Kanwarh Menace

[swaich]

yahi baat mai bolna chahta hu ravinder sir... logic to tha or ab bhi hai... par kuch logo ki ya to galat harkat ne, ya for jayada samajhdari ne... us logic ko aprasangik bana diya...

mai to athiest hu par jo maante hain unko kabhi ulta-seedha nahi bolta...

upar ek bhai ne ved-shastro ka jikar kiya.. or aise hi poorane kisse-kahino mai ek kisaa "sharvan kumar" ka bhi hai... is samaj ka yahi durbhagaya hai ki jisne pehli kawar uthai, sab ko uske jaise bacche chahiye... par agar koi sharvan kumar ke rate pe chal ke kawar lene gaya to... sabne ulta-seedha bolna suru kar diya... aare kawar le kar aane mai kya burai hai!!! agar burai hai to unke sufa pine mai hai, ya fir agar vo kisi se misbehariour karte hain to usme hai... or ye bhi maan lo ki bahot sare kawad lane wale ulte-seedhe kaam karte hain.. iska ye matlab to nahi ki sare ek jaise hi hain... mere kuch dost hain.. padhe likhe hain vo bhi le ke aate hain... mai to unko yehi bolta hu ki jitni effort tum uske leke aane mai karte ho.. utni auntie-unkle ki sewa kar liya karo... or vo karte bhi hain.. vo kuch maangne bhi nahi jate... mere poochne pe ek ne to kaha ki jo mila hai uska dhanayawaad karne jate hain... we should have any problem about it, as far as they are going with a clean heart and behave in a decent way... humari concentration or thought process isko bandh karwane ke bajai... is baat pe honi chahiye ki jo ladke bigad gaye hain ya galat harkatein karte hain... unko sahi raste pe kaise laya jaye... or unke sahi raste pe aane se hi bhala hoga... agar kawad lana bandh bhi karwa diya jaye to is baat ki koi surety nahi hai ki vo ladke sulfa chood dengae... or agar hum unko nahi sudhar sakte ya humara usnke upar koi control nahi hai to, humein is baat ka bhi koi haq nahi hai ki hum kavad lane walo ko ulta seedha bole or ya le kar aana bandh karwa de...

ek bhai ne bola wastage of efforts, time and money : aare mai or aap apni next generation ke liye... jo hardwork kar ke paise or property bana ruhe hain... or wahi bacche agar uske barbaad kar de to ye wastage hi to hai, to hum kaam karna bandh kar de kya??? ... wastage to isme bhi hai ki mai mehnat kar kar paise kamau, fir sarkar to tax du, fir sarkar us tax se army/police/intelligence agencies ko salary de... or fir jab mai kabhi market jau to wahan bomb fatne se mar hau!!!!! Ye efforts, time and money ki wastage hum kahan tak avoid kar sakte hain, mugjhe to samajh hi nahi aata...

or jo logo ki 5-7 din tak social life disturb hone wali baat hai... vo t mugjhe joke lagi... humari social life to terrorism, corruption, social and emotional violence, road rages, inflation or bahot sare reason se already itni disturb hai, or kitni hogi...

or agar kawad lane walo ke traffic ke reason se humari social life disturb hoti hai to... mere sikh bhi bhi kuch aisa hi julus nikalte hain (ye to nahi pata ki kyon nikalte hain but dekha bahot bar hai)... or mere muslim bhai har Friday ko rajiv chowk ke paas NH-8 block kar dete hain.. or highway pe namaj padhte hain... or aisa scene or bhi bahot sai jagah pe hota hai... or id ke din to koi wahan se nikal ke dikha de to mai usko 11 rupee inaam dounga(from my hard earned money)... traffic jam to mai bhi jheelta hu but mai kisi ko ulta-seedha bolne ke bajai, ghar se jaldi nikalna suru kar deta hu... ye traffic wale issue pe ya to humein uniform civil law lagu karwane ki maang karni chahie ya thoda adjust karna chahiye...

humare samaj ka sab se baya durbhagya yahi hai ki hum hamesha root cause ki taraf to dhayan dete nahi or jo ho ruha hota hai us par kataksh kar dete hain... aisa hi yahan hua... humne kawad lane wale apne bahiyo ki galtiyo ko sudharne pe to koi vicha diya nahi or unko koosna suru kar diya... agar hum is baat pe discuss kare ki unko or unke moral ko upar uthaye to behtar hoga... shayad JatLand website ka exist hona bhi tabhi sarthak hoga jab hum apne samaj mai koi sakaratmak badlaav le kar aaye... or agar humari efforts se un par koi asar hoga to ya to vo ladke kawad lene hi nahi jayenge... or agar gaye bhi to sulfa peete huae nahi layange...

Bhai..ek sire se discussion start hota hai tabhi to saare pehlu nikal ke saamne aate hain. Maine kaha traffic mein problem aati hai, disturbance hoti hai to kisi aur ne kaha ke yeh log bhatke huye hain...agar yeh thread start hi nahin hoti to hum discussion karte hi na...isi tareeke se har ek discussion kisi ek point se start hoti hai aur hum sab iske root cause pe pahunchne ki koshish karte hain...aur hum aa hi chuke hain ki religion se judi andhvishwas hi problem create karti hain...

Aur bhai public money kahin bhi waste ho usko discuss karne mein kya haraj hai...? This thread is about Kanwars so we are discussing public wastage due to Kanwars..simple. If it was another thread on another kind of wastage at another source we could talk about that.

Aur bhai halakin main khud Sikh hun par main juloos se ittefaq nahi rakhta...mere hisab se juloos jaisi show-off karne wali cheezon ki zaroorat nahin hai...agar karna hi hai to kisi khule maidan mein Sunday ke din ho jisse kisi ko koi problem naa ho...Par main yeh bhi kahunga ki agar saal mein 2 din juloos nikalta hai to 365 din logon ko free langar bhi khilaya jaata hai..to cost-benefit ke hisaab se it comes out alright...but we cant say the same about kanwars..woh anpni khushi ke liye nikalte hain aur problem sab ko hoti hai...hence the discussion..

 

[ravinderjeet]

yahi baat mai bolna chahta hu ravinder sir... logic to tha or ab bhi hai... par kuch logo ki ya to galat harkat ne, ya for jayada samajhdari ne... us logic ko aprasangik bana diya...

mai to athiest hu par jo maante hain unko kabhi ulta-seedha nahi bolta...
..

जो काम ही गलत हे ,उसमे सुधार की गुंजाईश ही कहाँ रह गई | यु एक निरर्थक काम स | ज्युकर पत्राले के तले बाल्टी धर दे , अर उस बाल्टी मेंह तें पाणि लोटे भर-भर पत्राले में गेरे जावे , काम ते कर रया स ,पर उह का मतलब के होया |

 

[sanjeev1984]

I am enlightened.

saal mein 2 din juloos nikalta hai to 365 din logon ko free langar bhi khilaya jaata hai..to cost-benefit ke hisaab se it comes out alright..

 

[swaich]

I am enlightened.

Before you take it in the wrong sense..I meant a cost-benefit analysis from the stand point of the larger public.

 

[sanjeev1984]

ravinderjeet sir... galat kaam ko hi to sudharne ki jayada jarurat hoti hai... maine us post mai ye kehne ki kosish ki hai ki us balti bharne wale ko, humein kisi or kaam mai lagane ki kosish karni chahiye... taki vo bhai us paani ne circulate karna bandh kar ke kuch constructive kaam kare... na ki humeain ye karna chahiye ki ya to us-se loota cheen le ya fir door khade-khade usko ulta-seedha bolte ruhe... i hope agar last time mere se agar kuch chook hui to is time mai maine apne point theek se explain kar paya hounga...

जो काम ही गलत हे ,उसमे सुधार की गुंजाईश ही कहाँ रह गई | यु एक निरर्थक काम स | ज्युकर पत्राले के तले बाल्टी धर दे , अर उस बाल्टी मेंह तें पाणि लोटे भर-भर पत्राले में गेरे जावे , काम ते कर रया स ,पर उह का मतलब के होया |

 

[sanjeev1984]

Thanks for explaining in methametical way and educating me about the cost benefits of traffic jams by public gathering on roads.

lakin badi vichittar baat hai ki main un public-gathering se hone wale traffic jams ko avoid karne ke liye... uniform civil code ki baat kar ruha hu or aap kisi ek particular community ki road pe public gathering ko methametical analysis kar ke justify karne ki kosish kar ruhe ho... or mere muslim bahiyo ke bare mai to aapne koi cost-benefit analysis kiya hi nahi... oops maine "muslim" word likh diya... kahin mai communal to nahi!!!!

Before you take it in the wrong sense..I meant a cost-benefit analysis from the stand point of the larger public.

 

[swaich]

Thanks for explaining in methametical way and educating me about the cost benefits of traffic jams by public gathering on roads.

lakin badi vichittar baat hai ki main un public-gathering se hone wale traffic jams ko avoid karne ke liye... uniform civil code ki baat kar ruha hu or aap kisi ek particular community ki road pe public gathering ko methametical analysis kar ke justify karne ki kosish kar ruhe ho... or mere muslim bahiyo ke bare mai to aapne koi cost-benefit analysis kiya hi nahi... oops maine "muslim" word likh diya... kahin mai communal to nahi!!!!

You are welcome. If you think about it, most human actions are evaluated on a cost-benefit stand point. Why do we skip a red-light but dont commit a murder, although both are crimes? Well for the first offence the cost (challan/fine) is lesser than the benefit (reaching an important place on time). Whereas for a murder, the cost (jail) surpasses most benefits.

So its natural we see public inconveniences from a cost-benefit stand point.

And I wasnt trying to say that a traffic jam because of a Juloos is any less problematic than a Kanwar yatra. But the public opposition is much less because a) it happens once or twice a year and only for a few hours whereas Kanwars travel for at least a couple of weeks at all times of the day, b) People are understanding of the benefit from the people doing the juloos (free langars, pyauuns) as compared to the benefit from kanwars which is none at all.

About Muslim gatherings disturbing people. I havent seen it more than a couple of times, so I cant comment. But since you have seen a few evidently, please free to post your opinion.

 

[sanjeev1984]

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... sorry... but i cant control it anymore....

You are welcome. If you think about it, most human actions are evaluated on a cost-benefit stand point. Why do we skip a red-light but dont commit a murder, although both are crimes? Well for the first offence the cost (challan/fine) is lesser than the benefit (reaching an important place on time). Whereas for a murder, the cost (jail) surpasses most benefits.

So its natural we see public inconveniences from a cost-benefit stand point.

And I wasnt trying to say that a traffic jam because of a Juloos is any less problematic than a Kanwar yatra. But the public opposition is much less because a) it happens once or twice a year and only for a few hours whereas Kanwars travel for at least a couple of weeks at all times of the day, b) People are understanding of the benefit from the people doing the juloos (free langars, pyauuns) as compared to the benefit from kanwars which is none at all.

About Muslim gatherings disturbing people. I havent seen it more than a couple of times, so I cant comment. But since you have seen a few evidently, please free to post your opinion.

 

[sanjeev1984]

Cost benefit analysis!!! : Neither we should skip a red ligt nor we should commit a murder, and that is what i think. It is better to wake up little early (avoiding 2 more minute sleep concept), leave home little early, not need to skipping the red light for any urgent meeting and finally avoiding the challan. And i think as per cost benefit analysis... challan would be costly than 2 minute more sleep habit!!!! And same thing about the murder concept. If somebody is comming to kill me, I would kill him and opt to go to jail. I think going to jail will be less costly than my own life. Ye cost benefit analysis theory to failure hai... Waise to ye alag behas ka issue hai but agar cost benefit ke hisab se dekho to Modi ke sare ilzaam side line kar dene chahiye... because uski leadership mai gujarat ka jitna nuksaan hua hai, us se kahin jayada fayeda hua hai... but fir bhi log uske picche pade rehte hain.. un sare reasons ko le ke jimne SIT ne bhi bola hai ki uska koi involvement nahi tha.... but koi baat nahi is issue pe to kahin or behas karangae...

I agree with you, that traffic jam are equally problematic, caused by kawad yatra, sikh's juloos and namaz on roads.

Agar ambulance mai koi patient hai to vo to marega hi... uski body iska wait thode hi karegi ki chalo aaj to traffic jam, us juloos ke karan hua hai jo saal mai 1-2 bar hi bas 2-4 hours ke liye hota hai... or ye to saal mai 365 din langer bhi lagate hain... nature ko kaise pata chlega ki kisi particular time pe inconvenience ke liye kaise react karna hai... jo galat hai vo sabke liye galat hai or jo sahi hai vo sabke liye sahi hai, ye 365 din ke langae ki duhai mat do...

or ruhi baat kawad ke benefit ki... mai to kabhi laya nahi or na le kar aaounga.. to benefit kawad lane wale logo ke personal hote hongae... may be some kind of satisfaction(talkin about only those, who go with true spirit)... or unko personal benefit ho ruha hai to hume kyon problem honi chahiye... aap bhi apne personal benefits ke liye car se office jate hoge or road pe traffic increase karte hoge... agar car se jate ho to bike se jana suru kar do... kuch to soche cost-benefit analysis ke bare mai or society ka bhala karo...

You are welcome. If you think about it, most human actions are evaluated on a cost-benefit stand point. Why do we skip a red-light but dont commit a murder, although both are crimes? Well for the first offence the cost (challan/fine) is lesser than the benefit (reaching an important place on time). Whereas for a murder, the cost (jail) surpasses most benefits.

So its natural we see public inconveniences from a cost-benefit stand point.

And I wasnt trying to say that a traffic jam because of a Juloos is any less problematic than a Kanwar yatra. But the public opposition is much less because a) it happens once or twice a year and only for a few hours whereas Kanwars travel for at least a couple of weeks at all times of the day, b) People are understanding of the benefit from the people doing the juloos (free langars, pyauuns) as compared to the benefit from kanwars which is none at all.

About Muslim gatherings disturbing people. I havent seen it more than a couple of times, so I cant comment. But since you have seen a few evidently, please free to post your opinion.

 

[rekhasmriti]

yar exceptions are always there

( i toh think so highly of them bechare itne door on foot)

but i guess i m wrong

Btaa bhai kis baat ke bhakt reh gye woh.I guess isme kayi to aise miscreants,criminals hote honge jo dil khol ke paap kare ja hain ar phir soche hain ak ek be isse isse draame kar lo,saare paap dhul jaange.
Waahe baat s bhai saadhu ke bhes mai bhediye,na te sache bhakt ne raula paan ki ke jarurat.Apne mann ne naam rat ta reh aur pahuch ja maatha tekne.
Bhai bhakti bhi asli konya rhi...isme bhi perverts ghus liye

Jai Bhole Shankar

 

[swaich]

Cost benefit analysis!!! : Neither we should skip a red ligt nor we should commit a murder, and that is what i think. It is better to wake up little early (avoiding 2 more minute sleep concept), leave home little early, not need to skipping the red light for any urgent meeting and finally avoiding the challan. And i think as per cost benefit analysis... challan would be costly than 2 minute more sleep habit!!!! And same thing about the murder concept. If somebody is comming to kill me, I would kill him and opt to go to jail. I think going to jail will be less costly than my own life. Ye cost benefit analysis theory to failure hai... Waise to ye alag behas ka issue hai but agar cost benefit ke hisab se dekho to Modi ke sare ilzaam side line kar dene chahiye... because uski leadership mai gujarat ka jitna nuksaan hua hai, us se kahin jayada fayeda hua hai... but fir bhi log uske picche pade rehte hain.. un sare reasons ko le ke jimne SIT ne bhi bola hai ki uska koi involvement nahi tha.... but koi baat nahi is issue pe to kahin or behas karangae...

I agree with you, that traffic jam are equally problematic, caused by kawad yatra, sikh's juloos and namaz on roads.

Agar ambulance mai koi patient hai to vo to marega hi... uski body iska wait thode hi karegi ki chalo aaj to traffic jam, us juloos ke karan hua hai jo saal mai 1-2 bar hi bas 2-4 hours ke liye hota hai... or ye to saal mai 365 din langer bhi lagate hain... nature ko kaise pata chlega ki kisi particular time pe inconvenience ke liye kaise react karna hai... jo galat hai vo sabke liye galat hai or jo sahi hai vo sabke liye sahi hai, ye 365 din ke langae ki duhai mat do...
.

Again you got my post wrong although samajhne wale samajh gaye honge.

Maine yeh nahi kaha ki red light jump karo..but I was trying to explain ki why people find it easier to commit a crime like jumping a red light but dont commit a crime like murder....similarly i was trying to explain why people dont find it as much wrong in a juloos as compared to a kanwar..aapne sahi kaha. jo ambulance mein fasa hai..uske liye to juloos or kanwar yatra ek jaisi hai...use kya farak padta..par main general public ki baat kar raha tha...

aur modi wala discussion shayad jyada lamba ho jayega..is liye usme nahi padna chaiye...ek aur thread hai jisme hum modi wale mudde pe behas kar chuke hain..wahin karein to acha rahega..

or ruhi baat kawad ke benefit ki... mai to kabhi laya nahi or na le kar aaounga.. to benefit kawad lane wale logo ke personal hote hongae... may be some kind of satisfaction(talkin about only those, who go with true spirit)... or unko personal benefit ho ruha hai to hume kyon problem honi chahiye... aap bhi apne personal benefits ke liye car se office jate hoge or road pe traffic increase karte hoge... agar car se jate ho to bike se jana suru kar do... kuch to soche cost-benefit analysis ke bare mai or society ka bhala karo...

I must say this is a very stupid example...jaise ki pehle bhi thread mein kaha gaya..Kawar se lakhon log traffic mein faste hain...par personal benefit sirf kuch ka hi hota hai...is liye aap meri ya kisi ki personal mode of transport ko kaise compare kar sakte hain? Aur agar main car mein job par jata hun to economy mein kuch contribute karta hun, apna ghar bhi chalata hun...ye kanwar to sirf paani dho kar apni satisfaction karte hain...

 

[tilak]

म्हारेम्हारे गाम के भी कई शराबी हरिदवार कांवड़ लायाण जाया करै,

 

[sanjeev1984]

or mera point ye hai ki humko apne dimag ke ghode is baat pe daudane chahiye ki... logo ka moral kaise raise kiya jaye ki vo redlight jumping or killing ko bas crime hi samjhe... mild ya intense nahi... i mean hume is baat pe vichar karna chahiye ki log chahe kisi bhi reason se traffic jam karte hain, unki soch kaise badli jaye... na ki hum door khade ho ke dekhte ruhe ya unko kooste ruhe... agar ye simple si baat aapki samajh mai aa gai ho to sabko mithai khilao... or agar nahi aai to fir se samajhne ki kosish karo...

aapko stupid laga to isme mai kuch nahi kar sakta... i am responsible of what is said, not what you understood... waise economy mein contribute to kawar wale or juloos wale bhi to karte hi hongae... or ek cheez or mugjhe bata do... stupid or illogical batein karne or or example dene ka copyright/licence sirf aapke pass hai kya, mugjhe hi to barabar ka haq mila chahiye???

Again you got my post wrong although samajhne wale samajh gaye honge.

Maine yeh nahi kaha ki red light jump karo..but I was trying to explain ki why people find it easier to commit a crime like jumping a red light but dont commit a crime like murder....similarly i was trying to explain why people dont find it as much wrong in a juloos as compared to a kanwar..aapne sahi kaha. jo ambulance mein fasa hai..uske liye to juloos or kanwar yatra ek jaisi hai...use kya farak padta..par main general public ki baat kar raha tha...

aur modi wala discussion shayad jyada lamba ho jayega..is liye usme nahi padna chaiye...ek aur thread hai jisme hum modi wale mudde pe behas kar chuke hain..wahin karein to acha rahega..



I must say this is a very stupid example...jaise ki pehle bhi thread mein kaha gaya..Kawar se lakhon log traffic mein faste hain...par personal benefit sirf kuch ka hi hota hai...is liye aap meri ya kisi ki personal mode of transport ko kaise compare kar sakte hain? Aur agar main car mein job par jata hun to economy mein kuch contribute karta hun, apna ghar bhi chalata hun...ye kanwar to sirf paani dho kar apni satisfaction karte hain...

 

[swaich]

or mera point ye hai ki humko apne dimag ke ghode is baat pe daudane chahiye ki... logo ka moral kaise raise kiya jaye ki vo redlight jumping or killing ko bas crime hi samjhe... mild ya intense nahi... i mean hume is baat pe vichar karna chahiye ki log chahe kisi bhi reason se traffic jam karte hain, unki soch kaise badli jaye... na ki hum door khade ho ke dekhte ruhe ya unko kooste ruhe... agar ye simple si baat aapki samajh mai aa gai ho to sabko mithai khilao... or agar nahi aai to fir se samajhne ki kosish karo...

To aap bhi maante hain ki Kanwars are a menace and caue public inconvenience..bas fir behas kis baat ki...

And you are right..the solution lies in educating and helping the kanwars understand that its waste full practice...

aapko stupid laga to isme mai kuch nahi kar sakta... i am responsible of what is said, not what you understood... waise economy mein contribute to kawar wale or juloos wale bhi to karte hi hongae... or ek cheez or mugjhe bata do... stupid or illogical batein karne or or example dene ka copyright/licence sirf aapke pass hai kya, mugjhe hi to barabar ka haq mila chahiye???

Kanwar jitna contribute karte hain indirectly karte hain..via roadside dhabas etc..par usse kayi 100 guna jyada un 2 hafton mein waste ho jata hai due to the people who are inconveneinced..

Aapke hisab se agar mere example yahan stupid the to isse aapki hi inteligence ka ka pata chalta hai...baki aap Genetics ki ABC sun ke bhi bahut hasse the par baad mein woh maine references ke saath sahi prove kiya tha..fir bhi aap hass sakte hain..koi tax to hai nahi..

 

[sanjeev1984]

ha ha ha ha.... vo genetics vo ki ABC wala joke itni mushkil se to bhoola tha... fir se yaar dila diya...

To aap bhi maante hain ki Kanwars are a menace and caue public inconvenience..bas fir behas kis baat ki...

And you are right..the solution lies in educating and helping the kanwars understand that its waste full practice...



Kanwar jitna contribute karte hain indirectly karte hain..via roadside dhabas etc..par usse kayi 100 guna jyada un 2 hafton mein waste ho jata hai due to the people who are inconveneinced..

Aapke hisab se agar mere example yahan stupid the to isse aapki hi inteligence ka ka pata chalta hai...baki aap Genetics ki ABC sun ke bhi bahut hasse the par baad mein woh maine references ke saath sahi prove kiya tha..fir bhi aap hass sakte hain..koi tax to hai nahi..

 

[skharb]

cost benefit analysis !!! - haan bhai isse padhe likhe desh ke arthik sudharaan ne gati denge ha ha ha ha

 

[swaich]

ha ha ha ha.... vo genetics vo ki ABC wala joke itni mushkil se to bhoola tha... fir se yaar dila diya...

Jaisa ki maine kaha..hasne ka koi tax nahi hai...And ignorance is bliss.

 

[sanjeev1984]

tax : thanks to government

ignorance is bilss just like your sense of humor... that is seriously incredible bro...

Jaisa ki maine kaha..hasne ka koi tax nahi hai...And ignorance is bliss.

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

kawad chadh li ibb to
tham jao aur agle saal fer chhedyo iss kawad menace ne

 

[fateh]

This practice is an example of lack of education, totally useless practice, it is a show off, nothing else.we should not indulse in such blind practices and should educate others also, I am thankful to the brother who started the post