narenderkharb
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Very important point
KANISHKA STARTING SAKA ERA Which shows Kanishka was saka
KANISHKA STARTING SAKA ERA Which shows Kanishka was saka
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sktewatia
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kharab sahib
dnt u notice even budha was saka. often he is called sakya/saka muni. why kanishka, harsha, asoka were getting converted to budhism. even samudragupta (a genious versatile king of indian history) was proud of his mother. who was lichhavi i.e. from budha's clan. jats provided these 4 stable dynasties to our country. all like sakas the most just people. even vikramaditya was the most just king ever known in indian history. he was the king who braught fame to indian history as the golden period.
see the traditions of their armies; long boots and loose coat.
whether guptas were copying sakas? may be yes or no! but guptas were following their own traditions of jats.
see budha's pravachans: "hey anand jab tak ye malla (mull/mullick jats) stop infighting amongst themselves, koi in ka udhhar nahin kar sakta"
dnt u notice even budha was saka. often he is called sakya/saka muni. why kanishka, harsha, asoka were getting converted to budhism. even samudragupta (a genious versatile king of indian history) was proud of his mother. who was lichhavi i.e. from budha's clan. jats provided these 4 stable dynasties to our country. all like sakas the most just people. even vikramaditya was the most just king ever known in indian history. he was the king who braught fame to indian history as the golden period.
see the traditions of their armies; long boots and loose coat.
whether guptas were copying sakas? may be yes or no! but guptas were following their own traditions of jats.
see budha's pravachans: "hey anand jab tak ye malla (mull/mullick jats) stop infighting amongst themselves, koi in ka udhhar nahin kar sakta"
narenderkharb
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For our religion we have Akhara in almost every village where yogi(Nath or Naga) baba stays . Most of them follow BABA GORAKHNATH who lived near NEPAL.We observe similarity between these Sadhus and Bodh Bikshus. Both live the same way eat by Biksha do yoga and tantra and their emphasis is on MOKSHA NOT savarga.They hardly follow Santan dharam and karam kand.I wonder wether our Babas and Bodhs are one and the same thing or some differences might have been of minor consequences,or are we still bodhs in a practical way.Recentely some mandirs are coming in villages inside Akhara due to moderen influence.Any way our religion has been very different from practices where God is pleased by offering items via agni, brahmin or sacrifice.
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Dear Sampuran,
Are i know 3 schools of bible interpretation who doesnt accept interpretation that world is 6000-7500 years old.
Trying to convert(thats mean telling the true about the world)is not imoral.Our parents trying to convert us from our wrong acts every day-they know better LOL.Your opinion is influence by post-modernism (exist only subjectiv and relative true and the true is establish by culture)who is ilogic.
To tell you about brahmins plans to convert the world,or sati rituals? We are not here on religious debates forum.
I use only standard cronology ,not vedic,biblic quranic cronology.
Are you a brahmin misionar?
Dear Sampuran,
Are i know 3 schools of bible interpretation who doesnt accept interpretation that world is 6000-7500 years old.
Trying to convert(thats mean telling the true about the world)is not imoral.Our parents trying to convert us from our wrong acts every day-they know better LOL.Your opinion is influence by post-modernism (exist only subjectiv and relative true and the true is establish by culture)who is ilogic.
To tell you about brahmins plans to convert the world,or sati rituals? We are not here on religious debates forum.
I use only standard cronology ,not vedic,biblic quranic cronology.
Are you a brahmin misionar?
Knowing about jats from India is like visiting your brothers,knowing about jats from around the world is like visiting your cousins.
Jats around the world still have similar behaviours iven they was splited long time ago.Some habits change very hard.
Acording to Sampuram are 4 billion jats in the world today.This cant be,and can be proved.
Are only a couple of nations that have heavy genetic jats elements.In general are tall nations ,over 1,77 -1,78 tall.The talest groups in the world are iranians and subsaharian africans. However the tallness is also influence by good or stressfull life.But genetic factor seem to be dominant.
See tallness of nations on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
Jats around the world still have similar behaviours iven they was splited long time ago.Some habits change very hard.
Acording to Sampuram are 4 billion jats in the world today.This cant be,and can be proved.
Are only a couple of nations that have heavy genetic jats elements.In general are tall nations ,over 1,77 -1,78 tall.The talest groups in the world are iranians and subsaharian africans. However the tallness is also influence by good or stressfull life.But genetic factor seem to be dominant.
See tallness of nations on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height
narenderkharb
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Dear Soko
you are right we are here for jats not for religion. Jats consider religion as a way to do good deeds and be endear themselves to almighty. Basically Jats beleve that all religions are just different ways for the same cause.Hindhu religion in itself have so many ways.Best thing about this religion is not rigid,pls don't assosiate Sati etc. with this religion. We feel the same about you when u said visiting brothers.In fact I can say many doubt ur photo since you can be immidiately identified as a jat from HARYANA.
you are right we are here for jats not for religion. Jats consider religion as a way to do good deeds and be endear themselves to almighty. Basically Jats beleve that all religions are just different ways for the same cause.Hindhu religion in itself have so many ways.Best thing about this religion is not rigid,pls don't assosiate Sati etc. with this religion. We feel the same about you when u said visiting brothers.In fact I can say many doubt ur photo since you can be immidiately identified as a jat from HARYANA.
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parda
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sktewatia said:
bhai sahab.
Buddha's other name sakyamuni is not associated with sakyas or scythians but a tree which is found commonly in that area. I don't know in what way but he was not a saka.
If you look at ancient picturizations of buddha you will see mongolian features.
vikramditya of gupta dynasty? when did he become a jat?
So kaniskha started saka era and therefore he was a jat?
Kamaaal kar diya bhai logoon ne. Logic/reasoning ke aise ke taise kar dee.
Bhaad meein jayee science. Aaise ke taise hoo science ke kitaboon ke. Aag laago do unko, raddi mein beech dallo unko. Pata naheen yeh aap sabke theories padkee muzhe aisa kahanee ka zee sa aa gaaaya.
narenderkharb
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this Tewatia and pardeep looks two faces of the same coin(non jat).First bowl and then bat yourself.Tere...Khel Dekh...ke ..Zee sa aa gaaaya.
Budha
The first sculptures of Budha apear 500 years after his death. Budha was from a kshatrya cast .He wear a tuft of hair on his head ,also a custom of the samurai,the mots(in fact mots mean tuft) of Apusen mountains in Romania,the getian who wear this tuft under their pointed caps;also is a sikh turban that have the same tuft.Exist a sarmatian tribe call the budini(enlighted ones),and other scitian and sarmatian tribes,like costoboces(shining ones),dacii mari(powerfull ones) that use the description for them self as shining,great,beautiful,victorios ones.However name Budha is,like we know,give for spiritual reasons.The region were Budha was born is heavy mixed whit mongolic nepalese.
The first sculptures of Budha apear 500 years after his death. Budha was from a kshatrya cast .He wear a tuft of hair on his head ,also a custom of the samurai,the mots(in fact mots mean tuft) of Apusen mountains in Romania,the getian who wear this tuft under their pointed caps;also is a sikh turban that have the same tuft.Exist a sarmatian tribe call the budini(enlighted ones),and other scitian and sarmatian tribes,like costoboces(shining ones),dacii mari(powerfull ones) that use the description for them self as shining,great,beautiful,victorios ones.However name Budha is,like we know,give for spiritual reasons.The region were Budha was born is heavy mixed whit mongolic nepalese.
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sktewatia
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B S Dahiya on jat history
I read this book about 25 years back when I used 2 b a student at IIT delhi. It was amazingly beautiful work which the history researchers world over in general and indian in particular should have followed. A leading english newspaper of that time quoted it as "certainly the book is going to provide a hot trail to the researchers in history". Before that one Ram Saroop Joon of Noon Majra village of Rohtak also wrote the similar facts but dahiya extended his work with marvellous authentic proofs.
Later, I had an opportunity to write some history articles "Origin of Tewatia Jats" (history of tewatia clan/gotra on this jatland is originally taken from my article only) in some books where he was also writing (Jats: Their Roots").
He traces the origin of Jats some where above the caspian sea.
n mentions many jat tribes in rigveda. where jat word is more prominent than aryan. In rigveda Indra is called the "Jatau Jatan" meaning "jat of jats", jaton ka jat i.e. "king of kings"
Samuran Singh ji in your thread on hinduism posted to Soka, somewhere it is mentined that Aryan word in rigveda is mentioned 36 times. I feel that Jat word is mentioned much more than that.
Plz dont misunderstand me. Its true that India always remained a wonder for the world. Plz read the book by A L Basham "The Wonder That was India". Romila Thapar has quoted him many times. I'd been in JNU also in 1986-87. Though science student but still curious of history.
I read this book about 25 years back when I used 2 b a student at IIT delhi. It was amazingly beautiful work which the history researchers world over in general and indian in particular should have followed. A leading english newspaper of that time quoted it as "certainly the book is going to provide a hot trail to the researchers in history". Before that one Ram Saroop Joon of Noon Majra village of Rohtak also wrote the similar facts but dahiya extended his work with marvellous authentic proofs.
Later, I had an opportunity to write some history articles "Origin of Tewatia Jats" (history of tewatia clan/gotra on this jatland is originally taken from my article only) in some books where he was also writing (Jats: Their Roots").
He traces the origin of Jats some where above the caspian sea.
n mentions many jat tribes in rigveda. where jat word is more prominent than aryan. In rigveda Indra is called the "Jatau Jatan" meaning "jat of jats", jaton ka jat i.e. "king of kings"
Samuran Singh ji in your thread on hinduism posted to Soka, somewhere it is mentined that Aryan word in rigveda is mentioned 36 times. I feel that Jat word is mentioned much more than that.
Plz dont misunderstand me. Its true that India always remained a wonder for the world. Plz read the book by A L Basham "The Wonder That was India". Romila Thapar has quoted him many times. I'd been in JNU also in 1986-87. Though science student but still curious of history.
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sktewatia
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B S Dahiya on jat history
I read this book about 25 years back when I used 2 b a student at IIT delhi. It was amazingly beautiful work which the history researchers world over in general and indian in particular should have followed. A leading english newspaper of that time quoted it as "certainly the book is going to provide a hot trail to the researchers in history". Before that one Ram Saroop Joon of Noon Majra village of Rohtak also wrote the similar facts but dahiya extended his work with marvellous authentic proofs.
Later, I had an opportunity to write some history articles "Origin of Tewatia Jats" (history of tewatia clan/gotra on this jatland is originally taken from my article only) in some books where he was also writing (Jats: Their Roots").
He traces the origin of Jats some where above the caspian sea.
n mentions many jat tribes in rigveda. where jat word is more prominent than aryan. In rigveda Indra is called the "Jatau Jatan" meaning "jat of jats", jaton ka jat i.e. "king of kings"
Samuran Singh ji in your thread on hinduism posted to Soka, somewhere it is mentined that Aryan word in rigveda is mentioned 36 times. I feel that Jat word is mentioned much more than that.
Plz dont misunderstand me. Its true that India always remained a wonder for the world. Plz read the book by A L Basham "The Wonder That was India". Romila Thapar has quoted him many times. I'd been in JNU also in 1986-87. Though science student but still curious of history.
I read this book about 25 years back when I used 2 b a student at IIT delhi. It was amazingly beautiful work which the history researchers world over in general and indian in particular should have followed. A leading english newspaper of that time quoted it as "certainly the book is going to provide a hot trail to the researchers in history". Before that one Ram Saroop Joon of Noon Majra village of Rohtak also wrote the similar facts but dahiya extended his work with marvellous authentic proofs.
Later, I had an opportunity to write some history articles "Origin of Tewatia Jats" (history of tewatia clan/gotra on this jatland is originally taken from my article only) in some books where he was also writing (Jats: Their Roots").
He traces the origin of Jats some where above the caspian sea.
n mentions many jat tribes in rigveda. where jat word is more prominent than aryan. In rigveda Indra is called the "Jatau Jatan" meaning "jat of jats", jaton ka jat i.e. "king of kings"
Samuran Singh ji in your thread on hinduism posted to Soka, somewhere it is mentined that Aryan word in rigveda is mentioned 36 times. I feel that Jat word is mentioned much more than that.
Plz dont misunderstand me. Its true that India always remained a wonder for the world. Plz read the book by A L Basham "The Wonder That was India". Romila Thapar has quoted him many times. I'd been in JNU also in 1986-87. Though science student but still curious of history.
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sktewatia
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all international numerals are arabic numerals n in turn they are indian numerals rather punjabi rather jat numerals taken by arabs from india rather punjab/sindh. Rather arabians called all the indians as Jats (Zotts) only as they encountered mostly jats in trans indus area.
Similarly much of the knowledge by Alexander was taken from Jats/Punjab/India and later he founded Alexanderia University. No doubt India was always hunted n searched for knowledege, wealth, philosophy, soldiers, peace, the best place to live in.....etc. Till today its all indian brain thats being imported and appreciated by USA.
Its not surprising that why invaders, rulers, great robbers, colonizers, monks, peace/war loving people were usually fascinated by India.
all international numerals are arabic numerals n in turn they are indian numerals rather punjabi rather jat numerals taken by arabs from india rather punjab/sindh. Rather arabians called all the indians as Jats (Zotts) only as they encountered mostly jats in trans indus area.
Similarly much of the knowledge by Alexander was taken from Jats/Punjab/India and later he founded Alexanderia University. No doubt India was always hunted n searched for knowledege, wealth, philosophy, soldiers, peace, the best place to live in.....etc. Till today its all indian brain thats being imported and appreciated by USA.
Its not surprising that why invaders, rulers, great robbers, colonizers, monks, peace/war loving people were usually fascinated by India.
narenderkharb
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It is the great contribution of sh. B.S. Dhaia and Respected Joon saheb that today we know a lot history of jat race.Every jat is indebted to them for their historical efforts.
However the search for history is an ongoing process with new discoveries new chapters are written and age old myths are removed.
I remember Ravi ji quoting that Tod and Cunnigham both found horse and cart but just put cart before the horse, same thing(according to me) happened here also as they pointed about the origins of jats.
They find jats spread over many nations responsible for their history right from mouth of Indus river to caspian sea and many europian nations and concluded that jats came from caspian sea.
Their theory prephas was influnced by many scholars who belived east ward migrations of races,and relative unavailability of data in vedic literature.
However there was no reason available for assuming that we came caspian sea. In fact jats migrated slowly to all these nations
These observations are not any assumptions but based on G ENETIC ANALYSIS based on dna analysis,which shows greater variety of chromosomal markings which slowly became rarer as we moved towards west proving that migration jat race is from east to west and not vice versa.recent papers by calcutta stastical institute shows almost negligible genetic contribution from centeral asia.Even vedic culture people except brahaman,s gene spread is restricted to hilly areas inhimalays and not in jat land NW India.
Jats our Fore fathers, we feel proud have a much more glorios history than even anticipated by historians like Dhaia saheb.
Now with latest discoveries the theory about the antiquity of people of Indus valley is much more clear. It has completely demolished the theories of Asko Parpola of dravidian origins of these people and Witzel theory of Austro Asiatic origin. These discoveries has concusively proved the invasion of Vedic culture(Bharaminism) from Tajikstan (Pamirs) and their spread later to gangatic valley.This clearly proves that jats were the original inhabitants of this countary and brahman slowly came afterwards and spread slowly towards gangatic valley and south(POLARITY AND TEPOLARITY OF Y- CHROMOSOMAL DISTRIBUTION STUDIES BY INDIAN AND INTRNATIONAL SCIENTISTS) As they entered this mystic land they adopted the gods of this(SHIVA GNESHAetc. leaving their gods Mitra VARUNA ETC.) land customs as well as dialects of these people.However they preserve their sanskrit hymens which was an economical necessity and the tradition of writing literature in this secertive language which was never the language of commoan man at any point of time in India . people other than Brahmans were dissuaded from even knowing this language for this economical reason only.Since this literature was preserved, when some one search history via this literature he finds a totally cloured version.Jats retained their democratic traditions their hold over most fertle land in the world,they gave concept of atama moksha etc. to these people and so much more that we can keep on writing and reciving very less from them.However their Varna system was an anathema to them who belived in equality an diginity of labour as a result vedic brahmana developed an apathy for them
DNA analysis has also demolished certain myths about some casts like Rajputs claiming to be of this vedic culture Aryans when they found this group distinct from vedic people again varifying this well known secreat that it is a hetrogeneous group of jats gujjars and huns etc.However their beliefs are their we don't want to disturb them.
I would like my brothers to search our roots which are right here in this mystic holy land and not in far away lands.
However the search for history is an ongoing process with new discoveries new chapters are written and age old myths are removed.
I remember Ravi ji quoting that Tod and Cunnigham both found horse and cart but just put cart before the horse, same thing(according to me) happened here also as they pointed about the origins of jats.
They find jats spread over many nations responsible for their history right from mouth of Indus river to caspian sea and many europian nations and concluded that jats came from caspian sea.
Their theory prephas was influnced by many scholars who belived east ward migrations of races,and relative unavailability of data in vedic literature.
However there was no reason available for assuming that we came caspian sea. In fact jats migrated slowly to all these nations
These observations are not any assumptions but based on G ENETIC ANALYSIS based on dna analysis,which shows greater variety of chromosomal markings which slowly became rarer as we moved towards west proving that migration jat race is from east to west and not vice versa.recent papers by calcutta stastical institute shows almost negligible genetic contribution from centeral asia.Even vedic culture people except brahaman,s gene spread is restricted to hilly areas inhimalays and not in jat land NW India.
Jats our Fore fathers, we feel proud have a much more glorios history than even anticipated by historians like Dhaia saheb.
Now with latest discoveries the theory about the antiquity of people of Indus valley is much more clear. It has completely demolished the theories of Asko Parpola of dravidian origins of these people and Witzel theory of Austro Asiatic origin. These discoveries has concusively proved the invasion of Vedic culture(Bharaminism) from Tajikstan (Pamirs) and their spread later to gangatic valley.This clearly proves that jats were the original inhabitants of this countary and brahman slowly came afterwards and spread slowly towards gangatic valley and south(POLARITY AND TEPOLARITY OF Y- CHROMOSOMAL DISTRIBUTION STUDIES BY INDIAN AND INTRNATIONAL SCIENTISTS) As they entered this mystic land they adopted the gods of this(SHIVA GNESHAetc. leaving their gods Mitra VARUNA ETC.) land customs as well as dialects of these people.However they preserve their sanskrit hymens which was an economical necessity and the tradition of writing literature in this secertive language which was never the language of commoan man at any point of time in India . people other than Brahmans were dissuaded from even knowing this language for this economical reason only.Since this literature was preserved, when some one search history via this literature he finds a totally cloured version.Jats retained their democratic traditions their hold over most fertle land in the world,they gave concept of atama moksha etc. to these people and so much more that we can keep on writing and reciving very less from them.However their Varna system was an anathema to them who belived in equality an diginity of labour as a result vedic brahmana developed an apathy for them
DNA analysis has also demolished certain myths about some casts like Rajputs claiming to be of this vedic culture Aryans when they found this group distinct from vedic people again varifying this well known secreat that it is a hetrogeneous group of jats gujjars and huns etc.However their beliefs are their we don't want to disturb them.
I would like my brothers to search our roots which are right here in this mystic holy land and not in far away lands.
narenderkharb
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Tajikhstan thoug a muslim nation is not searching its ancestory to arabic lands.Finding this nation as the original homeland of vedic culture people they are paying a homage to their ancestors by celebrating year 2006 as the ARYAN YEAR.
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anjuliedalal
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Dear Soko Norman,
You know it is so nice to hear of a jat or get from another part of the world. When you said roman and indian scholars have reached to the same conclusions about our ancestory... that made me think.. maybe there is something about the jat movement.
You said that in your schools there was atleast a page about get history. Not bad, that is a good begining. There is some acknowledgement. Here in America, when we learn about European history there is no mention of a jat or get ancestory.
You look punjabi or haryana. Might want to look into it.
By the way, are gypsies jats too. In your part of the world what do they say about that.
Dear Soko Norman,
You know it is so nice to hear of a jat or get from another part of the world. When you said roman and indian scholars have reached to the same conclusions about our ancestory... that made me think.. maybe there is something about the jat movement.
You said that in your schools there was atleast a page about get history. Not bad, that is a good begining. There is some acknowledgement. Here in America, when we learn about European history there is no mention of a jat or get ancestory.
You look punjabi or haryana. Might want to look into it.
By the way, are gypsies jats too. In your part of the world what do they say about that.
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