nathu ram godse was wrong or we ?

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aarey bhai parshante.......... tanne laage sai ghani ee baat sunn raakhi sain chapaada me boodhyaa kii............ do u know or heard anyone who atleast met n stayed with Gandhi..............

arr vo 16-16 saal ki chhoriyaa gelyaa kolli bharoo haande thaa......... par ferr bhi log usne Babu kave the........ bhai kabhi kabhi hamme duniyaa ki bhi sunn-ni chahiye.......sabhi jhooth nahi boll sakte......aap ko poori knowledge nahi hai.... jo mujhe bhi nahi hai... per itnaaa hai ki tu bahut jyadaa galat hai.......arr bhai ghane rooke maaran me kimme naa dharyaa........arr bhai aapne app ne Danger manno so....... to koi kimme nahi kah saktaaa........
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Bhai ramlaal...............sunn le kerek
"tanne laage sai ghani ee baat sunn raakhi sain chapaada me boodhyaa kii............
Jo 5-7 darje padh ke aapne badde nu baawal simjhya kare na.....wo *** khatte haandya karre..........arr ek baat sun lye hum untai paidda hue we mharre te ppaidda kona hue......

bhai kabhi kabhi hamme duniyaa ki bhi sunn-ni chahiye.......
Duniya ke sunne jibbhi to india main sab tai ghanee hypocrates hai.......baas image banni chaiye.......haan main haan karuu jaange....einbb rafukarr ka matbal simajh jaaga tu.............

......... par ferr bhi log usne Babu kave the.......
JL pe to kuch ussne foofa bhi banan ne ho rye hai.....

aap ko poori knowledge nahi hai....
daangra ne knowledge ka matbal hi na pata hotta........:p

jo mujhe bhi nahi hai...
Tu bhi neera hi daanger deekhe..:p

arr bhai ghane rooke maaran me kimme naa dharyaa........arr bhai aapne app ne Danger manno so....... to koi kimme nahi kah saktaaa........

arr baawli tareed fer bhi itni line likh gya tu............tu daangru ki varieties main sabtai tarlee darje main deekhe........;);)
 
Jaats are goverened by these hukka ppl...not by cheeku-meeku always busy at Macdonald eating burgars...............ROOKKKA@ burgar.................
 
prashantacmet said:
Bhai ramlaal...............sunn le kerek
"tanne laage sai ghani ee baat sunn raakhi sain chapaada me boodhyaa kii............
Jo 5-7 darje padh ke aapne badde nu baawal simjhya kare na.....wo *** khatte haandya karre..........arr ek baat sun lye hum untai paidda hue we mharre te ppaidda kona hue......

bhai kabhi kabhi hamme duniyaa ki bhi sunn-ni chahiye.......
Duniya ke sunne jibbhi to india main sab tai ghanee hypocrates hai.......baas image banni chaiye.......haan main haan karuu jaange....einbb rafukarr ka matbal simajh jaaga tu.............

......... par ferr bhi log usne Babu kave the.......
JL pe to kuch ussne foofa bhi banan ne ho rye hai.....

aap ko poori knowledge nahi hai....
daangra ne knowledge ka matbal hi na pata hotta........:p

jo mujhe bhi nahi hai...
Tu bhi neera hi daanger deekhe..:p

arr bhai ghane rooke maaran me kimme naa dharyaa........arr bhai aapne app ne Danger manno so....... to koi kimme nahi kah saktaaa........

arr baawli tareed fer bhi itni line likh gya tu............tu daangru ki varieties main sabtai tarlee darje main deekhe........;);)
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AArei Parshantte......bhai tu iss post ka TARBUUJJ sa kyun bannaya krei....HIGHLIGHT kar kei...tu appne bhejje ki purri baat ek paragraph mei keh diya kar nei....arr tu ke kha ke aaya krrei haddei Jatland pe........sab nei dhowan tahin Nirma dhhoti ki langgadd mein bandhhein handdei sei........Thhodda rajji bi ho jyaya karr beera?
 
devdahiya said:
AArei Parshantte......bhai tu iss post ka TARBUUJJ sa kyun bannaya krei....HIGHLIGHT kar kei...tu appne bhejje ki purri baat ek paragraph mei keh diya kar nei....arr tu ke kha ke aaya krrei haddei Jatland pe........sab nei dhowan tahin Nirma dhhoti ki langgadd mein bandhhein handdei sei........Thhodda rajji bi ho jyaya karr beera?
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Dahiya ji.........main ke karuu....iss gandhi tai majhe ghani nafrat hai...isne bhagat singh marwa diya tha....***** ke beez ne...........eibb iski baat sunke ruka kona jaatya.....na merri ke JL pe dollbandi horri hai ek main aapna khopra laal karwaama.........:p....jaisse sabne apne vichhar prakat kiye hai gandhi ke baare main .........main bhi 2-4 baat kah di........eibb isme koi chhoo main aawwee to main ke karu................:):).....eibb aapne kah di..aage tai ek bhi post kona likhu iss thread main...............
 
Like Sunita have said that I found few good things about gandhi but couldnt find the reason for accepting him for such big hasti that people will sing ....Father of nation ... Mahatma .... Dila di humein ajadi bina khadag bina dhal.

Haan itna hai ki he was a freedom fighter and have certain qualities due to which he was a mass leader at that time. Also he was not greedy like Nehru too.

He did some mistakes like ...

1) Bhagat Singh bail issue. Elders can bring more light on this.
2) 1935-38 mein he was defeated twice by Subash chander bose in his own party congress. Then why he got so furious instead of correcting himself and finghting among party for his thoughts. He gone for bhook hadtal and later on netaji resigned and build up forward block.
3) Though Patel was the leader choosen by party members and was more capable than this Nehru, Why gandhi favoured and deceived again.
4) Its ok we dont say Nathu ram did right .... but why his proceedings not published and also his trial was all hidden till date?
5) As told by others .... Why gandhi is seen having two ladies by his side to support him? We can say it narrow mindedness but kabhi to aadmi bhi dikh sakte hein ...
 
Strongly Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!

May be Gandhi wud be gud for somethings but not gud enough to be called Father of Nation....for me He is Sheer Opportunist/Politician!!! :mad::mad::mad:

Gud point raised Bhai Hooda!!! :)

I Hate Gandhi....Simple & Clear!! period.


Rock on
Jit

jitendershooda said:
Like Sunita have said that I found few good things about gandhi but couldnt find the reason for accepting him for such big hasti that people will sing ....Father of nation ... Mahatma .... Dila di humein ajadi bina khadag bina dhal.

Haan itna hai ki he was a freedom fighter and have certain qualities due to which he was a mass leader at that time. Also he was not greedy like Nehru too.

He did some mistakes like ...

1) Bhagat Singh bail issue. Elders can bring more light on this.
2) 1935-38 mein he was defeated twice by Subash chander bose in his own party congress. Then why he got so furious instead of correcting himself and finghting among party for his thoughts. He gone for bhook hadtal and later on netaji resigned and build up forward block.
3) Though Patel was the leader choosen by party members and was more capable than this Nehru, Why gandhi favoured and deceived again.
4) Its ok we dont say Nathu ram did right .... but why his proceedings not published and also his trial was all hidden till date?
5) As told by others .... Why gandhi is seen having two ladies by his side to support him? We can say it narrow mindedness but kabhi to aadmi bhi dikh sakte hein ...
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To all of you here in this discussion

Hmmmm...:D...Mka Kati Kalesh kar raakhi inghe to...is Gandhi ku leke...!

Hey folks even I too would like to join this discussion...:D...thoda dat jyao...raat me aaunga...Gandhi...ha ha ha...:D...:eek:
 
mahatama

here in the UN mission in ethopia, whenever people ask me which country i come from , i say INDIA, they say,, ooohh ,, mahatama gandhi, i say yes,, they say ,aah ,great man. and here we have representatives from all african countaries most latin american countaries, some european countaries ,china, an some asian countaries.
thier unanimous verdict on gandhi is ---- ;a very great man'

and here in our own country, GANDHIJI
ke naam pe kisse ke aag bal ja se, koi nafrat ki aag me ji ra se.
in our library we have biography,s of all indian ,an most world leaders , gandhiji,s biography is the most read and the only indian leader read by the international staff here.
deviyo aur sajano , he is the face of our great countary outside. kuch toh kuch toh , ijjat baksho is mahan atma ko.

aur doosri aur issi JL pe hum bade gorav is kahte hain ki mallika sharawat jat se. ib is baat ko lekar koi mat chipat jayo mere.
 
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yes,people identify us with mahatma.tajmahal,mahatma gandhi and snakecharmers these r the 3 things people identify us with.i never knew snakecharmers of india r so famous.
rohit62 said:
here in the UN mission in ethopia, whenever people ask me which country i come from , i say INDIA, they say,, ooohh ,, mahatama gandhi, i say yes,, they say ,aah ,great man. and here we have representatives from all african countaries most latin american countaries, some european countaries ,china, an some asian countaries.
thier unanimous verdict on gandhi is ---- ;a very great man'

and here in our own country, GANDHIJI
ke naam pe kisse ke aag bal ja se, koi nafrat ki aag me ji ra se.
in our library we have biography,s of all indian ,an most world leaders , gandhiji,s biography is the most read and the only indian leader read by the international staff here.
deviyo aur sajano , he is the face of our great countary outside. kuch toh kuch toh , ijjat baksho is mahan atma ko.

aur doosri aur issi JL pe hum bade gorav is kahte hain ki mallika sharawat jat se. ib is baat ko lekar koi mat chipat jayo mere.
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jitendershooda said:
Like Sunita have said that I found few good things about gandhi but couldnt find the reason for accepting him for such big hasti that people will sing ....Father of nation ... Mahatma .... Dila di humein ajadi bina khadag bina dhal.

Haan itna hai ki he was a freedom fighter and have certain qualities due to which he was a mass leader at that time. Also he was not greedy like Nehru too.

He did some mistakes like ...

1) Bhagat Singh bail issue. Elders can bring more light on this.
2) 1935-38 mein he was defeated twice by Subash chander bose in his own party congress. Then why he got so furious instead of correcting himself and finghting among party for his thoughts. He gone for bhook hadtal and later on netaji resigned and build up forward block.
3) Though Patel was the leader choosen by party members and was more capable than this Nehru, Why gandhi favoured and deceived again.
4) Its ok we dont say Nathu ram did right .... but why his proceedings not published and also his trial was all hidden till date?
5) As told by others .... Why gandhi is seen having two ladies by his side to support him? We can say it narrow mindedness but kabhi to aadmi bhi dikh sakte hein ...
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Some good points have been raise by Hooda Bhai, and I too would like to add some of the points.

I have tried not to make the post murkier...:D

And Hooda Bhai, your 5th point is really very nice...lolz...on that point...:D;):D
 
BLUNDERS of GANDHI

Well, respected members, we have been talking about two people and none of the two peoples, neither Gandhi(I wont call him Mahatma) nor respected Nathuram Vinayak Godse are present in our times. But still we know a lot about them and many others. Gandhi . I will say that Gandhi was a Political leader and wished to be a Despotic Ruler of the Congress as he has swayed many decisions. Even the Britishers knew it very well and thus they used to held talks with him or Nehru, not to other leaders.

It is simply not true that India’s Independence was the fruit of Gandhian non-violent agitation. He was close to the British in terms of culture and shared ethical values, which is why sometimes he could successfully bargain with them, but even they stood firm against his pressure when their vital interests were at stake. It is only Britain’s bankruptcy due to World War 2 and the emergence of the anti-colonial United States and Soviet Union as the dominant world powers that forced Clement Attlee’s government into decolonising India. Even then, the trigger events in 1945-47 that demonstrated how the Indian people would not tolerate British rule for much longer, had to do with armed struggle rather than with non-violence: the naval mutiny of Indian troops and the ostentatious nationwide support for the officers of Neta Ji Subhash Bose’s Axis-collaborationist Indian National Army when they stood trial for treason in the Red Fort.



Let me present some of the Blunders of Gandhi:-

1). Recruiting Indian soldiers for the British war effort in 1914-18 without setting any conditions, in the vain hope that this unilateral gift to Britain would bring about sufficient goodwill in London for conceding to India the status of a self-ruling dominion within the British Empire, on a par with Canada or Australia. While it was already off line for a pacifist to cooperate in such a wasteful war (as contrasted with World War 2, to both sides a kind of holy war where fundamental principles were at stake), Gandhi’s stance was also a glaring failure of political skill, since he neglected to extract any tangible gains for India in return for the thousands of Indian lives which he sacrificed to British imperial interests.

2). Committing the mobilisation potential of the freedom movement to the Khilafat agitation in 1920-22, again a non-negotiated unilateral gift. The Khilafat movement was a tragicomical mistake, aiming at the restoration of the Ottoman Caliphate against which the Arabs had risen in revolt and which the Turks were dissolving, a process completed with the final abolition of the institution of the Caliphate in 1924. It was a purely retrograde and reactionary movement, and more importantly for Indian nationalism, it was an intrinsically anti-nationalist movement pitting specifically Islamic interests against secular and non-Muslim interests. Gandhi made the mistake of hubris by thinking he could reconcile Khilafatism and Indian nationalism, and he also offended his Muslim allies (who didn’t share his commitment to non-violence) by calling off the agitation when it turned violent. The result was even more violence, with massive Hindu-Muslim riots replacing the limited instances of anti-British attacks, just as many level-headed freedom fighters had predicted. Gandhiji failed to take the Khilafat movement seriously whether at the level of principle or of practical politics, and substituted his own imagined and idealized reading of the Khilafat doctrine for reality.

3). His autocratic decision to call off the mass agitation for complete independence in 1931, imposed upon his mass following and his close lieutenants against their wishes and better judgment, in exchange for a few puny British concessions falling far short of the movement’s demands. His reputation abroad didn’t suffer, but to informed observers, he had thrown away his aura as an idealist leader standing above petty politics; the Pact between Gandhi and Viceroy Lord Irwin amounted to the sacrifice of a high national goal in favour of a petty rise in status for the Congress. Also, every delay in the declaration of Independence gave the emerging separatist forces the time to organize and to strengthen their position.

4). Taking a confused and wavering position vis-vis India’s involvement in World War 2. His initial refusal to commit India to the war effort could have been justified on grounds of pacifist principle as well as national pride (the Viceroy had committed India without consulting the native leadership), but it was a failure because his followers weren’t following. Indian recruits and business suppliers of the Army eagerly joined hands with the British rulers, thus sidelining Gandhi into political irrelevance. By contrast, the Muslim League greatly improved its bargaining positions by joining the war effort, an effect not counterbalanced by the small Hindu Mahasabha’s similar strategy. The pro-Partition case which the Muslim League advocated was bolstered while Gandhi’s opposition to the imminent Partition was badly weakened. Gandhi was humiliated by his impotence before the degeneration of his “Quit India” agitation into violence and by ultimately having to come around to a collaborationist position himself.

5). Taking a confused and wavering position vis-୶is the Partition plan, including false promises to the Hindus of the designated Pakistani areas to prevent Partition or at least to prevent their violent expulsion. He chose not to use his weapon of a fast unto death to force Mohammed Ali Jinnah into backing down from Partition, a move which cast doubt on the much-touted bravery of all his other fasts “unto death” performed to pressurize more malleable opponents. If acquiescing in the Partition could still be justified as a matter of inevitability, there was no excuse for his insistence on half measures, viz. his rejecting plans for an organized exchange of population, certainly a lesser evil when compared to the bloody religious cleansing that actually took place. Gentle surgeons make stinking wounds.

6). Refusing to acknowledge that Pakistan had become an enemy state after its invasion of Kashmir, by undertaking a fast unto death in order to force the Indian government to pay Pakistan 55 crore rupees from the British-Indian treasury. Pakistan was entitled to this money, but given its aggression, it would have been normal to set the termination of its aggression, including the withdrawal of its invading troops, as a condition for the payment. Indeed, that would have been a sterling contribution to the cause of enduring peace, saving the lives of the many thousands who fell in subsequent decades because of the festering wound which Kashmir has remained under partial Pakistani occupation. Coming on top of Gandhi’s abandonment of the Hindus trapped in Pakistan in August 1947, it was this pro-Pakistani demand, as well as his use of his choice moral weapon (left unused to save India’s unity or the persecuted Hindus in Pakistan) in the service of an enemy state’s treasury, that angered a few Hindu activists to the point of plotting his murder.
 
Gandhi On Martyrdom Of Bhagat Singh

These were the saying on the Martyrdom of Bhagat Singh on March 29, 1931…

“Bhagat Singh and his two associates have been hanged. The Congress made many attempts to save their lives and the Government entertained many hopes of it, but all has been in a vain.
Bhagat Singh did not wish to live. He refused to apologize, or even file an appeal. Bhagat Singh was not a devotee of non-violence, but he did not subscribe to the religion of violence. He took to violence due to helplessness and to defend his homeland. In his last letter, Bhagat Singh wrote --" I have been arrested while waging a war. For me there can be no gallows. Put me into the mouth of a cannon and blow me off." These heroes had conquered the fear of death. Let us bow to them a thousand times for their heroism.
But we should not imitate their act. In our land of millions of destitute and crippled people, if we take to the practice of seeking justice through murder, there will be a terrifying situation. Our poor people will become victims of our atrocities. By making a dharma of violence, we shall be reaping the fruit of our own actions.
Hence, though we praise the courage of these brave men, we should never countenance their activities. Our dharma is to swallow our anger, abide by the discipline of non-violence and carry out our duty.”

A lot of the revolutionary youth believed that the Mahatma had not done enough to save Bhagat Singh and they welcomed Mahatma Gandhi with black flowers and garlands when he arrived in Karachi for the Congress session.

And now this is what Martyr Bhagat Singh’s sister Prakash Kaur said “If Mahatma Gandhi and the then Congress leaders, including Jawahar Lal Nehru, had wanted to save Bhagat Singh, they could have easily done it, but they deliberately allowed Bhagat and his associates Sukhdev and Rajguru to be hanged,"

Also she added ” "I am still getting only Rs 2,000 as pension, which was started by former chief minister Rajinder Kaur Bhattal,"

Look this is 21st century and merely 2000 Rs. Really matter of shame for the Government and the people of this country.

At least it feels good that Pakistan People’s Party also observs Bhagat Singh's martyrdom day.


Well! I guess he was not lucky enough to be born into the Nehru-Gandhi parivar. ​
That would have helped. ​


One more thing that Indians must feel proud of is that the district administration of Ludhiana, has dropped the idea of preserving the martyr SUKHDEV's ancestral house in the city, owing to the paucity of funds and lack of proper parking space in the area...:mad::o:o:mad:
 
GODSE's DEFENCE

If you people are having some time...do read this also...

http://ngodse.tripod.com/defense.htm

http://www.indpride.com/nathuramgodse.html

However the Government Of India hasn't revealed the 592 pages statement of Nathuram Godse 's justification of Gandhi's assasination.

Also the members can read the book by the Justice G.D. Khosla's "MURDER OF THE MAHATMA". Justice G.D. KHOSLA was one of the jury members who heared the defence petition of Nathuram Godse.

Justice Khosla, wrote after his retirement:

'There was a deep silence when he ceased speaking. Many women were in tears and men coughing and searching for their handkerchiefs... I have no doubt that had the audience of the day been constituted into a jury and entrusted with the task of deciding Godse's appeal, they would have brought in a verdict of 'not guilty' by an overwhelming majority."
 
dahia ji maaf kar diyo.....par ruka kona gaya...........bhai jitendre singh hooda and satendra bhai.......thaamne merre aatma selli kar di.....eibb logya ne byarra paatega ke kadhhe-kadhhe daanger bhi logic ki baat kah jya hai;):p
 
Gandhi On Kashmir

About Kashmir, Gandhiji again and again declared that Sheikh Abdullah should be entrusted the charge of the State and that the Maharaja of Kashmir should retire to Benares for no particular reason than that the Muslims formed the bulk of the Kashmiri population. This stands out in contrast with his attitude on Hyderabad(HYDERABAD was one of the three states reluctant to join the INDIAN UNION) where although the bulk of the population is Hindu, Gandhiji never called upon the Nizam to retire to Mecca.
 
Gandhi On Creation Of Pakistan And Hindu Massacre

'Gandhiji is being referred to as the Father of the Nation -- an epithet of high reverence. But if so, he has failed in his paternal duty… Had Gandhiji really maintained his opposition to the creation of Pakistan, the Muslim League could have had no strength to claim it and the Britishers also could not have created it in spite of all their utmost efforts… The reason was… the people of this country were… vehement in their opposition to Pakistan. But Gandhiji played false with the people. He has proved to be the Father of Pakistan.

During his prayer meeting on 1 May 1947, he prepared the Hindus and Sikhs for the anticipated massacres of their kind in the upcoming state of Pakistan with these words:

"I would tell the Hindus to face death cheerfully if the Muslims are out to kill them. I would be a real sinner if after being stabbed I wished in my last moment that my son should seek revenge. I must die without rancour. “You may turn round and ask whether all Hindus and all Sikhs should die. Yes, I would say. Such martyrdom will not be in vain.” (Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, vol.LXXXVII, p.394-5).

It is left unexplained what purpose would be served by this senseless and avoidable surrender to murder.


Even when the killing had started, Gandhi refused to take pity on the Hindu victims, much less to point fingers at the Pakistani aggressors. More importantly for the principle of non-violence, he failed to offer them a non-violent technique of countering and dissuading the murderers. Instead, he told the Hindu refugees from Pakistan to go back and die.

On 6 August 1947, Gandhiji commented to Congress workers on the incipient communal conflagration in Lahore thus:

"I am grieved to learn that people are running away from the West Punjab and I am told that Lahore is being evacuated by the non-Muslims. I must say that this is what it should not be. If you think Lahore is dead or is dying, do not run away from it, but die with what you think is the dying Lahore. “ When you suffer from fear you die before death comes to you. That is not glorious. I will not feel sorry if I hear that people in the Punjab have died not as cowards but as brave men. "I cannot be forced to salute any flag. If in that act I am murdered I would bear no ill will against anyone and would rather pray for better sense for the person or persons who murder me.” (Hindustan Times, 8-8-1947, CWoMG, vol. LXXXIX, p.11).

…after handing over crores of Hindus to… Pakistan, Gandhiji and his followers have been advising them not to leave Pakistan but continue to stay on. Every day that dawned brought forth news about thousands of Hindus being massacred… Gandhiji did not even by a single word protest and censure the Pakistani Government…

 
jitendershooda said:
Like Sunita have said that I found few good things about gandhi but couldnt find the reason for accepting him for such big hasti that people will sing ....Father of nation ... Mahatma .... Dila di humein ajadi bina khadag bina dhal.

Haan itna hai ki he was a freedom fighter and have certain qualities due to which he was a mass leader at that time. Also he was not greedy like Nehru too.

He did some mistakes like ...

1) Bhagat Singh bail issue. Elders can bring more light on this.
2) 1935-38 mein he was defeated twice by Subash chander bose in his own party congress. Then why he got so furious instead of correcting himself and finghting among party for his thoughts. He gone for bhook hadtal and later on netaji resigned and build up forward block.
3) Though Patel was the leader choosen by party members and was more capable than this Nehru, Why gandhi favoured and deceived again.
4) Its ok we dont say Nathu ram did right .... but why his proceedings not published and also his trial was all hidden till date?
5) As told by others .... Why gandhi is seen having two ladies by his side to support him? We can say it narrow mindedness but kabhi to aadmi bhi dikh sakte hein ...
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5) As told by others .... Why gandhi is seen having two ladies by his side to support him? We can say it narrow mindedness but kabhi to aadmi bhi dikh sakte hein ...


Thank god so far ppl havnt accused mother teresa being surrounded by male journos from all over d world all d time...to be a male surrounded nymphomaniac...

DIS WAS D LIMIT OF NARROW_MINDEDNESS HOODA (i m sorry 2 say so buddy)
 
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