And all this while I thought I was discussing with a grown up person little realizing that it was a school kid who would cry foul when he would start losing a debate.
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Learn from Israel !!!!!!
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I am everytime with my facts be it through urls or other, but you can hardly get to understand them. Well take then..
After the First Intifada (which I am sure you do not know what it is) there was Oslo Peace Accord, 1993. It was aimed at establishing the Palestine Authority (PA) in line with the United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 and 338 and, the right to self determination.
Palestine Authority is very much a reality. Please check /google up!!!!
After the Second Intifada (which I am sure you do not know what it is) there was Agreement on Movement and Acess, 2005. And, the settlements which the Israeli troops had occupied were to be returned, but that did not happen and Israel kep on grabbing the Palestine territories.
Returning of territories is a gradual process and it has happened and is happening in phases. Again check/google up to correct your facts/perception.
Any actual violation besides the above two false allegations.
................ Americans owe all their presence in Arab world to Israel........................................]
Americans are almost in all parts of world and not just in middle east. Do you think they owe their presence everywhere to someone local ? You may think so, not me at least. For Americans their self interest is supreme and Israel is also par of that.
RK^2
Will you please authenticate your above observation by quoting examples from the Islamic history of India and rest of the world. Hope you won't start from 1979 Iranian revolution.
RK^2
Sure, sounds like I am on a testimony..haha
If you want to go to the earliest times then first recognized revolt was in second half of eighth century led by Abu Muslim in Khorasan where the popular uprising led to the uprooting of the Ummayyads. The Abbasids then took the opportunity and came they too faced the wrath on the account of high taxation of the Dehkans in Iran and north Afghanistan. They are all religious revolts where common people were against the emperors.....coming all down the way to Afghanistan, when king Amanullah Khan had to rush for his life to India when Mullah I lang raised the revolt along with Pashtun tribes.... I can give you a plenty that happened in between against numerous Turkish rulers, but that is not the scope of the debate here.
........... Do you think they owe their presence everywhere to someone local ? RK^2
I don't know if you have the information about Mitzpe Ramon. It is one of the most important US bases in Southern Israel from where large USCENTCOM facilties draw resources. And, Israel has provides all logistics to USCENTCOM bases in its territories. Nothing more on that.
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I don't know if you understand what I write. Just go and read about them. Oslo Accord was not about PA, it was about right to self-determination and what do you know about returning of territories.....you are good at humour man.
It gives me a burst of laughter... Did Netanyahu confide in you how to go about it....Please do share it with us I shall tell all the 'Arabs'- your generic class....hahahaand is happening in phases
And all this while I thought I was discussing with a grown up person little realizing that it was a school kid who would cry foul when he would start losing a debate.
I have a suggestion for you. Don't ever think of engaging a school kid into debate, because he would keep mum as a good rant is no substitution for actual knowledge of history.
I don't know if you have the information about Mitzpe Ramon. It is one of the most important US bases in Southern Israel from where large USCENTCOM facilties draw resources. And, Israel has provides all logistics to USCENTCOM bases in its territories. Nothing more on that.
What is so exclusive about this ? Americans have vases in other Arab countries also. They had bases in Iran also till 1979 and in Pakistan. There are 100s of places in world where Americans have bases.
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What is so excusive about this ? Americans have vases in other Arab countries also. They had bases in Iran also till 1979 and in Pakistan. There are 100s of places in world where Americans have bases.
RK^2
Well only you asked me to give instance of how the US owes to Israel. And, here is from where the US-CENTCOM operates this is no simple thing as to have a base. I am sure you have the knowledge about all the four US Commands. The Arab world falls under this.
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I don't know if you understand what I write. Just go and read about them. Oslo Accord was not about PA, it was about right to self-determination and what do you know about returning of territories.....you are good at humour man.
At least you find me good at something. My good fortune! At least my humour has let you relax your strained nerves. They have a right of self-determination. They elect their own govt. and it is very much in their hands to decide whether they want to take their country towards peace and prosperity or towards violence.
It gives me a burst of laughter... Did Netanyahu confide in you how to go about it....Please do share it with us I shall tell all the 'Arabs'- your generic class....hahaha
Yes, Netanyahu confided in me. Didn't I mention it earlier? Or perhaps you missed reading the newspapers. Or I guess you were not born then. A lot of the occupied territory has been returned. Even Gaza is not occupied. Palestinians have their own elected govt. there which chooses to indulge in violence rather than peace.
You did not read it completely. A school kid would evidently consider meaningful talk as rant. He would only understand and comprehend nursery rhymes - Arabs are the victims, Israelis are the devil/satan.
I have a suggestion for you. Don't ever think of engaging a school kid into debate, because he would keep mum as a good rant is no substitution for actual knowledge of history.
Sure, sounds like I am on a testimony..haha
If you want to go to the earliest times then first recognized revolt was in second half of eighth century led by Abu Muslim in Khorasan where the popular uprising led to the uprooting of the Ummayyads. The Abbasids then took the opportunity and came they too faced the wrath on the account of high taxation of the Dehkans in Iran and north Afghanistan. They are all religious revolts where common people were against the emperors.....coming all down the way to Afghanistan, when king Amanullah Khan had to rush for his life to India when Mullah I lang raised the revolt along with Pashtun tribes.... I can give you a plenty that happened in between against numerous Turkish rulers, but that is not the scope of the debate here.
I must admit, I have not read the history of that region and period in details. However, in trying to respond to your post I tried to educate myself and found this piece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Revolution). As per this article Umayyads were a feudal Arab empire ruling over a population which was overwhelmingly non-Arab as well as primarily non-Muslim. It was the non Arab and non Muslim population which arose against Umayyads. Where is the revolution by Muslims you originally referred in your post ? Educate me, I am trying to learn.
RK^2
How is it relevant to the discussion?
US has a base in Kazakhstan. So???? Israel???
US has a base in Kazakhstan. So???? Israel???
Well only you asked me to give instance of how the US owes to Israel. And, here is from where the US-CENTCOM operates this is no simple thing as to have a base. I am sure you have the knowledge about all the four US Commands. The Arab world falls under this.
Well only you asked me to give instance of how the US owes to Israel. And, here is from where the US-CENTCOM operates this is no simple thing as to have a base. I am sure you have the knowledge about all the four US Commands. The Arab world falls under this.
I have read a lot about American presence world Over. Agenda of Americans is much larger than Israel or for that matter any other country. Israel is just one "Mohra" of their chess game. Israel knows it very wekll and exploits it to her advantage.
RK^2
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Sorry to cut you short, No they do not have it.They have a right of self-determination.
Even Gaza is not occupied.
I mean you are not living upto your minimalist reputation of being able to give a good rant. See for your self.
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Can you see the loss of territories, and look how big Gaza was orginally. Whow...what a blind eye.
can s mttter booken into 2 then you have answer by tomarrowAgreed. Not only this Jew scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer was the lead scientist in designing the Atomic Bomb. Not to forget another great Jew Scientists Einstein who laid down the theoretical foundations of Atomic Bomb. Jews have given so much to the world. Don't they deserve to live in peace ? Can't we learn from their self defense
RK^2
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I have read a lot about American presence world Over. Agenda of Americans is much larger than Israel or for that matter any other country. Israel is just one "Mohra" of their chess game. Israel knows it very wekll and exploits it to her advantage.
RK^2
"Mohra" it would be a mistake to call Israel one.... In any case the point is to score the fact that US-Israel are hand in glove in most of the Middle East crises and there is a well established history of that.
can s mttter booken into 2 then you have answer by tomarrow
tauji
Even Karl Marx was a Jew ... Haha= don't miss him too. Sir!
My reply in blue:
Sorry to cut you short, No they do not have it.
If having your own elected govt. and the right to run your country is not self-determination, what is? Is right to destroy Israel self-determination? I think you are trying to reinvent the definition of self-determination here.
I mean you are not living upto your minimalist reputation of being able to give a good rant. See for your self. Thanks for worrying about my reputation than your own. No worries, I come across many members on this site, who like to get personal when they have nothing much to discuss on the topic. I am used to it by now.
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Can you see the loss of territories, and look how big Gaza was orginally. Whow...what a blind eye.
I did not know that you had an eye in the sky - your very own satellite which has clicked this photograph for you and which you have posted here. Good sketch!
Sorry to cut you short, No they do not have it.
I mean you are not living upto your minimalist reputation of being able to give a good rant. See for your self.
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Can you see the loss of territories, and look how big Gaza was orginally. Whow...what a blind eye.
It might be worthwhile to explain the history behind these maps and how this shape came into being after 1967 war. Mention of the 1948 Israel Arab war will also help in connecting the dots. Versions of both sides need to be put to understand the present ground reality. Cut off date of 1946 does not explain the history behind Israel conflict. How about a map when Jews were kicked out of holy land ?
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