nathu ram godse was wrong or we ?

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rohit62 said:
even if you differ with someone ideologically, b,coz of the interests of your faith ,race or community,it doesn;t give you a right to kill someone .gandhi very much deserved titles like mahatama, bapu etc,
when the entire state machinery had failed to stop the kolkatta riots, a frail looking man made the hindu an muslims walk hand in hand. it must have been some thing in him ,which made 2 communities out to kill each other walk hand in hand. do v have a leader like him 2day? nooooooo.
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For the first time I have read your post now...:D and I agree that each person's ideology is a bit different. So, let me first tell you that I am not here to make anyone change his/her ideology. Even two persons having different ideology on few issue can be very good friends.

As you are talking about the Calcutta Riots, started (August 1946) by Muslim League(as the Muslim league was in power in Bengal at that time and they fully supported the muslims) demanding for the separate Pakistan. I dont want to go into the details as you might be knowing some of it...:p

Now, it was not Gandhi who actually did a miracle and stopped the Riots. Those riots were stopped on the intentions of Mr. Jinnah and Muslim League as their demand for a separate Pakistan was agreed upon by Congress later as the Coalition govt (to which English transferred power)was simply unworkable.

Miracle would had been if Gandhi caused the riots to cease without a separate Pakistan.

And why Nathuram V. Godse killed Gandhi, just see my links provided...!;)

My dear ROHIT, I think that I can atleast give sufficient reasons for my sayings...!

Anyways, Be COOOOLLL... :D:p;) !
 
cooljat said:
Ladai Ladai maaf karo Gandhiji ko yaad karo

Gandhiji Ahimsa ka pujari tha.....lekin uski fotu usi cheez pe chep di jiski sabse jyada ladai hai......guess wats that???

Sahi Jawab dene wale ko Inaam milega....barabar milega

On a serious note: if he is sucha celebrated Bapu/Mahatma in India n abroad ofcourse, why dont we follow his path ....why the hell we expenditure soooo much on defence .... 24% of budget????



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Jit
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Jit Bhai, I real fear if INDIA is spending 24% of Budget on defence...:eek:

I think to my knowledge it is just 14% of the Budget (about 2.5% of GDP) for the current Fiscal Year !:)

And I would feel happy to be proved wrong !:p;)

And I guess u r talking about 'MAYA' (Rupaiya)...:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D
 
cooljat said:
Ladai Ladai maaf karo Gandhiji ko yaad karo :p:p:p

Gandhiji Ahimsa ka pujari tha.....lekin uski fotu usi cheez pe chep di jiski sabse jyada ladai hai......guess wats that??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Sahi Jawab dene wale ko Inaam milega....barabar milega ;););)

On a serious note: if he is sucha celebrated Bapu/Mahatma in India n abroad ofcourse, why dont we follow his path ....why the hell we expenditure soooo much on defence .... 24% of budget????



Rock on
Jit
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but jit those very notes serve a peaceful n amicable way to sort out matters most times. u show 100 bucks to cop n u cn flout rules withut whipping of cops. tht saves cops being violent. in any case bapu is encouraging non-violence. lol
 
Who says he was a Mahatma/Bapu.

What he did for the Nation ? who is following his way ? what is Ram Rajya and where is that Ramrajya ? Today the biggest follower of Gandhi are not even accepting Ram's existance. Then what is the benefit of Gandhis thoughts. We only appreciat him by putting his photo on Currency or some statues on roads and congressies making him familier for their own benefits otherwise nobody ready to follow gandhian thoughts. His preechings "Bura Mat Dekho, Bura mat Suno, Bura Mat Bollo" who is following? tell us single gandhian who follow these things.

Gandhi gave this nation Muslims and congress making them everything inspite of thier every bed precatice. If they devide india then why these muslims are here, only becasue of Gandhi then whose father was he ? surely not ours.
 
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tell us single gandhian who follow these things.
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koi nahi hai..kyoki in cheezo ko follow karne ke liye himaat chaiye..jo hai nai apan logo maie..

skarmveer said:
Gandhi gave this nation Muslims and congress making them everything inspite of thier every bed precatice. If they devide india then why these muslims are here, only becasue of Gandhi then whose father was he ? surely not ours.
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bhaishaab kuch aur bi hai kya iske alawa kehne ko.. kaan pak gaye saci maie aise aise sade gale arguments sun sun kar..
 
Honestly I don't know..who was right???

Hello All Jat Members,
I read most of the thread and the inputs of the honorable members were
very well researched and thought provoking. I don’t know much about the Indian history but ya I gathered some
information from my textbooks, my family and Internet and sharing with you.
Please feel free to correct or update the stuff to make this thread more knowledgeable.
No. of nations that got independence from 1946 to Dec 1949 is
approximately 15.

Namely:
IndependenceDay Nation
23-Sep-32 Saudi Arabia
3-Oct-32 Iraq
22-Nov-43 Lebanon
17-Jun-44 Iceland
17-Apr-46 Syria
25-May-46 Jordan
4-Jul-46 Philippines
15-Aug-47 Hindustan and adopts the formal name India
30-Dec-47 Romania
4-Jan-48 Myanmar
4-Feb-48 Ceylon
14-May-48 Israel
15-Aug-48 Republic of Korea
9-Sep-48 Democratic People's Republic of Korea
1-Apr-49 Republic of Ireland
23-May-49 Federal Republic of Germany
8-Aug-49 Bhutan
1-Oct-49 People's Republic of China
7-Oct-49 German Democratic Republic
27-Dec-49 Indonesia

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_date_of_nationhood

I don’t know a common reason why 15 countries got freedom in such a short span of time.

It seems to me that we had only Mr. Gandhi alive to take the credit of freedom at that time among all major the freedom fighters.

Netaji
Bhagat Singh
Gandhiji
Bal Gangadhar Tilak
Khudiram Bose
Ramaprasad Bismil
Ashfaqulla Khan
Azad
n list can go on.........

However when Mr. Gandhi came to India, our country was divide into different
states and India was not united and at that time he contributed tremendously to give us unity. "Humien Ekta ke sutra mein piroya"

When I read Indian history I didn’t see much instances of harsh treatment given by British to him as they were doing with the other freedom fighters apart from one famous push from a Train compartment that made Mr. Gandhi a Mahatma that too in SA.

INTERVIEW WITH VICEROY (GANDHIJI’S REPORT)
February 18, 1931
"I told him : “This has no connection with our discussion,
and it may even be inappropriate on my part to mention it. But if you want to make
the present atmosphere more favorable, you should suspend Bhagat Singh’s
execution.” The Viceroy liked this very much. He said : “I am very greateful to you
that you have put this thing before me in this manner. Commutation of sentence is a
difficult thing, but suspension is certainly word considering.”
I said about Bhagat Singh: “He is undoubtedly a brave man but
I would certainly say that he is not in his right mind. However, this is
the evil of capital punishment, that it gives no opportunity to such a
man to reform himself. I am putting this matter before you as a
humanitarian issue and desire suspension of sentence in order that
there may not be unnecessary turmoil in the country. I myself would
release him, but I cannot expect any Government to do so. I would
not take it ill even if you do not give any reply on this issue.”"

(v=VICEROY, G=GANDHI)
V. Subhas is not a member of the Working Committee.
G. No, he is not. And he is my opponent and will denounce me;still, if he wants to attend, we must give him a chance to do so.

http://www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/VOL051.PDF

Mahatma Gandhi on the Martyrdom of Bhagat Singh
Bhagat Singh and his two associates have been hanged. The Congress made many attempts to save their lives and the Government entertained many hopes of it, but all has been in a vain.
.....................
Let us bow to them a thousand times for their heroism.
But we should not imitate their act. In our land of millions of destitute and crippled people, if we take to the practice of seeking justice through murder, there will be a terrifying situation. Our poor people will become victims of our atrocities. By making a dharma of violence, we shall be reaping the fruit of our own actions.
http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/onbhagatsingh.htm



Partition of India
Estimates of the number of deaths range around roughly 500,000, with low estimates at 200,000 and high estimates at 1,000,000.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India


But I don’t know why we have the name of Gandhi everywhere in our country may be it is a BRAND and congress is selling him to get votes.

And the thread started with a question
"nathu ram godse was wrong or we ? "

I know we are not right but Godse was also wrong. He should have given a chance to Mr. Gandhi to let him see the consequences of theory of non-violence and may be then he would have been come up with a better solution of the problems of India.
And some of our JL members could have asked him if we are separating India on the basis of Religion then why Muslims are still here...But now nobody is going to ans this just they will sell BRAND and Indian people will buy it without questioning blindly. So, may be because of Godse we lost all the answers to the questions that are still present in our minds and Mr. Gandhi would have made a difference in that.

HEY RAM

....Not sure who said this Congress or Gandhi...
 
great info sirji...



paveldahiya said:
Hello All Jat Members,
I read most of the thread and the inputs of the honorable members were
very well researched and thought provoking. I don’t know much about the Indian history but ya I gathered some
information from my textbooks, my family and Internet and sharing with you.
Please feel free to correct or update the stuff to make this thread more knowledgeable.
No. of nations that got independence from 1946 to Dec 1949 is
approximately 15.

Namely:
IndependenceDay Nation
23-Sep-32 Saudi Arabia
3-Oct-32 Iraq
22-Nov-43 Lebanon
17-Jun-44 Iceland
17-Apr-46 Syria
25-May-46 Jordan
4-Jul-46 Philippines
15-Aug-47 Hindustan and adopts the formal name India
30-Dec-47 Romania
4-Jan-48 Myanmar
4-Feb-48 Ceylon
14-May-48 Israel
15-Aug-48 Republic of Korea
9-Sep-48 Democratic People's Republic of Korea
1-Apr-49 Republic of Ireland
23-May-49 Federal Republic of Germany
8-Aug-49 Bhutan
1-Oct-49 People's Republic of China
7-Oct-49 German Democratic Republic
27-Dec-49 Indonesia

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_date_of_nationhood

I don’t know a common reason why 15 countries got freedom in such a short span of time.

It seems to me that we had only Mr. Gandhi alive to take the credit of freedom at that time among all major the freedom fighters.

Netaji
Bhagat Singh
Gandhiji
Bal Gangadhar Tilak
Khudiram Bose
Ramaprasad Bismil
Ashfaqulla Khan
Azad
n list can go on.........

However when Mr. Gandhi came to India, our country was divide into different
states and India was not united and at that time he contributed tremendously to give us unity. "Humien Ekta ke sutra mein piroya"

When I read Indian history I didn’t see much instances of harsh treatment given by British to him as they were doing with the other freedom fighters apart from one famous push from a Train compartment that made Mr. Gandhi a Mahatma that too in SA.

INTERVIEW WITH VICEROY (GANDHIJI’S REPORT)
February 18, 1931
"I told him : “This has no connection with our discussion,
and it may even be inappropriate on my part to mention it. But if you want to make
the present atmosphere more favorable, you should suspend Bhagat Singh’s
execution.” The Viceroy liked this very much. He said : “I am very greateful to you
that you have put this thing before me in this manner. Commutation of sentence is a
difficult thing, but suspension is certainly word considering.”
I said about Bhagat Singh: “He is undoubtedly a brave man but
I would certainly say that he is not in his right mind. However, this is
the evil of capital punishment, that it gives no opportunity to such a
man to reform himself. I am putting this matter before you as a
humanitarian issue and desire suspension of sentence in order that
there may not be unnecessary turmoil in the country. I myself would
release him, but I cannot expect any Government to do so. I would
not take it ill even if you do not give any reply on this issue.”"

(v=VICEROY, G=GANDHI)
V. Subhas is not a member of the Working Committee.
G. No, he is not. And he is my opponent and will denounce me;still, if he wants to attend, we must give him a chance to do so.

http://www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/VOL051.PDF

Mahatma Gandhi on the Martyrdom of Bhagat Singh
Bhagat Singh and his two associates have been hanged. The Congress made many attempts to save their lives and the Government entertained many hopes of it, but all has been in a vain.
.....................
Let us bow to them a thousand times for their heroism.
But we should not imitate their act. In our land of millions of destitute and crippled people, if we take to the practice of seeking justice through murder, there will be a terrifying situation. Our poor people will become victims of our atrocities. By making a dharma of violence, we shall be reaping the fruit of our own actions.
http://www.kamat.com/mmgandhi/onbhagatsingh.htm



Partition of India
Estimates of the number of deaths range around roughly 500,000, with low estimates at 200,000 and high estimates at 1,000,000.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India


But I don’t know why we have the name of Gandhi everywhere in our country may be it is a BRAND and congress is selling him to get votes.

And the thread started with a question
"nathu ram godse was wrong or we ? "

I know we are not right but Godse was also wrong. He should have given a chance to Mr. Gandhi to let him see the consequences of theory of non-violence and may be then he would have been come up with a better solution of the problems of India.
And some of our JL members could have asked him if we are separating India on the basis of Religion then why Muslims are still here...But now nobody is going to ans this just they will sell BRAND and Indian people will buy it without questioning blindly. So, may be because of Godse we lost all the answers to the questions that are still present in our minds and Mr. Gandhi would have made a difference in that.

HEY RAM

....Not sure who said this Congress or Gandhi...
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When ever this Gandhi Discussed these facts will also their.

If we discussed the name which is not good for us will defanitly smel. Favour me boley to sahi or sahi baat kahi to wo sadi -gali hai.

Shree Nathuram godsey je ney abhut achchha kaam kiya nahi to yea so colled mahatma pata nahi kya-kya dey-deta pakistan ko or rehta fir bhee yanhi.

Sabhi key apney apney vichar hai isliyea pasand nahi aayea to ismey meri koi galti nahi hai.


mukeshkumar007 said:
koi nahi hai..kyoki in cheezo ko follow karne ke liye himaat chaiye..jo hai nai apan logo maie..



bhaishaab kuch aur bi hai kya iske alawa kehne ko.. kaan pak gaye saci maie aise aise sade gale arguments sun sun kar..
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bhai mein te sirf nu dekhon tha aak..
ek reply meine likha tha poori infgo gather kar ke ..2 hrs mein..:D
aur ek bina baat 1 min mein..sirf yeh dekhne ke liye ki JL kis mien interested hian..However I know Change in inevitable ..but on should stop think and then change for better perspective ....shld not change to just for a change..:D:D
 
paveldahiya said:
bhai mein te sirf nu dekhon tha aak..
ek reply meine likha tha poori infgo gather kar ke ..2 hrs mein..:D
aur ek bina baat 1 min mein..sirf yeh dekhne ke liye ki JL kis mien interested hian..However I know Change in inevitable ..but on should stop think and then change for better perspective ....shld not change to just for a change..:D:D
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Hmmmm..Bhai I acclaim ur efforts that u gathered info for 2 hrs...!:)

But bhai aap last over me aaye...And the match was already over...!

Now a new series has started...You are invited there to part in that new series...OF ELITE JATS...:D
 
vairesatendra said:
Hmmmm..Bhai I acclaim ur efforts that u gathered info for 2 hrs...!:)

But bhai aap last over me aaye...And the match was already over...!

Now a new series has started...You are invited there to part in that new series...OF ELITE JATS...:D
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Bhai match ka fiasla to last over mein hi hota hia...:D :D :D
 
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