You are so much blindfolded by your hate for congress and love for BJP that you cant even see the politics you are being played at.
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New Chief Minister of Haryana
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I feel sorry for you. Keep living in denial mode and boiling your blood by criticising Modi and RSS.
You are so much blindfolded by your hate for congress and love for BJP that you cant even see the politics you are being played at.
sumitjattan
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Congress started the trend of non Jat CMs in Haryana , Mr Bhagwat Dayal Sharma , Ch Bhajan Lal are few prominent among them . Bhajan Lal was the greatest JAt hater ever ruled Haryana . aur mere bhai Haryana ke Jatton ko Mugaliya Saltanat nahi hara paayi to aur ki kya aukaat hai . Democracy is never for a single caste or religion its for all . and MUSLIMS LOST THEIR RIGHT TO ASK ANY THING ON THE DAY WHENTHEY GOT PAKISTANT AS THEIR HOME LAND THEY WERE MARGINALISED BY THEIR OWN BROTHERS , and still they are having better life , may i ask you a question why Jats , Marathas and Muslims has right to be the only castes or religion to rule why only they ?????
I am also surprised to see a US educated person trying spread such things on a public forum
I am also surprised to see a US educated person trying spread such things on a public forum
Too sad you can not see it but yes it is a defeat of Jats of YOUR state.
Pahle patels, fir muslims, ab Haryane ke Jats and Marathas of Maharashtra and next will be Punjabi Jatts after breaking ties with Akali who will be marginalized. I hope you can see beyond saffron glasses what is really going on instead of being a pawn to their strategy.
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amankadian
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Wasie jitne bjp supporter hai unko sabse jayda bura lag rha hai non-jat cm banya bjp ne.. But wo apna dhuk show nhi kar paa rhe hai ha ha ha ha ----------------------Kyunki jinhone nhi kia unhe to pata tha ki wo non-jat cm hoga or anti jat policy
ye bechare bjp supporter esliye itni jaan laga rhe hai khi inki bezaati na ho jaye is karan...baki in bhaiyo ko bahut dard hua hai................Bas bhaiyo inke ghaw pe namak mat dalo....
Gharo ( Inld or congress ) main kya dam tha inKO to aapno (BJP) ne luta, Inke sapne jab tute jab non-jat cm tha
ha ha ha ha ...................koi baat na bhai sab aapne hai dhukda ro lo aapna tham b.
ye bechare bjp supporter esliye itni jaan laga rhe hai khi inki bezaati na ho jaye is karan...baki in bhaiyo ko bahut dard hua hai................Bas bhaiyo inke ghaw pe namak mat dalo....
Gharo ( Inld or congress ) main kya dam tha inKO to aapno (BJP) ne luta, Inke sapne jab tute jab non-jat cm tha
ha ha ha ha ...................koi baat na bhai sab aapne hai dhukda ro lo aapna tham b.
ajayshokeen26
New member
I guess BJP made it pretty clear in the beginning, that their CM candidate will be a non-jat one this time, that's the only reason they hadn't declared any name. And INLD and Congress had named their leaders. So choice was pretty clear with Haryana people.
I am surprised too that someone in Haryana, from Haryana can be played at the hands of politics so easily without seeing the benefit of the very cast he comes from.
Congress has done blunders, and it is history now - for how long will you give their excuse to cover up your political party? If I question you on Modi your reply is Rahul, if I question you on BJP in Haryana and their CM your choice is Congress- grow beyond Sumit. Stop living in the past- think about future and act in the present.
You act like Modi at times who promised the world in 60 days to people and now says who ruled us for 60 years want our report card in 60 days- YES sir we do because you yourself sold those promises to us.
You in other post asked me about Indira Gandhi and Modi and the difference, right? Let me give you one. When Indira Gandhi became PM with full majority like Modi- she made a muslim the first CM and the only one so far of Maharashtra- Abdul Rehmn Antuley- that is inclusive and democratic politics that needs balls unlike religious based divisive politics of RSS.
And also I am rubbishing BJP under Modi here, BJP under Vajpayee was a different and better BJP.
And let me again write a few points and see your reaction to it
Modi eliminated Patel legacy in Gujarat, Muslim share in Gujarat and Central government, in every state election fought and now he is proceeding to the same for Jats in Haryana which will be followed by Jatts in Punjab by kicking Akalis in the butt- what in this is tough to understand?
Congress has done blunders, and it is history now - for how long will you give their excuse to cover up your political party? If I question you on Modi your reply is Rahul, if I question you on BJP in Haryana and their CM your choice is Congress- grow beyond Sumit. Stop living in the past- think about future and act in the present.
You act like Modi at times who promised the world in 60 days to people and now says who ruled us for 60 years want our report card in 60 days- YES sir we do because you yourself sold those promises to us.
You in other post asked me about Indira Gandhi and Modi and the difference, right? Let me give you one. When Indira Gandhi became PM with full majority like Modi- she made a muslim the first CM and the only one so far of Maharashtra- Abdul Rehmn Antuley- that is inclusive and democratic politics that needs balls unlike religious based divisive politics of RSS.
And also I am rubbishing BJP under Modi here, BJP under Vajpayee was a different and better BJP.
And let me again write a few points and see your reaction to it
Modi eliminated Patel legacy in Gujarat, Muslim share in Gujarat and Central government, in every state election fought and now he is proceeding to the same for Jats in Haryana which will be followed by Jatts in Punjab by kicking Akalis in the butt- what in this is tough to understand?
Congress started the trend of non Jat CMs in Haryana , Mr Bhagwat Dayal Sharma , Ch Bhajan Lal are few prominent among them . Bhajan Lal was the greatest JAt hater ever ruled Haryana . aur mere bhai Haryana ke Jatton ko Mugaliya Saltanat nahi hara paayi to aur ki kya aukaat hai . Democracy is never for a single caste or religion its for all . and MUSLIMS LOST THEIR RIGHT TO ASK ANY THING ON THE DAY WHENTHEY GOT PAKISTANT AS THEIR HOME LAND THEY WERE MARGINALISED BY THEIR OWN BROTHERS , and still they are having better life , may i ask you a question why Jats , Marathas and Muslims has right to be the only castes or religion to rule why only they ?????
I am also surprised to see a US educated person trying spread such things on a public forum
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sumitjattan
New member
My caste is strong and will remain strong irrespective of the CM dont worry about the Jats of Haryana we fought against Rangars and Mughals and saved our honour , the last two Jats CM one was the leader of Rohtak and a Vadra promoter and the other was the one who opened fire on fellow jats of Kandela , i am questioning Congress because they are the oldest party in India and still main opposition party , blame Modi as much as you can that will not change anything . reality is he is PM and quite popular among masses .
Acting like Modi buddy i am sane enough to give enogh time to ruling party if India can give 60 years to a party then it can easily give 5 years to a party before questioning .
I respect Indira Gandhi and her way of working and since when appointment of a muslim CM become the parameter of a good PM , it must be the capability of AR antuley ??? and then why she kicked him out of CM ship , throw some light on that also ???? BJP made APJ abdul Klam as President who was shamelessly denied the second term by the congress If they respect and care about Muslims then they should have re appoint him as President . Why they denied him the second term .
I dont know why kissing a muslim a$$ is the only way to prove your secular credentials ?
You can rubbish anyone but you cant change anything the reality is he is now the elected PM for 5 years with full majority and just FYI the CM of Gujrat is Patel as of now and the same Modi appointed a Muslim as DGP of the Gujrat Police and as far as Jats of HAryana are concerned they didnt vote for BJP then how you expect them to get CM post ???? same goes for the Marathas of Maharashtra they voted for Congress and NCP .
I am against Akalis they have ruined Punjab by promoting the drug culture its better if BJP sanp ties with them sooner will be better . My question is what is the base of your thinking that only Jat can do good for Jats and only a Maratha can do good for Maratha ???
Acting like Modi buddy i am sane enough to give enogh time to ruling party if India can give 60 years to a party then it can easily give 5 years to a party before questioning .
I respect Indira Gandhi and her way of working and since when appointment of a muslim CM become the parameter of a good PM , it must be the capability of AR antuley ??? and then why she kicked him out of CM ship , throw some light on that also ???? BJP made APJ abdul Klam as President who was shamelessly denied the second term by the congress If they respect and care about Muslims then they should have re appoint him as President . Why they denied him the second term .
I dont know why kissing a muslim a$$ is the only way to prove your secular credentials ?
You can rubbish anyone but you cant change anything the reality is he is now the elected PM for 5 years with full majority and just FYI the CM of Gujrat is Patel as of now and the same Modi appointed a Muslim as DGP of the Gujrat Police and as far as Jats of HAryana are concerned they didnt vote for BJP then how you expect them to get CM post ???? same goes for the Marathas of Maharashtra they voted for Congress and NCP .
I am against Akalis they have ruined Punjab by promoting the drug culture its better if BJP sanp ties with them sooner will be better . My question is what is the base of your thinking that only Jat can do good for Jats and only a Maratha can do good for Maratha ???
I am surprised too that someone in Haryana, from Haryana can be played at the hands of politics so easily without seeing the benefit of the very cast he comes from.
Congress has done blunders, and it is history now - for how long will you give their excuse to cover up your political party? If I question you on Modi your reply is Rahul, if I question you on BJP in Haryana and their CM your choice is Congress- grow beyond Sumit. Stop living in the past- think about future and act in the present.
You act like Modi at times who promised the world in 60 days to people and now says who ruled us for 60 years want our report card in 60 days- YES sir we do because you yourself sold those promises to us.
You in other post asked me about Indira Gandhi and Modi and the difference, right? Let me give you one. When Indira Gandhi became PM with full majority like Modi- she made a muslim the first CM and the only one so far of Maharashtra- Abdul Rehmn Antuley- that is inclusive and democratic politics that needs balls unlike religious based divisive politics of RSS.
And also I am rubbishing BJP under Modi here, BJP under Vajpayee was a different and better BJP.
And let me again write a few points and see your reaction to it
Modi eliminated Patel legacy in Gujarat, Muslim share in Gujarat and Central government, in every state election fought and now he is proceeding to the same for Jats in Haryana which will be followed by Jatts in Punjab by kicking Akalis in the butt- what in this is tough to understand?
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Very true and apt reply to every point.
The funny part professed by some here is whether he deserves or not, giving a responsible position to a Muslim is the touchstone of good governance. This is the best example of tokenism and petty vote bank politics. India is fortunate enough to have a new govt. which professes - Sabka saath Sabka Vikas.
Elections are over and the CM has been designated. It would be better as some senior members have also said to let the dust settle down.
I think a few members here should save some of their criticism for the future actions of the new govt. in Haryana instead of wasting it unnecessarily and prematurely.
The funny part professed by some here is whether he deserves or not, giving a responsible position to a Muslim is the touchstone of good governance. This is the best example of tokenism and petty vote bank politics. India is fortunate enough to have a new govt. which professes - Sabka saath Sabka Vikas.
Elections are over and the CM has been designated. It would be better as some senior members have also said to let the dust settle down.
I think a few members here should save some of their criticism for the future actions of the new govt. in Haryana instead of wasting it unnecessarily and prematurely.
My caste is strong and will remain strong irrespective of the CM dont worry about the Jats of Haryana we fought against Rangars and Mughals and saved our honour , the last two Jats CM one was the leader of Rohtak and a Vadra promoter and the other was the one who opened fire on fellow jats of Kandela , i am questioning Congress because they are the oldest party in India and still main opposition party , blame Modi as much as you can that will not change anything . reality is he is PM and quite popular among masses .
Acting like Modi buddy i am sane enough to give enogh time to ruling party if India can give 60 years to a party then it can easily give 5 years to a party before questioning .
I respect Indira Gandhi and her way of working and since when appointment of a muslim CM become the parameter of a good PM , it must be the capability of AR antuley ??? and then why she kicked him out of CM ship , throw some light on that also ???? BJP made APJ abdul Klam as President who was shamelessly denied the second term by the congress If they respect and care about Muslims then they should have re appoint him as President . Why they denied him the second term .
I dont know why kissing a muslim a$$ is the only way to prove your secular credentials ?
You can rubbish anyone but you cant change anything the reality is he is now the elected PM for 5 years with full majority and just FYI the CM of Gujrat is Patel as of now and the same Modi appointed a Muslim as DGP of the Gujrat Police and as far as Jats of HAryana are concerned they didnt vote for BJP then how you expect them to get CM post ???? same goes for the Marathas of Maharashtra they voted for Congress and NCP .
I am against Akalis they have ruined Punjab by promoting the drug culture its better if BJP sanp ties with them sooner will be better . My question is what is the base of your thinking that only Jat can do good for Jats and only a Maratha can do good for Maratha ???
Respected Members,
Lots of us are feeling sad on the recent political development, whereas under noted data gives us opportunity for consolation.
All Haryana Chief Minister Till date:
1- Shri Pt. Bhagwat Dayal Sharma Brahamin Congress
2- Shri Rao Birender Singh Ahir Haryana Vishal party
3- Shri Ch’ Bansi Lal Jat Congress/ HVP
4- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Congress – C/O Ch Bansi Lal
5- Shri Ch Devi Lal Jat Janta Party/Lok Dal/ INLO
6- Shri Ch Bhajan Lal Jat-Bishnoi Janta Party/ Congress
7- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Janta Dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
8- Shri Ch Hukam Singh Jat Janta dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
9- Shri Ch O P Chautala Jat Janta Dal/ INLO
10- Shri Ch Bhupinder Singh Hooda Jat Congress
11 Shri Mr Manohar Lal Khattar Refugees Punjabi BJP
Conclusion:
Congress Elected - 1 CM from Jats completed – (Bansi lal) 7.5+2.1 = 9.60 years
1 CM from Banias Completes = 1.40 years
1 CM from Brahamins (B D Sharma) completed = 0.40 years
1 CM from Jat Bisnois (Bhajan Lal) = 10.30 years
1 CM from Jats (BS Hooda) = 9.10 years
Self floated parties 1 CM Rao Birender Singh From Ahirs = 0.60 years
1 CM Ch Bansi Lal HVP from Jats = 3.20 years
Janta Party/Dal/INLO 1 CM from Jats; 2.0 + 2.40 (Ch Devi Lal) = 4.40 years
1 CM from jat Bishnois (Bhajan lal) = 0.60 years joind Cong
I Cm from Banias (BD Gupta) = 0.40 years
1 Cm from Jats (Hukam Singh) = 0.70 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 0.50 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 5-80 years
BJP 1 CM from punjabis = 0 years
Governor rule 0 CM = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of 48 years of formation of Haryana:
Congress Ruled = 30.8 years
Haryana Vishal Party of Rao Birender Singh ruled = 0.60 years
Haryana Vikas Party of Ch Bansi Lal ruled = 3.20 years
Other Parties of Ch Devi Lal Dominance ruled = 12.4 years
Vacant/ Governor rule = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of above 47 years of CM rule:
Jats ruled:
IN CONGRESS RULE - 29.0 years out of 30.8 years = 94.15%
IN OTHER PARTY RULES - 3.20 years out of 3.8 years = 84.20%
IN CH DEVI LAL PARTIES - 12.0 years out of 12.4 years = 96.75%
TOTAL JAT RULE - 44 years out of 47 years = 93.60%
What more we expect from a democratic setup where we are having strength of only 28 – 30% that too divided a lot. Kindly imagine and consider what comments a neutral democratic analyzer shall give on above data. Further, compare honestly feelings of others (non or anti Jats), with that of ours in light of the issue of election of new CM
Why Jats are not considering Ch Bhajan Lal as JAT whereas he belonged to JAT Clan, also Ch Bansi Lal, Birender Singh, Surjewala, B S Hooda as not real Jats; our definations are ours only
It is healthy for us in the light of Natural Justice to learn to tolerate others for some time, who have tolerated us for long
Be Happy and Enjoy
Thanks to all
Lots of us are feeling sad on the recent political development, whereas under noted data gives us opportunity for consolation.
All Haryana Chief Minister Till date:
1- Shri Pt. Bhagwat Dayal Sharma Brahamin Congress
2- Shri Rao Birender Singh Ahir Haryana Vishal party
3- Shri Ch’ Bansi Lal Jat Congress/ HVP
4- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Congress – C/O Ch Bansi Lal
5- Shri Ch Devi Lal Jat Janta Party/Lok Dal/ INLO
6- Shri Ch Bhajan Lal Jat-Bishnoi Janta Party/ Congress
7- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Janta Dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
8- Shri Ch Hukam Singh Jat Janta dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
9- Shri Ch O P Chautala Jat Janta Dal/ INLO
10- Shri Ch Bhupinder Singh Hooda Jat Congress
11 Shri Mr Manohar Lal Khattar Refugees Punjabi BJP
Conclusion:
Congress Elected - 1 CM from Jats completed – (Bansi lal) 7.5+2.1 = 9.60 years
1 CM from Banias Completes = 1.40 years
1 CM from Brahamins (B D Sharma) completed = 0.40 years
1 CM from Jat Bisnois (Bhajan Lal) = 10.30 years
1 CM from Jats (BS Hooda) = 9.10 years
Self floated parties 1 CM Rao Birender Singh From Ahirs = 0.60 years
1 CM Ch Bansi Lal HVP from Jats = 3.20 years
Janta Party/Dal/INLO 1 CM from Jats; 2.0 + 2.40 (Ch Devi Lal) = 4.40 years
1 CM from jat Bishnois (Bhajan lal) = 0.60 years joind Cong
I Cm from Banias (BD Gupta) = 0.40 years
1 Cm from Jats (Hukam Singh) = 0.70 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 0.50 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 5-80 years
BJP 1 CM from punjabis = 0 years
Governor rule 0 CM = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of 48 years of formation of Haryana:
Congress Ruled = 30.8 years
Haryana Vishal Party of Rao Birender Singh ruled = 0.60 years
Haryana Vikas Party of Ch Bansi Lal ruled = 3.20 years
Other Parties of Ch Devi Lal Dominance ruled = 12.4 years
Vacant/ Governor rule = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of above 47 years of CM rule:
Jats ruled:
IN CONGRESS RULE - 29.0 years out of 30.8 years = 94.15%
IN OTHER PARTY RULES - 3.20 years out of 3.8 years = 84.20%
IN CH DEVI LAL PARTIES - 12.0 years out of 12.4 years = 96.75%
TOTAL JAT RULE - 44 years out of 47 years = 93.60%
What more we expect from a democratic setup where we are having strength of only 28 – 30% that too divided a lot. Kindly imagine and consider what comments a neutral democratic analyzer shall give on above data. Further, compare honestly feelings of others (non or anti Jats), with that of ours in light of the issue of election of new CM
Why Jats are not considering Ch Bhajan Lal as JAT whereas he belonged to JAT Clan, also Ch Bansi Lal, Birender Singh, Surjewala, B S Hooda as not real Jats; our definations are ours only
It is healthy for us in the light of Natural Justice to learn to tolerate others for some time, who have tolerated us for long
Be Happy and Enjoy
Thanks to all
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jitender_singh
New member
Bhajan lal and his son themselves not considered as jats thats why bhajanlal revoked the reservation to Jats in 1991 earlier given by Hukum singh Govt .
so Jats ruled 33 years out of 47 not 44 .
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so Jats ruled 33 years out of 47 not 44 .
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Respected Members,
Lots of us are feeling sad on the recent political development, whereas under noted data gives us opportunity for consolation.
All Haryana Chief Minister Till date:
1- Shri Pt. Bhagwat Dayal Sharma Brahamin Congress
2- Shri Rao Birender Singh Ahir Haryana Vishal party
3- Shri Ch’ Bansi Lal Jat Congress/ HVP
4- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Congress – C/O Ch Bansi Lal
5- Shri Ch Devi Lal Jat Janta Party/Lok Dal/ INLO
6- Shri Ch Bhajan Lal Jat-Bishnoi Janta Party/ Congress
7- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Janta Dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
8- Shri Ch Hukam Singh Jat Janta dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
9- Shri Ch O P Chautala Jat Janta Dal/ INLO
10- Shri Ch Bhupinder Singh Hooda Jat Congress
11 Shri Mr Manohar Lal Khattar Refugees Punjabi BJP
Conclusion:
Congress Elected - 1 CM from Jats completed – (Bansi lal) 7.5+2.1 = 9.60 years
1 CM from Banias Completes = 1.40 years
1 CM from Brahamins (B D Sharma) completed = 0.40 years
1 CM from Jat Bisnois (Bhajan Lal) = 10.30 years
1 CM from Jats (BS Hooda) = 9.10 years
Self floated parties 1 CM Rao Birender Singh From Ahirs = 0.60 years
1 CM Ch Bansi Lal HVP from Jats = 3.20 years
Janta Party/Dal/INLO 1 CM from Jats; 2.0 + 2.40 (Ch Devi Lal) = 4.40 years
1 CM from jat Bishnois (Bhajan lal) = 0.60 years joind Cong
I Cm from Banias (BD Gupta) = 0.40 years
1 Cm from Jats (Hukam Singh) = 0.70 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 0.50 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 5-80 years
BJP 1 CM from punjabis = 0 years
Governor rule 0 CM = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of 48 years of formation of Haryana:
Congress Ruled = 30.8 years
Haryana Vishal Party of Rao Birender Singh ruled = 0.60 years
Haryana Vikas Party of Ch Bansi Lal ruled = 3.20 years
Other Parties of Ch Devi Lal Dominance ruled = 12.4 years
Vacant/ Governor rule = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of above 47 years of CM rule:
Jats ruled:
IN CONGRESS RULE - 29.0 years out of 30.8 years = 94.15%
IN OTHER PARTY RULES - 3.20 years out of 3.8 years = 84.20%
IN CH DEVI LAL PARTIES - 12.0 years out of 12.4 years = 96.75%
TOTAL JAT RULE - 44 years out of 47 years = 93.60%
What more we expect from a democratic setup where we are having strength of only 28 – 30% that too divided a lot. Kindly imagine and consider what comments a neutral democratic analyzer shall give on above data. Further, compare honestly feelings of others (non or anti Jats), with that of ours in light of the issue of election of new CM
Why Jats are not considering Ch Bhajan Lal as JAT whereas he belonged to JAT Clan, also Ch Bansi Lal, Birender Singh, Surjewala, B S Hooda as not real Jats; our definations are ours only
It is healthy for us in the light of Natural Justice to learn to tolerate others for some time, who have tolerated us for long
Be Happy and Enjoy
Thanks to all
Respected Members/Readers
Ch Bhajan Lal story is a different story. He was closet to Ch Bansi Lal then CM, Ch Bansi Lal paid less attention to personal issues of public, Ch Bhajan Lal was very social and he took care of all personal issues of most of jats. With the formation of Janta Party he joined it and won election. During the tenure of Janta Party, then CM, Ch Devi Lal had to seek vote of confidence several times; reasons were many. Ultimately he was removed from the post by high command, Ch Bhajan Lal became the choice of the MLA’s and party, so was elected as CM. Ch Devi Lal convinced Jat masses that Jats are removed from power by Bhajan Lal. Ch Bhajan Lal tried his best to convey ‘I am a Jat as well’ in every public and media meeting but much hatred was aired by Devi Lal group and Jats did not accept Ch Bhajan Lal’s version. He had no choice but to sit alone. With the passage of time non jats invited and accepted him as rival to Ch Devi Lal (symbolic to Jats) Ch Bhajan Lal became a symbol of non Jat political system.
The process of revoking reservation of Jats in 1991 has the same theory. It also seems Ch Devi Lal Group publicity. It is learnt that Haryana Govt never de-notified Gurnam Singh Commission report. It was Pt Ram Kumar Gautam of Narnaund (one time BJP MLA) who challenged Gurnam Singh Commission report in Supreme Court, in the process no jat including Ch Devi Lal and associates tried to participate/ challenge/ become party to the writ, reason may be our lethargy and politics of Ch Devi Lal group, In the court Haryana Govt submitted that now Govt is not considering commission’s report. The commission report was dismissed by Supreme Court of India but Jats remained sleepy throughout the process.
Kindly don’t consider me pro Ch Bhajan Lal or anti Ch Devi Lal, as the facts are contrary. In public writing one has to accept facts even if they taste bitter.
In past survival of Ch Devi Lal/(group) much depended on survival of Ch Bhajan Lal/(group), perhaps now Ch Bhajan Lal group has been overtaken by BJP in minds of Jats, so are many of us feeling disturbed with decision of BJP to elect of Mr. Khattar as Haryana CM
It is felt jats shall take BJP the same way they took Ch Bhajan Lal, the party whose association they enjoyed during tenure of Ch Devi Lal, Ch Bansi Lal and Ch OP Chotala. Jats would have also been celebrating had BJP considered recently tie up with Chotala party
All circumstances may not be favorable; still we can find reasons to be happy.
Thank to all
Ch Bhajan Lal story is a different story. He was closet to Ch Bansi Lal then CM, Ch Bansi Lal paid less attention to personal issues of public, Ch Bhajan Lal was very social and he took care of all personal issues of most of jats. With the formation of Janta Party he joined it and won election. During the tenure of Janta Party, then CM, Ch Devi Lal had to seek vote of confidence several times; reasons were many. Ultimately he was removed from the post by high command, Ch Bhajan Lal became the choice of the MLA’s and party, so was elected as CM. Ch Devi Lal convinced Jat masses that Jats are removed from power by Bhajan Lal. Ch Bhajan Lal tried his best to convey ‘I am a Jat as well’ in every public and media meeting but much hatred was aired by Devi Lal group and Jats did not accept Ch Bhajan Lal’s version. He had no choice but to sit alone. With the passage of time non jats invited and accepted him as rival to Ch Devi Lal (symbolic to Jats) Ch Bhajan Lal became a symbol of non Jat political system.
The process of revoking reservation of Jats in 1991 has the same theory. It also seems Ch Devi Lal Group publicity. It is learnt that Haryana Govt never de-notified Gurnam Singh Commission report. It was Pt Ram Kumar Gautam of Narnaund (one time BJP MLA) who challenged Gurnam Singh Commission report in Supreme Court, in the process no jat including Ch Devi Lal and associates tried to participate/ challenge/ become party to the writ, reason may be our lethargy and politics of Ch Devi Lal group, In the court Haryana Govt submitted that now Govt is not considering commission’s report. The commission report was dismissed by Supreme Court of India but Jats remained sleepy throughout the process.
Kindly don’t consider me pro Ch Bhajan Lal or anti Ch Devi Lal, as the facts are contrary. In public writing one has to accept facts even if they taste bitter.
In past survival of Ch Devi Lal/(group) much depended on survival of Ch Bhajan Lal/(group), perhaps now Ch Bhajan Lal group has been overtaken by BJP in minds of Jats, so are many of us feeling disturbed with decision of BJP to elect of Mr. Khattar as Haryana CM
It is felt jats shall take BJP the same way they took Ch Bhajan Lal, the party whose association they enjoyed during tenure of Ch Devi Lal, Ch Bansi Lal and Ch OP Chotala. Jats would have also been celebrating had BJP considered recently tie up with Chotala party
All circumstances may not be favorable; still we can find reasons to be happy.
Thank to all
If only you choose to understand, you will. Point is you don't want to because it goes against your political inclinations and I am not sure how much more can I stretch a point if one is not willing to work on understanding it.
Give modi all the years you want, and I agree it is too soon but he promised a world to people before elections- why did he do that? He is a media gimmick and his bluff is caught - accept it. Kahan gaya 100 din main ane wala kala dhan? Kahan gaye Vadra ke khilaf cases? Sab ek thali ke chatte batte hai - wake up and smell the beans
I simply made a point that Indira's comparison to Modi is unfair because she was an inclusive PM who took all minorities together- Unlike Modi. ( I am sure you got that much at least)
If not Jats then who else will do good for Jats? Do you seriously expect Bhappe to give reservation to Jats in Haryana? Aapki party ne virodh kia tha khul ke- yad hai?
Khair ... Aap ko aap ke bhappo ki sarkar Mubarak. Karaiye Jato ka Vikas
Give modi all the years you want, and I agree it is too soon but he promised a world to people before elections- why did he do that? He is a media gimmick and his bluff is caught - accept it. Kahan gaya 100 din main ane wala kala dhan? Kahan gaye Vadra ke khilaf cases? Sab ek thali ke chatte batte hai - wake up and smell the beans
I simply made a point that Indira's comparison to Modi is unfair because she was an inclusive PM who took all minorities together- Unlike Modi. ( I am sure you got that much at least)
If not Jats then who else will do good for Jats? Do you seriously expect Bhappe to give reservation to Jats in Haryana? Aapki party ne virodh kia tha khul ke- yad hai?
Khair ... Aap ko aap ke bhappo ki sarkar Mubarak. Karaiye Jato ka Vikas
My caste is strong and will remain strong irrespective of the CM dont worry about the Jats of Haryana we fought against Rangars and Mughals and saved our honour , the last two Jats CM one was the leader of Rohtak and a Vadra promoter and the other was the one who opened fire on fellow jats of Kandela , i am questioning Congress because they are the oldest party in India and still main opposition party , blame Modi as much as you can that will not change anything . reality is he is PM and quite popular among masses .
Acting like Modi buddy i am sane enough to give enogh time to ruling party if India can give 60 years to a party then it can easily give 5 years to a party before questioning .
I respect Indira Gandhi and her way of working and since when appointment of a muslim CM become the parameter of a good PM , it must be the capability of AR antuley ??? and then why she kicked him out of CM ship , throw some light on that also ???? BJP made APJ abdul Klam as President who was shamelessly denied the second term by the congress If they respect and care about Muslims then they should have re appoint him as President . Why they denied him the second term .
I dont know why kissing a muslim a$$ is the only way to prove your secular credentials ?
You can rubbish anyone but you cant change anything the reality is he is now the elected PM for 5 years with full majority and just FYI the CM of Gujrat is Patel as of now and the same Modi appointed a Muslim as DGP of the Gujrat Police and as far as Jats of HAryana are concerned they didnt vote for BJP then how you expect them to get CM post ???? same goes for the Marathas of Maharashtra they voted for Congress and NCP .
I am against Akalis they have ruined Punjab by promoting the drug culture its better if BJP sanp ties with them sooner will be better . My question is what is the base of your thinking that only Jat can do good for Jats and only a Maratha can do good for Maratha ???
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मान्यवर नौजवानो व साथियो
ये कैसी सिथिति बन गई है की हमारे नौजवान किस हद तक विचलित व चिंतित हो गए है | कोई नॉन जाट सीएम बना है यह इतनी गंभीरता की बात नहीं है | देखना है कि हरियाणा का भावी
सीएम नॉन जाट है या एंटि जाट | वैसे भी यह पहला मौका नहीं है जब हरियाणा मे नॉन जाट सीएम बना हो | यह बात जग जाहीर थी कि हरियाणा कि बहुसंख्यक वोटर गैर जाट सीएम देखना
चाहता है | इस करंट को सभी निष्पक्ष (neutral) लोग जानते व समझते थे |
यदि नहीं समझ पाए तो केवल जाट | ओर कोई समझाने या असलियत बाताने की कोशीश करता तो ज़्यादातर हम लोग सही हालत का आंकलन व समाधान ढूंढने की बजाए उसको उल्टा सुल्टा
लिखना/धमकाना/जलील करना शरू कर देते थे ओर अपनी धुन मे जाटों कि जीत पक्की मान कर चलते थे | गलती किसी ओर कि नहीं केवल ओर केवल हमारी है | एसे हालत मे अपने आप सब
कुछ हमारे भले के अनुकूल व पसंद अनुसार कैसे हो सकता था |जाट सीएम न होना कोई बहुत बड़ी समस्या नहीं है | सिस्टम ने एक निर्धारित दायरे मे अपना काम करना है | नामित सीएम भी
हम मे से ही एक है | हमे भी उनसे ऐसे ही अपेक्षा करनी चाहिए जो सभी हरियानवी करते है | ऐसे मे खामखाँ का भरम पाल कर चिंतित होने की कोई आवशयकता नहीं है | दूसरे भाजपा कोई विदेशी
दल नहीं है | हमारे जाट नेताओ का इससे पुराना भाई चारा है |
अन्यथा जाटों को इकठा होकर अपने हक व न्याय के लिये संघर्ष करने से कौन रोक सकेगा | पक्षपात करने वाले कभी टिक नहीं सकते उन्हे जाना ही पड़ता है |
अतः मौज करो ओर चिन्ता मुक्त रहो |
सधन्यवाद |
आदरणीय खटकड़ साहेब ,
जाटो की ना समझी वाली बात समझ आती है थोड़ी थोड़ी किन्तु आपका ये दावा की इसमें सिर्फ और सिर्फ जाट समुदाय की गलती है कुछ अत्यधिक उदार प्रतीत होती है ! क्या भाजपा द्वारा टिकटों का वितरण और उसके पश्चात अभिमन्यु और धनखड की बड़े पद की अवहेलना भी जाटो की ही गलती की श्रेणी में आती है ? एक सोची समझी रणनीति के अंतर्गत ब्राह्मणवाद का पोषण करने की कोशिश की जायेगी एक कृषि बहुल राज्य में ! मै नहीं जानता की आप शरणार्थी कौम के बारे में क्या विचार रखते हैं किन्तु अधिकतर जाट और हरियानावासी उनको स्वार्थपर्क से ज्यादा कुछ नहीं मानते ! ये जहाँ भी रहे हैं इन्होने वहाँ की संस्कृति का मालिया मेट किया है ! मै स्वीकार करता हूँ की मेरी उम्र आपके जीवन के अनुभव से काफी कम है किन्तु ऐसे इनके हाथ में अपना भविष्य सौंप कर चिंता मुक्त रहना कठिन ही नहीं असहनीय भी है !
अनुग्रहित !
Respected Members,
Lots of us are feeling sad on the recent political development, whereas under noted data gives us opportunity for consolation.
All Haryana Chief Minister Till date:
1- Shri Pt. Bhagwat Dayal Sharma Brahamin Congress
2- Shri Rao Birender Singh Ahir Haryana Vishal party
3- Shri Ch’ Bansi Lal Jat Congress/ HVP
4- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Congress – C/O Ch Bansi Lal
5- Shri Ch Devi Lal Jat Janta Party/Lok Dal/ INLO
6- Shri Ch Bhajan Lal Jat-Bishnoi Janta Party/ Congress
7- Shri Banarsi Dass Gupta Bania Janta Dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
8- Shri Ch Hukam Singh Jat Janta dal C/O Ch Devi Lal
9- Shri Ch O P Chautala Jat Janta Dal/ INLO
10- Shri Ch Bhupinder Singh Hooda Jat Congress
11 Shri Mr Manohar Lal Khattar Refugees Punjabi BJP
Conclusion:
Congress Elected - 1 CM from Jats completed – (Bansi lal) 7.5+2.1 = 9.60 years
1 CM from Banias Completes = 1.40 years
1 CM from Brahamins (B D Sharma) completed = 0.40 years
1 CM from Jat Bisnois (Bhajan Lal) = 10.30 years
1 CM from Jats (BS Hooda) = 9.10 years
Self floated parties 1 CM Rao Birender Singh From Ahirs = 0.60 years
1 CM Ch Bansi Lal HVP from Jats = 3.20 years
Janta Party/Dal/INLO 1 CM from Jats; 2.0 + 2.40 (Ch Devi Lal) = 4.40 years
1 CM from jat Bishnois (Bhajan lal) = 0.60 years joind Cong
I Cm from Banias (BD Gupta) = 0.40 years
1 Cm from Jats (Hukam Singh) = 0.70 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 0.50 years
1 CM from Jats (OP Chotala) = 5-80 years
BJP 1 CM from punjabis = 0 years
Governor rule 0 CM = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of 48 years of formation of Haryana:
Congress Ruled = 30.8 years
Haryana Vishal Party of Rao Birender Singh ruled = 0.60 years
Haryana Vikas Party of Ch Bansi Lal ruled = 3.20 years
Other Parties of Ch Devi Lal Dominance ruled = 12.4 years
Vacant/ Governor rule = 1.00 years
TOTAL = 48.0 years
Out of above 47 years of CM rule:
Jats ruled:
IN CONGRESS RULE - 29.0 years out of 30.8 years = 94.15%
IN OTHER PARTY RULES - 3.20 years out of 3.8 years = 84.20%
IN CH DEVI LAL PARTIES - 12.0 years out of 12.4 years = 96.75%
TOTAL JAT RULE - 44 years out of 47 years = 93.60%
What more we expect from a democratic setup where we are having strength of only 28 – 30% that too divided a lot. Kindly imagine and consider what comments a neutral democratic analyzer shall give on above data. Further, compare honestly feelings of others (non or anti Jats), with that of ours in light of the issue of election of new CM
Why Jats are not considering Ch Bhajan Lal as JAT whereas he belonged to JAT Clan, also Ch Bansi Lal, Birender Singh, Surjewala, B S Hooda as not real Jats; our definations are ours only
It is healthy for us in the light of Natural Justice to learn to tolerate others for some time, who have tolerated us for long
Be Happy and Enjoy
Thanks to all
Please sir ji, call Jat donkeys; but do not insult Jats by calling Bhajan a "Jat".
Bhajan lal ne 10 saal main jaata ki issi tissi kar di thi.
He was the one who initiated the "anti-jat" term.
Agar uska gottar kissi hissaf se Jat se bana bhi hai to uska DNA check karwa lo. Woh paka Jat se bhut alag milega.
So Bhajan Lal was never a Jat his generations would never be Jats.
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Samar bhai, now is the time to move forward and look at the possible ways ahead.
Do you have any idea/s how we can move towards having a Jat leadership take the reins of/in Haryana at least in the next assembly elections.
There needs to be some serious brainstorming on this aspect instead of discussing what has already happened.
Do you have any idea/s how we can move towards having a Jat leadership take the reins of/in Haryana at least in the next assembly elections.
There needs to be some serious brainstorming on this aspect instead of discussing what has already happened.
आदरणीय खटकड़ साहेब ,
जाटो की ना समझी वाली बात समझ आती है थोड़ी थोड़ी किन्तु आपका ये दावा की इसमें सिर्फ और सिर्फ जाट समुदाय की गलती है कुछ अत्यधिक उदार प्रतीत होती है ! क्या भाजपा द्वारा टिकटों का वितरण और उसके पश्चात अभिमन्यु और धनखड की बड़े पद की अवहेलना भी जाटो की ही गलती की श्रेणी में आती है ? एक सोची समझी रणनीति के अंतर्गत ब्राह्मणवाद का पोषण करने की कोशिश की जायेगी एक कृषि बहुल राज्य में ! मै नहीं जानता की आप शरणार्थी कौम के बारे में क्या विचार रखते हैं किन्तु अधिकतर जाट और हरियानावासी उनको स्वार्थपर्क से ज्यादा कुछ नहीं मानते ! ये जहाँ भी रहे हैं इन्होने वहाँ की संस्कृति का मालिया मेट किया है ! मै स्वीकार करता हूँ की मेरी उम्र आपके जीवन के अनुभव से काफी कम है किन्तु ऐसे इनके हाथ में अपना भविष्य सौंप कर चिंता मुक्त रहना कठिन ही नहीं असहनीय भी है !
अनुग्रहित !
आदरणीय खटकड़ साहेब ,
जाटो की ना समझी वाली बात समझ आती है थोड़ी थोड़ी किन्तु आपका ये दावा की इसमें सिर्फ और सिर्फ जाट समुदाय की गलती है कुछ अत्यधिक उदार प्रतीत होती है ! क्या भाजपा द्वारा टिकटों का वितरण और उसके पश्चात अभिमन्यु और धनखड की बड़े पद की अवहेलना भी जाटो की ही गलती की श्रेणी में आती है ? एक सोची समझी रणनीति के अंतर्गत ब्राह्मणवाद का पोषण करने की कोशिश की जायेगी एक कृषि बहुल राज्य में ! मै नहीं जानता की आप शरणार्थी कौम के बारे में क्या विचार रखते हैं किन्तु अधिकतर जाट और हरियानावासी उनको स्वार्थपर्क से ज्यादा कुछ नहीं मानते ! ये जहाँ भी रहे हैं इन्होने वहाँ की संस्कृति का मालिया मेट किया है ! मै स्वीकार करता हूँ की मेरी उम्र आपके जीवन के अनुभव से काफी कम है किन्तु ऐसे इनके हाथ में अपना भविष्य सौंप कर चिंता मुक्त रहना कठिन ही नहीं असहनीय भी है !
अनुग्रहित !
प्रिय कादियान जी जैसे कि वाली वाल के खेल मे अपनी मेहनत के नंबर कम आते है तथा विरोधी टीम की गलती के नंबर अधिक मिलते है | इन चुनावों मे कुछ ऐसा ही हुआ | हम अन्य जतियों के साथ के लिए भाजपा की गलतियों की बाट देखते रहे | दूसरी ओर भाजपा ने हमारी गलतियों का भरपूर फायदा उठाया | राजनीति की चाल अलग होती है | भाजपा जानती थी कि यदि चुनाव से पहले सी एम कि घोसना कर दी तो पत्ता खुलने से पहले ही साफ हो जाएगा | चोटाला जनता था कि यदि अभे सिंह का नाम नहीं छुपाया तो ज़ीरो भी न आए अत: दुष्यंत को उचाना से खड़ा करना पड़ा | ये सब राजनीतिक ट्रेप थे जिसमे कोई भी फस सकता था \ इसमे जाट फस गए जबकि बेचारा बिसनोई जिसने भाजपा पर भरोसा करके उसको हरियाणा मे चलने लायक बनाया को राजनीतिक तौर पर मृत्यु सैया पर जाना पड़ा |
आप से मैं सहमत हूँ कि इनके हाथों हमारा भविष्य असुरक्षित ही रहेगा ओर यही चोकन्ना पन (alertness) हमे सुरक्षित भी रखेगी | चोधरी भजन लाल तो जाट था उसने पीछे से कोई वार नहीं किया लेकिन ऐसे लोग तो पर्दे के पीछे ही नहीं टट्टी कि आड़ मे शिकार करते है जिसका पता भी नहीं चलता | फिर भी हम हक लेने मे इतने कमजोर नहीं हैं अत: कोई फिक्र करने कि जरूरत नहीं है
चिंता की जरूरत नहीं है अत: निश्चिंत रहो |
Wasie jitne bjp supporter hai unko sabse jayda bura lag rha hai non-jat cm banya bjp ne.. But wo apna dhuk show nhi kar paa rhe hai ha ha ha ha ----------------------Kyunki jinhone nhi kia unhe to pata tha ki wo non-jat cm hoga or anti jat policy
ye bechare bjp supporter esliye itni jaan laga rhe hai khi inki bezaati na ho jaye is karan...baki in bhaiyo ko bahut dard hua hai................Bas bhaiyo inke ghaw pe namak mat dalo....
Gharo ( Inld or congress ) main kya dam tha inKO to aapno (BJP) ne luta, Inke sapne jab tute jab non-jat cm tha
ha ha ha ha ...................koi baat na bhai sab aapne hai dhukda ro lo aapna tham b.
Haan Aman bhai maine bhi 2 din se roti nahi khayi bas meetha kha raha hu Diwali ka.
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amankadian
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Haan Aman bhai maine bhi 2 din se roti nahi khayi bas meetha kha raha hu Diwali ka.
Sahi kara bhai....meri tarf se meetha aapko.....
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I am stopping my case ypu are very much doctrined towards some political belief .... and the only Bhappa who became PM was by Congress and more over the same bhappa was the head of cabinet who had cleard the reservation for JAts in center ... I will not argue to the level to runie the discission but just last words HAVE FAITH IN DEMOCRACY .
If only you choose to understand, you will. Point is you don't want to because it goes against your political inclinations and I am not sure how much more can I stretch a point if one is not willing to work on understanding it.
Give modi all the years you want, and I agree it is too soon but he promised a world to people before elections- why did he do that? He is a media gimmick and his bluff is caught - accept it. Kahan gaya 100 din main ane wala kala dhan? Kahan gaye Vadra ke khilaf cases? Sab ek thali ke chatte batte hai - wake up and smell the beans
I simply made a point that Indira's comparison to Modi is unfair because she was an inclusive PM who took all minorities together- Unlike Modi. ( I am sure you got that much at least)
If not Jats then who else will do good for Jats? Do you seriously expect Bhappe to give reservation to Jats in Haryana? Aapki party ne virodh kia tha khul ke- yad hai?
Khair ... Aap ko aap ke bhappo ki sarkar Mubarak. Karaiye Jato ka Vikas