Kiku Sharda Arrest

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Hello all,

Before starting the thread, I want to clear that i really don't have any intention to hurt baba Ramrahim ji Followers here, Just want to know what my people think about his Arrest, If actors and comedians got arrested every time they made fun of someone then there would be no space left in the jails. Remember the roast of Ranveer Singh and Arjun Kapoor by AIB? They also have been facing charges for offensive someone.
 
It is a pity that we live in a country of biased people. Mr. Kiku is a comedian and he has the job to make people laugh. It has been understood that he doesn't mean to hurt anybody's sentiments while commenting, doing mimicry, and performing on stage. His intention is to spread the laughter and make people happy after watching him.
 
Meanings of the some specific words like Intolerance, Secularism etc are being redefined in India. Oxford Dictionary is certainly going to loose its monopoly in near future.
 
amitbudhwar said:
Elections next year and year after will define everything. Can't wait to see further setback to fake nationalists and roque elements. Right wing has to weaken for a better and safe India.
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So you want to see the so called secular and a sophisticated nationalist party like: Congress in power again? You can bet on AK as well if not comfortable with Congress. How right wings are vulnerable to nation? Please throw some light on this. Who are true nationalist according to you if right wings are fake?
Nationalism has nothing to do with right of left wings. It lies in its citizens hearts.
 
ayushkadyan said:
So you want to see the so called secular and a sophisticated nationalist party like: Congress in power again? You can bet on AK as well if not comfortable with Congress. How right wings are vulnerable to nation? Please throw some light on this. Who are true nationalist according to you if right wings are fake?
Nationalism has nothing to do with right of left wings. It lies in its citizens hearts.
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First of all congrats on getting your people selected for Padma Awards. People here can also try. Never know they might also get some chut put awards for singing BJP songs for BJP or praising BJP govt.

On right wing radicals, yes these radicals are fake. They just incite sentiments of citizens to garner support. All 56 inch tummy people are definitely true nationalist and fight against our enemies. Chaddi gang is always looking for volunteers who could perform similar dramas. People here can try and join the bandwagon of "Peetu" nationalism.
 
Saint was a great personality as long as he was supporting so called Secular party since last 10 years or so.
 
amitbudhwar said:
First of all congrats on getting your people selected for Padma Awards. People here can also try. Never know they might also get some chut put awards for singing BJP songs for BJP or praising BJP govt.
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So, the people who were returning awards were their people and got those awards for singing songs or praising their party govt.
 
@Amit Budhwar: Kindly explain the definition of a Bhakt. More over it is suggested that you go through the complete list of padma awards of congress rule. Hope you will get answer of all your queries.
 
amitbudhwar said:
First of all congrats on getting your people selected for Padma Awards. People here can also try. Never know they might also get some chut put awards for singing BJP songs for BJP or praising BJP govt.

On right wing radicals, yes these radicals are fake. They just incite sentiments of citizens to garner support. All 56 inch tummy people are definitely true nationalist and fight against our enemies. Chaddi gang is always looking for volunteers who could perform similar dramas. People here can try and join the bandwagon of "Peetu" nationalism.
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Bro, Please talk sense. If you don't have any logic to defend your stand in this discussion, please accept it gracefully rather than dragging irrelevant issue.

This is a fact that Padma award distribution system is not transparent. Whenever Congress or BJP comes into power they acknowledge atleast 10-20% of their loyal supporter by awarding Padma titles. So nothing new.

Now comes to the Bhakt definition, according to you any person who supports Narendra Modi is called bhakt right?
Also a person who supports our so called pappu should be addressed as chela right?

Do you think it's logical? We may criticize people for their wrongdoing not for their political affiliations.

If I support Rahul doesn't mean people can call me pappu. Similarly if someone supports Modi, doesn't mean that person can be called as bhakt.

Comes to RSS..The so called chaddi gang. However, I never been associated with this organization. Being a logical man I don't feel they are harming the indian social system.

I also feel muslims of this country no need to give their loyalty certificate to RSS and alike allies.

I would say they are just hardliners who talk about hindutva everytime. Is it harmful to nation? I don't think so. This country runs by law and constitution not by Fatwa or Shariyat where a single word against prophet can take you to your final destination.

Still you feel right wings are threat to this nation, let's find a place outside India where we can live in our secular shell with our logical reasoning.
 
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amitbudhwar said:
Muslims are also citizens of India and they also own land in India. They are entitled to have whatever opinion they have on how they feel living in a country ruled by a political party. So stop publishing certificates on who is nationalist.

Sure talk about Hindutava but enforce it on Hindus only not on Muslims. Muslims have their own beliefs and their system. So let them enjoy what they like or they don't like. Its their prerogative to decide how they want to live. Radical Hindu organisations cannot define Muslims way of living. Rather mind their own business.
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सही सोच है भाई। अच्छा बीजेपी और आरएसएस के सत्ता में आने के बाद कितने मुस्लिमों को जबरन हिन्दू बना दिया गया? वो कौन से अधिकार है जो पिछली सरकार में मुस्लिमों को दिए गए थे लेकिन अब छीन लिए गए?

कितने मुस्लिमों को अपनी बात रखने की वज़ह से जेल में बंद कर दिया इस सरकार ने? लोगो को गुमराह करना बंद करो।

सारे तर्क आपके हिन्दुओ के लिए है। देश जनसँख्या के बोझ से दबा जा रहा है। लेकिन ये लोग अभी भी इस्लाम की दुहाई देकर इस पर लगाम लगाने के लिए तैयार नहीं। क्या ये देशभक्ति है। यही लोग यूरोप में बसने के लिए अपने हिज़ाब, बुर्के और टोपी तक उतार फेंकते है लेकिन यहाँ इस देश में अगर इन्हें गायों को न मारने के लिए बोला जाये तो असहिष्णुता लगने लगती है। जब इस देश के सविंधान से ऊपर इन्हें इस्लामी रिवाज़ के हिसाब से 4 शादियां, 3 बार तलाक़ कहकर औरतो की ज़िन्दगी ख़राब करने की आज़ादी है, उन्हें पर्दो में रखा जाता है वो भी इक्कसवीं सदी में। तब तुम्हारे जैसे लोगो के तर्क कहाँ चले जाते है।
अगर बात सेक्युलर होने की है तो इसका मतलब केवल धार्मिक आज़ादी ही नहीं बल्कि सभी धर्म के लोगो के लिए एक समान अधिकार होना भी है।

जब हर दूसरे दिन भारतीयो मुस्लिमों के आईएसआईएस में शामिल होने की ख़बर आती है तब भी आप जैसे देशभक्तो को खतरा महसूस नहीं होता। लेकिन गाय को लेकर आप जैसे लोग स्यापा मचाना शुरू कर देते हो।

जैसे एक वक़्त हिन्दु धर्म ब्राह्मणवाद में जकड़ा था। ठीक उसी तरह इस देश के मुस्लिम आज भी मुल्लो-मौलवियों और कठमुल्लाओ के चंगुल में है। आप जैसे तर्कशील लोग कभी इस बात पर बहस नहीं करते।

अफ़सोस कि बात है कि हिन्दू धर्म तो अपने पुनर्जागरण के दौर में है| ये धीरे -धीरे ब्राहम्णवाद से बाहर निकल रहा है पर वही इस्लाम कट्टपंथ की तरफ बढ़ रहा है|
हिंदुस्तानी तहज़ीब में कट्टरपंथ के लिए कोई ज़गह नहीं है| जो मौलवी बात बात पर फतवा देते है वो आतंकी मुस्लिमो के खिलाफ कितने फतवे दी चुके है कोई बताएगा| ये सेक्युलर लोग क्यों इस बात पर चुप्पी साध लेते है|

आप मानिए या ना मानिये लेकिन इस्लाम में बढ़ता कट्टरपंथ इस देश के लिए भी परेशानी का सबब बन सकता है|
मैं कोई मुस्लिम विरोधी नहीं न ही किसी भगवा संगठन का सदस्य| एक आम नागरिक की तरह मेरे भी मुस्लिम दोस्त है लेकिन मेरी इस बात का ज़वाब उनके पास भी नहीं कि क्यूँ मुस्लिम औरते आज भी बुर्को में कैद है क्यूँ उनकी ज़िन्दगी मर्दों के रहमोकरम पर है| क्यूँ आज भी वो बराबरी के हक के लिए लड़ रही है| क्यूँ ज्यादातर आतंकी मुस्लिम ही होते है| अगर इस्लाम अमन का पैगाम देता है तो क्यूँ इस मज़हब के मानने वालो ने पूरी दुनियो को दहशत में धकेला हुआ है?

अब कोई ये मत बोलना कि हमें इस्लाम से क्या लेना देना| हिन्दुओ की बात करो या जाटो की बात करो|

लेकिन मुझे करनी पड़ेगी| क्योंकि मेरे कई जाट भाई देश की सरहद पर हर साल इस इस्लामी दहशतगर्दी की वज़ह से कुर्बान हो जाते है| मैं सेकुलरिज्म का लबादा नहीं ओढ़ सकता| मुझे न तो राजनीति की फ़िक्र है न हिन्दू धर्म की| देश सबसे पहले है| जिसने मुझे पनाह दी| पहचान दी|

 
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lynching of a muslim man on the charge of eating beef, killing of truckers carrying cattle, killing of popular literary figure dabholkar by hindu extremists, killing of pansare, kalburgi.

making statements of ordering killing of cow killers by rss, killing a youth over cow in kashmir.
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हे गूगलपुत्र आपके इस्लाम प्रेम को देखकर कलेजा भर उठा| ऐसा प्रतीत होता है कि आपकी आँखों पर हरी पट्टी बंधी हुई है| तभी तो आपको कश्मीर के
हिन्दुओ को लेकर दिखाई गयी इस्लामी असहिष्णुता दिखाई नहीं देती| लेकिन एक कश्मीरी मुस्लिम की मौत याद है|
वाह रे देशभक्त!! वाह रे तर्कशास्त्री!!
you mentioned about muslims trying every bit to get visa of european countries. But what about hindus? How many hindus enter illegally into countries around the world including middle east. How many visa scams get reported about indians as a whole around the world. How stoop people could go to get a visa, just google about it and you will find easy answers. How many hindus go to middle east and muslim majority countries for work? How desperate they are to get a dubai visa? What happens to cow and meat issue when they enter into these countries. There is always a counter narrative, isn't it? Two wrongs don't make a right.
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अच्छा तो तुम्हारे हिसाब से तो सुन्दर पिचाई और सत्य नदेला जैसे लोग भी कंटेनर में बैठकर अमेरिका पहुँचे होंगे| और हिन्दू अपना धर्म बदल लेते है जब वो मिडिल ईस्ट जाते है?


now coming to beef eating question you have raised. Why don't muslims refrain from eating beef. Now a counter question can be raised by muslims as well.why pork is not completely banned in india? Why alcohol is not banned in india? Islam is practiced in india since muhammad's time. Muslims have lived in india for thousand of years. India is not just about hindus. India is a plural society. Muslims have lived in india for centuries. As i said in my earlier post, muslims also own the land in india. They are also citizens of india. They have their own customs and traditions.
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जैसा प्यार मुस्लिमो के लिए उमड़ रहा है वैसा इस देश के हिन्दुओ के लिए क्यों नहीं| मान लिया सारे मुस्लिम आतंकी नहीं लेकिन एक दो घटनाये क्या हुई पूरे भारत के हिन्दुओ को असहिष्णु कहना कहाँ की समझदारी है समझाओ जरा| अगर तुम्हारी तकरीरो को सच मान लिया जाये तो जितने आतंकी हमले हिन्दुस्तान ने मुस्लिम आतंकियों के झेले है उस हिसाब से तो उनका इस देश में रहने का भी हक नहीं है|

now coming to status and rights of women in muslim society, it is well known, researched topic. Lot of people and intellectuals are writing about this subject and doing their best to improve the situation. Worldwide it is well know and other societies are well aware of it and working hard towards it to improve women's rights. Indian judicial system also takes care of it to some extent if challenged properly. That said track record for women freedom in hindu society is not great either. Indian women also face discrimination in their day to day lives. A recent article published on new york times about couple of days ago might open your eyes about this tragedy and pain women going through in their day to day lives. The real story discussed in the article is not far from where you live. Please spare some time and read it:
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ये आर्टिकल पढने कि ज़रुरत उनको पड़ती है जो जमीन से कट चुके है| मुझे अच्छे से पता है जमीनी हकीकत क्या है| ये गूगल के आर्टिकल तुम्हे ही मुबारक| ये किस्से समाज की वजह से है ना कि हिन्दू धर्म के कारण|

कभी हिन्दू मैरिज एक्ट पढ़ा है? पढना समझ में आ जायेगा उनको क्या अधिकार मिले हुए समाज में|

islamic fundamentalism is well known and how it is growing and who is funding is also well known. There are already so many countries including india are fighting them. That does not mean, we will start painting all muslims with the same brush. Muslims in india have been much tolerant than their neighbor counterparts.

Hindus are well and truly in the grip of brahmanism and falling in trap of this politics. This is helping islamic fundamentalists to spread their wings into india as well. They will definitely exploit poor, and uneducated youth who will be the easy target for such organisations. They will use them against indian sovereignty.
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यहाँ कोई शरियत नहीं चलती| असहिष्णुता क्या होती है यह तसलीमा नसरीन और सलमान रश्दी से जाके पूछो| एक किताब कुरान में लिखी बातो को अल्लाह का फरमान मानकर दूसरे धर्म के लोगो को काफ़िर करार देना आपके मुहम्मद साहब ने सिखाया होगा|
कुरान या इस्लाम की खिलाफत करने पर मौत का फतवा जारी कर देना शायद इस्लाम सिखाता है|

अच्छा अफजल गुरु तो अंगूठा टेक बेरोजगार था ना ? फिर भी आतंकी बन गया|
 
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