Khap's,Panchayat's wrong turn

"LUCKNOW: After Bhartiya Kisan Union (BKU), the Rashtriya Lok Dal and All India Jat Arakshan Samiti (AIJAS) have also come out in support the diktat of a panchayat at the Asra village in Baghpat. The diktat puts restrictions on the movement of girls and women. A meeting was held in the village and it was decided that a Mahapanchayat will be held on July 21 in which khap panchayats from other parts of Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan and Haryana will also be invited."

So yeah,we have to definitely wait for that 21st date and according to the outcomes of that meeting,we can have a better discussion here and all this parda of support-no-support will be lifted.

And Sumit Jattan bhai,I never doubted capabilities of Khaps and panchayats as an institution.I just want to say that they CAN make wrong decisions and if that is the case,we should condemn these decisions.
It goes something like this-Congress as a party in the form of Indian National Congress had prominent freedom-fighters,leaders,thinkers.Played role in obtaining freedom.But is that a good enough reason for me to not look at present day congress party with an askance view?Era changed h,mentality changed h,leaders changed hain, bas party/institution wahi h.

Ravinder Sura- thx mate.That is a nice piece of info.

Atish(Meham aale)-Bhai teri ya baat pehle hi news aalan ke saamne bol di h.Some Chaudhary guy(not Ajit Singh's son),who is Aarakshan samiti member,said that jo yeh news aale TRP ke chakkar mai humne Talibani bta rhe hain and humaara views ko Talibani diktat bta rhe hain,ar Khap ke baare mai galat bta rhe hain,hum unke khilaaf Legal action lene ki soch rhe hain and agar aisa hi hota rha to hum aapka channel hi dekhna band kar denge.Pure uttar Bharat mai,jo ki Jat bahumulya area h,nhi dekhega koi to thaari yeh ad band ho jaani hain saari.Inhi ke chakaran mai thaam TRP badhaao ho.Hum apna hi ek alag channel shuru kar lenge.
And my larger goal is not to condemn Khaps/panchayats.Mera koi political/TRP interest to h nhi.
It's just that ki maine kuch negative start kiya h to jo log positive maante hain ya jinko iski positive side pta h,woh apne views denge and ultimately nicchoda hua ras mil jaaga which will be beneficial for us,future mai kisi bhi social platform pe hum apne views knowledge ke saath rakh sakenge aur jinhe kuch bhi pta regarding this,unhe acchi info milegi.
 
Bhai sahab, Jat Channel ya pher koi issa channel banana padega jismai Khap tai sahi dikhaya jaawe..us khatir ghani investment chahiye!! Chanda kattha kar lo ;)


भाइयां की जानकारी खातर = में पाछले दो साल तें इह काम में लाग्र्या सूं ,बात आधे तक पाँच ली ,दो तीन महिन्यां में बेरा पात जा गा होवेगा अक नि | जट्टां में कोए भी पिस्से लाण ने त्यार कोणी |
 
Friends,
yashpal malik is always keen to in limelight whether he has any concern or not , he has to say "something " it is relevant or not , he don't bother.
Jayant choudhary have to say something because they comes in their political area , actually they(means father and son ) losing the political strength that's why they trying to defend the decision, now MR Rakesh tikkait are front leader around that area who always holds public meetings almost equal to Ajit singh and tikaits followers are from both religions Hindu and Muslims that's why he favors the decision, hence that village panchayat hasn't any relation to jats .

.they themselves are jats though muslims.. and gotra is same as yours..so you just can not deny..in your eyes they took a wrong decision and you dumped them like garbage..instead of saying they don't have any connection with jats..you should say the truth..and truth is this decision has been taken by a village panchayat (it was not a khap panchayat)..and these people are jats (muslims)...and most of the jats are not concerned about religion...whether hindu/muslim/sikh.....so instead of segregating them at the name of religion and not saying them jats..abusing them saying mulle..etc...just say...I don't accept this decision..that should be enough!
 
भाइयां की जानकारी खातर = में पाछले दो साल तें इह काम में लाग्र्या सूं ,बात आधे तक पाँच ली ,दो तीन महिन्यां में बेरा पात जा गा होवेगा अक नि | जट्टां में कोए भी पिस्से लाण ने त्यार कोणी |
sahi kahi bhai saab!!...saare ke saare sukhhe neta sai...peese laan ke naam tai inka kaalja paate sai..khamkaha ki bakwaad katek hi karwa lo
 
Jatland pai tagga chala lo!! Jiski shradha ho wo contribute kar dega..!! Aaar pisse ke alawa jo dossri tarah ki madad ho sakai wa le lo!!

sahi kahi bhai saab!!...saare ke saare sukhhe neta sai...peese laan ke naam tai inka kaalja paate sai..khamkaha ki bakwaad katek hi karwa lo
 
let me say what i know as i am from the same region

Good issues raised.

But before one comments on them kindly enlighten us:
1. Who constituted/represented the Panchayat and from how many villages/areas the members collected and their number.
It was a village panchayat ..just people of that village mustered along with sarpanch..village is inhabited by jats though muslims..gotra is lakra (chauhan)..there are 5 lakra village in that area..one muslim and four hindus
2. Was it a traditional 'Khap Panchayat' or modern 'elected Panchayat' of some particular village/villages.
Pure village panchayat

3. What was the agenda?
4. Details of the proceedings
5. Decisions arrived at in the meeting and their implementation mechanism.
some girls from the village eloped..love birds were on storms in the village..nothing new this is the same that is happening in every village..so some people gathered and took this decision..and it fell in the lap of media and everyone know how media add the pinch of salt..so it even reached to the home ministry and Chidambaram was forced to condemn this decision..then many netas chipped in and supported or opposed it as per their future advantage in their political area :)..yashpal mailk, jayant chaudhary, rakesh tikait..spoke in support..hawa sing sangwan ji from haryana spoke against..so just making mountains out of mole hills!!...............otherwise sach panchayats are happening day by day in each village and no one cares..but this topic had something sensational in it..and you can see teh hangama!!
 
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Jatland pai tagga chala lo!! Jiski shradha ho wo contribute kar dega..!! Aaar pisse ke alawa jo dossri tarah ki madad ho sakai wa le lo!!

It is good idea but I doubt if it will be enough. Starting a channel is a BIG investment. One needs big names to be associated with it to ensure success.
 
.they themselves are jats though muslims.. and gotra is same as yours..so you just can not deny..in your eyes they took a wrong decision and you dumped them like garbage..instead of saying they don't have any connection with jats..you should say the truth..and truth is this decision has been taken by a village panchayat (it was not a khap panchayat)..and these people are jats (muslims)...and most of the jats are not concerned about religion...whether hindu/muslim/sikh.....so instead of segregating them at the name of religion and not saying them jats..abusing them saying mulle..etc...just say...I don't accept this decision..that should be enough!
I condemn this decision earlier. I want to say don't connect those so called leaders to all jat community because they defense that decision due to their political advantage,
Other thing is Asra village muslim jats don't consider as themselves as jat , if yes then why they wont turn to Hindu as many other after Independence , yes in my village all faimlies who are muslims before independence becomes hindu and all nabouring villagers wont hesitate in making marriage with them and accepts them ,
I think Asra village muslim jat are not concers to us . WHO started call them "Mule" . In dictionary what the meaning is ?.................. Are they not behaving according to the meaning.
 
I condemn this decision earlier. I want to say don't connect those so called leaders to all jat community because they defense that decision due to their political advantage,
Other thing is Asra village muslim jats don't consider as themselves as jat , if yes then why they wont turn to Hindu as many other after Independence , yes in my village all faimlies who are muslims before independence becomes hindu and all nabouring villagers wont hesitate in making marriage with them and accepts them ,
I think Asra village muslim jat are not concers to us . WHO started call them "Mule" . In dictionary what the meaning is ?.................. Are they not behaving according to the meaning.

Regarding your comment in bold - Do you mean to say that only those Muslim Jats that have re-converted back to Hinduism are considered Jats?
 
Regarding your comment in bold - Do you mean to say that only those Muslim Jats that have re-converted back to Hinduism are considered Jats?
if not then why the other Muslim community people won't marry with them , they make marriage among mule jats why?
 
पश्चिमी उतर प्रदेश की सबसे बङी खापोँ मेँ शुमार बाल्याण खाप के चौधरी राकेश टिकैत ने कहा कि बागपत मेँ महिलाओँ पर पाबंदी का फैसला दो गाँवोँ की मुस्लिम पंचायत द्वारा शरियाई कानून के तहत लिया गया है और इसमेँ खाप शामिल नहीँ है क्योँकि मुसलमानोँ मेँ खाप नहीँ होती ।
 
I condemn this decision earlier. I want to say don't connect those so called leaders to all jat community because they defense that decision due to their political advantage,
Other thing is Asra village muslim jats don't consider as themselves as jat , if yes then why they wont turn to Hindu as many other after Independence

I don't know who told you this that only hindu jats are Jats?............from the immortal....jats have accepted many religions time to time..vedic, buddishm, jainism, muslim, sikh , Hinduism...Jats have their part in every religion....secondly all the muslim jats were not converted forcefully...most of the muslim jats embraced this religion at their own will...so i request to gain knowledge on jats history first

yes in my village all faimlies who are muslims before independence becomes hindu and all nabouring villagers wont hesitate in making marriage with them and accepts them ,
hahahha...aap to aise bol rahe ho jaise sara gaam aapke hisaab se hi chalega....this statement is not acceptable..

I think Asra village muslim jat are not concers to us . WHO started call them "Mule" . In dictionary what the meaning is ?.................. Are they not behaving according to the meaning.

asara village muslim jats are not concerned with Hindu jats but they are concerned with Jats..i hope you understand the difference...
 
पश्चिमी उतर प्रदेश की सबसे बङी खापोँ मेँ शुमार बाल्याण खाप के चौधरी राकेश टिकैत ने कहा कि बागपत मेँ महिलाओँ पर पाबंदी का फैसला दो गाँवोँ की मुस्लिम पंचायत द्वारा शरियाई कानून के तहत लिया गया है और इसमेँ खाप शामिल नहीँ है क्योँकि मुसलमानोँ मेँ खाप नहीँ होती ।
Mr surinder ,
He is right and for your kind information he in not chouhary of balyan khap, Its his elder brother Naresh tikait. I am witness of that function when Mr naresh tikait announced as chief of balyan khap , yeh CH mahinder singh tikait ki 'tehravi' ka din tha.
 
Puneet Ji,

Thank you for rectifying me.

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dear,
Rakesh Tikat is not head of Baliyan khap , its head is Naresh Tikat his elder brother , Rakesh is spokesman of Bhartiya Kishan Union.
He express his own personal opinion, not the any organisations view point
 
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भाई सहारण ,ये आसरा गाँव वाली जो पंचायत हुई , वो कोई खाप-वाप की नहीं थी ,या ते उस गाम के चुने होड़ पंचायत के सदस्य थे ,इन् मीडिया आल्याँ ने दुनिया में किते भी चार बन्दे कट्ठे दीख जाँ, उड़े-ए खाप -खाप का रोला मचाण लाग्ज्याँ सें | मीडिया पूरी ढाल भामण-बानिये-भाप्यां के कब्जे में स अर ये हजारों साल की दुश्मनी जो सामी लड़ के कोणी लड़ सके इस मीडिया के माधम तें , बदनामी कर के ने काढअण की कोशिश करें सें ,जब ताहीं इनका जबाब आपणे खुद के मीडिया या फेर शिव सेना स्टाइल में ना दिया जावेगा ये कोणी माने | लातों के भूत बातों सें नहीं मानते |

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haan bhai..gaam ki panchayat ne 36 biradari ki hi panchayat kaha kare........maahre gaam main bhi jibbe koi panchayat ho to nu kah kare ek bhai 36 biradari ke log kathhe ho jaayio...matlab uss gaam ki saari biradri kathhi honi hai....ya khap panchayat koni thi............baaki khap panchayat oon bhi kam hi hoya karee..jibb gaam aale kisi maamle ne ni sulta paate..uste paache guhaand ke aadmi kathhe kare jaa..arr jo inte bhi baat chuma jaa..fer saari khape ne kathya kara jaa...jyokke rmhari khaap main 40 gaam sai....to khap ki panchayat to 1-2 hi hui mharre gaam main..baaki gaam ki arr guhaand ki panchayat hoti raha kare..baaki jaha tak mai dekha hai..ki gaam ki panchayat main 36 biradri ke log bulaye jaa hai..arr khaap ki panchayat jyadatar caste vishesh ki hoti hai..usme dosri biradri aale dakhal koni dete....sab biradri ke aapne aapne chaudhary hai..mhara nai 16 gaamo ke nai ka chaudhary hai....to jibbe kisi gaam main nai ka koi mamala fas jaa hai to usne bulaya jaa ussme...
 
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Regarding your comment in bold - Do you mean to say that only those Muslim Jats that have re-converted back to Hinduism are considered Jats?


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