My Disappointment - Election Related Debate on Jatland

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Dear Birbal Sir,

As regards your evaluation of Vajpayee as a worse PM than even Indira or Rajeev, Gujaral or Deve Gowda, VP Singh or Chandrasekhar, than God be with India. By your evaluation you have proved that for some people even a tree written Congress on it is the best leader in the world. It is beyond anybody's comprehension as to how Sonia could be a better leader than Atal. You may be right in your optimism sir but I have my doubts especially with Laloo on her side ? Let us see what is in store for India in the coming years ?

JAT - Justice And Truth.
 
Dear Dr. Birbal,

You are perhaps forgetting that our great Jat leaders beginning with Sir Chootu Ram preferred to keep a distance from Congress. Ch. Charan Singh and Tau Devi Lal both worked with Vajpayee in 1980 and had alliance with him. Are you trying to say that they didn't care for the interests of jats. In the NDA govrnment there were more jat Ministers than any other previous governments, three at least I can recall at once, Dr. Sahib Singh Verma, Vikram Verma, Chhatrapal besides the evergreen turncoat Ajit Singh ? How can anyone say he was aginst jats. He gave more tickets to jats than any other party at national level, even more than INLD or Chaudhary Charan Singh's Lok Dal. What did Congress do for jats ? Just use them by turning jat pahalwans into goondas and dump them after they purpose is served ?

JAT - Justice And Truth
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (May 14, 2004 08:37 p.m.):

The Jews do no such thing in the West. In the USA, Jews are overwhelmingly democratic party supporters, and in Canada they are mostly Liberal party supporters.

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Dear Birbal Singh Ji,

Ram Ram

In the UK, you have jews both in the Conservative Party and the Labour Party. Similar story in France.
 
For those supporting Congress and critcising BJP/Vajpayee- Are we saying that before 1999 (when congress was ruling most of the times since independence) there was no poverty or a poor man or problems in India and then all of a sudden Vajpayee came to power and in just 5 years created a nation where more than half of the population is below poverty line? Amazing!!!!!!
For the same lot - I hope now (when Congress is going to rule again) we'll have same (pre-BJP) utopia again! Well !!! All the best mates!
 
The true counterpart of BJP/RSS in England is National Front and in France is the party of Le Pen. I can not imagine any Jew in those parties. I have made no attempt to supprt Congress. The only thing I am saying is that BJP/Rss is evil and it is a disgrace for a Jat to join it. Temporary aliances are a different matter.
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (May 15, 2004 05:58 a.m.):
The true counterpart of BJP/RSS in England is National Front and in France is the party of Le Pen. I can not imagine any Jew in those parties. I have made no attempt to supprt Congress. The only thing I am saying is that BJP/Rss is evil and it is a disgrace for a Jat to join it. Temporary aliances are a different matter.
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Dear Birbal Singh Ji,

Ram Ram

you write: "The true counterpart of BJP/RSS in England is National Front and in France is the party of Le Pen."

sorry but that is just outright ridiculous. The National Front are not even a political party, just a group of racist thugs - a more accurate analogy would be something like the Bajrang Dal.
BJP is a hindu nationalist "centre right" party - and the corresponding "centre right" in the UK is the Conservative Party. And France - Jacques Chiraq's party.

"I have made no attempt to supprt Congress. The only thing I am saying is that BJP/Rss is evil and it is a disgrace for a Jat to join it."

... tho theek hai fir. Lalloo ko aap support dijiyega. If you feel that is a better alternative to BJP yaa Congress.
 
Dear Dr. Birbal Singhji,

By your posts are you trying to prove that people like Dr. Sahib Singh Verma who worked tirelessly for the welfare of jats are a disgrace to the Jats. We should not forget that it was he who brought Nivedita College for Women to the border village of Kair so that our village girls from Delhi and Haryana villages around Bahadurgarh, who were reluctant to go to far off places to study after school, could acquire higher education. It is a pity that petty minded voters defeated him against notorious Sajjan Kumar, whose only asset is his goondaism being from the so called Sanjay brigade of emergency era. As for party politics, modern day politicians doesn't seem to believe in that. Politics these days is like a train and the parties are its compartments. If a politician don't get seat in one he immediately hops to the other. There were scores of people who when denied tickets by BJP contested on Congress tickets and vice versa. Hence, attaching principles to any party is a futile exercise on which we should not waste our time. It is also said that Sonia proved her mettle by leading Congress to power. An utter nonsense. If she had any magic or determination why congress didn't win in Kerala, Punjab, Karnataka and Uttaranchal where they are ruling party besides the three states of Rajasthan, MP and Chhatisgarh ? No sir, this is not the vote for or against any one but people's impatience. They are looking for a miracle to take place in a single term which is simply not possible. Everybody, lakhs of students churned out by our universities, want jobs for which no party with semi-illiterate leaders has any answer ? Unless really educated people with a sense of service to the nation with all sincerety enter the political arena we will continue to have this drama every five years or even at shorter durations ? If anybody thinks that people like Sonia, Laloo and Coms can take India forward, they are definitely very good day dreamers.

You must have seen in the newspapers that even before formation of the government differences over disinvestment, relations with USA and peace with Pakistan, petrol prices have cropped up. This is just a sample of things to come in the days ahead. I distinctly remember that euphoria created by Rajiv's election as PM in 1984, how he became a butt of jokes, and the way his tenure ended in 1989.

Regards.
 
dear all,
if congress was so good to jats, can any body tell me how many jats were made ministers in central govt cabinet from the year 1947 to 1975.if yes what were their portfolis.
 
I have to keep on posting here in hope of clarifying my views and awakening at least those who have been tricked into believing that BJP/RSS is not so bad. Of course, I have neither the ability nor the intent to try to convince those who support BJP/RSS for their self interest no matter how harmful it is for the broader community.

I am not thrilled by the state of political parties and so-called leaders in India. Most of them have no principles and no ideology. But BJP/RSS is an exception as it has a definite ideology (and Vajpayee, Advani etc. are 100% product of RSS ideology) and unfortunately, its ideology is what makes it so evil and dangerous.

First, let me go back to E.V. Ramaswammy Naicker. What he achieved was the total annihilation of the traditional Hindu religion in the earstwhile Madras state (now Tamilnadu). Of course, his people, being just like Jats started fighting among themselves and soon there were DMK, AIADMK, PMK, MDMK etc. But because he had eradicated the evil like RSS despite all the infighting the state kept progressing and is still progressing. I am again reiterating that the leaders of DMK etc. keep on changing alliances but at least they are free of the EVIL that keeps us Jats behind. For years the south Indians came to the north looking for jobs and per capita income of Punjab/Haryana/Rajasthan was far higher than southern states. Now I can not believe the gap between per capita income of the so-called Hindu heartland (UP, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar and Haryana) and the south. The northern states are in an awful mess compared to the south. Just like the fundamentalists in Islam brought down the entire Muslim world, the likes of RSS will drown India. The reason is that the ideology of RSS is strictly based on hatred. They hate Muslims, they hate Jats, Gujars, Ahirs (and you can name many more groups). Excuse me but you are free to join and stay with them but I do not like a group which calls my entire community as worse than scum.

Are you trying to convince me that I should like Sahib Singh because he started one girl's college. You go and take a look at the Grameen Mahila sansthan in Sikar set up by ordinary Jats (mainly organized by my late father-in-law, Sukhveer Singh Batar), and many schools in Rajasthan. By just joining BJP and giving support and comfort to the Jat haters he has done a great disservice to the community.

If someone wants to live with the realities of politics there is no harm in having temporary alliance with any one. In the second world war Soviet Union, USA and UK were on the same side. But that does not mean Churchill joined communist party or Stalin left communist party. Joining a party and allying with a party are completely separate things. I have no problem with Charan Singh joining the crooks in 1977 to oust Indira Gandhi because that was a greater goal at the moment and it was temporary. I was in Canada at that time and I remember a celebration held when Indira Gandhi was defeated and one of the person with high standing in RSS who immigrated to Canada said what a great moment it is except that a "Gadha" has been given the position of Home Minister (Charan Singh). He had to hear a lot harsher language from me. I can tell you with absolute confidence that you are free to join that kind of group but their ideology is cast in stone and I and you both know what they call us.

Once, again, elections will come and go in a democracy, and governments will change, but certain ideolgies will not change and it is our responsibility to judge various ideologies with clear mind. India is a massive country and no one can solve all the problems or even some of the problems. But getting rid of evil elements at least provides some hope. Trying to throw hopeless arguments that if one opposes Vajpayee he is supporting Lalloo or Sonia is not very productive.

Coming to goondaism, I hear from you that Sajjan Kumar is one. He may have behaved like one and I am not supporting him but one thing I know for sure that Promod Mahajan is goonda by profession not just on some occassions.

As far as the threat from Muslims is concerned I can say that today the Muslims are threat to no one in the world except themselves. It is a sorry state to be in. The BJP/RSS will take us in the same situation too unless we have a Periyar in the north.
 
Rajender Singh (May 15, 2004 09:38 a.m.):
dear all,
if congress was so good to jats, can any body tell me how many jats were made ministers in central govt cabinet from the year 1947 to 1975.if yes what were their portfolis.
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Dear Rajinderji,

I can tell you that the progress made by jats in Rajasthan between 1947 and 1977 can only be described as spectacular. We were poor, uneducated and backward who suffered under feudal states. there were a handful of Jats who collaborated with the feudals in the exploitation of their community. In the 30 years from 1947-1977 Jats came from the bottom to top. It was the rule of BJP under Bhairon Singh Sekhawat that set back the progress of the community.

You do not necessarily help a community by appointing a few stooges in the cabinet who do nothing for the community.
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (May 15, 2004 11:33 a.m.):
You do not necessarily help a community by appointing a few stooges in the cabinet who do nothing for the community.
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Agreed!

As I say this I am not a great supporter of BJP nor I am a sworn enemy of Congress.
Jats progressed not just because Congress has been extra considerate for their interests it is because of their own efforts and courage. When it comes to politics it is just matter of votes and in Rajasthan jat votes matter so no party ( yes not even BJP) can win there without hearing them.
For that matter it was BJP which agreed to reservation demand( which I think is quite justified) inspite of fact that Shekhawat was still at helm of affairs in state BJP unit and must have opposed it tooth and nail. And now rajputs are crying foul, but who cares 20 years down the line jats will be well entrenched in government positons and even if 10% of those care about community I think we are almost there and that´s what matters. We build our own destiny not a policitical party!!!!

One british politician said relationships are never permanent but interests are. And that should be our mantra....that´s what brahminist elite have been doing for centuries. Let them taste their own medicine.
 
Dear Birbal Singh Ji,

you write: "the likes of RSS will drown India. The reason is that the ideology of RSS is strictly based on hatred. They hate Muslims, they hate Jats, Gujars, Ahirs (and you can name many more groups). Excuse me but you are free to join and stay with them but I do not like a group which calls my entire community as worse than scum."

... other than a few recollections of yours from the 1950's, can you please provide some solid proof or basis for these accusations.ie, Where do the likes of Sudarshan and Togadia single out Jats,Gujjars etc for abuse?! Musalmaan - chalo,haan maan liya. But Jats, Yadavs, Gujjars etc?! kaha?!

you write: "As far as the threat from Muslims is concerned I can say that today the Muslims are threat to no one in the world except themselves."

... based on what exactly?
Israel,Iraq,Kashmir,Bangladesh,Indonesia,Africa etc - so you are trying to tell us that the people of those places are not threatened by islam; but it is the muslims who are the threatened?!

that's pseudo-secularism in its worst form!
 
Ramandeep,

The ideology of RSS is based on the traditional Hinduism which decides your fate on the basis of birth. The ideology is permanent so it is not important to give some recent evidence against it. I am not limiting to my own experiences. Baburao Patel (he became an MP in 60s) was bright but a poor peasant's son in Maharastra and once his father told a big Hindu leader that my son wants to become a lawyer when he grows up. The leader replied "why, have all the Brahmins dead". The mentality is permanent.

As far as Muslims are concerned I am just stating a stark fact that they have gone back to the middle ages and all they are capable of doing now is to harm themselves. The countries you named other than Israel are almost 100% Muslim and look at their state. Would you like India to be like them?

As far as Israel is concerned, it is the location that makes them target and I am sure they are capable of dealing with it. By the way, my only son, a radiologist is married and my daghter-in-law is Israeli and has part of her family still living in Israel. I have personal interest in the welfare of Israel. So, I am not trying to be sympathetic to Muslims, just bringing out the factual situation.

I am trying to relate the downfall of Islam to the potential danger to India from BJP/RSS ideology because when it comes to fundamentalism all religions have serious negative potential. The fundmentalists essentially bring down a sociey by stifling free and open debate on issues of importance.

Since I am rather old and have been out of India for a long time but kept up with the goings on not only in India but most of the world I can provide lot of evidence of dangers of fundamentalism everywhere including India.

The ideologies like BJP/RSS that include other fundamentalists like Muslims and Christian fundamentalists tend to dumb down a society. If you know something about USA you will know that the states where Christian fundamentalists are stronger are the ones with lower standards of education, income and tolerance. That is the same reason the Indian heartland where BJP is gaining influence (Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgard, UP, Haryana, Bihar) is falling behind the southern part of the country.
 
Dear Dr. Birbal,

I think we are straying from the main point as to where the interest of our community lies. You will appreciate that most of our leaders were treated shabbily by Congress leadership and they had to leave it. Sir Chhotu Ram, Ch. Charan Singh, Ch. Devi Lal, Bansi Lal, Jagdeep Dhankhad and other present day leaders are the shining example of Congress hate towards jats. All jats leaders have at one time or the other have been cheated by the congress, used and dumped. I am sure a person of your calibre remember how the first Congress PM Jawaharlal was welcomed by the Jats of Bahadurgarh. He was virtually physically thrashed for his anti-jat policies. This is a documented record. Shastri was the only exception and only during his PMship some jats had tilted toward Congress. You may also perhaps be aware how the Ahirs of Delhi were given backward status even though at least in Delhi they were economically far better off than Jats. The jats were ridiculed by the Congress for demanding the same benefits as were offered to other castes. Instead their lands were acquired and they were given pittance reducing them to penury. You remember, sir, Ch. Charan Singh being called names by RSS people. It is a good thing, a jat never forgets the insults, but at the same time don't forget that Congress had also branded him "kulak' and played tricks on him for the sake of return to power. He was used by this very congress. Why I mentioned Sahib Singh's contribution to bringing a college to a village is that by doing so he has tried to restore the lost pride of jats of this area. You are perhaps not aware that the original location of Shivaji college of University of Delhi, was Matiyala village in West Delhi. However, it was shifted to Raja Garden in 1960s. When some people of this area approached the then Congress MP of this area, one Nair brother of the then Union Health Minister Sushila Nair, his reaction was "yeh to jaton ka area hai woh padhke likhate to hai nahin. Shahar se logo ko padhane ke liye itani door jana padta hai". The fact is this was revenge for the incident at Bahadurgarh. So much for the congress and its love for the jats. It is not that jats love BJP either but they have no other better option to oppose the anti-jats congress. Wherever they find a platfom to oppose congress they jump on it. Lok Dal and INLD are the products of anti-jat policy of congress. The bottomline is though the BJP may not be good be good for jats, congress is definitely anti-jats.

Regards.

JAT - Just And True
 
Sehrawatji,

In agreeing with your facts here I want to reiterate that I never said I support Congress. My objection is to Jats joining BJP/RSS and that's why I brought the name of E.V. Ramaswammy Naicker. The basis of RSS/BJP ideology is the traditionl Hindu religion and it breeds subservience/reverence. Unless it is eradicated we as Jats or as India will never progress.

The point I made is that though my family background is strictly non-Congress, I am much strongly opposed to BJP/RSS. For example, the heated exchange I mentioned earlier when in 1957 or so the Jat leader Sardar Harlal Singh (the Sardar was just a title given to him by local Jats and he was not a Sardar) blasted Nehru by saying that "Congress apke baap ki zayadad nahin hai". He could do that the congress was founded on democatic principles where one can use all kind of tactics (which you and I both do not approve) but one can challenge the authority. It is not possible in ideological parties like BJP/RSS. The dramatic progress made by the Jat community in Rajasthan between 1947 and 1977 (when BJP got in power) was due to the reasonable level of democratic structure in the Congress party. There was a culture of tolerance. The reason I mention people like Harlal Singh and Chaudhary Kumbha Ram Arya is because of their feelings for the broader community. Even though I belonged to a poor but strong anti-Congress family (Kisan Sabha) just because I came first in every exam in school (before going to IIT) I heard words of encouragement from both of them. They did not care where my family was voting.

On the other hand the BJP/RSS culture is based on hatred for their opponents. As a professor my greatest pleasure comes from my students doing well irrespective of their backgrounds. Most of the people in teaching profession are like that. But, I have had teachers who were strong Jan Sangh/RSS (now BJP) and who hated me because I was Jat and best student. This is not some single anecdotal experience as I have met a large number of people with RSS background in north America and their attitude is exactly same. At the same time I want to tell you that I know many progressive Brahmins but they dislike BJP as much as I do.

The two men I identify with the BJP/RSS culture most are Bhairon Singh Sekhawat and Atal Behari Vajpayee. I take offence when a Jat shows reverence for them, and I do not try to hide it at all.

It is not important how many Jats are in a cabinet but what is important is the development of an independent thinking culture, role models for younger people to improve their self confidence and ambitions. I am not seeking any favours for Jat community but just a fair chance which can never be available under a BJP/RSS culture. What I learned from Sardar Harlal Singh and Chaudhary Kumbha Ram Arya was self confidence and straight forwardness and I feel great about it. On the other hand I describe the BJP/RSS culture as one that teches cunningness, dishonesty, superficial politeness, cowardliness, hatred for opponents etc.
 
Dear Dr. Birbal Singhji,

At least one thing has become very clear from this. We are both pure blood jats. You refuge to budge from your stand and I from mine. You know, what is the most difficult job in the world ? To make two jats agree on a point on which they have disagreed once. My guru Principles Hoshiyar Singh used to say "if your conscience tells you what you are doing is right, stick to it till the last", and my conscience and experience tells me that the last five year have been the best in the post-independence India. Congress or BJP, I too even care a hoot. The only thing we must care is that whoever is in power the development of our community must go on. Anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. It has been a healthy discussion. We must keep sharing view points on current issues, what if we look at them from different angles. Thanks.

JAT - Just And True
 
Dr. Birbal Singh (May 15, 2004 02:17 p.m.):
Ramandeep,

The ideology of RSS is based on the traditional Hinduism which decides your fate on the basis of birth. The ideology is permanent so it is not important to give some recent evidence against it. I am not limiting to my own experiences. Baburao Patel (he became an MP in 60s) was bright but a poor peasant's son in Maharastra and once his father told a big Hindu leader that my son wants to become a lawyer when he grows up. The leader replied "why, have all the Brahmins dead". The mentality is permanent.

As far as Muslims are concerned I am just stating a stark fact that they have gone back to the middle ages and all they are capable of doing now is to harm themselves. The countries you named other than Israel are almost 100% Muslim and look at their state. Would you like India to be like them?

As far as Israel is concerned, it is the location that makes them target and I am sure they are capable of dealing with it. By the way, my only son, a radiologist is married and my daghter-in-law is Israeli and has part of her family still living in Israel. I have personal interest in the welfare of Israel. So, I am not trying to be sympathetic to Muslims, just bringing out the factual situation.

I am trying to relate the downfall of Islam to the potential danger to India from BJP/RSS ideology because when it comes to fundamentalism all religions have serious negative potential. The fundmentalists essentially bring down a sociey by stifling free and open debate on issues of importance.

Since I am rather old and have been out of India for a long time but kept up with the goings on not only in India but most of the world I can provide lot of evidence of dangers of fundamentalism everywhere including India.

The ideologies like BJP/RSS that include other fundamentalists like Muslims and Christian fundamentalists tend to dumb down a society. If you know something about USA you will know that the states where Christian fundamentalists are stronger are the ones with lower standards of education, income and tolerance. That is the same reason the Indian heartland where BJP is gaining influence (Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgard, UP, Haryana, Bihar) is falling behind the southern part of the country.
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Dear Birbal Singh Ji,

Ram Ram!

If the RSS idealogy is based heavily on traditional hindu values Re: caste, then what is your opinion of the Sikh wing of the RSS, the Rashtriya Sikh Sangat?! Surely that too can not also be based on that?

Also, are you trying to imply that Arya Samajhi's can not truly be incorporated into Sangh Parivar idealogy?

And also ... more specific to 2004:
could you tell me how jat leaders such as Kishan Singh Sangwan (BJP MP) and Rattan Lal Kataria (BJP state president) are bad news for the Jats? Without going into your experiences from the 50's/60's.

finally, you write: "If you know something about USA you will know that the states where Christian fundamentalists are stronger are the ones with lower standards of education, income and tolerance. That is the same reason the Indian heartland where BJP is gaining influence (Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgard, UP, Haryana, Bihar) is falling behind the southern part of the country."

... could you please explain: (i) Punjab (BJP has 3/3 there incl. Amritsar), (ii) Gujarat and Maharashtra are 50-50 between Congress on one-side and BJP/Shiv Sena on the other. And (iii) before this election, Delhi was a 7/7 BJP stronghold. Are you trying to imply the likes of Sajjan Kumar and Jagdeesh Tytler are better leaders and people are no longer "dumber" for voting the likes of them in?
 
Dear Ramandeep,

I will try to answer all your questions to the best of my ability.

I am not familiar with the Rastriya Sikh Sangat so I can no comment on that.

As far as the Arya Samaj is concerned, Swami Dayanada formulated it to take India to genuine Vedic values as opposed to the corrupt Sanatana Dharma (the basis of RSS). I read the whole Satyartha Prakash long time ago and the Sammullas (chapter) that most fascinated me was the one which desribed several stories describing the phony practices of Hindu religion. The one I have told my children many times about the story of the death of a Jat's father and how the crooked Brahmin stole his best cow as it was needed for the father to cross the Vaitrani River on his way to the heaven on the thirteenth day. The Jat gave the cow but took it back on the fourteenth day and the Brahmin said your father will go to narak but the Jat said he will not be able to cross the vaitrani so he is safe in heaven. The point I am trying to make is that Arya Samaj was formed to take us away from the evils o hinduism which RSS/BJP represents. In my opinion Swami Dayanand was a kindlier and holier version of E.V. Ramaswammy Naicker, but I keep on repeating that we really need a Naicker. The Arya Samaj is strongly against Murti Puja. How can an Arya Samaji fight to build a temple that will have Murtis? Arya Samaj allows any one to become a pundit which is strictly prohibited in Hinduism. You may be a great supporter of BJP/RSS but let me tell you there are still temples (in 2004!) that will not allow you to enter because you are a Jat though I have never had an interest to enter a temple.

Next question.

Let me tell you that one can never be a role model for a community while serving a group that is basically based on considering that community as inferior. Even during the imes of legalized slavery there were few slaves who got considerable power but that does not mean they could do any good to their community. The negative impact I fear from BJP/RSS values is the slow degradation of the role of women which comes with any fundamentalist group irrespective of religion. Let me give personal example again.

When we came to Canada over 30 years ago there were not many Indians to socialize with and unfortunately most of them were RSS types (we did not have many educated people in our community those days). The prevalent culture was for the woman of th house to take an ordinary clerical job and there was lot of social interaction essentially forming a subculture of traditional Indian values including crude jokes about Jats/Sikhs which I totally despise. Though we came from extremely poor background but I was not going to accept my wife to have a menial job all her life so she enrolled for M.A. in political science. I remember once in a gathering lot of people laughing about that and the senior Hindu leader (and RSS activist from back home) told me one should keep one's MAHATVAAKANKSHA (ambitions) according to background (meaning what more I want as a Jat). It was not long before my wife became the seniormost Indian woman civil servant (Deputy Registrar General) and hundreds of thousands of people had the name Indira Singh stamped on their birth and Marriage certificates as a permanent record. She got lot of calls over the years from Jat Sikhs and Indian young girls as how proud they felt that one of their own reached such a high position and that Indian woman in Canada do not have to limit their ambitions to just become clerks. (By the way, in 2004, the feelings of BJP types are one of zealousy and not of happines) I know lot of Indian woman who have competence but stay down because the culture I am trying to oppose so vehementally. So, to be a role model and useful to community one does not have to be subservient to some high leader.

Regarding the final question you are putting too much emphasis just on the outcome of election. If you look carefully at the election data you find that BJP got nearly the same votes as the last time but lost purely due to our electoral system. But the general trend is that BJP is gaining influence in the Hindu heartland since their low point in 1984 when they just got 2 seats in the parliament. As their influence rises I see the region continue to fall behind the rest of India. Remember, at the time of separation in 1947 Pakistan was substantially better off than India partly because Gandhi and Nehru were too kind in nature and Pakistan got the best irrigated land. But only Jinna and Liaqat Ali were true progressive leaders in Pakistan and their quick death led Pakistan in the direction BJP will take India into. While India built IITs Pakistan built Madrasas and fifty year later you see the difference. I do not want India to be in the same state one generation latter. BJP/RSS is a curse waiting to destroy India.
 
dear all
my intentions have been very clear here , i am neither in favour of congress nor BJP. what my idea for the progress of jats is like this ...

we should have jat leader who is beyong the physical boundaries of delhi , haryana, rajasthan , and western up . we need jat leader who can unite people across the state boundaries and work as formidable force at the centre . who can get statehood to western up .
who can bargain centre for the development projects .

look at the rail connectivity of these regions , there is a lot that needs to be done ?

why didnt metro project led till bahadurgarh /najabgarh ?

education standard and development projects?

only if jats can find a good leader who can unite our people and lead them in right direction , will make jats fortunate and prospereous .

thank u , regards
 
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