been reading reports about Jat Mahasabha demanding reservations for Jats. Though I am new to the forums, I am sure the issue must have been discussed here earlier. As with every issue, I am sure people would have varying views. I strongly believe that reservations would do more harm than good for India in general and Jats in particular. Want to see how many like minded Jats are there and if there is something we can do to exercise influence.

Kapil
 
Sir,

I went through your post and fully endorse your views. And I can see atleast 2 more Jats who are against reservations. I am sure there would be more. Is there any way we can impress this upon Mahasabha?

Kapil

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There are multiple threads on this subject, some of them are quite recent.

There is one posted by me earlier :

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Sir,

I went through your post and fully endorse your views. And I can see atleast 2 more Jats who are against reservations. I am sure there would be more. Is there any way we can impress this upon Mahasabha?

Kapil
bhai mahasabha aalya ne to chhod , inn loksabha aalya ne a impress karke dekha dyo man jaunga. 90-91 me a ganni koshish kari thhi hoya kimme fayedha , pher kyu khamkha ka gyaan de ke time pass karo so. issi baat tha ke lyawenge jiska koi sir pair a na ho.
 
Tau, aap photo se senior member lag rahe ho, isliye ulta nahin boloonga. Par jo khamkha ki baat sai, wo sai aapki tippanni. Na to nyun bera paata ki aap favor main so ki against. Agar aapko time paas laage sai, to kyun apnna bakht kharaab karo so. Manne laage sai yeh bahut zaroori baat, isliye ki sai aur karta rahoonga...

bhai mahasabha aalya ne to chhod , inn loksabha aalya ne a impress karke dekha dyo man jaunga. 90-91 me a ganni koshish kari thhi hoya kimme fayedha , pher kyu khamkha ka gyaan de ke time pass karo so. issi baat tha ke lyawenge jiska koi sir pair a na ho.
 
Tau, aap photo se senior member lag rahe ho, isliye ulta nahin boloonga. Par jo khamkha ki baat sai, wo sai aapki tippanni. Na to nyun bera paata ki aap favor main so ki against. Agar aapko time paas laage sai, to kyun apnna bakht kharaab karo so. Manne laage sai yeh bahut zaroori baat, isliye ki sai aur karta rahoonga...
yahe m kahu su baat kare ta ke ho s kimme kar ke dikha
 
I dream..

if i could put a stamp of SC/ST overnight (ohh...a derogatory remark...sorry, ummm...ki "ALREADY TAKEN BENIFIT OF RESERVATION, NO FURHTER BENIFITS TO BE ALLOWED TO HIS/HER SON/DAUGHTER) on all the ppls marksheets who have already taken the benifits of reservations.....

and these markets need to be shown to schools/colleges by their childs.

I appriciate the move of HUDA (haryana urban development authority) in similar thinkings that of mine. They don't allocate (sivai ghooskhori/corruption) plots to those who've already got it once, thru some quota.
And come in General Queue next time...:thappad

Only then all the problems associated with the evils of reservations can be adressed.

If such thing can be implimented, i'm in favour of reservations on social basis.
Else a big NO....:boxing:boxing

Let the real needy ppls take it's benifits.

I felt deeply hurt to met one such community, "garhia Lohar", who have taken shelther on roadsides, and they have nothing to prove them even "Indians", no ration card, no voter's card.....nothing....
Though on papers they might have been given ST status...

But the benifts are cashed by sons/daughters of SC/ST IAS/IPS officers....

Mere enginnering ke dino me, i was shocked/deeply hurt to see such crap ppls getting their "income certificates" made of 50K annually, and cash on 60,000 Rs as scolarships (that too per year, well above even after taking care of all the fees & expenses involved) granted to each SC/ST/OBC studin' there...and buying Karizma's n pulsars..

I have conveyed my views many a times on the same topic earlier ("bad effects of reservation for jat community")

Our Jat community is no dearth of talent. Don't we all see jat's in priemer acedemic institutions like IIM's, IIT's etc....(i met many's, if you didn't happen to meet any single one of them, pls come out illusion)

our community will tend to become more lethargic if such crap thing is extended to them.

wo aur jyada nikkame ho jayenge nahi to, ki sala admission to ho e jyaga, kyun aankh fudvani...

The need of houris to come up with more trusts in lines of "Maharaja Surajmal Trust", that gives scolarships to poor but talented students...

During my engg days, i have seen equally good number of talented Jat students n equally "nikkamma" ppls (who were talented otherwise, but got diverted in wrong direction, but as we all know, we are the most prone ppls to be nikkammas)

Sorry if i hurt anybody's sentiments...

Regards
Satinder Goyat
 
The idea of reservations was not bad in itself but somewhere down the line it has turned out to be more harmful than useful. Initially it was meant to provide the downtroddens a crutch to uplift them. But then over the years, the politics of votes has turned the very idea on its head. Today reservations seem to have bred resentment and inequality in society.

Reservations need to get a fresh look on it and a new policy on how to implement them. Many people who do not need these reservations get its benefit and thus in the process the very purpose of reservations gets defeated. Those needy and poor people for whom it is meant do not even get to know about it. The creamy layers should be excluded. Those who have benefitted from it and thus have got out of that downtrodden condition should be excluded from its ambit.

Instead of these reservations which are full of loopholes and discriminations and are having a crippling effect rather than an enabling one, the government should provide free of cost facilities for coaching and provisions of study materials to those who are socially and economically backward. This way on the one hand those people will get the much needed help and on another there will not be any discriminations against anyone. The result will be that candidates will be on equal footing and selections will be done on the basis of merit rather than on the basis of caste.
 
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Winners never quit & Quitter never wins...

The idea of reservations was not bad in itself but somewhere down the line it has turned out to be more harmful than useful. Initially it was meant to provide the downtroddens a crutch to uplift them. But then over the years, the politics of votes has turned the very idea on its head. Today reservations seem to have bred resentment and inequality in society.

Reservations need to get a fresh look on it and a new policy on how to implement them. Many people who do not need these reservations get its benefit and thus in the process the very purpose of reservations gets defeated. Those needy and poor people for whom it is meant do not even get to know about it. The creamy layers should be excluded. Those who have benefitted from it and thus have got out of that downtrodden condition should be excluded from its ambit.

Instead of these reservations which are full of loopholes and discriminations and are having a crippling effect rather than an enabling one, the government should provide free of cost facilities for coaching and provisions of study materials to those who are socially and economically backward. This way on the one hand those people will get the much needed help and on another there will not be any discriminations against anyone. The result will be that candidates will be on equal footing and selections will be done on the basis of merit rather than on the basis of caste.

Well concluded poonam..:)

I appriciate one Institute..."Institute of Rural Management" Anand, where the difference of cut-offs between General and SC/ST was just 10 %.

If i'm not wrong, the same has been implemented for OBC'S especially, for all institutions, that in no case the difference should be more than 10%

Means even after it's implementation, a jat (seeking admission under reservation) need to be atleast 0.9 Times as intelligent as the last admitted general category student.

to bhai logo....10-15% extra mehnat hi to karni hai.....itni si baat ke liye kyun jhunjhuna/baisakhi ki baant dekh rahe ho....:p

Now, after going through various Bank sites, while searching for Education Loans for myself...

I don't support reservation even on Economic basis.

All Banks (including private one's) give Education Loans upto 4 Lac easily without any collateral deposits.
Most banks gives it upto 7.5 Lac, without collateral deposits (but with third patry guarantee n parent's co-obligation)
Some banks gives loan to 10 Lac (without any collaterals) to the meritorious students who secure admission to premier institutes like IIT'S, IIM's etc (all well known topmost one's), without any question.

For all the above mentioned cases (4L~7.5L), one only need to assure 5% margin.

And with the intervention of RBI, banks have to keep it in priority loans.
And all banks have been strictly made to accept the applications online and monitored by Zonal Branches...

Some banks sanction loans in just 2-3 days (if you happen to be in their's listed institutes of priority) and at the max of 8-10 days....

Also one may take extra life insurance cover, so that in case of any mishap, his/her parents may not suffer and this additional cost can be added in the sanctioned amount.

(OBC bank gives 20Lac of accidential insurance cover for free..)

Moreover one can get a concession of 1% in intrest rate if he's in a bit well financial postion to start EMI right after the first disbursement.

one bank also gives 0.5 % extra concession for girls/handicapped students.

The repayment starts 6 months after getting the job or 1 year after finishing the course.

And one can save on Income tax in EMI'S..later on..

One can contact me anytime for more details...i'll be more than happy to help you out.
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Hence...we concluded:

The need is to educate ppls n spread the awareness...

I've been/would-be playing my role very well....

Let's all join hands together..

Warm Regards
Satinder Goyat
 
bhai S.S baat to apki gyaan ki s, par kadhe iss JL ki thread likhan ta elawa iss mudhe par bahar koi kaam karya s. aade to bhai pahle bi kai baar baat ho li s. aur bhai jin hoshiyaar balka ki baat kare s tare berge jo degree le re unki ghinti kitni s. baniye ki naukri me unn bi reservation ki koi jarurat koni par sarkari me pade s, chaudhar bi sarkari naukri me s baniye ki me to sirf pet baran ka kaam s. jisne bhartti a sipahi hona ho usme hoshiyaari koni aarakshan a chahiye . iss aarakshan me ekla naukri a koni isme form baran ki fees ummar aur bi kai ryaat s. yaha thread likhe ta reservation bandh to ho koni, tahre kisse bi sansad ne aaj tai iske khilaaf loksabha me boola ho to batao , we bool bi koni sakte pher tahri kon sunega bhai. baat to tahri adrashwadi s par kimme kaam to koni aawe kyoki iske aawaj uthhan khatir tahre me kisse pe bi time konya . naukri jaruri s ghaar kya ne baddi mushkil ta pada likhya ke iss kabil banaya s naukri gai to aur kimme kaam koni ho , ho bi to kaam khatir itne paise koni howe.
 
I fully agree with Satinder and Poonam's viewpoint. Anyways, the point here is not about reservations- I am sure any sane Indian would oppose it. Point is that we as Jats should not demand it for ourselves. We don't need it (No one needs it for that matter). And if we get it, it would lead to a slow but steady degradation of our community.

Sangwan sahab, I am sorry to say but you are living in stone age. Ek toh aap har kisi ko poochhne lagte ho kya kiya hai, kya kiya hai. Is that some rule on Jatland that a person should have done something before he/she is allowed to communicate his/her views? The point of these forums is exchange of viewpoints. Soch main bahut taaqat hoti hai. Aur soch badalne ki taaqat kalam main talwaar se bahut zyada hoti hai. Baaki aap kya baniye aur sarkaari naukri main antar bata rahe ho. This is not 1960. This is modern India, which is changing every day. Slowly, the government would have to withdraw from running businesses (at least that's the right way) and government jobs would be few and far between. And in most cases, the private sector job would be much more rewarding (It already is. There are so many good people who can get any government job they want, but choose the private sector). To aap kis chaudhar ki baat karr rahe ho? Sarkaari mej pe baith ke kaan khujlaane main chaudhar nahin atkaav hai. Aur sipaahi banne ke liye jaaton ko aarakshan ki zaroorat hai kya? Police ya fauj main jaaton ki kami lagti hai kya aapko? Aap poochh rahe ho ki degree waale jat balkon ki ginti kitni hai? Main IIT Delhi aur IIM Bangalore se padha hua hoon aur donon jagah main akela jat nahin tha. I am not trying to suggest that we are there in huge numbers. There is definitely scope for improvement, but the right way is through education. I know lots of jats who have gone ahead through that route and surely the others can do the same. Jo aarakshan ke balboote pe andar aate hain, woh dhakke lag lag ke baahar nikalte hain. Baahar bhi aarakshan ke balboote pe hi naukri lete hain. And rightly or wrongly, they are always looked down upon. Rozi roti to bhikhari bhi kama lete hain. Par swabhimaan insaan tabhi rakh sakta hai jab woh apne balboote pe kuchh haasil karre.
 
bhai S.S baat to apki gyaan ki s, par kadhe iss JL ki thread likhan ta elawa iss mudhe par bahar koi kaam karya s. aade to bhai pahle bi kai baar baat ho li s. aur bhai jin hoshiyaar balka ki baat kare s tare berge jo degree le re unki ghinti kitni s. baniye ki naukri me unn bi reservation ki koi jarurat koni par sarkari me pade s, chaudhar bi sarkari naukri me s baniye ki me to sirf pet baran ka kaam s. jisne bhartti a sipahi hona ho usme hoshiyaari koni aarakshan a chahiye . iss aarakshan me ekla naukri a koni isme form baran ki fees ummar aur bi kai ryaat s. yaha thread likhe ta reservation bandh to ho koni, tahre kisse bi sansad ne aaj tai iske khilaaf loksabha me boola ho to batao , we bool bi koni sakte pher tahri kon sunega bhai. baat to tahri adrashwadi s par kimme kaam to koni aawe kyoki iske aawaj uthhan khatir tahre me kisse pe bi time konya . naukri jaruri s ghaar kya ne baddi mushkil ta pada likhya ke iss kabil banaya s naukri gai to aur kimme kaam koni ho , ho bi to kaam khatir itne paise koni howe.

raka bhaisaab...me apki isi baat ke aage fika pad jata hu....."ki jab araskhan band nahi karwa sakte to, to lene me kya burai hai":(

Examples have been shown above...
1. IRMA-Anand
2. difference of not more than 10% between general & OBC.
3. Allotments by HUDA, not to give second plot in reserved category, if the same has been allocated earlier.
4. Recent advertisment for AIIMS doctors (narre SC/ST khattar) stand cancelled..after protests n agitations...

sab kaam ek raat me nahi hote.....

ye arakshan itna vikral rakshash roop dharan kar chuka hai ki ise charanbaddh tarike se hi control me kiya ja sakta hai...

aur agar reservation ekdum se khatam kar diya gaya to sare SC/ST hindustaan ne fook denge, patri ukhad denge, traffic jaam laga denge, atma-dah karenge..

aur jin rajnaitik logo ki rotiyan is mudde pe sik rahi hain, wo kahan jayenge...wo is araajakta ki aag ko aur bhadkayenge...

Things will improve...sooner or later...
SSGOYAT
 
I AGREE!I FEEL BAD WHEN I SEE JAT SUPPORTING AND SEEKING RESERVATIONS.WE DONT NEED ANY RESERVATIONS BECAUSE WE CAN GET WHAT WE WANT IF WE WORK HARD FOR IT.SO I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE ARE NOT AS WEAK AS LOWER CASTES.LIKE SAMAR KADIYAN SAID "REES KARO TOH WOH APNE SE UPPAR WALO KI KARO":cool:

Hi Everyone,

I have been reading reports about Jat Mahasabha demanding reservations for Jats. Though I am new to the forums, I am sure the issue must have been discussed here earlier. As with every issue, I am sure people would have varying views. I strongly believe that reservations would do more harm than good for India in general and Jats in particular. Want to see how many like minded Jats are there and if there is something we can do to exercise influence.

Kapil
 
Bhai, tu feeka bilkul na padta is baat ke aage. Aarakshan band nahin karwa sakte to bhi lene main buraai hi buraai hai. Two wrongs don't make a right. Jinko aarakshan mila hua hai unhonain kya ukhaad liya? Kya jhande gaad diye? Aur hum le lenge to kya ukhaad lenge? Teen karod jaaton main se kuchh sau admission le lenge. Kuchh sau naukriyaan le lenge. Aur baaki 3 karod pe bahut bada dhabba lag jaayega. Aur aisa nahin hai ki abhi bina aarakshan ke to jat kahin ghus nahin pa rahe. Bahut saare apni kaabliyat se ghuste hain aur sab unki izzat karte hain. Kaunsi community hai jise aarakshan mila hua hai aur jisne samajik ya aarthik pragati ki hai? Hum kaunsa example follow karna chaahte hain?

People don't realise it, but reservation is a double edged sword. Forget the point about losing competitiveness, that is a subtle point and not that easy to prove. There are other not so subtle reasons. Reserved category students are always discriminated by general category students (Personally I think it is wrong but that's how it is). For example, in IITs the reserved category students are called Shaddas. When recruitment time comes, the recruiters themselves are mostly from general category and holding strong views against reservations. And they always have an implicit bias against those who came through the reserved route (again maybe that's wrong but that's how it is). So what do reservations achieve? You end up getting pigeon-holed as a "backward" and even if you have some ability, it is assumed that you don't have any. Your struggle for getting credit and self-respect through out your career. And for a community like ours, self-respect is one of the most important things. Why do we want to shatter it?

raka bhaisaab...me apki isi baat ke aage fika pad jata hu....."ki jab araskhan band nahi karwa sakte to, to lene me kya burai hai":(

Examples have been shown above...
1. IRMA-Anand
2. difference of not more than 10% between general & OBC.
3. Allotments by HUDA, not to give second plot in reserved category, if the same has been allocated earlier.
4. Recent advertisment for AIIMS doctors (narre SC/ST khattar) stand cancelled..after protests n agitations...

sab kaam ek raat me nahi hote.....

ye arakshan itna vikral rakshash roop dharan kar chuka hai ki ise charanbaddh tarike se hi control me kiya ja sakta hai...

aur agar reservation ekdum se khatam kar diya gaya to sare SC/ST hindustaan ne fook denge, patri ukhad denge, traffic jaam laga denge, atma-dah karenge..

aur jin rajnaitik logo ki rotiyan is mudde pe sik rahi hain, wo kahan jayenge...wo is araajakta ki aag ko aur bhadkayenge...

Things will improve...sooner or later...
SSGOYAT
 
bhaiyooo yoo fer galat jikra thaa diya .........bhai manee ek baat bataoo reservation main dikaat ke s.............pehle hi hum 3 state main reserved ho chuke s ............ar ye baaat aap sabhi budhijivi log hi kyun ise oppose kar rahe hai ...............ar vaise te jataaan ke naam ke sabte pehlam jhande thaaa loo sooo ar fer kise ek k bhi kam nahi aanaa kam te jab aaao jab kade gam main bad ke dekhya hooo.............gaom aaj 60% balak bina naukri ke hande s ,.....kite farm bareee s .....waiting main num aave s te reservation ale aaja s ude .. te bhai or koi si caste is reservation ne l s te hum kyun na le le ..ar rahi baat ......ki mahri bejtii ho ja ki te bhai ya te hoo li 2/3 state main pehlam ..unte puchooo unne kitaaak bhunda bole s ude


tham ne na chahiyeee jisne chahiye uskhtr te dekh looo

risss bhi jabhi karni chahiyee jab kite koi jugad hoo khaliii pade pade risss ka bhi kime na hota .................




jai shri ram
 
Yeh koi faaltu ki baat nai hai....aur iss baat kai sir bhi hai arr pair bhi aapnai nahi dikhte toh issmai mahari koi galti nai hai:d jibb tak ya baat saaf nai hogi akk kitne log nai chahte ki reservation ho aap isko be sir pair wali baat nai bol sakte.


bhai mahasabha aalya ne to chhod , inn loksabha aalya ne a impress karke dekha dyo man jaunga. 90-91 me a ganni koshish kari thhi hoya kimme fayedha , pher kyu khamkha ka gyaan de ke time pass karo so. Issi baat tha ke lyawenge jiska koi sir pair a na ho.
 
Acha reservation mai kuch galat nai.chudhe chamaara ki dhal laag lyo reservation ki line mai.naukari chahiye toh padho na ki reservation khattar muh baaye lakhao reservation khattar.reservation apni dignity arr selfrespct tai baddi naa sai


bhaiyooo yoo fer galat jikra thaa diya .........bhai manee ek baat bataoo reservation main dikaat ke s.............pehle hi hum 3 state main reserved ho chuke s ............ar ye baaat aap sabhi budhijivi log hi kyun ise oppose kar rahe hai ...............ar vaise te jataaan ke naam ke sabte pehlam jhande thaaa loo sooo ar fer kise ek k bhi kam nahi aanaa kam te jab aaao jab kade gam main bad ke dekhya hooo.............gaom aaj 60% balak bina naukri ke hande s ,.....kite farm bareee s .....waiting main num aave s te reservation ale aaja s ude .. Te bhai or koi si caste is reservation ne l s te hum kyun na le le ..ar rahi baat ......ki mahri bejtii ho ja ki te bhai ya te hoo li 2/3 state main pehlam ..unte puchooo unne kitaaak bhunda bole s ude


tham ne na chahiyeee jisne chahiye uskhtr te dekh looo

risss bhi jabhi karni chahiyee jab kite koi jugad hoo khaliii pade pade risss ka bhi kime na hota .................




Jai shri ram
 
Acha reservation mai kuch galat nai.chudhe chamaara ki dhal laag lyo reservation ki line mai.naukari chahiye toh padho na ki reservation khattar muh baaye lakhao reservation khattar.reservation apni dignity arr selfrespct tai baddi naa sai


dignity ar selfrespect kit s jab ...gharme koi kaman ala konya jameen s konya ...loga ke ja ke dhyadiii(labour) karni .....gharna main koi kamai ka sadhan konya kise ke farmhousa pe 3 hazar mahine ki naukri karni security guard ...dignity or self respect bhi usi ki hai jiska byonth s uski dignity ke jis dhore raat ne roti khn ke rapiyee hi na hooo or gharne 4 admi uski baat dekhte hooo...........or baat rahi self respect ....self respect main admi nue rukee mare ja ki main te jat soon main kyun reservation loon .......

uski mill sitii na martiiii self respect usne reservation na len deti ..to voo ke keree bhukha maree..........eb thamne reservation chahiye konya ....ar jisne chahiye joo bhukha mare s usne tham nue keh do ki tere ander self respect nahi hai dignity nahi ..........voo nue bhookha mar ja s ..................ye baat apne upar na leke unkhtr sochoo jisne iski asli jaroorat s ...........

ar nue te kitne hi rukee mar lyooo ....jab bhukhee marengee ne jab sab dignity ar self respect dharii reh ja s ...........

ar hath ki pancho ungliya barabar nahi hotiiii...........aaap acha pahe likhe te yoo matlab na s ki agla bhi aap barga hoo ..............or eb te bhategee godde bhidate hande s dikhte bhi hongeee........

ar baaat rahi padan likhan kiii padhaii likhaiii pache badiii naukri dhariii s MLA,mantriya ke chakar ,koi rapiyee deta hande s koi kuch kare s .............fer bhi num na aaataa in padhe likha ka




te ya baat te mat kahooo
 
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