" Kahan gai Jat ki pagdi ?"

vpsingh said:
The basic purpose of wearing clothes was, perhaps, to cover some body parts and to protect ourselves from the vagaries of weather. With the passage of time the pattern of clothing became a symbol of identity for different tribes. Similarly, the original idea of turban (pagri) was, I guess, to protect our head and neck from sunshine and dust. That is why it originated in those areas which are relatively hotter and dry (Sahara Desert : (Sudan, Morocco, Niger) Parts of Arabian Dessert, Pakistan, Rajasthan and adjoining parts of Haryana). With the passage of time ‘Pagdri’ was also taken as a symbol of pride and “chaudharat” by some social groups like ours, and also Muslims in some countries (Sudan & parts of Pakistan).

The custom of wearing turban (pagri) is waning fast and I do not think it has to do anything with the prestige of Jats. Fashion keeps changing with the passage of time and the type of clothes one should wear is a matter of individual choice. A Jatni in bikini on the beach will always remain a Jatni and a Jat in Coat and Tie will also remain a Jat. Similarly, a Britisher cannot be converted into a Jat simply by putting a pagri on his head and a British lady cannot become a Jatni by wearing Ghaghra Chunni or Salwar Kameez.
The brothers/sisters from UP are not lesser Jats simply because they prefer a cap to the Pagri. Some parts of UP are much more advanced educationally, economically and in otherwise, than the other Jat dominated States. Therefore, we must avoid this kind of comparison. A Jat is a Jat whether he stays in Manhattan or in a remote village of Rajasthan, UP or Haryana.
Remain united guys.
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written in sanity........sums up all the points
 
Baat key Mayney

Kasutee baat kah gaye syaney
Topi key nikley alag mainey
Alag narey matlab Nikaley
Dekha Aaley ho gayaa kaaley

Dagar sey naa hatho matwaley
Ekta kaa sangathan deekha ley
Watan hai tumarey hawaley
Sansar mein Nek naam kamaaley

Jat ekta banaakee dekhaley
Kaum parsthee sey naa hath matwaley
Muchha arr pagad key gunn gaaley
baat aathey hee jamaaley

















vpsingh said:
The basic purpose of wearing clothes was, perhaps, to cover some body parts and to protect ourselves from the vagaries of weather. With the passage of time the pattern of clothing became a symbol of identity for different tribes. Similarly, the original idea of turban (pagri) was, I guess, to protect our head and neck from sunshine and dust. That is why it originated in those areas which are relatively hotter and dry (Sahara Desert : (Sudan, Morocco, Niger) Parts of Arabian Dessert, Pakistan, Rajasthan and adjoining parts of Haryana). With the passage of time ‘Pagri’ was also taken as a symbol of pride and “chaudharat” by some social groups like ours, and also Muslims in some countries (Sudan & parts of Pakistan).

The custom of wearing turban (pagri) is waning fast and I do not think it has to do anything with the prestige of Jats. Fashion keeps changing with the passage of time and the type of clothes one should wear is a matter of individual choice. A Jatni in bikini on the beach will always remain a Jatni and a Jat in Coat and Tie will also remain a Jat. Similarly, a Britisher cannot be converted into a Jat simply by putting a pagri on his head and a British lady cannot become a Jatni by wearing Ghaghra Chunni or Salwar Kameez.
The brothers from UP are not lesser Jats simply because they prefer a cap to the Pagri. Some parts of UP are much more advanced educationally, economically and in otherwise, than the other Jat dominated States. Therefore, we must avoid this kind of comparison. A Jat is a Jat whether he stays in Manhattan or in a remote village of Rajasthan, UP or Haryana.
Remain united guys.
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Theek Kaha Bhai...

vpsingh said:
The basic purpose of wearing clothes was, perhaps, to cover some body parts and to protect ourselves from the vagaries of weather. With the passage of time the pattern of clothing became a symbol of identity for different tribes. Similarly, the original idea of turban (pagri) was, I guess, to protect our head and neck from sunshine and dust. That is why it originated in those areas which are relatively hotter and dry (Sahara Desert : (Sudan, Morocco, Niger) Parts of Arabian Dessert, Pakistan, Rajasthan and adjoining parts of Haryana). With the passage of time ‘Pagri’ was also taken as a symbol of pride and “chaudharat” by some social groups like ours, and also Muslims in some countries (Sudan & parts of Pakistan).

The custom of wearing turban (pagri) is waning fast and I do not think it has to do anything with the prestige of Jats. Fashion keeps changing with the passage of time and the type of clothes one should wear is a matter of individual choice. A Jatni in bikini on the beach will always remain a Jatni and a Jat in Coat and Tie will also remain a Jat. Similarly, a Britisher cannot be converted into a Jat simply by putting a pagri on his head and a British lady cannot become a Jatni by wearing Ghaghra Chunni or Salwar Kameez.
The brothers from UP are not lesser Jats simply because they prefer a cap to the Pagri. Some parts of UP are much more advanced educationally, economically and in otherwise, than the other Jat dominated States. Therefore, we must avoid this kind of comparison. A Jat is a Jat whether he stays in Manhattan or in a remote village of Rajasthan, UP or Haryana.
Remain united guys.
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मेरा सवाल सिर्फ यह था के "इन जाटों ने किस से प्रभावित हो कर यह गांधीवादी सोच अपने सर पर रखी ?" न के टोपी और पगड़ी के इतिहास से था | उत्तर प्रदेश के जाट का जिक्र इस लिए आया क्योंकि यहाँ ज्यादातर जाट इस गाँधी टोपी को पहनते हैं | इसका मतलब यह नहीं था के वहाँ का जाट छोटा हो गया या जाट नहीं रहा | टोपी से मेरा मतलब सिर्फ गांधीवादी सोच से हैं न के लिबास से | मैं सिर्फ इतना बताना चाहता था के लोग अपनी सोच का कैसे प्रचार करते हैं | गाँधी के सव्देशी आन्दोलन के बाद से देश में इस टोपी का ज्यादा प्रचालन हुआ और यह गाँधी टोपी के नाम से जानी जाने लगी | संयुक्त पंजाब के जाटों में यह टोपी इसलिए प्रचलित नहीं हुई क्योंकि यहाँ गाँधी जी की दाल गली नहीं |
 
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Raka Bhaisahb, main aapki ees baat se katti bhee sehmat nahi huin kee ye Topi sirf gandhi waadi vichardhara kaa parteek hai, agar aisa hota to subhash chander bosh apne sir pe topi rakh ke nahi ghhumta aur naa hee ye RSS wale uus topi ke haat laagate aur jo "bhartiya kishan union" wale topi lagake ghuumte hain use gandhiwadi vichardhara kaa parteek maane aur "chaudhary mahendar singh ticket" kee vichardhara kaa......I dont belive that gandhi jee asked anyone to wear a topi, yes thats true he asked them to "wear khadi and sawdeshi"... aur rahi topi-khandwe kee baat UP ke jaats ke liye topi kee uutni hee importance hai jitne kee haryana ke jaat ke liye pagdi kee.... dono ko hee izzat kaa parteek mana jata hai.... aur kaun kehta hai kee UP ke jats pagdi nahi bandhte....wahn abb bhee agar ghar kaa koi bada bujurg (mukhiya) expire ho jata hai to uske next mukhiya ko pagdi bandhi jaati hai.....
I dont know how does this topi thing came into existance among jats but one reason might be its cost effectiveness... "Jitna kapda aap ek pagdi main lagaoge uutne hee kapde main pure parivar kee topi ban jayegi aur use pehn ne main jo time saving hogi wo alag" :-)
agar aapki baat se sehmat hua to iska matlab ye hua kee aab se jo bhee ganja aadmi mila wo mahatma gandhi arr har chhori jiske chhote chhote baal waa indira gandhi.....
raka said:
मेरा सवाल सिर्फ यह था के "इन जाटों ने किस से प्रभावित हो कर यह गांधीवादी सोच अपने सर पर रखी ?" न के टोपी और पगड़ी के इतिहास से था | उत्तर प्रदेश के जाट का जिक्र इस लिए आया क्योंकि यहाँ ज्यादातर जाट इस गाँधी टोपी को पहनते हैं | इसका मतलब यह नहीं था के वहाँ का जाट छोटा हो गया या जाट नहीं रहा | टोपी से मेरा मतलब सिर्फ गांधीवादी सोच से हैं न के लिबास से | मैं सिर्फ इतना बताना चाहता था के लोग अपनी सोच का कैसे प्रचार करते हैं | गाँधी के सव्देशी आन्दोलन के बाद से देश में इस टोपी का ज्यादा प्रचालन हुआ और यह गाँधी टोपी के नाम से जानी जाने लगी | संयुक्त पंजाब के जाटों में यह टोपी इसलिए प्रचलित नहीं हुई क्योंकि यहाँ गाँधी जी की दाल गली नहीं |
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bishanleo2001 said:
Raka Bhaisahb, main aapki ees baat se katti bhee sehmat nahi huin kee ye Topi sirf gandhi waadi vichardhara kaa parteek hai, agar aisa hota to subhash chander bosh apne sir pe topi rakh ke nahi ghhumta aur naa hee ye RSS wale uus topi ke haat laagate aur jo "bhartiya kishan union" wale topi lagake ghuumte hain use gandhiwadi vichardhara kaa parteek maane aur "chaudhary mahendar singh ticket" kee vichardhara kaa......I dont belive that gandhi jee asked anyone to wear a topi, yes thats true he asked them to "wear khadi and sawdeshi"... aur rahi topi-khandwe kee baat UP ke jaats ke liye topi kee uutni hee importance hai jitne kee haryana ke jaat ke liye pagdi kee.... dono ko hee izzat kaa parteek mana jata hai.... aur kaun kehta hai kee UP ke jats pagdi nahi bandhte....wahn abb bhee agar ghar kaa koi bada bujurg (mukhiya) expire ho jata hai to uske next mukhiya ko pagdi bandhi jaati hai.....
I dont know how does this topi thing came into existance among jats but one reason might be its cost effectiveness... "Jitna kapda aap ek pagdi main lagaoge uutne hee kapde main pure parivar kee topi ban jayegi aur use pehn ne main jo time saving hogi wo alag" :-)
agar aapki baat se sehmat hua to iska matlab ye hua kee aab se jo bhee ganja aadmi mila wo mahatma gandhi arr har chhori jiske chhote chhote baal waa indira gandhi.....
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bishen bhai ab bhi aap shayd jo rkaa bhai keh rahe hain vo smajhe nahi , whether you accept it or not bu this topi signifies the gandhiwad and thats true.

aur bhai aap subhas chander bose ki to le aaye lekin aapko ye bhi pta jis axad hind fauj k vo sena patti the ussi azad hind k president Ch Mahender Pratap ji the ( he was a jat n from up only), unka naam aaj tak nahi aaya ???

In haryana also Ch bansi lal use to wear the same topi its not only on UP but people didint follow him as UP jats did charan singh in wearing that topi.

Bhai ye to mane ya na mane jat ki to aan ban shan hai agdi na ki topi.
 
Bhai rinku main yaa hee baat te samjhan kee kosis kar raha huin kee jaise kee jaise aapke liye pagdi aan baan shan kaa parteek hai waise hee hamare liye Topi......thats how we were raised...... we never encountered any "gandhiwaadi thoughts" behind it
rinkusheoran said:
bishen bhai ab bhi aap shayd jo rkaa bhai keh rahe hain vo smajhe nahi , whether you accept it or not bu this topi signifies the gandhiwad and thats true.

aur bhai aap subhas chander bose ki to le aaye lekin aapko ye bhi pta jis axad hind fauj k vo sena patti the ussi azad hind k president Ch Mahender Pratap ji the ( he was a jat n from up only), unka naam aaj tak nahi aaya ???

In haryana also Ch bansi lal use to wear the same topi its not only on UP but people didint follow him as UP jats did charan singh in wearing that topi.

Bhai ye to mane ya na mane jat ki to aan ban shan hai agdi na ki topi.
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rinkusheoran said:
bishen bhai ab bhi aap shayd jo rkaa bhai keh rahe hain vo smajhe nahi , whether you accept it or not bu this topi signifies the gandhiwad and thats true.

aur bhai aap subhas chander bose ki to le aaye lekin aapko ye bhi pta jis axad hind fauj k vo sena patti the ussi azad hind k president Ch Mahender Pratap ji the ( he was a jat n from up only), unka naam aaj tak nahi aaya ???

In haryana also Ch bansi lal use to wear the same topi its not only on UP but people didint follow him as UP jats did charan singh in wearing that topi.

Bhai ye to mane ya na mane jat ki to aan ban shan hai agdi na ki topi.
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chalo naan li..charan singh ko dekh ke UP ke jaat topi pahenene lage....fer ke julum ho gaya.........charan singh ghatiya manas tha?
 
prashantacmet said:
chalo naan li..charan singh ko dekh ke UP ke jaat topi pahenene lage....fer ke julum ho gaya.........charan singh ghatiya manas tha?
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha bhai faltu ki baat pe kyu ladai karo ho.......

mainly jaat ya to pagdi ya khandva bandha kare.......... topi gandhivadi khaskar pehante hain.

sabse badi baat ye ki chahe koi pagdi bandho, ya khandva, ya topi ya kuch bhi mat bandho, per jaat to apne karam aur ache karnamo se he pechan liya jata hai...... jaat hoon ye show karne k liye koi special pehnave ki jarurat ni hoti.........

aur aajkal bhai duniya fashion me itni tootgi ki koi apne purane reet-rivaj follow ni karta .....isme hum sare e aage.........
 
sahi kaha bhai...
jat ko pehchan k liye topi ya pagdi ki jarurat nahi hai... wo to muh kholte hee pata lag jata hai ki yo jaat hai..

baki kisi k liye pagdi ki shaan hai kisi k liye topi ki...
so others should respect the symbols of pride let it be topi or pagdi.


vikasJAT said:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha bhai faltu ki baat pe kyu ladai karo ho.......

mainly jaat ya to pagdi ya khandva bandha kare.......... topi gandhivadi khaskar pehante hain.

sabse badi baat ye ki chahe koi pagdi bandho, ya khandva, ya topi ya kuch bhi mat bandho, per jaat to apne karam aur ache karnamo se he pechan liya jata hai...... jaat hoon ye show karne k liye koi special pehnave ki jarurat ni hoti.........

aur aajkal bhai duniya fashion me itni tootgi ki koi apne purane reet-rivaj follow ni karta .....isme hum sare e aage.........
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Shaan e andaaz

Jat kee shaan naa topi sey
Jat kee shaan naa pagdee sey
Jat kee shaan kharee baat kahne mein
Jat kee baat, baat rakhne mein
 
narendersingh said:
Jat kee shaan naa topi sey
Jat kee shaan naa pagdee sey
Jat kee shaan kharee baat kahne mein
Jat kee baat, baat rakhne mein
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wah wah Narinder ji sahi kahi............aapne kavita me bol di aur mane simple bhasa me bol di..............

ebb to in ne samajh jana chahiye ki JAAT KI SHAAN kis me hai.............
 
JAT vikas kee aur agarsar ho
Auraun kee bataa TATHA ASTHU na ho
Maryada to kayam rakhee rahvegee
Baat lagya late samaz mein aavegee
Kargar bindu par charchaa ho
Dhiktana tey tang khichaee ho
Lagey tha maharee karyashelley badal jaygee
Par Duniya hamney jama Tared kahvegee
Lachhan eiy eesha kare ho
Khamkha baata pe chho kare ho
Jat kaum aagey sahee gatha gavegee
Purani leek tawalee chhod javegee
Topi aerr pagad teh door ho
Dhotee sutnee teh parah ho
Maharaja Mahender Pratap walee baat karnee hogee
Chhetrvad teh pareh kee baat kahanee hogee
 
vikasJAT said:
wah wah Narinder ji sahi kahi............aapne kavita me bol di aur mane simple bhasa me bol di..............

ebb to in ne samajh jana chahiye ki JAAT KI SHAAN kis me hai.............
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We just catch hold of issueless talk,and keep ourself out of track.Yeh bhee Jaat kaa Vishesh Gun Hai Dhankarji
 
Jat is religion

Jat hee Dharam
Jat hee Karam
Jat hee Bharam

Jat kare sabko Nukkad
Jat hai Akadd
Jat bada Fakad

Jat mein Himmat
Jat kamaye Siddat
Jat kee badi Izzat
 
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