Mahatma Gandhi

[sansanwalamit]

Shailendra, if you would notice that I said
"All I can say about being independent is that whenever I look at SO MANY of the "freedom fighters" starting from Nawab of Bengal to Nehru, I feel that they did not want independence all they wanted was power to shift from britishers hand to theirs and eventually this is what happened and India is still getting plundered today."...
thus so many cannot include everyone. And the names mentioned were to make it more obvious that who I think were not fighting for the independence but were just power hungry people.

 

[akdabas]

Here is a link which talks about Mahatma Gandhi from The Hindu newspaper.

http://www.thehindu.com/th125/gandhi.htm

 

[rohit]

want to say something

i am really sorry that i could not write anything on this topic so far.
usually i have noticed most of the negative things about gandhi is purely propaganda against him. and propaganda becomes even more believable when we read about gandhi. what he has done seems very different from our present day ideology and people simply refuse to believe that a human being is capable of doing these things. and some of his ideas had a very far reaching effects which people at that time could not comprehend. for example he talked about village economy which was opposed by nehru. now panchatiraj is doing the same thing.

yesterday i got a chain mail about nehru family which was forwarded which had some negative point about gandhi not saying anything about indras marriage to firoz gandhi in his autobiography. Interestingly when gandhi wrote his autobiography Indra was only 5-6 years old

People take gandhi as someone who preached non violence but for me he is a icon of unbreakable sprit who achieve greatness only though his strong will power and good intentions. he was an ordinary man who achieved greatness through his work. you and me can also do so...

rohit

 

[shailendra]

i am really sorry that i could not write anything on this topic so far.
usually i have noticed most of the negative things about gandhi is purely propaganda against him. and propaganda becomes even more believable when we read about gandhi. what he has done seems very different from our present day ideology and people simply refuse to believe that a human being is capable of doing these things. and some of his ideas had a very far reaching effects which people at that time could not comprehend. for example he talked about village economy which was opposed by nehru. now panchatiraj is doing the same thing.

yesterday i got a chain mail about nehru family which was forwarded which had some negative point about gandhi not saying anything about indras marriage to firoz gandhi in his autobiography. Interestingly when gandhi wrote his autobiography Indra was only 5-6 years old

People take gandhi as someone who preached non violence but for me he is a icon of unbreakable sprit who achieve greatness only though his strong will power and good intentions. he was an ordinary man who achieved greatness through his work. you and me can also do so...

rohit

What are the Nehru's cribbing about? isn't it the 'Mahatma' himself that put a disfunctional, European-molded, casanova Jawaharlal on the driving seat anways!?!...

ps. I sure hope Rohit that the next time someone slaps you hard and talks bad about you, your Country and your ideology, you can rise up to the occasion and give him the other cheek!!! Now here is the catch; You better hope there is another friend on your side that moves to defend you and take the agression the aggressor....cause believe me ONLY the combined treatment of your silent non-aggresive attitude with that of your friend's smouldering fury is gonna 'stop' that person from going ahead and slapping you hard on the other cheek too!!!

Point in context: Don't kid yourself if you think that one freedom fighter like a Gandhi did it by himself!

 

[anilkc]

my beleif is that it was not Gandhi Jis non-violence or this cheek that cheek that won the freedom. What got us the freedom was the collective action of the whole nation. Ppl were already fighting the british with guns and bombs, but only a small group was able to do so though they had silent support of many. what changed with Gandhi was that he showed a way where you can fight the british even if you dont have a gun or dont know how/want to use it. It was the idea of non-cooperation/boycott of anything british that led to britishers finally leaving. The other important thing that Gandhi did was organisation. He was able to mobilise and organise the movement very effectively.

 

[stokas]

i am really sorry that i could not write anything on this topic so far.
usually i have noticed most of the negative things about gandhi is purely propaganda against him. and propaganda becomes even more believable when we read about gandhi. what he has done seems very different from our present day ideology and people simply refuse to believe that a human being is capable of doing these things. and some of his ideas had a very far reaching effects which people at that time could not comprehend. for example he talked about village economy which was opposed by nehru. now panchatiraj is doing the same thing.

yesterday i got a chain mail about nehru family which was forwarded which had some negative point about gandhi not saying anything about indras marriage to firoz gandhi in his autobiography. Interestingly when gandhi wrote his autobiography Indra was only 5-6 years old

People take gandhi as someone who preached non violence but for me he is a icon of unbreakable sprit who achieve greatness only though his strong will power and good intentions. he was an ordinary man who achieved greatness through his work. you and me can also do so...

rohit

Dear Rohit,
Yuo are right.
Here are some points to consider:
-Gandhi Ji practiced LAW in 'those' days, but HE left his JOB for a cause.
-He wore KHADI, just to protest against the foreigners.
-When our country was partitioning, HE was in Bengal, to woo an ordinary citizen, not to do 'this'.
-HE 'never' portrayed for a photographer. He made 'this' condition to photograph HIM.
-HE never sought any type of recognition/posting.
-Last, but not the least, HE was assasinated!!!!!!

What did HE get?

(HE may have been wrong on some fronts, but this could not have been the cause to 'assasinate' HIM).

How many of 'Us' are ready to quit our job/profession today?
Even these days, our Country is in 'dire' need of some good type of 'Leaders'. What WE all are doing? Just 'sitting' and 'watching'?

What type of GREAT Leaders we have today, everybody knows that.

Can Laalo Yadav be forced to quit politics and sit at home? NO!!!!!!!!!

So, where was Gandhi Ji wrong?


Thanks,
Shailendra Tokas

____________________
-Hatred does not cease with hatred; it ceases with love.

-Best friends are those, who care without temptation, remember without limitation.

-A man’s invaluable and imperishable wealth is his learning; all other riches are nothing before it.

 

[shailendra]

Dear Rohit,
Yuo are right.
Here are some points to consider:
-Gandhi Ji practiced LAW in 'those' days, but HE left his JOB for a cause.
-He wore KHADI, just to protest against the foreigners.
-When our country was partitioning, HE was in Bengal, to woo an ordinary citizen, not to do 'this'.
-HE 'never' portrayed for a photographer. He made 'this' condition to photograph HIM.
-HE never sought any type of recognition/posting.
-Last, but not the least, HE was assasinated!!!!!!

What did HE get?

(HE may have been wrong on some fronts, but this could not have been the cause to 'assasinate' HIM).

How many of 'Us' are ready to quit our job/profession today?
Even these days, our Country is in 'dire' need of some good type of 'Leaders'. What WE all are doing? Just 'sitting' and 'watching'?

What type of GREAT Leaders we have today, everybody knows that.

Can Laalo Yadav be forced to quit politics and sit at home? NO!!!!!!!!!

So, where was Gandhi Ji wrong?


Thanks,
Shailendra Tokas

____________________
-Hatred does not cease with hatred; it ceases with love.

-Best friends are those, who care without temptation, remember without limitation.

-A man’s invaluable and imperishable wealth is his learning; all other riches are nothing before it.

Aji Tokasji koi aur aadmi nahi mila compare karne ko Laloo ke siva???
... By the way politicians like Laloo are the product of the same system that was laid by these very congressmen (after Independence) you are talking about.

-Gandhi Ji practiced LAW in 'those' days, but HE left his JOB for a cause.
Well after being sent there to study by the 'Birlas' of India (whom he remained obliged till his death and the same obligation was, some say, also the reason for some of the same 'wrong' decisions he made after Independence)... and his actual rude awakening happened after he was unceremoniously thrown out of a Train by the British and that's when he literally decided to give up his law practise (in a foreign land mind you!) to come back to his own Country and take up the cudgels of the freedom movement!

-He wore KHADI, just to protest against the foreigners.
Come on, you are not seriously linking that to be such a huge and 'great' sacrifice' now, are you? By the way, so did wear the lakh of followers at that time too. (Anyways, good strategy against the British colonialism for sure!)

-When our country was partitioning, HE was in Bengal, to woo an ordinary citizen, not to do 'this'. {By the way what do you mean when you keep refering to 'this'??? Sounds kinda fishy you know!}
Oh yeah, that's right, I am sure he was not around ....you see, after you have made the wrong decisions leading to something big deal like the partition of your very own Country, better leave it to the 'dogs' to fight between themselves and go away to some far enough place from all that din!!!

-HE 'never' portrayed for a photographer. He made 'this' ('this' again!?! What is it??? ) condition to photograph HIM.
-HE never sought any type of recognition/posting.
Oh you got me there on both accounts! Definitely qualities of a great National figure....

-Last, but not the least, HE was assassinated!!!!!!
Oh dear, now what is that he could have done that prompted that reaction!!! Those silly people!... What are small 'mistakes' like not only helping decide dividing a Nation but making the impact last all these years too!?! No big deal, why kill him for that? But yes, the 'assassination' definitely makes him ‘worshipable’ material!

Ok now if anything in your post the only important question I see here is about the kind of Politician's nowadays!...Well, but then that is something that will need a lifetime to debate on!!! ... (Don't have the answers to that though!)

 

[stokas]

Aji Tokasji koi aur aadmi nahi mila compare karne ko Laloo ke siva???
... By the way politicians like Laloo are the product of the same system that was laid by these very congressmen (after Independence) you are talking about.

-Gandhi Ji practiced LAW in 'those' days, but HE left his JOB for a cause.
Well after being sent there to study by the 'Birlas' of India (whom he remained obliged till his death and the same obligation was, some say, also the reason for some of the same 'wrong' decisions he made after Independence)... and his actual rude awakening happened after he was unceremoniously thrown out of a Train by the British and that's when he literally decided to give up his law practise (in a foreign land mind you!) to come back to his own Country and take up the cudgels of the freedom movement!

-He wore KHADI, just to protest against the foreigners.
Come on, you are not seriously linking that to be such a huge and 'great' sacrifice' now, are you? By the way, so did wear the lakh of followers at that time too. (Anyways, good strategy against the British colonialism for sure!)

-When our country was partitioning, HE was in Bengal, to woo an ordinary citizen, not to do 'this'. {By the way what do you mean when you keep refering to 'this'??? Sounds kinda fishy you know!}
Oh yeah, that's right, I am sure he was not around ....you see, after you have made the wrong decisions leading to something big deal like the partition of your very own Country, better leave it to the 'dogs' to fight between themselves and go away to some far enough place from all that din!!!

-HE 'never' portrayed for a photographer. He made 'this' ('this' again!?! What is it??? ) condition to photograph HIM.
-HE never sought any type of recognition/posting.
Oh you got me there on both accounts! Definitely qualities of a great National figure....

-Last, but not the least, HE was assassinated!!!!!!
Oh dear, now what is that he could have done that prompted that reaction!!! Those silly people!... What are small 'mistakes' like not only helping decide dividing a Nation but making the impact last all these years too!?! No big deal, why kill him for that? But yes, the 'assassination' definitely makes him ‘worshipable’ material!

Ok now if anything in your post the only important question I see here is about the kind of Politician's nowadays!...Well, but then that is something that will need a lifetime to debate on!!! ... (Don't have the answers to that though!)

Shailendra bhaai,
You must be right on all fronts.
But, these are only personal views. Please don't take them seriously.

Thanks,

Shailendra Tokas

 

[shailendra]

Shailendra bhaai,
You must be right on all fronts.
But, these are only personal views. Please don't take them seriously.

Thanks,

Shailendra Tokas

Oh No, no!!! Don't get me wrong..................
Of course I enjoy the opportunity of a healthy discussion always, and it was good to wrangle with you a bit on the different point of views on the topic!

Please continue to provide your own thoughts as always...there is definitely nothing personal about these discussions! A healthy discussion is always good for a forum like this rather than just reading them, thinking 'no comments' and simply moving on....[like I am sure a lot of the members are guilty of doing, right!?! Come on guys.....kya kehte ho???)

So no, I am thankful for your meaningful dialouge on the topic...

Keep writing!

 

[stokas]

Oh No, no!!! Don't get me wrong..................
Of course I enjoy the opportunity of a healthy discussion always, and it was good to wrangle with you a bit on the different point of views on the topic!

Please continue to provide your own thoughts as always...there is definitely nothing personal about these discussions! A healthy discussion is always good for a forum like this rather than just reading them, thinking 'no comments' and simply moving on....[like I am sure a lot of the members are guilty of doing, right!?! Come on guys.....kya kehte ho???)

So no, I am thankful for your meaningful dialouge on the topic...

Keep writing!

Bhaai Jaan,

You got it right.
It's always good for these types of dicussions in here.
Aur main DIL mein aaee baat ko rok nahin paata.

Thanks,

Tokas

_____________________
-In defeat, you learn to appreciate life.

-The world is divided into people who do things and people who get the credit. Try, if you can, to belong to the first group. There’s less competition.

 

[rohit]

wrong facts!!!

Aji Tokasji koi aur aadmi nahi mila compare karne ko Laloo ke siva???
... By the way politicians like Laloo are the product of the same system that was laid by these very congressmen (after Independence) you are talking about.

-Gandhi Ji practiced LAW in 'those' days, but HE left his JOB for a cause.
Well after being sent there to study by the 'Birlas' of India (whom he remained obliged till his death and the same obligation was, some say, also the reason for some of the same 'wrong' decisions he made after Independence)... and his actual rude awakening happened after he was unceremoniously thrown out of a Train by the British and that's when he literally decided to give up his law practise (in a foreign land mind you!) to come back to his own Country and take up the cudgels of the freedom movement!

-He wore KHADI, just to protest against the foreigners.
Come on, you are not seriously linking that to be such a huge and 'great' sacrifice' now, are you? By the way, so did wear the lakh of followers at that time too. (Anyways, good strategy against the British colonialism for sure!)

-When our country was partitioning, HE was in Bengal, to woo an ordinary citizen, not to do 'this'. {By the way what do you mean when you keep refering to 'this'??? Sounds kinda fishy you know!}
Oh yeah, that's right, I am sure he was not around ....you see, after you have made the wrong decisions leading to something big deal like the partition of your very own Country, better leave it to the 'dogs' to fight between themselves and go away to some far enough place from all that din!!!

-HE 'never' portrayed for a photographer. He made 'this' ('this' again!?! What is it??? ) condition to photograph HIM.
-HE never sought any type of recognition/posting.
Oh you got me there on both accounts! Definitely qualities of a great National figure....

-Last, but not the least, HE was assassinated!!!!!!
Oh dear, now what is that he could have done that prompted that reaction!!! Those silly people!... What are small 'mistakes' like not only helping decide dividing a Nation but making the impact last all these years too!?! No big deal, why kill him for that? But yes, the 'assassination' definitely makes him ‘worshipable’ material!

Ok now if anything in your post the only important question I see here is about the kind of Politician's nowadays!...Well, but then that is something that will need a lifetime to debate on!!! ... (Don't have the answers to that though!)

hi all,

there are so many things that surprise me... we do not base our opinion on facts but on hearsay and misinformation is so much in the world that we miss the actual facts. i would like to clarify certain points here
1. gandhiji was not sent to London by birlas but his elder brother finance that trip
2. he went to South Africa and did not stop his practice after he was thrown out of the train. infact he became a highly successful professional in SA after the incidence
3. he did not dislike foreigners but he started boycotting foreign cloths because
a) we wanted to improve condition of local weavers
b) he wanted to defeat the very reason of indian occupation by britishers.. ie financial benefits that they drive out of indians
c) he was welcomed by the britisher textiles workers during london visit ( i think it happened when he went to talks in third round table conference)
4. i doubt he took any wrong decision in his life... and if he had taken some wrong decisions he was the first person to accept it. we just need to look at his actions in the light of his phylisphosy.(this may be considered to be my personal opinion)
5. he was murdered by people who were influenced by leaders like veer sarvarkar , hindu mahasabha and RSS. hindu muslim hatred was on its high level and what he did for muslims in india as a human beings was not appreciated by hindu fundamentalists group. but his death achieved something...his death brought peace between hindus and muslims for few decades.


there are few book that everyone who want to know about gandhi should read
1. "satyagrah in south africa" by M. K. Gandhi
" story of my experiments with truth" By M. K. Gandhi
2. Freedom at Midnight by Larry Collins, Dominique Lapierre


Note: this mail is not to pointout mistakes of others but it is just to give some facts about gandhi. it has become more important because of kind of propaganda taking place these days.

rohit

 

[rkumar]

Old habits die hard. Foreign rule has taught something to all Indians and particularly those who are in politics. The simple rule is to demolish the icon of other party.

1. Muslims Rulers tried to demolish Hindu ideology
2. British tried to demolish everything Indian
3. Now the BJP and their alike are trying their best to prove that Gandhi is the root cause of all present day problems in India.
4. Mayawati and Company have created their own icon in Ambedkar.

Its matter of shame for us a nation if we cannot protect the honour of all those who sacrificed their lives for this nation. Gandhi deserves a much higher place not only in India but whole world.

Rajendra