Kashmir kiska hai

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hsdhull

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KASHMIR KISKA HAI

They came , conquered us , looted us and went away. We couldn’t do anything. Reason: we were not united. They came again and settled here, looted us and charged Zajiya (tax). Than they fought along with us against British and we accepted them as our brothers. Today they accuse us that we are unfair to them. I agree to the fact that sometimes there has been discrimination but we haven’t done anything as they themselves have forced us to alienate them.

When they can very well live happily in Chandni Chowk of Delhi , all around U.P or at Ali road in Mumbai , why can’t kashmiri pandits and hindus live happily in Kashmir. In India there is only one state J & K which have their majority and everybody know the plight of people living there.

The political game of land reforms played by Sheikh Abdullah in 1948 which took all the land from Kashmiri Pandits and that too without any compensation gave birth to all this . Just because they are majority in Kashmir they are asking the accession of Kashmir in to Pakistan . During the recent protests for land deal given to Shri amaranth Shrine board we must have seen those black and green flags . What we can conclude from that. Even on Independence day hoisting of green flag and raising slogans in favour of Pakistan have shown their mindsets.

If they really want to be a part of Pakistan they are free to go to Pakistan but they can forget Kashmir. They can just leave from here. Once known as heaven Kashmir is bleeding today just because of terrorism . No terrorism can survive with out local support , so a person supporting terrorism cannot talk about democracy. There are people like Abdul Kalam and Abdul Hamid Param Vir Chakra whom we consider as our role models , Be like them and we will welcome you in our hearts with our arms wide open. Well writing about only Kashmir doesn’t give me peace , I want to write about India , because I know only one thing that I am a Indian first later a H indu and than a jat. Religion should be personal and I should not talk about it. It’s a faith and talking about it gives it a commercialised look. To sum it up Kashmir belongs to India and we all are Indians here on this soil. Jai hind.

Harjinder Singh Dhull
 
कश्मीर महारा था, महारा रहगा और जे किसे और देश के बाशिंदे, फ़ौज में जोर हो ते कश्मीर ने ले के दिखा दो. भाई लड़ाई में ते जीत के ले नहीं सकते हाँ अगर म्हारे लीडर अपनी इशी तीशी करा गे ते फेर कुछ नहीं कर सकते. Switching to English now....Indian Leadership regardless of congress or BJP have no understanding of military matters, strategy. They are so nihilistic they can't see beyond their nose.
In My Humble Opinion and maybe Col Tewathia, Col Malik or Capt Kalkal can correct me, from strategy point of view, America will leave afghanistan some day maybe in next 3-8 years when that happens it will capitulate to taliban, pakistan will have their strategic depth, they have already modernized their military these jihadis are their assets once they have their backyard secured they will unleash that beast on India, this time their military will not be starved of ammo, parts, equipment. America has already given 48 F-16's that is equivalent to 4 squadrens plus they already have 4 squadrens of older F-16s that are upgraded to Block 52-60, they have rec'd brand new submarines, that can harass Indian navy.
However there are few chinks in their armor, their tanks like Al-Khalid is nothing more than खाली टीन का डिब्बा and Al Zarrar is nothing more than जंग की खार their T80 tank is good. Their Artillery is top notch and weapons locating radar is also top notch. Indian Army has been short changed actually cheated by not having modern Artillary in almost 20 years. Every time Indian Army comes close to choose a product some Idiot files an annoymous letter to CVC and that tender is cancelled till the investigation is completed and we all know how long that takes in India. That's one reason 140+ howitzer are procured from USA via FMS and it is still not a done deal because US Congress can derail that request, State Dept or Commerce Dept may put a damper in things by saying it is export restricted to India. Only nation that was willing to have our cake and eat it too was Singapore but that's another story.

Though I agree with you....
......... I know only one thing that I am a Indian first later a Hindu and than a jat. Religion should be personal and I should not talk about it. It’s a faith and talking about it gives it a commercialised look. To sum it up Kashmir belongs to India and we all are Indians here on this soil. Jai hind
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You are a brother in Arms and you got a brother(s) who will stand next to you shoulder to shoulder. whenever this nation will need her son, all her sons regardless of where they are, will respond to the call in every possible way
 
A wise person once said, "You can not win something on table that you have lost in war."
Pakistan had already lost its claim (!) on Kashmir; few separatists are there in Kashmir.. soon or later they will come in line.

As India's influence (economy) grow in world-affairs... hardly anyone (read other countries) will talk about "Kashmir issue" and hopefully soon it will be as good as dead!! Look no one talks about separatists in Canada, UK, Russia, Spain or China !!
For instance, Tibet issue is almost dead in world's view. Barack Obama, on his recent visit to China, claimed Tibet to be an integral part of China'.
So, as Joker said in the movie The Dark Knight, "These civilized people, their MORALS... Its a bad joke. They will drop it at the first hint of trouble." Can't agree more!!
 
amans said:
You will be the first one to run when enemy comes calling. I know people like you are all empty talk.
Empty slogans, going embassy to embassy to get visas stamped? for what? and going no where!
wanting goras to be your slaves! no better then the people you hate.
get a life.
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हा...हा...हा...बहुत खूब...भाई अमन, बड़ा अच्छा लगा जो तू थोड़ा हंसने-हंसाने की बात भी करने लगा, नहीं तो तेरी बातों में इससे पहले एक अजीब तरह की निराशा-सी ही झलकती रही है. मजा आ गया.
Keep it up :):):)


केवल पाक अधिकृत कश्मीर ही नहीं, बल्कि पूरा पाकिस्तान और बंगलादेश ही भारत का हिस्सा हैं. वहाँ के बहुत-से लोग भी भारत से लगाव महसूस करते हैं, लेकिन समस्या है पाकिस्तान की सेना, इस्लामिक देश और संयुक्त राष्ट्र. मुझे पूरी उम्मीद है कि आने वाले समय में भारत इस लायक हो जाएगा कि वो पाकिस्तान और बंगलादेश को अपने में मिला लेगा और जो लोग, जो देश विरोध करेंगे, उनसे भी निपट लेगा.
 
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Mr Dhull. Can you please tell me on what basis you say kashmir hamara he. Dont think I think otherwise or so but just want to understand what you think about the situation. If they want to be merged with pakistan than there is a reason.
 
Atleast there is possibilty and i might fight. using might to keep u happy. but u dont stand a chance. gv me a reason why u went to USA.
 
vipin80 said:
Mr Dhull. Can you please tell me on what basis you say kashmir hamara he. Dont think I think otherwise or so but just want to understand what you think about the situation. If they want to be merged with pakistan than there is a reason.
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Oye vipin bhai..................

Yo k keh di, aaj kashmir de diya to kaal ne arunachal pradesh china tai dena padega.

Kashmir te India e ka seya te Nehru ki isi tisi hogi thi jo Un elections ki baat beech me leki aaya er Shashtri ji ka ek galat faisley ka dushparinaam jo aaj pak kashmir ne hatiya ki baitha se er china tai gift de se baap ka maal samaj ke.

Aise to log khalistan bhi mangan laggey they nu ka k se jitney muh utni demand sab demand poori karan ki thodey howe se.
 
ye baat mr aman ne uthai hai . maine nahi. i m done with NRI Vs RI. Wht we have to do do something for this country if we can. i ll try. Not only me all are just talking. I m out of this NRI vs RI stuff now. Its useless.
 
hsdhull said:
ye baat mr aman ne uthai hai . maine nahi. i m done with NRI Vs RI. Wht we have to do do something for this country if we can. i ll try. Not only me all are just talking. I m out of this NRI vs RI stuff now. Its useless.
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IS desh n bacha le beera ...............................
 
Sorry for jumping the gun. I didnt read Aman's post. He dont know what he is talking about, just rubbish only he can understand.

hsdhull said:
ye baat mr aman ne uthai hai . maine nahi. i m done with NRI Vs RI. Wht we have to do do something for this country if we can. i ll try. Not only me all are just talking. I m out of this NRI vs RI stuff now. Its useless.
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Concentrate on the Discussion Please

I think, Mr. Dhull started a good subject, but somehow it went astray as usual. Fristly; by calling names; or laughing on others; does not drive any point home. We lose our sight of the subject. The irony is that we want or expect Hindu's and Muslims and for that matter people of different religions live in harmony; when we ourselves don't have a tolerance for a lose remark by a member participant. Both the person making such remark on other member as well as the person responding with similar vigor makes them guilty of hijacking the subject. It reminds me of the famous quote by none other than Mr. Gandhi
"An Eye for Eye, will make the entire world Blind".
Think about it. There is a lot one can write on this subject; but only if we are interested in discussion on the subject. It is much easier to make the claims that we make; but it is really hard to execute those claims when time comes. How many of us will actually fight for the nation when the need arises is any body's guess. More often than not we are subservient to the time "WAQT", we don't know what would be the situation at that time. There are only few who defy it and make the supreme sacrifice for the nation like "Bhagat Singh" Chandrashekhar Azad, and more recently our Hero's in Kargil conflict.
So, let us concentrate on the subject. It is a good subject to discuss. If we don't have any thing to contribute; then just read it or leave for others to contribute.
I am pained to read some of the remarks made by the members.
 
I totally agree with Col Tevathia. Guys lets have a civil discussion and for god sake if you have such little ego you can't accept someones criticism please take a hike. This discussion is very sensitive, timely and important for all of us.

Harjinder Singh Dhull has indeed started a very relevant subject for discussion. Lets take "Peel the Onion" approach to get to the bottom of it and create an informed citizenry that believes in this cause based on facts not emotions. These people should understand the reason why Indian Tax Payers and Fauji have been dying from the last 60 years over this piece of land.

Here are some facts about UN Resolution of plebiscite
1. Raja Hari Singh voluntarily signed the treaty of accession to India. We send our forces to protect our land that legally became part of Indian Union. End of Story from legal point of view, Kashmir is ours from legal point of view.
2. Since Pakistanis and Muslims in general have some sense of entitlement from everyone else in this world because it was said by their Prophet (Pi%% be upon him) they don't believe in civilized legal process or freedom of choice. They must vacate all area that was occupied in 1947-48 skirmishes and let India arrange for free and fair plebiscite in coming year(s). Since pakistan never complied with the provision to the UN Resolution that was agreed by them that has become irrelevant now, then by the international law..............Possession is 9/10 of the law Kashmir belongs to India.

Pervez Musharraf planned Kargil adventure based on the International Law, he was hoping to cut Kashmir in two pieces and call ceasefire afterwards that will give them time to strengthen their position in both military and diplomatic sphere.

Lets not waste time and energy in derailing this thread, lets put our heads together, bring some new ideas, lets parse all other Bull S**t. As a nation we have spend too much in blood and money.

As some wise men once said, the definition of an Idiot is the person who keeps doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.

As Capt kalkal once said, there is only One Indian Gov't in Kashmir and that is Indian Army.

Recently Pakistanis have launched a media blitz by asking Indian Gov't to reduce the strength of IA in kashmir and unfortunately Indian Gov't has agreed to it, this is a recipie of disaster just like the slumber of Indian Leadership prior to Kargil. Pakistanis know they cannot fight Mano-y-Mano with Indian Army, so to win in kashmir they must use their proxies like USA, Britian and other Western Countries to put pressure on India to Reduce the fighting strength of Indian Army and then come up with some other nasty surprise just like kargil.

Lets come up with some new Ideas..........

Even though Harjinder Singh Dhull started this thread, I personally nominate Col Tevathia, Brig Lakshamn Singh and Col Malik as the Moderator of this thread since they are the former Senior Most Military Officers with most experience and first hand knowledge of mission.
 
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areeeee, jo apna h us pe kesi chodar.......... PAK wha ladai aatank fella rha h uska b parmanent solution niklna chhaye............
bt some govt policies is responsible for this......... jo b ho J n K apna h or PAK n Bangala des bhi apna hi h........ yeha k raja o ki aadat rhi h ki wo jamin\ riyasate batte aaye h...........
Jai HInd
 
Here are some facts about UN Resolution of plebiscite
1. Raja Hari Singh voluntarily signed the treaty of accession to India. We send our forces to protect our land that legally became part of Indian Union. End of Story from legal point of view, Kashmir is ours from legal point of view ]
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A question came to my mind. Could someone reply.

If this is the only criteria than shouldnt junagarh be a part of pakistan too.?? And I am damn sure if India had legal claim than UN wouldnt have asked for plebiscite and indian wouldnt have agreed to it.
 
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vipin80 said:
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If this is the only criteria than shouldnt junagarh be a part of pakistan too.??
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Bhai ustime me ek hi criteria tha Jiski lathi uski bhains

Humney lathi dikhai Junagarh aur Hydrabad leliya

Pakistan ne dikhaney ki kosish ki par Indian Army jyada majboot thi to Kashmir bhi leliya....

pata nahi UN kahan se aagaya Pakistaan ne hamarey sipahi pakd rakhey they tb kahan gaya tha UN, Srilanka me LTTE, Tamil womens aur bachho k saath kya hua tab kahan gaya UN, Aur jo Iraq me Iraqui soldiers ke sath hua hai tab UN kahan gaya.

Aaj bhi wahi rule chalta hai Jiski Lathi uski Bhains (Who hav the Guts, buffallo belongs to him only)
 
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Refugees of 1947 , 1526 , 1198 ......including hindus , muslims , irani turki ...etc etc

Talent cannot be hidden. Don't afraid that one's rights will be captured by elseone.

Regards
~Not a LTTE
 
rajkphogat said:
pata nahi UN kahan se aagaya Pakistaan ne hamarey sipahi pakd rakhey they tb kahan gaya tha UN, Srilanka me LTTE, Tamil womens aur bachho k saath kya hua tab kahan gaya UN, Aur jo Iraq me Iraqui soldiers ke sath hua hai tab UN kahan gaya.

Aaj bhi wahi rule chalta hai Jiski Lathi uski Bhains (Who hav the Guts, buffallo belongs to him only)
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Bhai Shaheb,

UN was bakayada invited by Nehru Ji to intervene. I have read somewhere that Nehru thought it would be very hard to proceed further and fight in the mountains He wasnt too confident of the victory thats y he went to UN. Let the respected x/current army members educate us more about the issue.
 
Well according to me there is a solution to Kashmir but we need good leaders to achieve that. . From past experiences it is very evident that Kashmir problem cant be solved by talks with pakistan. First of all we need to secure our borders. Well if we look at infilteration part it is from pakistan side , from Nepal , and from bangladesh. When our idiot leaders will understand that we dont need road and rail connection to these three countries. Rail and road connection can be opened when there govt are stable and they axe their bad intention. Rails coming from Pakistan-- it is not possible to anybody that a whole train and its whole journey can be under security vigilance. Same is for buses. let India should have only Air connection with these three countries. Our political leaders have started these so called Sevas for the people and now it will be hard for new leaders( If some good leaders stand up in our political scene) to stop these as their will be protests. We have been making mistakes and future generations will suffer.

Secondly to erase terrorism in kashmir ( In my view No terrorrism is possible with out local support , even some innocent gets killed they start blaming army , these bloody human right thing-- it is very imperative gehu ke saath gun to pista hii hai ) we first to look in to the matter that no new terrorist is born , for that we must ( Indian govt ) take intiative so that whole young mind of kashmir is diverted to sports and studies. this can be done easily by constructing stadiums and promoting sports and good schools there and on the other hand side by side with the help of Intelligence and army eradicate those people who corrupt young minds with these corrupt ideas of jihad. Aise maulviyo ka to pata bhi nahi chalna chahye kii kahan gaye,
Ab jo bach jayenge unka niptara army Kuch mahino mein hii kar denge.

And for Mr Vipin who ask what basis kashmir hamara hai than he must go and visit jammu command hosiptal and see how many soldiers get admitted there everyday in ICU and fight the battle of life. My best thaks and regards to those docters working there who do a miraculas job there. I salute them too.
 
hsdhull said:
And for Mr Vipin who ask what basis kashmir hamara hai than he must go and visit jammu command hosiptal and see how many soldiers get admitted there everyday in ICU and fight the battle of life. My best thaks and regards to those docters working there who do a miraculas job there. I salute them too.
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That not a very logical answer. But thanks anyway.
 
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