Learn from Israel !!!!!!

[ambijat]

Your statement .....................

Sorry buddy it is time for me to trash the crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Source: http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/06/isis-post-pr-photos-they-took-with-john-mccain/]

Above is the photo of the Republican Presidential Candidate the US Senator John McCain with the ISIS/ISIL the murderers of Yazidis. Photos don't lie. So, the supporters of Israel can bask under glory of these pictures.....

Also ..........Learn from Israel!!!! .......... the art of Propaganda, http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/...rculating-syrian-videos-claiming-it-is-hamas/
take care, bbye!

 

[rkumar]

Sorry buddy it is time for me to trash the crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Source: http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/06/isis-post-pr-photos-they-took-with-john-mccain/]

Above is the photo of the Republican Presidential Candidate the US Senator John McCain with the ISIS/ISIL the murderers of Yazidis. Photos don't lie. So, the supporters of Israel can bask under glory of these pictures.....

Also ..........Learn from Israel!!!! .......... the art of Propaganda, http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/...rculating-syrian-videos-claiming-it-is-hamas/
take care, bbye!

What does this picture prove ? I can post 100s of pictures of Americans with Jihadis of all brands, including OBL. Everyone knows how Americans switch sides at the drop of hat. What Israeli conspiracy you see in this picture or rather meeting of McCain with Jihadis ? Any country will like to weaken her enemies and Israel is no different. More than Israel its Saudis who are funding the anti Asad forces in Syria.

RK^2

 

[agodara]

Bother youu have wrongly quoted me infect all were things were said by our dea .ram kumar sir alis rk sir.i think its a mistake thanks

 

[rsdalal]

Ambrish Bhai leave all these picture etc.
Tell us what Israel as country should do, with people who are ready to wipe out the country on the first chance they get.
As it is clear, Israelis have to win every time to survive and Hamas has to win only once to wipe out the state.

 

[ambijat]

Ambrish Bhai leave all these picture etc.
Tell us what Israel as country should do, with people who are ready to wipe out the country on the first chance they get.
As it is clear, Israelis have to win every time to survive and Hamas has to win only once to wipe out the state.

If you look into the whole conflict since post-WW2 then it should be clear to you that international actors have mediated into the conflict for long. But, Israel has failed to comply with international agreements reached every time. If Israel cannot listen to UN and all international agencies then what can you expect. Do international community wish to destory Israel. No.... then there has to be some accountability on their part towards these institutions. Israel cares for nothing.

Let me say again Arab world has backed the Palestenian state, but give one evidence where any of the Arab nations openly declared support for Hamas or Fatah. Even Egypt which is an Arab world had put embargo against Gaza. That is why Gazans were crushed by both Egypt and Israel. So, my only call here is that Israel is doing nothing virtuous. The Israel State only survives on the support of their Rabbis and today Israel is facing a generation divide where old Jewish people are still under the impression of Holocaust, but new generation of Jews are willing to co-exist with the Arab Israelis.

And, the two state theory may be questionable, but no question about basic freedoms of the Palestinians. Israel should not restrict them.

 

[ambijat]

What does this picture prove ? I can post 100s of pictures of Americans with Jihadis of all brands, including OBL. Everyone knows how Americans switch sides at the drop of hat. What Israeli conspiracy you see in this picture or rather meeting of McCain with Jihadis ? Any country will like to weaken her enemies and Israel is no different. More than Israel its Saudis who are funding the anti Asad forces in Syria.

RK^2

Come on gentleman! if you mean to distinguish US with Israel so far as Arab world is concerned then you are either ignorant or misguiding people here. Americans owe all their presence in Arab world to Israel...I dont have to prove it as a part of discussion here. Picture only proves the fact that there is no religious call as most of the posts in discussion have tried to make a case for it. And, you yourself have admitted to switching over sides. It is true the only Arab airspace over which Israel jets can fly over is Saudi Arabia. Then how this conflict corroborates something religious. This not about Muslims and Jews or anything that sort which this thread participants try to project.

Remove the gloss over eye, See how Israelis are opposing Operation Protective Edge http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184097#.U_A3ekQvBuY

 

[drrajpalsingh]

Come on gentleman! if you mean to distinguish US with Israel so far as Arab world is concerned then you are either ignorant or misguiding people here. Americans owe all their presence in Arab world to Israel...I dont have to prove it as a part of discussion here. Picture only proves the fact that there is no religious call as most of the posts in discussion have tried to make a case for it. And, you yourself have admitted to switching over sides. It is true the only Arab airspace over which Israel jets can fly over is Saudi Arabia. Then how this conflict corroborates something religious. This not about Muslims and Jews or anything that sort which this thread participants try to project.

Remove the gloss over eye, See how Israelis are opposing Operation Protective Edge http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184097#.U_A3ekQvBuY

Right. Both Israel and US are politically inextricably allied at international level !

 

[abhikrana]

What does this picture prove?

The US has always got a taste of its own medicine sooner or later, be it Afghanistan or Iraq. It trained and armed the Afghan resistance (inluding Osama) and Saddam to the teeth. And the same brutal force was used against its own civilians and servicemen.

It is the right of Israelis to defend their very survival while being surrounded by the stone-age barbaric bloodthirsty Arabs that I am supporting and I will keep supporting it. You go ahead and support those fundamentalist Arabs for whom bloodshed is a way of life - where infants are taught to handle a gun even before they learn to say Mom and Dad.

Sorry buddy it is time for me to trash the crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

View attachment 17189

Click to see enlarged

[Source: http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/06/isis-post-pr-photos-they-took-with-john-mccain/]

Above is the photo of the Republican Presidential Candidate the US Senator John McCain with the ISIS/ISIL the murderers of Yazidis. Photos don't lie. So, the supporters of Israel can bask under glory of these pictures.....

Also ..........Learn from Israel!!!! .......... the art of Propaganda, http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/...rculating-syrian-videos-claiming-it-is-hamas/
take care, bbye!

 

[abhikrana]

Which international agreement/convention to which Israel is a signatory has Israel not followed? Which UN resolution are you talking about? And even if there was a UN direction, pragmatism says that self-interest and survival of any nation comes before everything and anything else. No resolution or direction be it from the UN or any world body can take away from any nation its right to defend itself - no matter how hard people like you would like to portray it as a devil or satan.

Israel is and has been a responsible international citizen which has focused its energies on peaceful pursuits of science, technology, agriculture, arts & literature, etc. Maintaining a strong and robust army is a compulsion for Israel because of the hostile and barbaric Arabs sitting around ready to pounce on it. I only hope that good sense also prevails on this stone-age Arabs and they also channelize their energies in peaceful and progressive pursuits.

Again you are wrong in saying that there is a generational divide among the younger and older Israeli Jews in using force as an option to deal with the Arabs. Talks are never a solution when the other side has no principles and values, when the other side has no respect for peace and humanity. The Arab society will never reform - guns are and will always be a part of their culture and innocent lives across the world is the ammunition for those guns.

There is heavy funding by the Arab states of such terrorist organizations as Hamas, Fatah, Hezbollah, etc. They have massive support among the fundamentalist stone-age civilian population who harbour them in schools, hospitals, heavily populated neighbourhoods and hence, the civilian casualties.

Israel, which has supported India's stand on numerous occasions is a natural strategic ally of India and it is time India built further on the foundation of shared interests.

If you look into the whole conflict since post-WW2 then it should be clear to you that international actors have mediated into the conflict for long. But, Israel has failed to comply with international agreements reached every time. If Israel cannot listen to UN and all international agencies then what can you expect. Do international community wish to destory Israel. No.... then there has to be some accountability on their part towards these institutions. Israel cares for nothing.

Let me say again Arab world has backed the Palestenian state, but give one evidence where any of the Arab nations openly declared support for Hamas or Fatah. Even Egypt which is an Arab world had put embargo against Gaza. That is why Gazans were crushed by both Egypt and Israel. So, my only call here is that Israel is doing nothing virtuous. The Israel State only survives on the support of their Rabbis and today Israel is facing a generation divide where old Jewish people are still under the impression of Holocaust, but new generation of Jews are willing to co-exist with the Arab Israelis.

And, the two state theory may be questionable, but no question about basic freedoms of the Palestinians. Israel should not restrict them.

 

[abhikrana]

Factually incorrect. America does not owe its existence in the Arab world to Israel. America is an opportunist country whose actions are solely guided by its self-interest. They change their colour as per the need of the hour.

America maintains friendly relations with the ruling monarchs/rulers of many Arab nations on the foundation of oil diplomacy and in return gives them the assurance of military help in case of any threat to the regimes of those rulers. America does not need Israel to make friends in the Middle East - Highly incorrect statement by you when you say that it does.

Even India has good relations with America, but does that mean that India will be responsible for any wrongdoings of America because India has good relations with it. Highly illogical. Hence, the photograph pasted by you is totally irrelevant.

Yes, there is a religious colour as well to the Israel-Arab conflict. All the Arabs unite on religious lines against Israel. Unfortunately, Israel is winning a battle but losing a war because of numbers - Arab (including Palestine) population is fast increasing, but Israeli population is more or less stable. They rightly say - it all boils down to numbers, whether its elections or war.

Come on gentleman! if you mean to distinguish US with Israel so far as Arab world is concerned then you are either ignorant or misguiding people here. Americans owe all their presence in Arab world to Israel...I dont have to prove it as a part of discussion here. Picture only proves the fact that there is no religious call as most of the posts in discussion have tried to make a case for it. And, you yourself have admitted to switching over sides. It is true the only Arab airspace over which Israel jets can fly over is Saudi Arabia. Then how this conflict corroborates something religious. This not about Muslims and Jews or anything that sort which this thread participants try to project.

Remove the gloss over eye, See how Israelis are opposing Operation Protective Edge http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184097#.U_A3ekQvBuY

 

[ambijat]

Factually incorrect. America does not owe its existence in the Arab world to Israel.......

You guys are real fun to talk to. Let the newswire do the job.

1) http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/08/isis-israel-us-duplicity/

2) http://asheepnomore.net/2014/06/19/...-torture-mind-control-used-create-terrorists/

3) http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...se-ignored-all-those-warnings-about-isis.html

...but does that mean that India will be responsible for any wrongdoings of America because..

India will be responsible. India has already paid huge price for this friendship. What a pity you cannot see it.

 

[rsdalal]

If you do not answer the question asked, why you even quote me ?

If you look into the whole conflict since post-WW2 then it should be clear to you that international actors have mediated into the conflict for long. But, Israel has failed to comply with international agreements reached every time. If Israel cannot listen to UN and all international agencies then what can you expect. Do international community wish to destory Israel. No.... then there has to be some accountability on their part towards these institutions. Israel cares for nothing.

Let me say again Arab world has backed the Palestenian state, but give one evidence where any of the Arab nations openly declared support for Hamas or Fatah. Even Egypt which is an Arab world had put embargo against Gaza. That is why Gazans were crushed by both Egypt and Israel. So, my only call here is that Israel is doing nothing virtuous. The Israel State only survives on the support of their Rabbis and today Israel is facing a generation divide where old Jewish people are still under the impression of Holocaust, but new generation of Jews are willing to co-exist with the Arab Israelis.

And, the two state theory may be questionable, but no question about basic freedoms of the Palestinians. Israel should not restrict them.

 

[ambijat]

If you do not answer the question asked, why you even quote me ?

I thought I did in most candid terms in the same post you have quoted, let me repeat.

1) Stop the aggression against the Palestenian state, provide the Gazans all basic freedoms.
2) Respect the democratic governance of Palestinian state.
3) Stop grabbing the territories of the Palestine state.
4) Make preparations for reconciliation and for peaceful co-existence in future.
.....the last one is seemingly utopian but realisable.

 

[abhikrana]

Again a very illogical reference to the US.

Tomorrow if a goon or criminal gets a photograph clicked with you in a crowd, would you want us to raise finger at you also? Can Israel be held responsible for the acts of US and how are they relevant to this discussion?

The topic clear refers to Israel and Israel-Arab conflict. It seems you do not have much to say about it. That is exactly the reason you are trying to bring in US into the picture time and again.

You go ahead and support the savage Arabs for whom you have a soft corner.

You guys are real fun to talk to. Let the newswire do the job.

1) http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/08/isis-israel-us-duplicity/

2) http://asheepnomore.net/2014/06/19/...-torture-mind-control-used-create-terrorists/

3) http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...se-ignored-all-those-warnings-about-isis.html


India will be responsible. India has already paid huge price for this friendship. What a pity you cannot see it.

 

[abhikrana]

Please see my pointwise reply in blue colour font:

I thought I did in most candid terms in the same post you have quoted, let me repeat.

1) Stop the aggression against the Palestenian state, provide the Gazans all basic freedoms.

There is no aggression by Israel. All Israeli activities are aimed towards self-defense and self-preservation which is any country's right.
2) Respect the democratic governance of Palestinian state.
Democratic Governance is very much in the hands of the Palestinian state. The Palestinian state is in a state of war with itself with tug of war between the Fatah and Hamas groups. If not with Israel, the Palestinians fight amongst themselves. Violence is a way of life for them.

3) Stop grabbing the territories of the Palestine state.
No one has grabbed any territory. It is the Arab states which jointly attacked Israel and had to face a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel. In the process, Israel gained control of Gaza in an attempt to safeguard its long-term interests paramount to its very existence. However, except for foreign relations and defence, Palestine has full control over its own destiny. Unfortunately the Palestinians do not want to take the road to peace and progress, but to the destruction of Israel and in turn their own destruction.
4) Make preparations for reconciliation and for peaceful co-existence in future.
.....the last one is seemingly utopian but realisable.
Like India, numerous Israeli peace initiatives have backfired. Several Israeli ceasefires have provided enough time and space to the Palestinians to replenish, regroup and attack Israel and Israelis be it through kidnappings/killings, stockpiling and firing rockets, building and using huge tunnel networks against Israelis. Peace talks are meant to take place between Humans, not with savage bloodthirsty Arabs whose single point agenda is to wipe out its adversary.

 

[ambijat]

....Can Israel be held responsible for the acts of US and how are they relevant to this discussion?.............

I will not chase you in many holes, as you are getting ludicrous by putting me figuratively rather than to reason it out.

Well another one for you to satisfy you. US fund's to arsenals that Israel uses against the state of Palestine, need evidence, here it is http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/02/mideast-gaza-irondome-usa-idUSL2N0Q800M20140802

 

[ambijat]

Please see my pointwise reply in blue colour font:

Pack of fascinated things not a single iota of truth in what you say, nor you have a grain of knowledge about the history of conflict. Very poor show, dear! In fact, what makes you retort to that. They were the answers to the question raised. I thought you would frame your own arguments rather juxtapolating into them....hilarious.

savage bloodthirsty Arabs

And, for god sake spare these diatribe, only today or day before Mayawati used the term [Oppressor Jats] Read only here in one of the posts.

 

[abhikrana]

Instead of focussing on the topic, why beat around the bush.

Even if the US is funding the Israeli arsenal, how is relevant to the topic of the discussion or to the Israel-Arab conflict?? What is of importance is why are the Arabs hell bent on destroying Israel rather than giving peace a chance.

The Arabs have done the same to non-Arabs everywhere - be it Lebanon, the present day Northern Iraq (Yazidis) and of course Israel. The only point standing out is that Israel is actually a tough nut to crack for the savage Arabs because Israel knows how to defend itself. Arabs are very good in playing the role of both, the perpetrator and the victim and I am afraid, people like you in far off countries are buying and further peddling that flawed ideology.

I will not chase you in many holes, as you are getting ludicrous by putting me figuratively rather than to reason it out. Well another one for you to satisfy you.

US fund's to arsenals that Israel uses against the state of Palestine, need evidence, here it is http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/02/mideast-gaza-irondome-usa-idUSL2N0Q800M20140802

 

[abhikrana]

I was expecting a more meaningful reply to my points in reply (in blue).

Oh! now besides the US, you are bringing in Mayawati. Next I suppose is going to be Mullah Mulayam.

Pack of fascinated things not a single iota of truth in what you say, nor you have a grain of knowledge about the history of conflict. Very poor show, dear!


for god sake spare these diatribe, only today or day before Mayawati used the term [Oppressor Jats] Read only here in one of the posts.
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[ambijat]

I was expecting a more meaningful reply to my points in reply (in blue).

If you cannot control your diatribe then no point in arguing with you, using adjectives against peoples and do you think that I expect you to understand my points. Well then let me try, if you can.

1) Killing 2000 civilians unarmed is an act of self defence.....good even Israel won't hire you as its advocate.

2) You don't know about the electoral history of Palestine state...otherwise you wouldn't have stated "Democratic Governance is very much in the hands of the Palestinian state." You don't know that I can bet the kind of restrictions Israel has put on them.

3)Territories....Do you expect me to respond to that...you are kidding man.

4) You invoked me and now invoking India here.... at least we have not killed civilians on the other side, unarmed.

I am sure these are not going to get you as again I recall that you are fond of racist diatribe.

The way frantically the term Arab is being used without having any understanding of Arab world. Arabs are not only Muslims, they are Christians and Jews as well. They are not only Sunni but Shia as well. They are not a single bunch of people they are a pack of innumerous tribes. So singly bundling them into one identity for the convenience of diatribe is sheer lunacy.