Jats in Indian epics

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Jat and Jat gotras in Mahabharata

Most of Jat historians write that we do not find mention of Jat word
in our epics. All write example of Jats and Meds in Sindh during the time of Mahabharata to show antiquity of the word Jat. But it is not correct and historians have not tried to interpret the names of Devas, Gods, Warriors who have been mentioned in Mahabharata.

I give here examples from Mahabharata which is available on line. The on line links to Shalya Parva are -

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09045.htm English text

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/mbs/mbs09044.htm Sanskrit text


In Book 9 Section 45 of Shalya Parva we have its English text. And in
Book 9 Chapter 44 we have its Sanskrit text and the English
transliteration. I have taken these on Jatland Wiki and given links to
some of Gods and the combatants who appeared in the installation
ceremony of Kartikeya, the son of Ganesha. Here are the links of
Jatland Wiki. You may see here

http://www.jatland.com/home/Shalya_Parva_in_English

http://www.jatland.com/home/Shalya_Parva_in_Sanskrit


In these the words provided links with Jat gotras are seen blue.

The following gods and the combatants have similar name in Jat gotra list

In Mahabharata – in Jat gotra

Dhatri – Dhatarwal
Gandharvas – Gandhar
Kasyapa – Kashyap
Atri – Atri
Sinivali – Sinsinwal
Airavat – Ahlawat
Vasuki – Vasuki
Mani – Maan
Damvara – Dhama
Kunda – Kundu
Kusuma – Kaswan
Vala – Bal, Balhara
Ghasa – Ghasal
Kanchana – Kanchap
Sankukarna – Sankhunia
Jata – Jat
Kunadika – Kundarwal
Punyanaman – Puniya
Kokonada – Kukana
Ajodara – Ajdolia
Gajasiras – Gajraj
Jwalajibha – Jewlia
Jati – Jat
Hari – Hari
Krishnakesa – Krishnia
Jatadhara – Jat
Jathara – Jat
Dhumra – Dhama
Gayana – Gaina
Vana – Bana
Kalakantha – Kala, Kalkal
Kalakaksha - Kala, Kalkal
Majjala – Manju
Tuhara – Toor
Madhura – Madhur
Thakara – Takhar
Pandura – Pandu, Pundir
Achala – Achra
Kokanada – Kok
Lohajvaktra – Lohchab
Javana – Joon
Mundagriva – Mund
Krishnaujas – Krishnia
Kharvaktra - Kharb

The Jat gotra names and their details can be found from Jatland Wiki at -

http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Gotras

It is to be noted all these Jat gotras are very old and reported as rulers in some areas by Jat historians like Thakur Deshraj, Dalip Singh Ahlawat etc.

What is needed is an intensive search and their interpretation in right perspective. The shloka 54 clearly mentions that one of the God was Jat as under -


54 एकाक्षॊ थवाथशाक्षश च तदैवैक जटः परभुः
सहस्रबाहुर विकटॊ वयाघ्राक्षः कषितिकम्पनः
 
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Oh dear...its exhausting

Mr Burdaks work is painstakingly done but one tends to get lost in all the puzzles of shlokas and their interpretations. At least it is beyond my comprehension.

I feel like all of us to find the origin of jats and not to get confused in various words and their interpretations. I feel If the Jats were really what we all are trying to say they were, then one thing is very clear that they did not keep any records of this greatness. Well thats Jat like quality , i assume. In our other forums we have been expressing that the jats were non puranic whereby here we are refering to ganesha, Brahma, Bhadrakali and all the shloks of the purans.....i just do not understand.

he other issue is that we are saying that the Jats were great in the ancient, pre ancient times then where were they after that period till 17th century. There is no record or shloka in this period. Most of the history books are written by Jats who tend to get biased towards their clan and so there word cannot be taken on its value.

What i feel is that all are trying to grapple at straws and assuming whatever we want to believe. We shud take a leaf out of Maliabad Pathans [Yusufzais] who wanted to know about their roots since they had kept their race pure through the ages at Maliabad near lucknow. One of these Maliabadi Pathan went to Israel to do gene research and find out what were the beginning of these pure Yusufzai muslim pathans. You know what they found out?? According to research they were the sons of joseph, also known in islam as yusuf. Zai in Pakhtuni means son. So they were found out to be sons of joseph, the jew. i really sympathize with these true muslims.

I feel we shud get our genes researched and not keep harping about similar sounding words. Lets get scientific and based on facts rather than fiction.

rgds
 
thambu said:
As a small interjection.

There is no need for jats to get worked up, and accuse Jat historians of bias, when they write about the Jats.

The fact of the matter, quite simply is, that jats have been thoroughly ignored in Indian History, by non Jat Historians, or whenever they have been referred to in the History books , they have been referred to in derogratory terms.

The point is that all Historians are biased, for history is largely a Point of View. The bias is their in all writers- British put their POV, castiest Indians put their POV.

Why then do we get upset, when jats put their POV?

I , for one, see no need to be apologetic when Jat historians bring out a favourable picture of the jats.

Luxman Burdak, is one of rising stars among the Jat historians, doing a lot of primary reasarch,


With the amount of output that he brings out, it should not be unexpected that, some of the material may be confusing, especially, to some one who had not been through the learning curve, in Indian history.

That said, I would love to see a thousand Luxman Burdaks, bring their skills , to the study of the history of our people.

Jat History studies will get quite a shot in the arm

While we have come a long way, we still have along way to go.

Ravi Chaudhary
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smeker said:
ravichaudhary said:
excelento
we can say that history is not a exact science like math,but a probabilistic one.
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History never can be science ....... but it's an overview of what our ancestors did in past and how can we learn from that .... provided the fact that we want to learn from their advantages and mistakes..... without any doubt and questions ....

Probablity occurs only in confused minds, my dear friend :)

So, just decide what we are and what we want to be .............
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vijay said:
smeker said:
History never can be science ....... but it's an overview of what our ancestors did in past and how can we learn from that .... provided the fact that we want to learn from their advantages and mistakes..... without any doubt and questions ....

Probablity occurs only in confused minds, my dear friend :)

So, just decide what we are and what we want to be .............
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Stil ,history use scientific methods.An exact science need 2 things- repetiton and observation.An historical event never repeat it self and cant be observed in the present(except present events).But an earth whitout history is like a man whitout memory.
Imagine that you dont remember anything.
We search the bits of memory left in the earth,in the old books,in bones,in artefacts.History is not science because we dont remember all.:)
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smeker said:
vijay said:
Stil ,history use scientific methods.An exact science need 2 things- repetiton and observation.An historical event never repeat it self and cant be observed in the present(except present events).But an earth whitout history is like a man whitout memory.
Imagine that you dont remember anything.
We search the bits of memory left in the earth,in the old books,in bones,in artefacts.History is not science because we dont remember all.:)
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Historian getting philosophical .:)

Soko

I was interested in history of romanian Jats ,Can you share info about earliest record of them in romania ,their possible movement in to or out of romania .Other related info .Let us start a new thread .Some say that they were a part of Toccharian group that moved west .How true ?
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Ok ,i gona try to answer in detail today or towmorow.
Till then ,the first mention was in a greek theater piece,in 6 century BC,which mention Charnabon ,the king who rule over the get.
 
Why we need sanskrit shlokas from epics ?

Our readers like Arun Ahlawat are right when they say they get confused in the jugglery of sansakrit shlokas while reading Jat history. I would like to say that this is bound to happen till Jat history becomes crystal clear like science.

But the problem with us is that we do not have the system of recording Jat history in the past. We have to depend on what ever has been mentioned and where ever we find. It all has to be brought on record and interpreted. Most non Jat historians say that Jats or the Jat clans are not mentioned in Indian epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana. It is because they do not have knowledge about Jat gotras and their variants. When ever any Jat clan is mentioned in these epics the historians overlook and take it to be some outsider or from the aboriginal tribes.

We know that Jats were Aryans and living in Aryavrata then they should have been mentioned in the epics. All the sanskrit shlokas prove that Jats from very ancient time were in India that included Pakistan. Sindh being the epicenter.

Even if they are mentioned for example in the following shloka from Online Mahabharata -

54 एकाक्षॊ थवाथशाक्षश च तदैवैक जटः परभुः
सहस्रबाहुर विकटॊ वयाघ्राक्षः कषितिकम्पनः

It clearly says that one of the Gods was Jata in the first line. Now if you read its online English translation you will not find Jat word. He has translated in such a way that he combined Eka word with Jata to be Ekajata. So the English reader will not believe that this is used for Jat. But Sanskrit version clearly writes about Jat.

That is Why we need sanskrit shlokas from epics to prove the antiquity of Jat word. We need not to confuse ourselves.

Thanks Raviji for clarifying the things.

Regards,
 
narenderkharb said:
smeker said:
Historian getting philosophical .:)

Soko

I was interested in history of romanian Jats ,Can you share info about earliest record of them in romania ,their possible movement in to or out of romania .Other related info .Let us start a new thread .Some say that they were a part of Toccharian group that moved west .How true ?
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how you sugest to name this new thread?
first ,we have to be objective and establishe if this people are realy related and is not just a name coincidence.
lets make a map of supozed related people
make a comon standartise name
saka-for central asia
jat for india
goth for denmark
get for thracia
guti for sumerian-iran-kurdistan
jass-for hungary
are posibilites that secui-szekely to be saka at origin.
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Laxmanji,
Provide the original link from where this shloka is taken. Lets see what does Jatah stand for here. Give the link of the chapter in MBH.

-vinod

lrburdak said:
Our readers like Arun Ahlawat are right when they say they get confused in the jugglery of sansakrit shlokas while reading Jat history. I would like to say that this is bound to happen till Jat history becomes crystal clear like science.

But the problem with us is that we do not have the system of recording Jat history in the past. We have to depend on what ever has been mentioned and where ever we find. It all has to be brought on record and interpreted. Most non Jat historians say that Jats or the Jat clans are not mentioned in Indian epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana. It is because they do not have knowledge about Jat gotras and their variants. When ever any Jat clan is mentioned in these epics the historians overlook and take it to be some outsider or from the aboriginal tribes.

We know that Jats were Aryans and living in Aryavrata then they should have been mentioned in the epics. All the sanskrit shlokas prove that Jats from very ancient time were in India that included Pakistan. Sindh being the epicenter.

Even if they are mentioned for example in the following shloka from Online Mahabharata -

54 एकाक्षॊ थवाथशाक्षश च तदैवैक जटः परभुः
सहस्रबाहुर विकटॊ वयाघ्राक्षः कषितिकम्पनः

It clearly says that one of the Gods was Jata in the first line. Now if you read its online English translation you will not find Jat word. He has translated in such a way that he combined Eka word with Jata to be Ekajata. So the English reader will not believe that this is used for Jat. But Sanskrit version clearly writes about Jat.

That is Why we need sanskrit shlokas from epics to prove the antiquity of Jat word. We need not to confuse ourselves.

Thanks Raviji for clarifying the things.

Regards,
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lrburdak said:
Hi Vinod,

For English translation of Mahabharata on line Book 9 Ch 45 see the link -

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09045.htm

For Sanskrit to English transliteration see specifically Shloka 54, Book 9 Ch 44 which mentions Jatah Prabhu -

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/mbs/mbs09044.htm

Regards,
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54 एकाक्षॊ थवाथशाक्षश च तदैवैक जटः परभुः
सहस्रबाहुर विकटॊ वयाघ्राक्षः कषितिकम्पनः


It should read;

'JUT" prabhu" not" jatah Prabhu
"

the phonetic sound is " Jut" as in " But" certainly not ' Jatah"


Ravi Chaudhary''


Luxmanji

Where is this word 'Jut' in the English translation, which line?

I do not see it?

Who did the Translation anyway?
 
Raviji,

See line 56 in the middle of this English translation

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m09/m09045.htm

I reproduce that line here-

Dwadasaksha, Ekajata, Sahasravahu, Vikata, Vyaghraksha, Kshitikampana, Punyanaman, Sunaman, Suvaktra, Priyadarsana,

The standard transliteration of जट in Sanskrit is Jata. 'h' is put for ः So जट+ः=जटः which is Jatah. It is noun and is for Jat god.

Here in English translation mistake is that 'Ek' which should come with 'tadaiv' has been added with Jata, making it Ekajata. Here it is missed from net searches.
 
Takhar Jats and their history

Takhar (ताखर) is gotra of Jats found in Districts Ganganagar, Jhunjhunu, Sikar and Jaipur in Rajasthan. They are also in Bhopal and Mandsaur districts in Madhya Pradesh & Narnaul and Mahendergarh in Haryana. Takhar is also a province in Afghanistan.

History

Bhim Singh Dahiya[1] mentions about this clan. In ancient past they were also known as Tokhar or Tusar. Markandeya Purana mentions them with Kambojas, Barbaras and Chinas and are called Vahyāto Narāh, i.e. "outside people".[2] This shows that they were not still considered Indian at the time of Markandeya Purana. Mahabharata mentions Tukhāras as well as Tusaras. Tuśārs are mentioned by the Vāyu Purāna. [3] There it is clear that Tukhars and Tuśārs were different. That is why we have Takhars as well as Tusar clans among the Jats. Mahabharata places them beyond the Himalayas and correctly so. Takhara has been mentioned in Salya Parva of Mahabharata as one of the names of those combatants armed with diverse weapons and clad in diverse kinds of robes and ornaments, that Skanda procured at his ceremony of investiture. Harivansha mentions them with Sakas, Pahlavas, and others and they are branded as Mlecchas - another proof of their Centra Asian origin and conquering nature. But the Greek writer Strabo has only praise them, in spite of the fact that they had destroyed the Greek kingdoms of Bactria. Says he:

"The best known as the nomad tribes are those who drove away the Greeks out of Bactria, the Asi, the Pasiani, the Tochri and Śacarauli, who came from the country on the other side of Jaxartes...[4], [5]

Here Asi are another name of the Sakas (Asiagh Jats, Asik, Arsika); the Pasiani has been rightly corrected as Kusiani (the Kushanas), and Tochri are the Takhar, and Sacarauli are the Sakaravakas of Puranas. Lassen, identifies Tochares with the Tukhars and locates them in north Hindukush. [6], [7]

Their role in the history of Kashmir in 9/10th century is important. The Tokhars are an important clan with a brilliant past. Their clan gave their name to a language (Tokhari), to a country (Tokharistan). They seem to have come to India in the second century BC to second century AD.[8]

Bhim Singh Dahiya mentions about Takhar Jats in Sindh at the time of attack in 712 AD. They have been mentioned as Buddhist rulers of Siwistan. They made peace with Mohmad bin Qasim. Their ruler at that time was Kaka, son of Kotal and the grandson of Bhandargu Bhangu, a Jat of Bhangu clan. Qasim then asked Kaka, "Oh, Chief of Hind, what is your mode of bestowing honour?" Kaka replied, "Granting a seat, and investing with a garment of silk, and tying a turban round the head. It is the custom of our ancestors, the Jat Samanis". (Here the word Samani stands for the Buddhists, showing thereby that the Jats were Buddhist at that time). Another Jat, Banana son of Hanzala also came to the side of Qasim and Takhar Jats under Moka, son of Bisaya were brought before Qasim, who treated them with kindness and respect. A grand umbrella surmounted by a peacock, a chair and a robe of honour were bestowed upon him. All his Takhars were favoured with robes and saddled horses. Historians relate that the first umbrella of Rāṇagi, or chiefship, which he gave, was this to Moka.[9] Here it should be noted that like the Rai, Rana is also a title meaning chief. It should also be noted that these Takhar Jats were honourably given saddled horses by Mohmad bin Qasim.[10]

Distribution in Rajasthan

Locations in Jaipur district - Khatipura, Kisangarh, Renwal, Chomu, Badhal,

Villages in Sikar district - Balu Baba Ki Dhani, Maganpura (Dantaramgarh),

Villages in Jhunjhunu district - Narhar,

Distribution in Madhya Pradesh

Found in Madhya Pradesh in Bhopal, [Mandsaur]] districts.

Villages in Mandsaur district - Betikheri, Bugalia (Gujarda), Kacharia Jat, Laduna (Sitamau), Malhargarh, Mandsaur, Mandsaur, Nataram (Sitamau), Pipalkhuta, Ralayta (Multanpura), Ranayra (Sitamau),

Notable persons from this gotra

* Bajrang Lal Takhar
* Dharmpal Takhar
* Karan S. Takhar

References

1. ↑ Bhim Singh Dahiya, Jats the Ancient Rulers, p. 272-273
2. ↑ LVII, 39
3. ↑ XIV, 118
4. ↑ Strabo, XI, 151
5. ↑ Bhim Singh Dahiya, Jats the Ancient Rulers, p. 273
6. ↑ B C Law, op. cit., p. 396
7. ↑ Bhim Singh Dahiya, Jats the Ancient Rulers, p. 273
8. ↑ Bhim Singh Dahiya, Jats the Ancient Rulers, p. 273
9. ↑ Elliot and Dowson: History of India as told by its Own Historians, Vol. I, p. 165
10. ↑ Bhim Singh Dahiya, Jats the Ancient Rulers, p. 215
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http://www.jatland.com/home/Takhar
 
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