Jats in Pre Aurangzeb days

aapke paas AK 47 hai ya Sten gunn?:eek:ek bai aao ho arr thak thak thak thak kar jyo ho....arr maar jao ho yahdai ke saare jat members nai:D...
Anyways,jee hum bhi aandolan shuru kar dete par hum uss time paida nahi hue the....waise aap bhi jat hi ho na?aur ji eating and farting are natural processes and every normal human being does it :D...itna chaum kyu aa rahe ho?
snandal1 said:
gandhi ne namak banao andolan..shuru kiya tha..he had to break the law, gujjar had to break the law...but u jats were always eating n farting on the properties of ur ancestors...
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deepika said:
aapke paas AK 47 hai ya Sten gunn?:eek:ek bai aao ho arr thak thak thak thak kar jyo ho....arr maar jao ho yahdai ke saare jat members nai:D...
Anyways,jee hum bhi aandolan shuru kar dete par hum uss time paida nahi hue the....waise aap bhi jat hi ho na?aur ji eating and farting are natural processes and every normal human being does it :D...itna chaum kyu aa rahe ho?
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saurab sahi keh raha h thats a 100% fact ...i endorse his views
kyunki yahan log jataoon ko bargalate h ......or bhola jat unki kahi hui m bhaloya jata h ............
 
kisi bhi race ki ak47 us ki apni mansik vritti hoti hai. meri ak47 meri awaz hai aur mera dil hai. bund karo ye bakwaas jat. first plz concentrate on ur real ideal economic political social...issues...that all is mbedded in reservation...for jats... rest of all the solutions in history ...etc.. etc...will themselves come out....
 
rkumar said:
Word "Lawless" in itself does not mean much unless one defines what law or laws were broken by Jats and under what circumstances. There was nothing like Indian constitution in those days and the states were run on the whims of Kings. It all had to do with who was more powerful. Strong kings could force their whims and not the weaker kings.

RK^2
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such a strong historical practical knowledge! yes, man, there used to be law in those days also. but legislature, executive n justice were all merged in one.

thare got tte kalkhande ji up me tte thode bhot mille koni..? but jai ho..
 
thare up ke ek tau ne koi mandal kamisan ssya koi lyaya thya 70% obc khattar. pur ke bataanyen bhai va charan ka funda va vp singh ne devi lal ke sir pe de maarya..
 
VivekGathwala said:
saurab sahi keh raha h thats a 100% fact ...i endorse his views
kyunki yahan log jataoon ko bargalate h ......or bhola jat unki kahi hui m bhaloya jata h ............
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jat emotional hota hain log uska faayada uthate hain
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but leave apart those emotional characteristics of jats, now. emotions never got back the delhi of jats, never got back the sindh of jats from brahmin, never braught back their majority land of jats from rajput, no jat cm is there till today, ....in rajasthan....


but emotion never braught back jat from punjab/haryana also...where ounjab still had some better performance but haryana had the most dismal...jai ho..

but then till today...jat ghulam apni hi majority me... bhai talwar se to dar lage ssye. chalo jis kisi ne koshish kari rajasthan me....

but ek neta hua tha undivided punjab ka chhoturam jis ne baniye tte dar lagya tha...i can gurentte that bania never freightened jats....nor he does till today...jat was the biggest fool upon earth jis ki kismat me apne karmo ke karan ghulam hona likha hai...aur isi liye vo aaj tak is jat land site pe abhi tak bhi reservation ko sirf discuss hi kar hai....aur jab tak suraj chand rahe ga ye jat is jatland pe mahan maharathi hi rahega...
 
mhara ye chhotu jatyan ne samjhata rhaya ukk bhole bhai ek to bolna jann le aur dusra apna dusman pahchan le... jo log is jatland pe reservation discuss karte hain ve hi jat ke sub se bade dusman hain....aur un me bhi bahar ke non jat to yagya me ghee dalne ka kaam kar hi rahe ....lekin yahan yagya karne wale apne hi bhai bandhu koi kam nahn hainn...
 
2+2 is 4

ye jat ko samjhana padta hai...

per is site pe 16 duni 8 wale jat bhi bahut baithe hain....aur vo bhi bahut padhe likhe...lekin un ki padhai australia me jub indian/jat job ke naam pe kut te hain jub vo muhn pe patti bandh ke baith jate hain...they never advise them to fight...that u'll have better merit....u fight....n ...u'r khuddar...why r u returning after kutting pitting from australia to india...better give them a bfitting reply...u r jat after all...why should u be a coward to run back to ur country...? u r a super human being...etc...
 
duniyan ka koi bhi vyakti jo jat ko aklmand kahta hai, usse jatland pe reservation ka thread dikha do...baki ki sari baten apne aap clear ho jayengi....ki kyon ye jat 5000 saal tak apni hi majrity me ghulam kyon raha? fitrat hai is jat ki....whaterver the reasons are.....n ....all those reasons are displyed on this reservation thread...where no one else but pdhe likhe jats only are misguiding their own youths for the reasons best known to them...
 
bakri ki teen tang howe se. chal bhai vahan to jat ne koi shart lagayi. lekin yahan jat kis se shart laga ke aa raha ke jat ko reservation nahin chahiye...


kai baar yuun bhi hota hai ki padhe likhe jat ko gaanv ka jat jute mar ke shahar me bhej deta hai, aur vo quasam kha leta hai ki me ne in ganwar jat ko seedha karna hai....kya is liye ye shahri jat gaanv ke jat ki reservation ko oppose karta hai? aare bhai shahri jat jatland wale tere reservation yadi nahin chahiye to tu mat le bhai...tere ko kaun force kar raha hai...lekin mere bhai jo gaanv me tere bhai bhukhe mar rahe hain un ko to le lene de.....tu apni khuddari ke chakkar me apne gaanv ka naash kyon kar raha hai?
 
ravichaudhary said:
http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_history_prior_to_1669


"The Jat history prior to 1669, according to the historian Qanungo, had little scope for their lawless activity under the strong governments of the Surs and the Mughals down to the accession of Aurangzeb (1658 - 1707). They remained quite till the religious persecution of that Emperor and the misrule of the provincial viceroys goaded them into rebellion.[1]

After the enchanted sleep of a century, administered successively by the hypnotic spell of Akbar, the genial indifference of Jahangir, and the mild patting of Shah Jahan, Hindu India woke to life again in second half of the seventeenth century, being rudely shaken by the pious activity of the saintly Emperor Aurangzeb (1658 - 1707). Accustomed to look upon the occupant of the throne of Delhi, though of an alien faith, as th e shadow of God on earth, the awakened Hindus found to their surprise and sorrow that the impartial ruler of Hindustan had changed into a militant missionary of Islam.[2]


The above is an extract form Jatland wiki


How accurate is it?

Interesting that Quanango describes Jats as ' lawless", and but for the ' strong rule of the Muslim Mughals, would have continued their lawless ways!

Comments?


Ravi Chaudhary
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though its not binding but its preferable to give ur comments about jat reservation. nutt vidya seekhi but jutt vidya nahin seekhi. when jats will power their history will automatically be corrected. when jats aquired power at bharatpur there came many historins...n ...till today...no jat history is better than bharatpur history....plz go for power first....many historians can be hired thereafter.....jats or non-jats....quanungo...sircar...etc...were not jats...i hope...


n e way plz carry on with ur dedicated spirit....
 
amiteshv said:
though its not binding but its preferable to give ur comments about jat reservation. nutt vidya seekhi but jutt vidya nahin seekhi. when jats will power their history will automatically be corrected. when jats aquired power at bharatpur there came many historins...n ...till today...no jat history is better than bharatpur history....plz go for power first....many historians can be hired thereafter.....jats or non-jats....quanungo...sircar...etc...were not jats...i hope...


n e way plz carry on with ur dedicated spirit....
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roti milegi to hisory etc ka kaam karoge...
 
snandal1 said:
roti milegi to hisory etc ka kaam karoge...
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absolutely Bhukhe pet bhajan nahin hota, history philosophy to bahut door ki baat hai.
money money more money, then all these bangali historian ek nai history likh dengen, jisme jaton ke alawa kisi ka astitva hi nahin hoga.

history is always written by the winners. When two cultures​
clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which​
glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said,​
'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?' " . "By its very nature, history is​
always a one-sided account."



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rajivsp said:
absolutely Bhukhe pet bhajan nahin hota, history philosophy to bahut door ki baat hai.
money money more money, then all these bangali historian ek nai history likh dengen, jisme jaton ke alawa kisi ka astitva hi nahin hoga.

history is always written by the winners. When two cultures​
clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which​
glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said,​
'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?' " . "By its very nature, history is​
always a one-sided account."

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Well put.

That is exactly why we are concentrating here on putting together an account of the history of our people.

The muslims ruled India, they wrote their version

The British ruled - they wrote their version


With Independence, we see an account of Indian history , written by the likes of Irfan Habib, or by Caste Hindus.



The lesson to be learnt is that no matter what, we must preserve accounts of our history.

We have the resources, and must devote some to that.

Simply whining and complaining is not enough.


Ravi Chaudhary
 
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rajivsp said:
absolutely Bhukhe pet bhajan nahin hota, history philosophy to bahut door ki baat hai.
money money more money, then all these bangali historian ek nai history likh dengen, jisme jaton ke alawa kisi ka astitva hi nahin hoga.

history is always written by the winners. When two cultures​
clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which​
glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said,​
'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?' " . "By its very nature, history is​
always a one-sided account."



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truly said. history is known by the winners only. used to b a valiant jat fighter at jhelum who fought with alexander the gr8. puranas missed not only porus bcause he was a jat but due to jat they missed all alexander history at once and thereafter a hisrotrian smoth comes from england and there in his history book, more than two third or one third history is about alexander. nd from his history books indian anals of history could have known the history of some porus, the phore jat nd the one ambhi who was tokus jat of takshila who sided with alexander to defeat the phore jats.
bread nd butter nd ganna, the sugarcane were the most important things that india needed and jats provided in bulk to whole of india.
these things today i our own villages when jats are dying for bread nd butter. historian jats are concentrating better on their history and not on their bread nd butter.

when rome was burning nero was playing on his flute.
jab rome jal raha tha, to nero bansi baja raha tha.
 
snandal1 said:
truly said. history is known by the winners only. used to b a valiant jat fighter at jhelum who fought with alexander the gr8. puranas missed not only porus bcause he was a jat but due to jat they missed all alexander history at once and thereafter a hisrotrian smoth comes from england and there in his history book, more than two third or one third history is about alexander. nd from his history books indian anals of history could have known the history of some porus, the phore jat nd the one ambhi who was tokus jat of takshila who sided with alexander to defeat the phore jats.
bread nd butter nd ganna, the sugarcane were the most important things that india needed and jats provided in bulk to whole of india.
these things today i our own villages when jats are dying for bread nd butter. historian jats are concentrating better on their history and not on their bread nd butter.

when rome was burning nero was playing on his flute.
jab rome jal raha tha, to nero bansi baja raha tha.
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well your paragraph is too good to understand
no body can write such puzzlesome lines ,very tough.
jara vistaar se likhne ka kast kare,
 
ravichaudhary said:
Nandal ji

What is the relevance of this comment by you to the topic???


Ravi Chaudhary
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the relevence is that no body else but jat himself makes himself fool..creates his own history....n this reservation thread is doing ditto the same...karvan guzar gaya gubar dekhte rahe aur abhi hazaron saal tak ye jat gubar bhi dekh kar sochte hi rahenge...aur kai jat to itne bade mahatma hain is site pe...ki vo bolenge aage se kabhi gubar bhi nahin udna hai aur gubar bhi nahin dekhna hai jaton ko....have given some non-jat n e notice?
 
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I tought the thread was about jats in pre Auranzeb days...But you have a severe problem of bringing this topic of reservation even if its not required.Had you been doing something productive then you wudn't have been wasting time writing looooooooong lectures favouring reservation.Seems you are the one who needs reservation the most.Its a request not to derail the topics and to write about reservation in the thread concerned.

snandal1 said:
the relevence is that no body else but jat himself makes himself fool..creates his own history....n this reservation thread is doing ditto the same...karvan guzar gaya gubar dekhte rahe aur abhi hazaron saal tak ye jat gubar bhi dekh kar sochte hi rahenge...aur kai jat to itne bade mahatma hain is site pe...ki vo bolenge aage se kabhi gubar bhi nahin udna hai aur gubar bhi nahin dekhna hai jaton ko....have given some non-jat n e notice?
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