nirajsihag
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Ye Baniya Kitna sala tai garib kisna ka khoon pin lag re hai or sarkar is or koi dhayan nahi hai
MiddleMan greatest Hurdle in Development of Indian Agriculture
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nirajsihag
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I think nobody is interested here in this topic, I am feeling really sad.
A topic on kisan does not derserve such treatment.
Ok guys I am stopping this thread
See thorn twist on my side But I wait without you
A topic on kisan does not derserve such treatment.
Ok guys I am stopping this thread
See thorn twist on my side But I wait without you
nirajsihag said:
Don't be disappointed, Niraj. Ch. Chotu Ram fought against exploitation of farmers by middlemen and traders. So did Ch. Charan Singh and later Devi Lal ji. But in which textbooks of schools do these great men figure in? One will find Nehru, Gandhi, Indira Gandhi and blah blah blah but no great men like these, not even Subhash Bose. Here on this Jatland site, many youngesters may not be interested to discuss such common issues - but there would be tons of posts on "Kisses", "Classic Movies...", "Mallika Sahrawat" and "V-Day special...". Many of us even do not know that this Jatland site has separate pages for each of these 3 Jat leaders mentioned above.
Without going into details, I am quoting two short stories by Munshi Prem Chand which portray the best picture of a poor kisan and exploitation by middlemen. These are available for viewing free on the Internet. Those interested, may please click below and read these nice pieces of literature:
पूस की रात
सवा सेर गेहूं
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Fault Also Lies Within....
Dear Friends,
No, it is not that members don't want to comment on these issues. Most of us are/were from farming families and do understand this issue rather well. Having said that, let me touch upon another issue related directly with this problem. Even earlier I had pointed towards this.
WHY DON'T JATS START A CO-OPERATIVE MOVEMENT? I am aware of the pitfalls of the co-operative system. It can help. We can take advantage of that knowledge and ensure that we don't make the same mistakes like Maharashtra & Gujarat. But for this movement to succeed it would require being subservient to the cause. Accepting people who have to give direction. Learning to work as a team. Learning to be led even though everyone considers himself a direct descendent of God. Giving up personal EGO. Feeling no shame in learning the skills of a shopkeeper, commission agent, middle man and what not, all rolled into one.
I know it is easier said than done but we are not even trying it. 100 years from now the land owning community of Punjab & Haryana will be in the same condition as those who are in East African countries. The Political - Builder - Bureaucratic Lobby would ensure that all lands belonging to farmers is sold off in the name of development. The Brahmin - Bania - Refugee nexus will ensure this. May be this is the only way they can avange their humiliation at the hands of the mighty JATS. Our historians tell us that we were the most dominating community this world has ever seen. If that was so, I am afraid the future looks anything but bright for those who are in the villages, the remnants of our mighty race.
I believe there is still time. Government will do nothing. They will ensure that farmers remain in a pathetic condition and get used to the 'grants' by the government. Why should the politicians improve their plight? Who will then be ignorant and exploitable? Whom will they show dreams of 'Garibi Hatao'? It is the people who have to start looking after their own interests.
It is not that some of us don't want to comment. Aag lag jaati hai seene mein jab ye sab hote hue dekhtein hain. Lekin kisko samjhayein?
Regards,
JS Malik
Dear Friends,
No, it is not that members don't want to comment on these issues. Most of us are/were from farming families and do understand this issue rather well. Having said that, let me touch upon another issue related directly with this problem. Even earlier I had pointed towards this.
WHY DON'T JATS START A CO-OPERATIVE MOVEMENT? I am aware of the pitfalls of the co-operative system. It can help. We can take advantage of that knowledge and ensure that we don't make the same mistakes like Maharashtra & Gujarat. But for this movement to succeed it would require being subservient to the cause. Accepting people who have to give direction. Learning to work as a team. Learning to be led even though everyone considers himself a direct descendent of God. Giving up personal EGO. Feeling no shame in learning the skills of a shopkeeper, commission agent, middle man and what not, all rolled into one.
I know it is easier said than done but we are not even trying it. 100 years from now the land owning community of Punjab & Haryana will be in the same condition as those who are in East African countries. The Political - Builder - Bureaucratic Lobby would ensure that all lands belonging to farmers is sold off in the name of development. The Brahmin - Bania - Refugee nexus will ensure this. May be this is the only way they can avange their humiliation at the hands of the mighty JATS. Our historians tell us that we were the most dominating community this world has ever seen. If that was so, I am afraid the future looks anything but bright for those who are in the villages, the remnants of our mighty race.
I believe there is still time. Government will do nothing. They will ensure that farmers remain in a pathetic condition and get used to the 'grants' by the government. Why should the politicians improve their plight? Who will then be ignorant and exploitable? Whom will they show dreams of 'Garibi Hatao'? It is the people who have to start looking after their own interests.
It is not that some of us don't want to comment. Aag lag jaati hai seene mein jab ye sab hote hue dekhtein hain. Lekin kisko samjhayein?
Regards,
JS Malik
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positivelook
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Jagmohan Sir and Others
Please forgive me if i m going to be a bit blunt in my post.
Niraj has strted this thread and he got disappointed when he didnt found any replies first of all u tell me Niraj that is getting replies on ur thread will going to solve the problem I say a big NO. To solve this problem if u r really serious than u have to work on ground and u have to include all those people who are agree with ur idea, Can u do this pls let me know. As Jagmohan sir has pointed that farmers have to make a cooperative society so Col. sir how is this going to happen who will play the vital role in forming a society and how he/she going to include all the farmers in this.
Well i was thinking from a long time that here on Jatland there are lots of issues has been discussed so far and we are still going with them I accept few issues are only for discussion and beyond our control but there are few issues which we strt and close and than what is the result nthing.
Deswal sir is right that here on jatland if u post a post like kisses and love and Mallika u will get prompt reply but anything related to social thing will not cos our young generation have nthing to do with these problems and wht i m trying to say here is that its better if we start the thread than try to conclude it with a result or outcome otherwise whts the use.
One more thing wht we have decide that we will do a national level meet in Rohtak when idea was given by Mukesh we all supported the idea and ask if anyone can cme out to take the responsibility at tht time me and Pammu took the responsibility but we also asked abt the support of all and when i strted the thread abt Rural convention we got few replies. After that now when we tried to sumup the interested individuals for the meet in which we have decided to disusss all the problems which rural people are facing such as Dowry, Education system and policies, govt. policies for farmers, Employement etc. we got disappointed to see that only 3-4 jatlander cme out.
So bhai Niraj u got my point wht i m trying to say.
Well this is wht i felt and wht i observed on jatland thts it this is not personal for anyone.
Abhimanyu Phougat
Please forgive me if i m going to be a bit blunt in my post.
Niraj has strted this thread and he got disappointed when he didnt found any replies first of all u tell me Niraj that is getting replies on ur thread will going to solve the problem I say a big NO. To solve this problem if u r really serious than u have to work on ground and u have to include all those people who are agree with ur idea, Can u do this pls let me know. As Jagmohan sir has pointed that farmers have to make a cooperative society so Col. sir how is this going to happen who will play the vital role in forming a society and how he/she going to include all the farmers in this.
Well i was thinking from a long time that here on Jatland there are lots of issues has been discussed so far and we are still going with them I accept few issues are only for discussion and beyond our control but there are few issues which we strt and close and than what is the result nthing.
Deswal sir is right that here on jatland if u post a post like kisses and love and Mallika u will get prompt reply but anything related to social thing will not cos our young generation have nthing to do with these problems and wht i m trying to say here is that its better if we start the thread than try to conclude it with a result or outcome otherwise whts the use.
One more thing wht we have decide that we will do a national level meet in Rohtak when idea was given by Mukesh we all supported the idea and ask if anyone can cme out to take the responsibility at tht time me and Pammu took the responsibility but we also asked abt the support of all and when i strted the thread abt Rural convention we got few replies. After that now when we tried to sumup the interested individuals for the meet in which we have decided to disusss all the problems which rural people are facing such as Dowry, Education system and policies, govt. policies for farmers, Employement etc. we got disappointed to see that only 3-4 jatlander cme out.
So bhai Niraj u got my point wht i m trying to say.
Well this is wht i felt and wht i observed on jatland thts it this is not personal for anyone.
Abhimanyu Phougat
aakashtahlan
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Politicians are equally responsible!
Yes friends middle man play a major role in crippling indian economy both in urban and rural areas,but in my view politicians are equally responsible for this since policies which these middle man xploite for their own use, are framed by politicians in closed AC rooms.Also burocrates also play a role in it.
Solution is that we genral public vote for best candidates like our current PM and President and get a better governance.
Yes friends middle man play a major role in crippling indian economy both in urban and rural areas,but in my view politicians are equally responsible for this since policies which these middle man xploite for their own use, are framed by politicians in closed AC rooms.Also burocrates also play a role in it.
Solution is that we genral public vote for best candidates like our current PM and President and get a better governance.
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positivelook
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Bhai Tehlan
Apna PM toh bina vote liye hee PM bann rahya hai ( Mr. Singh have never fought any election so far).
Abhimanyu Phougat
Apna PM toh bina vote liye hee PM bann rahya hai ( Mr. Singh have never fought any election so far).
Abhimanyu Phougat
positivelook said:
Dear Abhimanyu,
The 'Vital Role' has to be played by the Villagers themselves. (I don't want to go into the details of the advantages of starting a co-operative society in this reply). But to understand the whole business of such an effort, those who have left the village, for whatever reasons, have to take the lead. If you remember I had mentioned how those who are 'Away' can contribute by donating 2-3% of their income for their own village (In the Jat/Jan Jagriti Thread). I had given a very simple calculation too. However, when it comes to giving. not many responded.
Look friend. Someone has to take the lead. The first step has to be 'Education'. It is very difficult to go to a village as a 'Guest Lecturer' and make them believe in everything one says, even if you are right. I may again mention the same point discussed again & again that people back in the village care two hoots for those who try and educate them. Their sense of abandonment is almost complete. Even to communicate is difficult. Believe you me, I say this with some sort of experience and disappointment too.
What is the solution then? Well, whoever can has to go back to our roots and try and make a difference. I am sure even if 100 right thinking people do so, we would see a difference.
Now the issue of 'National Rural Convention'. As things stand today it seems to be a no-go. Sorry, but that's what it looks like. I can understand your frustrations being so far away and unable to move things. May be you could scale down the 'Scope'. Have few participants. To start with plan to have it as a 'One Day' affair only. Just to break the ice. The minute you want to have a larger gathering and an all inclusive affair, Sarpanches, Politicians, Leaders and what not, things get complicated. Please don't take this as a discouragement. I am only trying to foresee.
Regards,
JS Malik
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Pm
Yes Abhimanyu, i know that he never fought election. This fact it self shows how important he is that All parties in Indian politics today have accepted him as PM in one voice, let's see his deeds not wat he is.
positivelook said:Bhai Tehlan
Apna PM toh bina vote liye hee PM bann rahya hai ( Mr. Singh have never fought any election so far).
Abhimanyu Phougat
Yes Abhimanyu, i know that he never fought election. This fact it self shows how important he is that All parties in Indian politics today have accepted him as PM in one voice, let's see his deeds not wat he is.
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nirajsihag said:
Sihag Bhai!
Do not expect the government to come to the rescue of the farmers. When was the last time, the govt. came to the rescue of anyone?
Whether it is some Indian citizen about to be beheaded in Afghanistan, or a poor Indian farmer who is about to commit suicide becuase of broken govt. promises, the govt. will always be busy filling their own pockets and bank lockers.
It is disappointing to see some really experienced and aged members of this forum who know it better than me, what I am talking about, to promote govt. as the solution for our agonies.
Every harvest season, the govt. fixes the price for our produce after consultation with the Baniya. he govt. gets kickbacks in return and the Baniya gets throwaway prices for our blood and sweat.
Another example of "crony-capitalism."
jagmohan said:
Rightly pointed out by Col. Malik. Not very long back our elders (till late 50s) had a sense of cooperation - those with small land holdings, used to keep one bullock each and ploughing and harvesting etc. was done by two or more such families and produce equally distributed. In case the main member of one family falls sicks, the other one looked after that family's job in the fields. Today, even those who have 1 or 2 acres of land, keep a tractor - whereas a tractor can easily be shared by 3-4 small kisans on a 'cooperative' basis. Even Ch. Charan Singh used to advise like this. But village folk do not understand all this.
Second point - the Brahman-Bania-Refugee nexus has really succeeded in their goals in Delhi State. They grabbed the land by creating an institution called 'DDA', cooperative group housing societies and so on. The real Delhiwallas have shrunk to their 'Laal Dora' villages where the living conditions are pathetic even now.
Some discussion on this issue has already taken place earlier. Two recent threads come to mind : What Went Wrong With Jats and Why Jats are their own enemies
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nirajsihag
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First of all I want to thank to Col Shabb,Deswal bhai,Abhimanyu bhai,Dahiya bhai,Akash bhai for their replies.
The thing pointed out by Col Shaab and Deshal bhai that this Baniya-Refugee nexus is grabing our lands on the name of development and this naked truth can be well seen in delhi where you rarely see a jat's houses in posh colonie
and the irony of faith is this that the land previously belonged to jat's.
Secondly Abhimanyu bhai whenever next time you organize such meet do inform me bcz I face coonectivity problem in my village.
The thing pointed out by Col Shaab and Deshal bhai that this Baniya-Refugee nexus is grabing our lands on the name of development and this naked truth can be well seen in delhi where you rarely see a jat's houses in posh colonie
and the irony of faith is this that the land previously belonged to jat's.
Secondly Abhimanyu bhai whenever next time you organize such meet do inform me bcz I face coonectivity problem in my village.
rohittewatia
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nirajsihag said:
Delhi jats sold their property for good money, n for some jats, not only their property, but have pounced Village Panchayat's property also...i don't think Baniya's have the ability to do that.
rohittewatia
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Sir choturam ki maa chakki pey atta pees raahi thieh, jaabh Baniya ayaah aur saara aatah kudki karke ley gaaya...
College main padhai key liyeh sir choturam kah pitaa unhen lekar baniye key paas karaz lenne gaaya toh baniye ney pankha jhalane key liyeh unake pitaa koh deydiya...
Jaabh unhoney kissan kah baniye key hathon itana soushaan dekha, taabh unhoney praan liyah kih voh kissan koh inake hathon pisaane naheen denge.
Khudi koh kar buland itana, kih har takdeer sey pehle
Khuda bande sey yeh puche, baata terri raaza kyaah hai.
College main padhai key liyeh sir choturam kah pitaa unhen lekar baniye key paas karaz lenne gaaya toh baniye ney pankha jhalane key liyeh unake pitaa koh deydiya...
Jaabh unhoney kissan kah baniye key hathon itana soushaan dekha, taabh unhoney praan liyah kih voh kissan koh inake hathon pisaane naheen denge.
Khudi koh kar buland itana, kih har takdeer sey pehle
Khuda bande sey yeh puche, baata terri raaza kyaah hai.
nirajsihag
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rohittewatia said:
Bhai Rohit,
Aisa hai ki jat ka liya jamin maa ke barabar hoti, Or jis na maa ko hi baej diya wo kisa jat raha gaya.
Kade jaha pa jata ke kehat huwa karte thai ajj waha refugeeia ki kothi hai.
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