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I wonder how many on this site actualy feel a sense of brothern towards our brothers in punjab....or is it that we would be closer to some mr sharma or mr goyal....

this is an issue no one eva touches....
 
Dear Mr. Nain,
I am unable to understand as to what exactly you want to convey in this post. Could you please be more elaborate.
Thanks
 
Col Virendra S Tavathia(Retd) (Nov 27, 2003 12:19 p.m.):
Dear Mr. Nain,
I am unable to understand as to what exactly you want to convey in this post. Could you please be more elaborate.
Thanks
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sir all that i am implying is that we jave jatts living across our border in punjab,n they r very similar to us n many of them do retain a brotherly feeling towards us ,i just wonder should we feel more close to a baniya or a brahmin or to a fellow jat whos of another religion
 
Dear R.Nain,

It is the political agenda of congress long before Independence to divide JATS as much as possible resulting in INDO-PAK Partition in 1947 which led to partition of United Punjab then largest & dominating state also formation of new states led to division in the population of JATS furher Punjab was divided into Punjab, Himachal & Haryana. Indira Gandhi led govt. supported extremist leadres like Bhindrwala & Jagjit singh Chauhan which were demanding Khalistan for Sikhs.
Majority of Jats in Punjab have adopted sikkhism on the call of Guru Govind Singh to devote the elder son from each family who became khalsa ( Sikh Army Soldier) to campaign against the invader muslims to protect the hindu from their forced conversion to Islam, this tradition continued from generation to generation.
How do you define Sikhs as different from Hindu's ??? You can see lot's of Sikhs going to temples and non sikh Hindu's going to gurudwara's, thus Sikhism is an important branch of Moderate Hinduism prevelent dominantly in Jats, most families still have mix of keshdhari's and non keshdharis for example families of Dharmendera & Dara Singh infact Dara Singh is the present president of All India Jat Mahasabha, above all A JAT is JAT Before his religion you must have heard of terms Jatsikh, Moole Jat. If u have seen the movie GADAR u must have heard Amrish Puri calling Sunny Deol (who acted as a Sikh)JATT.
Even muslim Jats in Pakistan are proud of being JAT's & still suffix/Prefix Chowdhary which is the symbol of JAT pride thruout Indian Subcontinent.
Bania's & Brahmins can never be friends or wellwishers of Jats & enough of evidence above have been provided that Jats all over India are our real brothers none other can replace them.

(quote]Rajdan Nain (Nov 27, 2003 09:12 p.m.):
Col Virendra S Tavathia(Retd) (Nov 27, 2003 12:19 p.m.):
Dear Mr. Nain,
I am unable to understand as to what exactly you want to convey in this post. Could you please be more elaborate.
Thanks
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sir all that i am implying is that we jave jatts living across our border in punjab,n they r very similar to us n many of them do retain a brotherly feeling towards us ,i just wonder should we feel more close to a baniya or a brahmin or to a fellow jat whos of another religion[/quote]
 
Dear R.Nain,

It is the political agenda of congress long before Independence to divide JATS as much as possible resulting in INDO-PAK Partition in 1947 which led to partition of United Punjab then largest & dominating state also formation of new states led to division in the population of JATS furher Punjab was divided into Punjab, Himachal & Haryana. Indira Gandhi led govt. supported extremist leadres like Bhindrwala & Jagjit singh Chauhan which were demanding Khalistan for Sikhs.
Majority of Jats in Punjab have adopted sikkhism on the call of Guru Govind Singh to devote the elder son from each family who became khalsa ( Sikh Army Soldier) to campaign against the invader muslims to protect the hindu from their forced conversion to Islam, this tradition continued from generation to generation.
How do you define Sikhs as different from Hindu's ???
You can see lot's of Sikhs going to temples and non sikh Hindu's going to gurudwara's,
Sikhism is an important branch of Moderate Hinduism, most families still have mix of keshdhari's and non keshdharis for example families of Dharmendera & Dara Singh infact Dara Singh is the present president of All India Jat Mahasabha, above all A JAT is JAT Before his religion you must have heard of terms Jatsikh, Moole Jat. If u have seen the movie GADAR u must have heard Amrish Puri calling Sunny Deol (who acted as a Sikh)JATT.
Even muslim Jats in Pakistan are proud of being JAT's & still suffix/Prefix Chowdhary which is the symbol of JAT pride thruout Indian Subcontinent.
Bania's & Brahmins can never be friends or wellwishers of Jats & enough of evidence above have been provided that Jats all over India are our real brothers none other can replace them.

quote]Rajdan Nain (Nov 27, 2003 09:12 p.m.):
Col Virendra S Tavathia(Retd) (Nov 27, 2003 12:19 p.m.):
Dear Mr. Nain,
I am unable to understand as to what exactly you want to convey in this post. Could you please be more elaborate.
Thanks
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sir all that i am implying is that we jave jatts living across our border in punjab,n they r very similar to us n many of them do retain a brotherly feeling towards us ,i just wonder should we feel more close to a baniya or a brahmin or to a fellow jat whos of another religion[/quote]
 
Hi Mr.Rajdan Nain,

I think here we are only discussing about our jat communities issues only.We are not talking about another caste.We wanna unity between our communities so that they will progress like the other communities.So we want that no other communities member should interfere between us.One more thing Jat from any corner of world can join us.They all are most welcome here.

So first of all thing about our community.

Regards,
Balraj Dahiya

Rajdan Nain (Nov 16, 2003 12:52 a.m.):
I wonder how many on this site actualy feel a sense of brothern towards our brothers in punjab....or is it that we would be closer to some mr sharma or mr goyal....

this is an issue no one eva touches....
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Mr. Dahiya has brought out an important point. The purpose of this website is to share our views as community. I have seen some posts in which other casts are criticized, which I think is not good. We should all be above caste and religious systems. I personally feel, that it is most important to be a human being than any thing else. I would prefer to be close to any person who follows the law and a peace loving citizen irrespective of his caste or creed. So question of Maan, Sharma or Goyal does not arise. The purpose of site is purely share views of the community people and give them a plateform to air their views.

Further, I don't think we can really blame a particular political party for India's partition. Even the division of Punjab probably may have to be looked into as to who all wanted it. I agree with the point that Sikhism is an extention of Hinduism itself and any one who propogates otherwise can olny be called ignorant.
 
I absolutely agree with mr rathee ,but at the same time i dont despise some one because of his or her caste ,race or religion,i never even generalise because there are good non jats and bad jats tooo.But wat i am sayin is over ther years we have been looked down upon by the brahmical hierachy,it were our direct ancestors who would try to fight off the invadind muslims ,and the whole tody goes to rajputs and the reason.....the adopted the brahmin hierachy and we never because of our independent nature..sir there is no race like the jat race ...and i am just proud to be the direct descendent of the most bravest people to walk the face of the earth,,,
thats y i feel a sense of solidarity towards jats even tho they r sikhs...after all during the turn of the century we alomost formed our own religion just like the present day jatts....arya samaj...!!
 
Dear Rajdan & all other respected members of Jatland.com, I had this point of view in my mind while posting the last message that why should we propogate the agenda of division of jats on religious grounds when we (Hindu Jats )have our own way of life like following few traditions which are forbidden in other Hindu's and following Arya Samaj.
Secondly everyone here has freedom to express his view's which are constructive in nature for our society & site & to follow the faith of his choice.
I personally think that we have been here due to our flexible nature & should change in accordance with time as it is necessary for the surviver in this race of evolution will be the fittest only.
Despite there will be always good non Jats & Bad Jats.
Deenbandhu Sir Chotu Ram advised the Jats 2 things to remember, Ki e bhole Kisan (Jat) do baten yad rakh :
a) Bolna seekh le ( Be soft spoken)

b) Dushman ko pecchaan le. ( Identify the enemy)

Our society is made of a vast castes & peole speaking different languages it is the neccesity of time to get going along with the socity shoulder to shoulder without feeling superior ( as the jats feel ) let the people decide this thru your acts be united, strong & bold before these refugee's eat up the lions share in every field as this community can only be supressed with brain power combined with muscles power, we jats have enough of both so I call up all the brave Jats to remember your great History & culture & propogate the same whenever, wherever possible.
Only the superior will survive & rule.

Jat Balwan Jai Bhagwan

Sanjay Rathee


Rajdan Nain (Nov 28, 2003 07:53 p.m.):
I absolutely agree with mr rathee ,but at the same time i dont despise some one because of his or her caste ,race or religion,i never even generalise because there are good non jats and bad jats tooo.But wat i am sayin is over ther years we have been looked down upon by the brahmical hierachy,it were our direct ancestors who would try to fight off the invadind muslims ,and the whole tody goes to rajputs and the reason.....the adopted the brahmin hierachy and we never because of our independent nature..sir there is no race like the jat race ...and i am just proud to be the direct descendent of the most bravest people to walk the face of the earth,,,
thats y i feel a sense of solidarity towards jats even tho they r sikhs...after all during the turn of the century we alomost formed our own religion just like the present day jatts....arya samaj...!!
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nain ji
here i totally disagree with u regarding this and i quote u "But wat(sic) i am sayin is over ther(sic) years we have been looked down upon by the brahmical hierachy" unquote .well ..... i think its 180 degree otherwAy round ..what i have seen in my villages and town is that the pandat"s are looked down upon . infact " bahman " is the slang used and we were told when we waere kids, not to address them the former in front of them . in fact on a lighter side ...behya-sadiya mein te mane pandata galya bhundi hoti dekhi se ...jib mahare jissa koi maskhara pandat ne jibe keh de se " re pandat sayde de si ne pad le apne ye mantar-vantar na pitee ga ibb tu " ......haha
te bhai sharma goyal arr gupta te apne tale e rahe se . but with the commercialisation one find jats opening kiryana store , becoming tailor etc etc there is hardly an edge (fun )eft callin someone baniya , darji etc .
we need education and that is the solution to all our problems !!!
 
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