Join Baba Ramdev in Bhrashtachar Mitao Satyagraha - 4th June 2011

[annch]

So, we vote for a person and not a political party. We are quite forgiving too. We vote for a person, get taken for a ride. Come next elections, the person asks for another chance, we forgive and again elect him/her. Who do you blame now for "our" leaders?
By your theory, everyone does "hera-pheri". So, how come you are placing full faith in Lokpals? Do you also need another body that will be check on Lokpals?

Well, Its true that they get picked up by voters but they probably vote to the person whom they considered best among the lot and those who think they all are same probably doesn’t vote.

Honestly, if I become a minister I might do the same, more or less. Everyone does little bit "hera-feri". The first priority for every individual is to secure the future of his/her family, We work hard so that we can feed our family, so that we can give the best to our family. In our fields we have contractors working for us. Do you blindly trust them? No we assume they are dishonest!! That’s why we keep a check on them, that’s why we supervise them. We don’t assume other way round. Same is the case with your workplace. Doesn’t your performance get reviewed by your employer? Don’t they have controls in place? Not to say that all are dishonest or unethical but we assume that and to stop that we put these checks in place. Politics is their profession and in capitalist world we all want to maximise the wealth.

All lawyers are taught to be remain ethical. But do you assume this when you hire them. No, you assume they will always try to maximise their returns. But you think you are protected by law and a lawyer wont risk going against law for little gains.

Choosing Congress or BJP isn't the solution. Both of them are in same profession and would oppose any such act in their heart. Solution is to put more and more checks and create a fear among them before they ask bribe or before they act dishonestly Same way as other professional or you yourself are afraid. This would make sure that before acting unethical they think 100 times.

Lokpal bill is a try to achieve that but these politicians, of course, wont want a stronger bill same way as I wont want my employer to keep looking above my shoulders all the time. Voters are now asking for this .

Voters cant solely be blamed for choosing these leaders but yes they can be blamed for not asking such measures like Lokpal earlier. Politicians dont own us or the country, they are just working for it and get paid as everyone else. What would you, as an employer, do if all your employees become dishonest? Would you blame yourself for that (for their intentions or hiring them)? OR would you first try to make sure that you dont leave a way for them to act unethical?

Whats the guarantee that the next one your hire wont act unethically?

 

[sinwar]

lo bhai ab rahul baba bhagwan ban gaye hain........wah ri murkh janta

 

[virj]

So, we vote for a person and not a political party. We are quite forgiving too. We vote for a person, get taken for a ride. Come next elections, the person asks for another chance, we forgive and again elect him/her. Who do you blame now for "our" leaders?

I didnt get what is your point here?

By your theory, everyone does "hera-pheri". So, how come you are placing full faith in Lokpals? Do you also need another body that will be check on Lokpals?

Where did I say I have full faith in Lokpals??

I just said ITS A TRY, an effort, to put more check. And I always appreciate them who at least try rather than those who pre-assume it may work or may not work and do nothing but its also true that the try should be a smart try not like a donkey who try to fly.

By acting dishonestly, the GOVT is making money not the Lokpal members. We hope that as Lokpal member's interests may not be the same they might keep a check on them. One can argue that they can bribe Lokpal members too. Well yes they can. But its a start and its better to have something rather than have nothing.

An owner of a big company cannot personally supervise each employee even if he want but he has to delegate the resposiblities to different individuals and hope for the best. He put other measures in place. This wont get rid of corrpution fully but it helps to reduce it. In corporate world its called seperation of dutes.

We have to keep improving the sytem and for that we have to keep asking. There will always be a chance for someone to act dishonest but we have to make it hard for them.


P.S: I am not a great juggler of words. I am sure someone can put this in better words. But its also not hard to understand what I am trying to say and this whole post is meant to be read together.

 

[spdeshwal]

पिछले चार पांच दिन के घटनाक्रम से कुछ बातें साफ़ हो गई हैं !
१) बाबा राजनीति नहीं कर रह था या राजनिति का क ख भी नहीं जानता!
अगर ऐसा होता तब गिरफ्तार होने का मौका नहीं छोड़ता ! ज्यादातर राजनीतिज्ञ ऐसी परिस्थियों में गिरफ्तार होना चाहेंगे !
२) बाबा के संघठन में दूसरा कोई ऐसा नहीं है जो बाबा की अनुपस्तिथि में नेत्रित्व कर सके !
३) कोई वैकालिप प्लान शायद नहीं बनी थी या इसकी जरुरत नहीं समझी !
यानाकि, अदुर्दार्शिता या जरुरत से ज्यादा आत्मविश्वाश , जबकि आप कांग्रेस जैसे कपटियों के समूह से दो चार हो रहे हो!
४ ) बाबा में दूरदर्शिता की कमी है ! एक दूरदर्शी नेता , सेना बनाने जैसी, आत्मरक्षा के लिए ही सही , घोषणा नहीं करता !
हम सब जानते हैं यह एक हताशापूर्ण बयां है ! देर सबेर बाबा को इस से मुकरना पड़ेगा , और भी शाख गिरेगी !
५ ) बाबा ने बहुत जनसमर्थन का खो दिया है, खासकर पढ़े लिखे वर्ग का !
६ ) कांग्रेस, सत्ता में बने रहने या लोगों को मुर्ख बनाने में अविश्वसनीय स्तर की धूर्तता और बेईमानी कर सकती है !

अंत में, बाबा रामदेव , दुसरे अनगिनत बाबाओं की श्रेणी में खड़े दीखते हैं!
में ऐसा विश्लेषण जल्दबाजी में कर रह हूँ शायद !
या मेरी भी हताशा उजागर हो रही है !

सत्यपाल!

 

[akshaymalik84]

अन्ना हजारे और बाबा रामदेव दोनों बावली बूच है .......बिना किसी दूरदर्शिता के, बिना योजना के, बिना किसी ताल मेल के अनशन पे बैठ गए ....इन ने सोची जनता थारे साथ है .....सरकार ते थारे आगे भाजी भाजी हंडे गी .....इनको पता होना चाहिए था की सरकार के पास इन से ज्यादा चतुर और धूर्त लोग है ....इब देखो दोनों परिस्थितियों में सरकार का हाथ ऊपर है ....

अन्ना हजारे ने लोकपाल मीटिंग का बहिस्कार कर के साड़ी बागडोर सरकार के हाथ में दे दी....इब सरकार अपने हिसाब ते लोकपाल बिल बनावेगी ....और १५ अगस्त ते पहलया ऐ लागू कर देगी ....अर्र अन्ना हजारे खड़ा खड़ा लाखावेगा .....

नुए बाबा रामदेव का कलेश काट दिया .....दिल्ली ते खदेड़ दिया ..इब बांडे जागा हरिद्वार में बैठा बैठा .....कोई न सुने उसकी ....अगर चुप चाप गिरफ्तार हो जाता तो लोगो की सहानुभूति भी मिलती और आन्दोलन को और तीव्रता मिलती .....वो ते शुक्र है इसको गोली ना मारी .....ना मार मूर के ....इसा केस बना दे ऐ ...दुनिया ढूँढती रह जा कोण मार गया बाबा ने .....पुलिस साफ़ कह दे है ....हमको खबर थी की बाबा की जान खतरे में है ....इसलिए हम उन्हें बचने के लिए आये ...लेकिन इस से पहले की हम उन्हें ढूँढ पाते ...किसी ने उनका कतल कर दिया...लोग दो चार दिन रोवे ऐ ....फेर अपने काम धंदे में लाग जा ऐ ......इसे केस में तो कोई भी राजनितिक पार्टी ऐसा ही करती .......
देश पे राज करना इतना आसान ना होता, और अब ये केस होए पीछे सरकार की छाती और चौड़ी हो जगी और अपनी मन मर्जी की करेगी ....

 

[urmiladuhan]

Why blame the leaders, when we ourselves are responsible for nominating them as leaders? We vote with our emotions and not our brains.

Ann jee, Public image, Public Relations are a big part of getting elected. This is a universal phenomenon. Even inthe U.S , where the educational/economic level of population is much higher than India's, public image of the candidate counts heavily in elections.

Regards,

Urmila.

 

[rinkusheoran]

I just wonder, if both Anna and Ramdev are doing something good that is common then why they are not on the same platform , is it for the credit or something else if someone could enlighten ??

 

[samarkadian]

India hasn't seen upheaval after Indipendence. First skirmish between Govt. and opposition was during 70s when golden dream of indipendence was shattering and frustation among public was rising above tolerance level. In these 30-35 years population has seen great education scenario with globalisation in 90s. Globalisation came with corruption as its side effect. Politics was never such a money spilling profession than this.In these two decades India has witnessed scams and mother of scams along with middle class getting prosperous. Tolerance level is again at threshold. But there is difference. In 70s there were leaders like Lohia and JP who had leaded successful agitations and movements against one of the most powerful PM - Indira gandhi. In present scene, social activist and religious faces don't ve that much of experience in political and social leadership. Clear example is that Ramdev and Anna Hazare don't ve an alternate second line leadership in case they got arrested. Problem with Ramdev is his day dreaming about social and political movement.When Indian lower and upper middle class is looking for an efficient leadership to lead such crucial movement he is just not ready to leave the mic to anybody else. His verbal-diarrhea puts question mark over his leadership nonetheless his popularity will increase by this incident, undoubtly. Be it Anna or Baba, both need to ve a second line of leaderships. In these times of frenzy media govt's every move is to dilute image of such movements. So they ve Digvijays, Sibbals, Sahays, etc where as these activists have none. It is not fasting which scares govt rather it is gathering and angry crowd who supports such masses. Govt.'s strength is machinery while movement's strength are people, they shall never be demotivated. Oh yes, but BJP is all down, don't know which bug has infected them. In an upshot , Govt must not be left for relaxing at all. It is highly unlikely but if wisdom prevails why Anna and Baba not call Jat Aarakshan people who did cut off Delhi with supply.

 

[rajpaldular]

The girl has Asymptomatic HIV infection. The virus can be dormant for years together in the body of carrier (in this case the girl called Congress).

The symptoms are showing up now..and the girl will soon succumb to them and will die a painful death on the election bed. Watch out for this.

If you want the girl to survive a bit longer, please pay your penance by staying focussed on topic and keeping the pressure high on the girl to be less promiscuous.

And yes, If 'someone' has been 'close' to the girl recently, it's time to rush to the nearest hospital to get a checkup!!

Exactly Mr. Vikas Gulia...A bundle of thanks.

 

[prashantacmet]

Who is the best politician at present in our country and which party should we vote for in the next election?? Kindly enlighten.

does it mean 'rahul is best'? VP Ji, you raised your finger on sushma dancing act and vikas on rahul tactics eating among the poor. how did this best leader thing came in picture. I don't understand why are you always so defensive for congress and blunt for BJP? ..and as far as party is concerned, congress is worst party in India..and these gandhis are biggest thugs of this country

 

[urmiladuhan]

We pick the lesser of the two devils. Or, we vote for the other party not because we like it, but because we hate this party. .

I think there is a provision on the ballot paper to tick the box stating you choose no one. If one doesn't like any of the candidates, say so. If enough people do this i.e., choose no one, it sends a strong message that the masses want better people. The fact of the matter is that the candidates comes from the masses itself. They are simply a reflection of the population. The bottom line is it is better to say you choose no one than to choose an unworthy candidate.

Regards,

Urmila.

 

[vikasgulia]

Who is the best politician at present in our country and which party should we vote for in the next election?? Kindly enlighten.

The answer is very simple... Gandhi Ji suggested the following: (though am not great fan of Gandhi Ji due to his blunder on nehru , nevertheless, i have a respect for him, at least to avoid plagiarism : Am taking a leaf out of Gandhi's philosophy)

"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man [woman] whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him [her]. Will he [she] gain anything by it? Will it restore him [her] to a control over his [her] own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to swaraj [freedom & democracy] for the hungry and spiritually starving millions?
Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
- One of the last notes left behind by Gandhi in 1948, expressing his deepest social thought

I delibertely highlighted Swaraj to ensure that you choose at least a party that follows internal democracy before claiming to be a harbinger of people's democracy.

 

[singhvp]

prashantacmet;269249]does it mean 'rahul is best'? VP Ji, you raised your finger on sushma dancing act and vikas on rahul tactics eating among the poor. how did this best leader thing came in picture. I don't understand why are you always so defensive for congress and blunt for BJP? ..and as far as party is concerned, congress is worst party in India..and these gandhis are biggest thugs of this country

I simply expressed my distaste for Sushma's dance. It would be immature to conclude that those who do not like X will surely like Y, especially when the third choice Z is available. Moreover, tastes differ from person to person and everyone may not have the same opinion about any particular person/object. Congress and BJP both are evils and pragmatism demands that one must choose lesser evil if we do not have the third choice. Given the third option, I would definitely go in for the third choice.

 

[singhvp]

The answer is very simple... Gandhi Ji suggested the following: (though am not great fan of Gandhi Ji due to his blunder on nehru , nevertheless, i have a respect for him, at least to avoid plagiarism : Am taking a leaf out of Gandhi's philosophy)

"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man [woman] whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him [her]. Will he [she] gain anything by it? Will it restore him [her] to a control over his [her] own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to swaraj [freedom & democracy] for the hungry and spiritually starving millions?
Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
- One of the last notes left behind by Gandhi in 1948, expressing his deepest social thought

I delibertely highlighted Swaraj to ensure that you choose at least a party that follows internal democracy before claiming to be a harbinger of people's democracy.

Are you concerned more about internal democracy or the weakest/hungry man as referred to by Gandhi. What is Sushma's priority - the former or the latter? This newfound love for Gandhi by the Sangh Parivaar is difficult to digest.

 

[vikasgulia]

The answer is very simple... Gandhi Ji suggested the following: (though am not great fan of Gandhi Ji due to his blunder on nehru , nevertheless, i have a respect for him, at least to avoid plagiarism : Am taking a leaf out of Gandhi's philosophy)

"I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man [woman] whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him [her]. Will he [she] gain anything by it? Will it restore him [her] to a control over his [her] own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to swaraj [freedom & democracy] for the hungry and spiritually starving millions?
Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."
- One of the last notes left behind by Gandhi in 1948, expressing his deepest social thought

I delibertely highlighted Swaraj to ensure that you choose at least a party that follows internal democracy before claiming to be a harbinger of people's democracy.

Are you concerned more about internal democracy or the weakest/hungry man as referred to by Gandhi. What is Sushma's priority - the former or the latter? This newfound love for Gandhi by the Sangh Parivaar is difficult to digest.

One more question! Sir, looks like you did not try the talisman, else your doubts and your self would have melted away. Please try again with a clear heart, you will be left with no doubt and immense peace will prevail.

At least, i feel so when i try the talisman!

(Painting the text green as mark of inner peace).

 

[cooljat]

With questions being raised over his huge assets, yoga guru Baba Ramdev has decided to declare all his personal financial details and assets of firms and trusts associated with him by Thursday evening.

In an attempt to silence his detractors, Ramdev would disclose the financial details of all 34 companies associated with Patanjali Yogapeeth on its website.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story/baba-ramdev-to-declare-his-financial-details/1/140902.html

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Salute to Baba Ramdev, truly a man of words .. said & done, he declared his assets on his website as announced yesterday, you can check his website -

http://www.divyayoga.com/


Now it's Congress parasites turn .. interesting to see their next move .




Hail Baba Ramdev !!


Godspeed ..

 

[virj]

Godspeed bhai Godspeed!

बाकि बही खाता खुलता तो कोणी या error दिखावे हे :Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL".

तने कित थ्या गी? कितने अक ले रहा हे मोड़ा ?

 

[singhvp]

One more question! Sir, looks like you did not try the talisman, else your doubts and your self would have melted away. Please try again with a clear heart, you will be left with no doubt and immense peace will prevail.

At least, i feel so when i try the talisman!

(Painting the text green as mark of inner peace).

The Talisman prescribed is meant for those who have some doubt. I do not have a figment of doubt about my conviction. Otherwise also I never go to quacks for any prescription.

 

[cooljat]

Re Gyani, tham ja !!


Rolla yo hai ke server fail ho liya ... eib ek saath itne log site hit karenge to server ki to foonk nikal hi jaagi, technical term hua kare hai ek DOS means denial of service, yo ho liya iski site ke saath !!

Waise aur ghanni news sites pe falsh hone laag gi ye khabar .. ude baanch le !

Dhanwaad !!

Godspeed bhai Godspeed!

बाकि बही खाता खुलता तो कोणी या error दिखावे हे :Database Error: Unable to connect to the database:Could not connect to MySQL".

तने कित थ्या गी? कितने अक ले रहा हे मोड़ा ?

 

[virj]

Thik s jhabru. Baki ib marshal law koni laavan ke aapi, ib Ramdev(Moda) Law laan ki tayari s ke?!