Low female to male ratio... a concern

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neels said:
A movie "Matribhoomi" was based on this very issue.. what will happen when their wont be any girls. THou' the movie was very crude and repulsive but the theme was of genuine concern. It was about a village, where not a single female is left. After seeing the movie, I was forced to think whether the situation will be of Importance for the girls... OR it ll make their condition more vulnerable !!!
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Right Neelam! I had seen the movie sometime back on a friend's recommendation and I was left with the similar feelings you mentioned.

Though it was quite an extrapolation and overstretched imagination but may be a possibility in future if we dont realise the ugliness of the issue now.

And as regards to "whether the situation will be of Importance for the girls... OR it ll make their condition more vulnerable ", my take would be its gonna make it more vulnerable coz how much we shout of gender equality, their voice is gonna be suppressed (as in the past) in the male dominated surroundings.
 
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Resp Neelam ji

I have seen the movie and really most of us should see so that we can imagine abit of the world without women. It may sensitise us to some extent on gender.

R.S.Dahiya
 
Dear all,

I think you don't have faith on God.We canot do any thing.( Til ghate na rai badhe jo likh de kartar ). We are moving as per direction of super power .


Thanks,
Bajrang
 
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Dear all,

I think you don't have faith on God.We canot do any thing.( Til ghate na rai badhe jo likh de kartar ). We are moving as per direction of super power .


Thanks,
Bajrang

Resp Bajrang ji

jai ooper Aala pet mai maran kee kahvai sai tai Aapan konya mandey ooska Hookam

R.S.Dahiya
 
Worrisome Sex Ratio Among Jats 550 Females Per 1000 Males

I would very much agree that the female:male ratio is alarmingly bad in Haryana and Western UP, so much so that eligible bachelors have to purchase brides for themselves from Assam, Bihar and even states like Kerala. Every now and then there are articles coming in the newspapers about jat men purchasing brides for themselves from other states. It is not only a problem of epidemic proportions for us to tackle for the benefit of the community but is also bringing bad name to the community as a whole.

Most of us are proud of our race, but the thought provoking question that comes to mind is with so much of inter-racial marriages taking place because of jat boys unable to find brides for themselves from within the community, would we still be able to consider ourselves a superior race. Or with so much of inter-mingling would we at all be able to call ourselves a race. It is a pity that even the educated lot among the jats prefer to have baby boys with no girl child at all.

It is high time that this issue is taken seriously by our community or in no time our community would be just read about in history books if at all. The onus lies on the educated and urban community members to first of all change their own outlook towards girl child and then change the mindset of their village cousins.

You can share your thoughts with me on this burning issue on 9810911874

Regards,

Sunil Kadian
 
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Dear Sunil

most of the points you have raised are very valid.You have put that there are 550 females on 1000 males in Jats. Will you please put up the referance also.

R.S.Dahiya
 
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dahiyars said:
Dear Sunil

most of the points you have raised are very valid.You have put that there are 550 females on 1000 males in Jats. Will you please put up the referance also.

R.S.Dahiya
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Dear Ranbir,

We all know the seriousness of and repercussions associated with the problem of low female to male sex ration. We either know this through our first hand experience in terms of the number of girl children in our joint families or friend circle or through news items in the print and the electronic media. The sad point is it is more prevalent in Haryana, Punjab and Western U.P. than anywhere else in the country which reflects badly on the culture or mindset of the people of these areas. There is nothing wrong in wanting a baby boy, but at the same time what is disdainful is the act of aborting the female child after conceiving. There have been so many instances reported wherein remains of female foetuses have been either found in some unused well or buried in the backyard of some nursing home being run by some unscrupulous medical practitioner.

As far as the figure of 550 females per 1000 males is concerned, I have borrowed the same from the comments posted by one of our esteemed fellow members, Mr. Vikas Chaudhary who is working on a UNICEF project on Neonatal problems. This figure might not be exact in terms of statistics, however I am sure we would agree that with the way things are shaping up around us, in the above mentioned geographical belt the picture would not be very different from that presented by the above mentioned figures/ratio.

It is high time this problem needs to be addressed at least within our community. The only solution that I see to solve this problem lies in bringing about a change in the mindset of our people. It is forums like this esteemed website which would I am sure play a vital role in bringing about this change or at least introduce a serious debate or the process of introspection within the community. It is easier said than done though at the same not impossible.

Regards.

Sunil
 
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dear all ,
as quoted by many members from different sources declining sex ratio in haryana is of concern.this phenomenon is known to have occurred in period cycle of 50 to 60 years i have no published evidence for it but am only quoting from anecdotes.haryanavi society has used this system of buying brides earlier also but women involved were only from Rajasthan and UP ,but with better connectivity now people get brides from all over the country.but the society has never really tried to provide equal status to women which would probably take care of selective fetal killing in long run.even politician have very diplomatically stayed away from the issue,consider the issue of reservation in legislature.Jats have also been leading opposition against property inheritance to women.as many of the members have stated the problem might with the mindset. providing quality education with special impetus on female literacy and employment, including quota system could be of some help.Tamilnadu has a system where a certain amount of money is put into bank in the girl child's account which would become around a lakh by 18 years of age,similar system might work out in Haryana also.
thanks for sparing your valuable time...
 
As posted by learned members of the forum this is indeed a serious issue. But the real trouble is how far and to what scale is it going to escalate?? The situation will never improve if drastic steps are not taken at grassroot levels including changing mindsets, and when I say changing, I mean a complete U-tur in how we percieve a girl-child and what are our expectations from her. It is more a battle of traditional beliefs v/s contemporary reality where we have to give equal rights and responsibilities to the girl child. The task is huge and may take several years to accomplish.
But in the same vein I do not agree with respected Kadian Sir wherein he said that we will not be a race at all if we married out of the community. My point is maybe we should be thankful to the out-of-community women to help continue the race in first place and secondly, who knows we may end up being a better race with all the diversity(Darwin's Theory) thrown in.

Monica
 
To destroy the menace of female feticide, we need to acknowledge the reasons why parents do that. the main reasons behind female feticide should be:
1) dowry, as parents avoid daughters, as they are afraid of dowry.
2) Women illiteracy, as someone above pointed out that "nari hi nari ki dushman hai"
this will make females more responsible and independent.
3) The general feeling that Boys are helping hands n will become there support system in there older age.
Permissible age for marriage should be raised for females to 21, to regain equality and encourage literacy. Let them learn and earn there own way.
And more open society, recently my nanaji whos from farmana, meham was visiting us and he saw me n my female friend talking in our porch. when i came back he said that,"Agar tum donu gaam mein honde, to log tumne jelliya(marne ka device!) gell batla(jukar gobar ne batla karya kare :D) kar dende...." and i was like...:eek:.
So the moral of story is to create more open society.
(making my mom under understand that its okey to marry baniya girl will also help problem....atleast litle :p)
 
What are the reasons for that

Oh kaafi din baad dekha ye to ......... Problem ye hai ki hum sab log bolte bahut hain ... or jitna bolte hain uska 10% bhi nahi kerte hain ... saare politician ho gaye hain ... khair sab responcibilites main dabe baithe hain ... Job, ghar, Loans, Shopping, etc etc etc.... lekin ye sab to aap apne ghar se suru ker sakte hain koi mushil kaam nahi hai ..... bas kuch baton pe jubaan kholna seekh lo ...

So this is the problem that females are less than male weather its 550 or 850 ..... here i was working on city planning in Tamil Nadu. i was handling 11 cities.

Now interesting fact is that out of 11 municipalities 8 has female more than male.

but in Rajasthan, Haryana, Punjab, UP in each of the city and even in village the Female ratio is very low....

Who is the responsible is it male or female of our society ..... how we can improve the situation .... Can't female take lath in there hand in this matter .... Its very easy to put everything on the society that its bad society ... per society main to aap log bhi hain na ..... or kuch maamlon main to step le hi sakte hain
 
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education is must for women

women should be encouraged to have good education so that they can contribute in removing social taboos .
 
i never felt any duality in mind discussing any thread as much as i feel seeing this thread.

i think this male/female ratio rift is too hyped. my empirical knowledge says that it doesn't affect anything...despite lower no. of females, they are not getting any great.

secondly, as most people say that educating women is a solution to most evils against them, my observation says that (in context of jat community) that educating a girl BA/BSc/BComm/JBT/BEd is OK...parents can marry them off...but if the girl is really educated, i mean from some good inst. or some really utilitarian course like engr. doc etc. it really becomes a bane for girl herself, because there are very, very few guys for them in jat community...no good matches...irony...and if they are strong, there will be no takers...then incompetency of boys becomes another problem.

intricate situation. alas


education also sometimes proves a negative for such gals then...

stop hyping this male/female ratio...i don't see any real life repercussions of it...so far i havn't seen anybody marrying off their guys in punjab/rajasthan etc...

there are more poignant issues to be tackled in jat community
 
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ss ji aap pata nahi kis jamane ki jat community ki batte kerte rehte ho
khabi eng. colleges me jaake dekho bahut jat ladke ladkiyan mil jayenge.or kissi ki shaddi me dikkat koni aati
dikkat aati hai sarif or +ve soch rakhne wali ladki dhundne me. jo ganni pad jaa hain unke paun darti pe na rehte










seemasindhu said:
i never felt any duality in mind discussing any thread as much as i feel seeing this thread.

i think this male/female ratio rift is too hyped. my empirical knowledge says that it doesn't affect anything...despite lower no. of females, they are not getting any great.

secondly, as most people say that educating women is a solution to most evils against them, my observation says that (in context of jat community) that educating a girl BA/BSc/BComm/JBT/BEd is OK...parents can marry them off...but if the girl is really educated, i mean from some good inst. or some really utilitarian course like engr. doc etc. it really becomes a bane for girl herself, because there are very, very few guys for them in jat community...no good matches...irony...and if they are strong, there will be no takers...then incompetency of boys becomes another problem.

intricate situation. alas


education also sometimes proves a negative for such gals then...

stop hyping this male/female ratio...i don't see any real life repercussions of it...so far i havn't seen anybody marrying off their guys in punjab/rajasthan etc...

there are more poignant issues to be tackled in jat community
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vivekdh said:
ss ji aap pata nahi kis jamane ki jat community ki batte kerte rehte ho
khabi eng. colleges me jaake dekho bahut jat ladke ladkiyan mil jayenge.or kissi ki shaddi me dikkat koni aati
dikkat aati hai sarif or +ve soch rakhne wali ladki dhundne me. jo ganni pad jaa hain unke paun darti pe na rehte
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bhai ek baat yaad agi...

Ek mera friend hai jo doctor hai uski shadi huwi ek mbbs karedi chori se...she used to hate saadi... jeans hi pehna karti thi.. ek baar dono ne gaam ne ana pada kisi shaadi maie to chorre ne bechare ne keha ki gaam chal rehe hai yeh saadi pehnlena jeans nai to adh kye khadi hogi aur boli nai.. aur suna di bechare ne.. ki kiti low thinking hai tum logo ki itna padhne ke baad bi...


if a grl is unable to find a suitable match in jat community itself then I wonder if she can have good match in other community.. bewade aur bawali-booch to bhale hi mil jya rational hone ki jageh..... aur bera na baa kye rassa hai yoo:)
 
vivekdh said:
ss ji aap pata nahi kis jamane ki jat community ki batte kerte rehte ho
khabi eng. colleges me jaake dekho bahut jat ladke ladkiyan mil jayenge.or kissi ki shaddi me dikkat koni aati
dikkat aati hai sarif or +ve soch rakhne wali ladki dhundne me. jo ganni pad jaa hain unke paun darti pe na rehte
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hahahaha:p:D:D:D:D:D;)
 
seemasindhu said:
i never felt any duality in mind discussing any thread as much as i feel seeing this thread.

i think this male/female ratio rift is too hyped. my empirical knowledge says that it doesn't affect anything...despite lower no. of females, they are not getting any great.

secondly, as most people say that educating women is a solution to most evils against them, my observation says that (in context of jat community) that educating a girl BA/BSc/BComm/JBT/BEd is OK...parents can marry them off...but if the girl is really educated, i mean from some good inst. or some really utilitarian course like engr. doc etc. it really becomes a bane for girl herself, because there are very, very few guys for them in jat community...no good matches...irony...and if they are strong, there will be no takers...then incompetency of boys becomes another problem. .... Seema ji i am really unable to understand ur posts. One way u say treat gal and boy exactly same then u say no good match for gals. Why no good match ??? Why do feel guys shud be more educated or having heavier earning than gal ??? If u want to treat them same then a gal can also earn more and can have bigger/better academic degrees. Gals want guys to be more qualified and then ask for equality. Whosoever thinks this way has a poor mentality and completely biased one.

intricate situation. alas


education also sometimes proves a negative for such gals then...

stop hyping this male/female ratio...i don't see any real life repercussions of it...so far i havn't seen anybody marrying off their guys in punjab/rajasthan etc...

there are more poignant issues to be tackled in jat community
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my question in blue:)
 
dkumars said:
my question in blue:)
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Well, a viable point but I also dont know exactly that why it is so that in match making its always implied that the would be groom has to have an extra edge as compared to the bride in many a respects. I feel that this is not totally irrelevant, but yes of course there must be some pertinent logic behind this general trend. But believe me, its not a question of poor mentality, its something else which needs an insight. Infact its a thoughtful practice. Elders please if anyone can come out with the inherent logic behind this frame of mind ?
 
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If we could have educated people all around then such concerns would no longer be concerns. The primary cause hiding deep somewhere is the uneducated and ignorant mind. I just feel so.

Thanks,
Sumit
 
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