Nathuram Godse -- Know the truth

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deepender said:
Jitender Bhaisa'ab -

I highlighted the two points from your reply below:
I agree with the first one - it was foolish of me to bring Jinnah or Muslim League in this conversation.

However, I disagree with the second. I don't think Godse was brave guy, on the contrary he was a coward. Gandhi, even after he was made aware of the imminent threat on his life many times, had refused security. Only a coward can shoot a old man with no weapons or means of defence. Godse had every right to disagree with all of Gandhi's ideology (so does anyone of us) but he (or anyone for that matter) had no right to kill him. A braver man would have fought Gandhi on ideology.


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well we are fighting with the desions which gandhi and nehru made. other wise kashimer would not have happned. some times instint doing is much better or wise wht would more happened no one would know.
 
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jitendershooda said:
Bhai Deepender, Donot bring Jinnah and Muslim League anywhere in comparison to Gandhi and Congress as they were both opposite .... by this you are giving them too much height for which they were not at all deserving ...

From the very beginning Muslim league just think of muslims and their own favour and they had nothing much to do with the indian freedom.Gandhi and congress were working for the indian freedom but....

NOT ONLY GANDHI AS IT IS BEING POTRAYED TO THE SCHOOL GOING KIDS IN INDIA .....HE WAS ONE OF THEM

( er bhai mukesh wo 52% isiliye hai ki a school going kid start reading their gungan from the very beginning )

par wo bechara nu LUKHMA KUN MARYA BHARAT SARKAR NE ..... CHORE TAHI TEM BHI NA DIYA LOGA AAGE KIME KAHEN KA .....KIME KAHEN DETE JIBE TE BERA PAT TA, EK KE THI DIMAG MEIN USKE.... IT was not good from democratic country like india ......


I think he was a Marathi and nothing to do much faced during the riots of HINDU-MUSLIM ....after shooting at him he didn;t ran away and even not tried to ran away .....

Kuch Kaho kime te tha jo humne is tem na itna serious lagta, er aaj tahi gandhi gandhi padhte na soch pa rahe ... but that all circumstances made that BRAVE GUY took such a big step ....


Something that is written for the things that might have flooded Godse's mind are :

1. One of the conditions imposed by Gandhi for his breaking of the fast
unto death related to the mosques in Delhi occupied by the Hindu
refugees. But when Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks
he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the
Pakistan Government or the Muslims concerned.

2. Gandhi's pro-Muslim policy is blatantly in his perverse attitude on
the question of the national language of India.

3. He alone was the Judge of everyone and every thing; he was
the master brain guiding the civil disobedience movement; no other
could know the technique of that movement. He alone knew when to begin
and when to withdraw it. The movement might succeed or fail, it might
bring untold disaster and political reverses but that could make no
difference to the Mahatma's infallibility. 'A Satyagrahi can never fail'
was his formula for declaring his own infallibility and nobody except
himself knew what a Satyagrahi is.
hai i totaly agree with u.!u r right jinnah every time openly talked about muslim country. and gandhi could have saved lot of hindu lifes in partions.
 
I Just fail to understand and am amazed to find that "educated" people can argue in favor of or support such act of cowardice. There is no bigger religion than humanity and ghandhiji worked for it, how can violence of any form be justified (for whtever reason) against such a person and its sheer irony that he was assasinated by the same evil against which he worked for his life..... I dont even find it a point worth arguing and not consider myself learned enuf for taking the case in favor of such a huge personality like him....

Also refer to my post which unfortunately dint get enuf response ...may be wasnt cool enuf as sketches... or may be coz I am not a gal...lol..anyway..works for me...

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9181
 
I guess that I in general share the feeling that one should not resort
to violence, but should seek to win through strength of their ideology and
arguments...with the caveat that in reality strategic assasinations do have a role to play at times. How those "times" are defined is anyones guess.....
 
Main hansu ya roun apne desh ki kismat par ki aaj ke navyuvak, iss desh ka bhavishya aaj bhi gandhi jaise leaders ka saath deta hai.

Leader wo hota hai jo defying all the odds apne followers ka bhala kare na ki unhe khunte se bandhi gaay ki tarah katne ke liye chhor de.

Bhai Deepender ab ye gandhi tanne helpless buddha bana diya.Kaal tahin yo mahatama thha.Leaders ki umar nahin hoti, teri meri umar main to bhagat singh jise faansi chadd gaye thhe desh ke liye.

And gandhi new if someone wants to shoot him they would any way.Rajeev ke paas kya securiyt nahin thi use bhi to urra diya although i disagree with his killing its just an example.

And you say a braver man would have fought gandhi on ideology how unrealistic is that.It took your Mahatama Gandhi 30 yrs to reach where he was and to prove him wrong it would have taken atleast 10 years.but Nathu Ram Godse didnt have that much time, things were running out of hands.People were dying everyday, our women were getting raped , unki chhattiyaan kaat kaat kar bhejte thhe ye musalmaan.

Insaan ka jab koi ang sadd jaata hai to use kaat kar phenk diya jaata hai.Same way gandhi bhi kaat kar phenk diya gaya.And if he lived another 10-15 years awaam hi usko joote marta.

Sachhai chhup nahin sakti jhoothhe usoolon se,
Ke khushboo aa nahin sakti kagaaz ke phoolon se!!
and literally speaking Gandhi stinks.
deepender said:
Jitender Bhaisa'ab -

I highlighted the two points from your reply below:
I agree with the first one - it was foolish of me to bring Jinnah or Muslim League in this conversation.

However, I disagree with the second. I don't think Godse was brave guy, on the contrary he was a coward. Gandhi, even after he was made aware of the imminent threat on his life many times, had refused security. Only a coward can shoot a old man with no weapons or means of defence. Godse had every right to disagree with all of Gandhi's ideology (so does anyone of us) but he (or anyone for that matter) had no right to kill him. A braver man would have fought Gandhi on ideology.


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Well read my line carefully. I dont endorse violence. Period. My philosophy in life is dont do things to others that you dont want others to do to you. You are not perfect. You do things that are not good for others. And if you think that you shouldnt be shot for your mistakes, dont expect someone to be shot for thier misakes. Violence is somehting that you cannot tollerate when its inflicted on you, and same applies to others. Never have double standards when it comes to you and others.

I have said it a zillion times that gandhis policies werent too good. So he would have made abad administrator. But he was a great person. Not one person out there can point a finger at Gandhis character. He motivates me a lot. And I shall always respect hime for that.

Havent we already had so many debates on Gandhi. People are not gonna change their views, no matter what. Its pointless to discuss polarizing issues.
 
meghaguliya said:
Ambala Central Jail
Dated: Nov. 12, 1949

My Most Revered Parents:

My last humble salutations to you, I have your photo with me. While offering adorations to your photo I will be absolved in Brahma (The Almighty).

There will be no doubt that due to the wordly and practical relationship that existed between us, my death will certainly give you a terrible grief. But I am not at all writing this letter either due to the grief or to discuss about the grief.

You both are acquainted with the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita and have thoroughly studied our Mythologies.

Bhagavan Sri Krishna had preached the 'Gita'. The name Sri Krishna with his powerful weapon 'Sudarshan Chakra' had decapitated 'Sishupal', an Aryan King; not in the battlefield but on the land of the Rajasuya Yagna. Who can dare call this very act of Sri Krishna a sin?

Sri Krishna had killed so many persons both in wars and on other occasions for the sake of establishing universal happiness.

For the sake of one 'Seeta Devi' the Ramayana story was developed. Only for the sake of one 'Draupadi' the history of 'Maha Bharat' had been born.

Today, in front of our own eyes the chastity of thousands of women is being violated. The persons who are committing these monstrous atrocities on women, are being helped in all possible ways. In such horrible circumstances, either for fear of our lives or for fear of public criticism, it was not possible for me to be silent without doing anything.

I strongly believe that the blessings of thousands of women are backing me and substantiate my act.

I am laying down my sacrifice at the feet of my beloved Motherland. My sacrifice may cause a bit of a loss to our own family. But, the destructed, demolished temples, the heaps of decapitated heads, the cruel murders committed on boys and girls and the atrocities on women...are reeling every minute before my eyes. I felt it was my utmost duty to cut off the help that was being carried to the wicked committing these cruel deeds.

My mind is clean. Though many would entertain varied thoughts regarding my act, my mind is not perturbed even for the fraction of a second. If there is anything such as heaven, my place has been assured there and hence there is no necessity for me to offer a special prayer. If at all there is anything as such salvation, I am eligible to it.

I do not in the least wish to live at the mercy of amnesty. I feel that a life obtained by an act of mercy is the real death for me.

Death has not come in front of me. I myself have gone to the face of death. I am seeing with my smiling face, the Goddess of death. That Goddess of death also is so eagerly waiting to embrace me as a friend. Death has no power to distort the image of the 'realized ones', with sorrow.

To fulfil the dream of my ideal that, from the river 'Sindhu' to the seas, this whole land of Bharat should become independent...this body of mine must essentially die.

This self-sacrifice of mine for which the eyes of lakhs of people of this country that are shedding tears will share your sorrow.

Akhand Bharat Amar Rahe! Vande Mataram!!



Many Many Salutations to your feet,
Humbly Yours,

Nathuram.



"If devotion to one's country amounts to a sin, I admit I have committed that sin. If it is meritorious, I humbly claim the merit thereof. I fully and confidently believe that if there be any other court of justice beyond the one founded by the mortals, my act will not be taken as unjust. If after the death there be no such place to reach or to go, there is nothing to be said. I have resorted to the action I did purely for the benefit of the humanity. I do say that my shots were fired at the person whose policy and action had brought rack and ruin and destruction to lakhs of Hindus."

Shri Nathuram Godse
Bullshitt. A bad joke. All lies wriiten by a spineless murderer to justify his crime. As if godse cared for hindus.
 
hey i am not against of both , both r freedom fighter but so much diff b/w/ these two great leaders.....
While Bhagat Singh was merely 20 years old in 1928, Mahatma Gandhi was already a mature person of 59 years. Yet both were into the movement in full swing with matching intensity, dedication, conviction and above all passion.It was at this juncture that many organisations of the times fervently appealed to Mahatma Gandhi to save the life of Bhagat Singh.
I am a staunch supporter of Mahatma Gandhiji,but he shld have really saved Bhagat singh,i dont know what really transcibed between gandhi and britishers,but he bhaagat ji should have been saved for a prosperous India.
Bhagat Singh lived and died for a Socialist India.
Long Live the Revolution in Asia!
Long Live Bhagat Singh!
Long Live Sukhdev!
Long Live Rajguru!
Inkalab Zindabad!
 
Kundu Bhai,

I didn't imply at all that Gandhi was helpless. My point was that he was strong/brave enough to refuse security. He was ready to die for his idealogy but not kill. And that I think takes a lot more courage.

Now, right or wrong is an entirely different question. You may believe Gandhi was wrong, and I respect that.



kundujat said:
Bhai Deepender ab ye gandhi tanne helpless buddha bana diya.Kaal tahin yo mahatama thha.Leaders ki umar nahin hoti, teri meri umar main to bhagat singh jise faansi chadd gaye thhe desh ke liye.

And you say a braver man would have fought gandhi on ideology how unrealistic is that.It took your Mahatama Gandhi 30 yrs to reach where he was and to prove him wrong it would have taken atleast 10 years.but Nathu Ram Godse didnt have that much time, things were running out of hands.People were dying everyday, our women were getting raped , unki chhattiyaan kaat kaat kar bhejte thhe ye musalmaan.
 
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Bhai nyyu te bera nee ak majburi ka dusra naam ke sae, par dekhiyo re jakoiyo kite jatland ka doosra naam gandhi-godse blog center na pad je....

raj_rathee said:
Oh Boy...yahan to puri maara maari ho rahee hai.
Bapu Gandee jahan par bhi jaata hai wahin pur lahu-luhan ho
jaata hai....
 
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deepender said:
Bhai nyyu te bera nee ak majburi ka dusra naam ke sae, par dekhiyo re jakoiyo kite jatland ka doosra naam gandhi-godse blog center na pad je....

Ha ha ha ha...Issa eh hon laag ra sae.

Idhar Gandee pitan laag ra sae, err uss dusre thread "Kamal ho gaya..."
aale thread pe mein.... :D

As much as I hate to admit it, laage hai eeb toh munnae Gandee ki sharan leni padege.... :eek:
 
kundujat said:
Main hansu ya roun apne desh ki kismat par ki aaj ke navyuvak, iss desh ka bhavishya aaj bhi gandhi jaise leaders ka saath deta hai.

Jeha Tak Maie sochta hoo abi apko kuch bi karne ki jarurat nahi hai.
 
raj_rathee said:
Ha ha ha ha...Issa eh hon laag ra sae.

Idhar Gandee pitan laag ra sae, err uss dusre thread "Kamal ho gaya..."
aale thread pe mein.... :D

As much as I hate to admit it, laage hai eeb toh munnae Gandee ki sharan leni padege.... :eek:

Ha ha ha . Maie bi apko yehi advise dene wala tha...



Deepender Bhi shab bilkul sahi keh rehe ho aap. Jatland ka namkaran gandiji-godse kar dete hai koi acha sa muharat niklwa kar :) :)
 
Just read the other thread....

Bhai gamma mae nyyu kya kare, ak je koisi tai ghanni garam ho gayee te koi kissi ki jimmiwari nayyee le sakda - aap appnee jimmewari thao, ar aap appnae gharan jao... wish we could help you out Raj, but.....!! :) :)



raj_rathee said:
Ha ha ha ha...Issa eh hon laag ra sae.

Idhar Gandee pitan laag ra sae, err uss dusre thread "Kamal ho gaya..."
aale thread pe mein.... :D

As much as I hate to admit it, laage hai eeb toh munnae Gandee ki sharan leni padege.... :eek:
 
deepender said:
Just read the other thread....

Bhai gamma mae nyyu kya kare, ak je koisi tai ghanni garam ho gayee te koi kissi ki jimmiwari nayyee le sakda - aap appnee jimmewari thao, ar aap appnae gharan jao... wish we could help you out Raj, but.....!! :) :)

Koi baat na Bhai. Theek sae. Yad raakhoonga. :D
Molurdan tae te sulat lein, eeb kisi bebe tae kykar behas karan.
Raasa eh sae. Gandee ki strategy apnani padegee. Haath jod ke khada
ho jao.... ;)
 
Bhai Rathi, baat nyyu sae, teri strategy to 16 aane sae, par garantee kisse cheez ki na maniye!!

raj_rathee said:
Koi baat na Bhai. Theek sae. Yad raakhoonga. :D
Molurdan tae te sulat lein, eeb kisi bebe tae kykar behas karan.
Raasa eh sae. Gandee ki strategy apnani padegee. Haath jod ke khada
ho jao.... ;)
 
kati sahi keh raha hai bhai , main chup ho jaata hun.

Thaari dhaalan chundri odhkai.

Bhedchaal chhor de bhai tu samajhdar banda hai, thora is deemag ka upyog kar, teri mostly post to 'haan sahi kaha phalane bhai' ' bilkul theek vagairah bhai ' hoti hain.Khud ke ideas likha kar.Aur bas ke nahin to baithkar suna kar achhe bachhon ki tarah.

mukesh_kumar007 said:
Jeha Tak Maie sochta hoo abi apko kuch bi karne ki jarurat nahi hai.
 
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