Learn from Israel !!!!!!

[ambijat]

.....What is of importance is why are the Arabs hell bent on destroying Israel rather than giving peace a chance.The Arabs have done the same to non-Arabs everywhere - be it Lebanon, the present day Northern Iraq (Yazidis) and of course Israel.

Did you ever test this hypothesis with adequate reading, I am sure you havn't so no point in blaming me.

Have some degree of integrity...read this perhaps then you can close your abusing shop....http://news.yahoo.com/arab-league-denounces-crimes-against-humanity-against-yazidis-110733636.html

Also, let me inform you that Yazidis are considered as Arabs by their neighbours so, there is only religious angle to their persecution not an ethnic one. So, there is no Arab v/s non-Arab thing here, which you have mentioned.

 

[abhikrana]

Again my reply in blue:

If you cannot control your diatribe then no point in arguing with you, using adjectives against peoples and do you think that I expect you to understand my points. Well then let me try, if you can.

Well, that's your take and perception. Can't say much as I think I am not qualified to change people's perceptions. I have qualified my description of the Arabs with the term/s that best suit them - gun-culture, stoning, cutting of arms, eye for an eye, killing a person for blasphemy or adultery in public square. I regret it if it hurts your sentiments, but the fact remains.


1) Killing 2000 civilians unarmed is an act of self defence.....good even Israel won't hire you as its advocate.
Though you might be the Arabs' advocate, I would not like to be Israel's. Of course, I would like to see a strong and endurable partnership with Israel in areas of shared and common interest. Though unfortunate, numerous posts/replies above give you the reason for killing of so many civilians. If you still want to feign ignorance, please do so by all means. The Arabs are in the habit of cultivating guns in their fields and not crops.

2) You don't know about the electoral history of Palestine state...otherwise you wouldn't have stated "Democratic Governance is very much in the hands of the Palestinian state." You don't know that I can bet the kind of restrictions Israel has put on them.

Restrictions come with Israel's national interest and they are but natural in order to keep away the other savage and barbaric Arabs in joining the Palestinians in their holy war against Israel.

3)Territories....Do you expect me to respond to that...you are kidding man.

Yes, I would have expected you to reply if you had anything meaningful and worthwhile to reply.

4) You invoked me and now invoking India here.... at least we have not killed civilians on the other side, unarmed.

Pakistan accuses Indians of killing so-called innocent Kashmiris in J&K and indulging in genocide. It is all propaganda to cover up one's own wrongs. Pakistan has done and so is Palestine and the Arab world. They are champions in playing both the perpetrator and the victim. You believe in their stories, do so at your own peril.

And I thought you were acting racist when you disparagingly used the term Zionist state.

I am sure these are not going to get you as again I recall that you are fond of racist diatribe.

 

[abhikrana]

I guess no one has read as much as you have and you are boastful of it. I have not blamed you for anything. You have your viewpoint and rightfully so. It's just that I totally disagree with it.

I thought it was a discussion limited to the topic, but you have brought in the question of integrity of fellow members, which I think is unfortunate. But at the same time, it does happen when a particular member has nothing much or meaningful to contribute on the topic.

Of course yes, I am using Arabs as a generic term to people who identify with the Palestinians and the ISIS. I thought you had got my message clear, so I believed there was no point on your part in nitpicking on non-issues. Though I clearly see the pain and anguish that you feel when somebody does not agree to your viewpoint. It starts oozing out when you start questioning integrity and using terms as ludicrous, lunacy, etc for fellow members.

Did you ever test this hypothesis with adequate reading, I am sure you havn't so no point in blaming me.

Have some degree of integrity...read this perhaps then you can close your abusing shop....http://news.yahoo.com/arab-league-denounces-crimes-against-humanity-against-yazidis-110733636.html

Also, let me inform you that Yazidis are considered as Arabs by their neighbours so, there is only religious angle to their persecution not an ethnic one. So, there is no Arab v/s non-Arab thing here, which you have mentioned.

 

[ambijat]

Again my reply in blue:

Pathetic replies!

It applies more to you about your perception on Arabs, so I concur with you on your first point....haha

The Arabs are in the habit of cultivating guns in their fields and not crops.

Kindly, share with me one photo of that kind if you have. I don't know what to say .... a saddist phobic state of mind... perhaps.

Restrictions come with Israel's national interest...............Territories

Again you don't know even the origins of the state of Israel and its geographical change of boundaries..... now I can see.

used the term Zionist state

best example of ignorance. It is not me...It is the Israel which states itself as a Zionist state. They have positive connotation of Zionism.....that was the best part of the whole joke....good keep it up.

Pakistan accuses Indians of killing so-called innocent Kashmiris in J&K and indulging in genocide. It is all propaganda

Again what is your point when I already said that we have not been party to murder of innocent civilians.

 

[ambijat]

....no point on your part in nitpicking on non-issues....

You call it nit-picking when you are giving sweeping statements about the peoples and then you want to be excused. What a sense of integrity again. Look for yourself at least if you are not capable of judging before putting the words like these below, see!!!

I have qualified my description of the Arabs with the term/s that best suit them - gun-culture, stoning, cutting of arms, eye for an eye, killing a person for blasphemy or adultery in public square. I regret it if it hurts your sentiments, but the fact remains.

And, you call it nit-picking....and just as you said

I thought it was a discussion limited to the topic

Was this topic about the launching of tirade against the Arab world and its peoples across the board, without being mindful of the whole situation. I think you have abused your freedoms.

I am using Arabs as a generic term to people who identify with the Palestinians and the ISIS

What a choice of being generic in usage....wah wah....heights of convenience. There is nothing in common so far as Palestinians and ISIS are concerned so far as their political oreintations are concerned.

 

[abhikrana]

Again my reply in blue:

Pathetic replies!

It applies more to you about your perception on Arabs, so I concur with you on your first point....haha Good at least you concur with others on something. Yes my perception of Arabs is what I have mentioned and I stand by it. But you are buying and further peddling the propaganda of the Arabs and their sympathizers. Unfortunately in your case, your perception is based on that propaganda.

Kindly, share with me one photo of that kind if you have. I don't know what to say .... a saddist phobic state of mind... perhaps. Unlike you, I am not in the business of copying and pasting photos and links. Even I concur, you have a phobic mind towards the Israelis who are just defending themselves against the savage and barbaric Arabs.



Again you don't know even the geography now I can see. I didn't know that you held a Ph.D. in both, Geography and History.

best example of ignorance. It is not me...It is the Israel which states itself as a Zionist state. They have positive connotation of Zionism.....that was the best part of the whole joke....good keep it up. It was a Zionist movement which was the basis of the establishment of the state of Israel. This term is not much prevalent any longer. Even positive things can be mentioned in a disparaging manner like you have done so in your past replies. If you find it a joke, I am happy that at least something cheered you up and gave you respite from your Israel bashing.

Again what is your point when I already said that we have not been party to murder of innocent civilians. That is what you say, not Pakistan. Pakistan like Palestine and the other Arabs are using a propaganda machine to play the role of a victim. And the irony is that people like you buy that propaganda and further help in their own little ways in spreading that propaganda further

 

[rkumar]

Originally Posted by rkumar
Maharaja Ranjit Singh went all the way to Iran and brought back the Kohinoor. India should adopt Maharaja Ranjit Singh's defense policy as it national doctrine.

Wrong information of history.

The Afghan king Shah Shuja took refuge in the court of Ranjit Singh at Lahore and after a long intrigue the latter was able to wrest Kohinoor from Shah Shuja in lieu of protection.

Thanks. Accept my ignorance of this event of history.

RK^2

 

[rkumar]

..................... They are a terrorist organisation. But, no body expects Israel to behave like a terrorist state. ..................

How do you think Israel should deal with a terrorist organization like "Hamas" ? I am sure you must be having an effective strategy to guide Israel.

RK^2

 

[abhikrana]

Replies in blue:

You call it nit-picking when you are giving sweeping statements about the peoples and then you want to be excused. What a sense of integrity again. Look for yourself at least if you are not capable of judging before putting the words like these below, see!!!

It is a sweeping statement which is relevant. Arab culture as we all know is violent. What explains all the violence in almost every other Arab country? At least my sweeping statements are based on ground reality and not propaganda. And by the way, I thought that you had made sweeping statements against Israel without going into the reasons behind civilian casualties as mentioned in numerous previous posts. But I guess you conveniently ignored it because it did not suit your line of thought.



And, you call it nit-picking....and just as you said



Was this topic about the launching of tirade against the Arab world and its peoples across the board, without being mindful of the whole situation. I think you have abused your freedoms. Calling a spade a spade is not a crime. It might be in your courtroom, but not otherwise. So I would again call the Arabs what they are - barbaric, savage beasts. I think you are not the provider or the guarantor of my freedoms, so I think you should not worry about it. You hold the Arab cause of destroying Israel close to your chest.

What a choice of being generic in usage....wah wah....heights of convenience As long as you got the message, which I am sure you did. But then you are trying to drag in non-issues like US, Mayawati. And when even after doing that you were not getting any further in your arguments, you started making personal remarks against fellow members.
W

 

[ambijat]

......but you have brought in the question of integrity of fellow members, which I think is unfortunate.....

There is nothing unfortunate about it. If there is something unfortunate is that you are questioning the basic facts about the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict, see for yourself...

Which international agreement/convention to which Israel is a signatory has Israel not followed? Which UN resolution are you talking about?

Now if you want me to post all the list of conventions and UN resolutions then isn't it that you are taking a bit unfair advantage over me.

 

[abhikrana]

RK ji,

In this marathon, back and forth discussion that I have had with our friend here, the solution that comes out from him is that Israel should give up arms, open its borders, stop defending itself and let the Arabs decide its fate.

After all, according to him the Arabs hold a high moral ground.

How do you think Israel should deal with a terrorist organization like "Hamas" ? I am sure you must be having an effective strategy to guide Israel.

RK^2

 

[abhikrana]

You can quote the major ones (UN Conventions/declarations/Agreements) at least which Israel has flouted or violated. I thought you knew your facts well before you wrote them.

There is nothing unfortunate about it. If there is something unfortunate is that you are questioning the basic facts about the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict, see for yourself...



Now if you want me to post all the list of conventions and UN resolutions then isn't it that you are taking a bit unfair advantage over me.

 

[ambijat]

Again my reply in blue:

If can write your own sentences then what is the point in intrapolating into my sentences and the quoting just to misguide the readers. Not only unethical but sounds illogical. After all I use quote whenever I have to say. This is funny, escapist thing.

 

[ambijat]

Replies in blue:

Arab culture as we all know is violent.

Again same sickness of mind.

I thought that you had made sweeping statements against Israel

I challenge you to quote one and I will leave this post.

 

[ambijat]

RK ji,

In this marathon, back and forth discussion that I have had with our friend here, the solution that comes out from him is that Israel should give up arms, open its borders, stop defending itself and let the Arabs decide its fate.

After all, according to him the Arabs hold a high moral ground.

Pathetic case where you want to idealise a situation to look for a solution. What a joke!

 

[rkumar]

....................there are better things to learn from Israel at least not this. Those who claim to know the Jews like the back of their hand. Let me tell you that Microsoft Windows is a gift of the Jews to computing world so is the USB pendrive. Their genetically engineered tomatos can grow in saltest of the water. Learn from them to rear not to annihilate. .................
................................

best,
Ambrish

Agreed. Not only this Jew scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer was the lead scientist in designing the Atomic Bomb. Not to forget another great Jew Scientists Einstein who laid down the theoretical foundations of Atomic Bomb. Jews have given so much to the world. Don't they deserve to live in peace ? Can't we learn from their self defense ?

RK^2

 

[abhikrana]

So far in the dozens of your replies, I have not found a meaningful argument or point. Just finger-pointing and personal attacks.

While reading your initial posts, I had great expectations from you in terms of a meaningful and healthy dialogue. But you brought up nothing more than non-issues like the US or Mayawati or personal remarks directed towards me. Well, I am not surprised. You are not the first or last to do it. Many others excel in what you are doing. That's the easiest escape route when you do not have anything worthwhile to contribute.

If can write your own sentences then what is the point in intrapolating into my sentences and the quoting just to misguide the readers. Not only unethical but sounds illogical. After all I use quote whenever I have to say. This is funny, escapist thing.

 

[abhikrana]

Again my replies in blue:

Again same sickness of mind.

I did not know that you were the Russell Crowe from the movie 'A beautiful Mind'. I should have realized beforehand that I did not stand any chance against you in your display of your beautiful mind.



I challenge you to quote one and I will leave this post. Almost all directly or indirectly

 

[rkumar]

................... In fact, Islam has the distinction of leading masses against their rulers whenever there is lack of social equity against the monarchs.................!

Will you please authenticate your above observation by quoting examples from the Islamic history of India and rest of the world. Hope you won't start from 1979 Iranian revolution.

RK^2

 

[ambijat]

You can quote the major ones (UN Conventions/declarations/Agreements) at least which Israel has flouted or violated. I thought you knew your facts well before you wrote them.

I am everytime with my facts be it through urls or other, but you can hardly get to understand them. Well take then..

After the First Intifada (which I am sure you do not know what it is) there was Oslo Peace Accord, 1993. It was aimed at establishing the Palestine Authority (PA) in line with the United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 and 338 and, the right to self determination.

After the Second Intifada (which I am sure you do not know what it is) there was Agreement on Movement and Acess, 2005. And, the settlements which the Israeli troops had occupied were to be returned, but that did not happen and Israel kep on grabbing the Palestine territories.