NRI vs Resident Indians !!!

[brahmtewatia]

I took more pain today to try and go through the posts over here. I thought i would go through all and then reply with a consolidated opinion. but I HAD to stop here.
Can you explain me what is highlighted in bold?

Thanks and Regards, Anil

sure anil, why not !

you didn't checked the post quoted by me in the post where you picked my quote. otherwise, you would have got your answers. secondly, you are making your assessment when the fuss is over <<< have a grip here. it goes w/o mentioning, that indeed you are in a better position, as of now <<< again have a grip here. but my quote at the end of this post, will answer that. for rest, here is my answer
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Ur IQ must be poor to ask such question

Mr Aman , i have read all the replies to ur question but none of them are good enough. well ur 1st question: what do you like about India------ First of all this question you must ask to foreigners what they like about India ,dont ask Indians. Why because We as indians make the country and when we belong to this land how can we make a opinion about it. it is like asking somebody what u like about urself. One more beauty of Indian hearts is that even though u guys live abroad and consider urself as americans etc but we still feel happy and celebrate ur sucesses. kalpana chawla did nothing in India and she was a american but we still feel proud about her. Well thats most of indians do but i dont. I dont consider anybody indian who has left India and is staying abroad. He or she belongs to that country . Well they can just brag abt being patriots but in reallty they are like dhobi ke kutte ghar ke na ghat ke.

Regards
H.S. Dhull

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जब तक Indian फोरन में रह है जब तक देश ने याद करता रह से .....कोई बॉलीवुड पिक्चर देख ली ते देशभक्ति के कारण कालजा बहार आन ने हो जा है........पर जब वापिसी में जैसे ही देल्ली एअरपोर्ट पे पाँव धरते इ की साथ जब साँस में धुल का एहसास होता है तो आदमी सोचे से चलो बढ़िया से ..एक - दो हफ्ते ऐ काटने से ....It is thinking of almost every NRI I have met. This does not define देशभक्त.
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Yes, RIs are frustrated because they dont like people who criticise india ,sitting abroad. This hurts their sentiments. दूर बैठे बैठे बांडे जा है ....इंडिया में आ क देखो फेर बेरा लगेगा ....first thing that come in mind of RI. RIs hate NRIs when some NRI come to INDIA and SAY...."When I was in USA..."

yes, i was harsh. i get harsh when people start getting judgmental. दूर बैठ कै बांडन तै बात कोन्या बनै... so, i wanted them to understand my language by बांडing over here <<< do you catch an essence here. "ghosts of the kikks, dont the listen to the taaks" <<< folks, were not fools, who went by this old adage. you are not "ghost of kikks", so you wont understand the meaning, but those who are... they did.

i know you wont get it. if you know me, then here is my explanation (already given in this, very thread)
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samar, appreciate your 100 (not 10) cents. gandhiji was/is/can be ideal for many, not me. "to err is always me (brahm(it) to forgive is bla bla bla". m a small creature in this materialistic world nd have boundaries, i can n'vr transcend or even dare.

 

[brahmtewatia]

वो भारत हो या दुनिया का कोई भी देश आपको ठाली बैठे खाना नहीं खिला सकता ! आपको दुसरे देश जाने का मौका मिला ये अच्छी बात है मगर इसका मतलब ये नहीं बनता की आप उस देश की बुरे करें जहाँ से आप आये हैं ! जिस आदमी को अपनी जमीन से प्यार नहीं उसे गद्दार ही करार दिया जायेगा ! विदेश में रहने वाले भारतीयों को अगर गुमान है की ये देश उनके पैसे से चलता है तो उन्हें ये वहम अपने दिल से निकल देना चाहिए! आज अमेरिकेन या यूरोपियन कंपनी भारत में आ रही हैं तो ये उनके वहां जाकर काम करने और उनसे इम्प्रेस होकर नहीं आ रही ! यहाँ के सस्ते लेबर के कारन वो यहाँ खींचे आ रहे हैं ! उनकी प्रोडक्ट कास्ट ४०-५० प्रतिशत तक कम हो जाती हैं !
बाकी उन भारतीयों को भी जिन्हें ये वेहम है की विदेश में जाना गुनाह है उनसे एक सवाल है की क्या उन्हें मौका मिलेगा तो वो नहीं जाना चाहेंगे?
हाँ कुछ प्रतिशत उनकी होगी जो नहीं जाना चाहते और यहाँ जिनका अच्छा गुजरबसर चल रहा है बाकी अपनी ज़िन्दगी में हर कोई आगे बढ़ना चाहता है चाहे वो पैसे के मामले में हो या फिर पावर के मामले में ! बाकी विदेश की संस्कृति को सरहाने वालो से एक सवाल है की उनकी संस्कृति है ही कहाँ ? मुझे तो वो सब जानवरों की तरह ही जीते नज़र आये पाषाण युग की तरह वहां कपड़ो और रिश्तो का आभाव ही दिखा ! अपने पेट के लिए तो सिर्फ जानवर ही कमाता है और यूरोपे में तो कम से कम यही हो रहा है ! उनकी घटती आबादी का कारन उनकी मरदाना ताकत का कम होना नहीं है बल्कि अपने अलावा किसी दुसरे के ऊपर खर्चा न कर पाने की आदत का आभाव है ! वहां की नयी पीढ़ी सिर्फ अपना पेट भरना जानती है और वो भी उन्हें अच्छे से नहीं आता !विदेश में जाने का कारन भले ही कोई कुछ भी कहता रहे पर असली कारन तो पैसे कमाने की भूख ही थी ! और में इस भूख को बुरा नहीं मानता क्योंकि हमने आभाव बहुत देखे हैं अपनी ज़िन्दगी में ! विवेक को यू पी में आना विदेश जैसा लगता है पर पापी पेट का सवाल है की हमें आना पड़ता है ! पैसा कमाना हमें भी अच्छा लगता है पर उसके लिए अपने देश को बुरा कहने जैसा गुनाह करते हुए मन में कुछ टूटता सा महसूस होता है !
आप पैसे कमाएं आप आगे बढ़ते जायें आपकी तर्रकी से हमें बहुत ख़ुशी है पर अपने देश को बुरा कहने का हक़ हम किसी को नहीं दे सकते भले ही वो चाहे इस देश का हो या विदेशी !आप अपने देश के लिए कुछ अच्छा करते हैं तो वो आपका किसी पर एहसान नहीं है सिवाय अपने आप के और या बात भारत में रहने वालो पर भी लागू होती है !

rakesh,

you have not gone through the thread and you are unnecessarily getting judgmental.

who is gaddar ?
kis ne desh ki buraai kar di ?
kis-ne kaha ki india nri's ke paison se chalta hai ?
yahan kaun videsh ki sanskriti ka aalaap kar raha hai ?
kis-ne kaha ki videsh ki sanskriti meri hai ?

did you go through my above post and the complete thread ? no !!! please do that, then i'll discuss the matter with you... nd please go through the thread honestly.

 

[sunillathwal]

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Couldn't help but to remember the very famous line..

Why... so SERIOUSSSSS !! (evil laughter follows)

 

[singhvp]

Very mature and balanced thoughts expressed by Col Virendra Tavathia. Our endeavour should be to enrich this forum by thoughtful write ups on the issues confronting our community and the society. Instead of stretching a particular thread out of proportion, it is advisable to come with some new thread with a different subject line. Lengthy articles with little substance tend to be boring and cumbersome, especially to those of us who can not afford to spare much time for socialising on the net. As all of you know, brevity is the soul of wit. So folks let us be brief and gagar mein sagar bharne ke koshish karen.


V.P. Singh

 

[singhvp]

Braham, it seems you are devoting most of the time on Jatland and very little to other activities. Keep it up.

 

[poonam]

and gagar mein sagar bharne ke koshish karen.

V.P. Singh

Kaun sa...Indian ocean ya Pacific/Atlantic..


Sorry guys....in a lil' frisky mood..Friday afternoon after all..(aur waise bhi thread main kaafi jholjhaal [tedious] ho chuka hai..heh heh)

 

[raj2rif]

Dear Members,
I was reading some posts, where members are talking about patriotism, NRI's and Resident Indians. Well, partiotism has nothing to do with the place you live in. Gandhi started his journey from South Africa, while Jaichand was living in his own country. Vibhishan, to us might look hero, but for people of Lanka he was a traitor.
We have enough traitors living within India, and I am sure there a lot of patriotic people living abroad. Patriotism is not only going to war, but in many other ways. The most important patriotism is that we be professionally competent in whatever we do. We be a good and disciplined citizen who follows the law of the land. Not only we follow the law, we also keep our eyes and years open to protect the law. If in any way, we are helping people who circumvent the law, be it due to bribe, or be part of corruption, we can judge ourselves where we stand on patriotism.

 

[ritu]

haha sagar bhi do type k kar diye.eb inke bhi culture p unglia utthegi.RI sagar vs NRI ocean.

Kaun sa...Indian ocean ya Pacific/Atlantic..


Sorry guys....in a lil' frisky mood..Friday afternoon after all..(aur waise bhi thread main kaafi jholjhaal [tedious] ho chuka hai..heh heh)

 

[poonam]

Dear Members,
I was reading some posts, where members are talking about patriotism, NRI's and Resident Indians. Well, partiotism has nothing to do with the place you live in. Gandhi started his journey from South Africa, while Jaichand was living in his own country. Vibhishan, to us might look hero, but for people of Lanka he was a traitor.
We have enough traitors living within India, and I am sure there a lot of patriotic people living abroad. Patriotism is not only going to war, but in many other ways. The most important patriotism is that we be professionally competent in whatever we do. We be a good and disciplined citizen who follows the law of the land. Not only we follow the law, we also keep our eyes and years open to protect the law. If in any way, we are helping people who circumvent the law, be it due to bribe, or be part of corruption, we can judge ourselves where we stand on patriotism.

Gold gold gold...
But the pity is...how many are going to understand this, let alone appreciating it!
This particular 'strain' of people is everywhere regardless of native country, with this so not right mindset and hence the never ending battle of thoughts as reagrds to 'Residents and non-residents' will unfortunately prevail I believe.

 

[upendersingh]

@ Upender ... hahahahahahaha !
Bhai ... gharan baitha baitha khoob research kar rhya sei .... En aar aai ladkiyan ... asleel filmon main ............ hahahahahahahahahahahah !

भाई सिद्धार्थ, या थारे में तै ही कुछ एन.आर.आई. भाईयों की मेहरबानी है. भारत में ऐसी-ऐसी कमी ल्यावे हैं काढ़ कै, जो कधी सुनी ही नहीं थी. फेर हमने भी कुछ अलग ही मामला ढूंढ़ कै ल्याना पड़े है.

 

[upendersingh]

Upender bhai thanks for bringing them in our notice. Will investigate further.

कतई खंगाल कै गेर देना नेट नै भाई अर राज्जे नै बताकर इसका भी भला कर दिए.

 

[upendersingh]

Updender ji aap Bachpan see hee aise hain.....???

Apka maan vichlit nahin hota aise Fotu dekh ke??

NRI bahut badmash log hain.. badiya hua aap NRI naa bane...

Delhi ke kisse call centre main jaiyo aap.. Barthiye sanskriti kaa pata chalega apko.. Smoking Area main ....

Apko Laden(Woh shayad apka Guru hai) kaa address pata hoo toh kirpa karke chithi main likh kar Obama ko bhej doo..

भाई पहले तो मैं मजबूरी में ऐसा था. गाँव का माहौल आप जानो ही हो. फेर बाद में जब सारा परिवार दिल्ली आ गया (पिताजी दि.पु. में थे) तो जहां रहने लगे, वहाँ भी माहौल कुछ ऐसा ही था. पब्लिक या को-एजु. स्कूल में पढ़े ही नहीं. फिर जब कुछ करने का माहौल बना, इस सुश्री आशिकी के चक्कर में पड़ गए. जिस लड़की से प्यार हुआ, उससे भी बस एक-दो नाममात्र की मुलाकात और फोन पर कुछ बात ही हो पाई थी कि उसके घरवालों ने उसका घर से ही निकलना बंद कर दिया. वो एक लंबी कहानी है. फेर कभी. रही-सही कसर मन में उपजे कुछ आध्यात्मिक विचारों ने पूरी कर दी.
अर भाई मेरा मन तो विचलित होता है, लेकिन मैं मन में ये सोचता हूँ कि ये लड़की कितनी सुंदर है, इसका प्रेमी या पति कितना खुशनसीब है. मैं मन में ये नहीं सोचता कि मैं इस लड़की के साथ घूमता तो कितना मजा आता. अर भाई, मैंने ये कभी नहीं कहा कि मैंने अपने अंदर कोई ताकत समेट रखी है. मुझे आप एक घिसा-घुटा आशिक समझो, जो पिछले 12 साल से एक लड़की को पाने की कोशिश कर रहा है. अब देखो क्या होता है. उसी वजह से मैं और किसी लड़की के बारे में सोच भी नहीं पाया और ना कभी सोच पाऊंगा.
जहां तक दिल्ली के कॉल सेंटर की बात है तो भाई युद्धवीर, ये सारी दुनिया छिपकर कुछ भी करो कोई दिक्कत नहीं है, सबको अपनी जिंदगी अपनी मर्जी से जीने का हक़ है. दिक्कत तब है, जब ये सब खुलेआम होने लगता है. इसका मतलब ये होता है कि ऐसे लोग दूसरों को भी उकसाते हैं वैसा करने के लिए. अर भाई पोर्न स्टार को ये सारी दुनिया जान जाती है, जबकि कॉल सेंटर में जो होता है, ना तो उसका कोई वीडियो बनता और ना ही कोई उन्हें जानता. कई एम.एम.एस. वगैरह बना लेते हैं, लेकिन मैं आपको 20 पोर्न स्टार का नाम बताता हूँ, आप मेरे को कॉल सेंटर की एक बुरी लड़की का नाम बता दो. वो सब सार्वजनिक नहीं हो पाता.

 

[upendersingh]

Jat NRI kyun chhod diye bhai? Is area mein bhi casteism......

Jat kya koi ghutti pee ke videsh jaate hain ki baaki NRIs se alag behave karenge. Ya tu saare porn stars ka record rakh raha hai, with caste, religion and other details? Aisa hai to poora byaura de de please. Kya Jaton ko chhod ke baaki saari jaati aur dharmon ne (India and by extension NRIs mein to hazaar type ke maanas hain) porn ki duniya mein apna contribution diya hai? Nahin to, kripya yeh bataayein ki kaun kaun si caste ka kya contribution hai? Who are the leaders and who are the laggards?

भाई कपिल, जैसे ही कोई हिंदू जाट लड़की पोर्न फिल्मों के धंधे में देखूँगा, जरूर बताऊंगा, लेकिन बताऊंगा ई-मेल तै, ना तै ये सारे खाने नै भाजेंगे मझै.

 

[vijay123]

bhai ya Sunny Leone majhe to Jatni si hi lage hai; koi Jatni hi itni himmat ka kaam kar sake hai. Ar isse MTV India walon ne bhi bulaya tha 2005 mei as a hostess for some MTV awards. She is a pretty successful lady in her field.

भाई कपिल, जैसे ही कोई हिंदू जाट लड़की पोर्न फिल्मों के धंधे में देखूँगा, जरूर बताऊंगा, लेकिन बताऊंगा ई-मेल तै, ना तै ये सारे खाने नै भाजेंगे मझै.

 

[upendersingh]

bhai ya Sunny Leone majhe to Jatni si hi lage hai; koi Jatni hi itni himmat ka kaam kar sake hai. Ar isse MTV India walon ne bhi bulaya tha 2005 mei as a hostess for some MTV awards. She is a pretty successful lady in her field.

पंजाबन है ये 'मल्होत्रा'.
इसके तो हिंदी फिल्मों में आने की भी बात हो रही थी, लेकिन फेर वो मामला अटक गया.

 

[upendersingh]

Dear Mr. Upendra,
I have been reading some of the post written by you, and am amazed to see the frustration that you are having. Honestly I have not understood as to what point you want to convey?, You yourself have mentioned that your posts are not to teach or preach any thing but to take out your frustration. I totally agree with you with the intent of your post, for I neither learned any thing nor got influenced with your teachings/arguments.
Here are my views on the subject:
1. Regarding the porn stars that you have shown above. Do we have porn stars in India too?, If answer is yes, then why are you only mentioning NRI's
2. We have rampant prostitution in India and world over. That is the business which gives "Do Waqt Ki Roti" to those people who do it. Some of them do it out of necessity and some do it out of choice by being forced by more powerful spicy called "MAN".
3. We have had a long discussion on Mallika Sehrawat on this forum. To some it might look "Ashlilta", to some it might look art.
To me all this is better than murdering some one, or what many of your so called political leaders and people in power do.
Regarding child sex; well, when I was grwoing up, I had seen it being done covertly in my own village, shameful but true. In my own village I had seen married people male/female; having sex with others. And we have seen numerous movies made on stories where the rich guy went to the prostitute to get some solituted to get his frustration out or to get that extra love or I would say, romance, that his wife either could not provide or was not capable of providing as per his own perception.
I really don't know when targetting NRI's what are you trying to prove.
Look around yourself. You live in Delhi now, I have lived in this city couple of decades earlier, what happens in West was very much there even at that time.
Now if the total intent of your posts is only to take your frustration out; then a little suggestion and I assume you would take it in right perspective:
Open a new thread with the heading: "Lets Take our Frustration Out".
My post is purely to advise members, that whenever we have prejudice against any thing; our views become narrow, and one sided, and that neither makes reading them interesting nor it makes them valuable.
So, think about it. It is not how much you write, but what you write that people appreciate. 176 posts in less than three months that you have been members amounts to almost three plus posts per day. And all your posts are hard work for they all are very long, and probably well researched on internet. That can happen only for three reasons: 1. you are extremely frustrated or 2. You are currently unemployed. 3 you are retired. First two situations are not good. Looking at your picture, I don't think you are retired. While writing on this forum is a great service we all do; it might be a good idea to analyse "What we write" and "How Much We Write", for it is not a revenue generating activity. So, if it becomes our full time job, then we probably are not contributing our bit towards our own family's income.

Hon'ble Col. Tavathia,
You are more experienced and successful than me, so I can't argue with you about the points mentioned by you in your post. I just want to answer for your last para. Actually, Mr. Brahm had invited all members in his party (thread) to have dinner (to put their views here). So that is the reason I didn't start the new thread for pouring in my frustrations. But if it is distasteful then I will keep it in mind for future. As far as number of my posts are concerned, then I would like to say that Jatland entertains me even more than tv. As I am a free lance journalist and as it is my work to write and edit so it doesn't bother me to write for JL. Wishfully I am not a very busy person and thus time is not a problem for me.
I have a deep respect for Armyman. By the way if I ever find you as humorous or non-serious as Mr. Brahm, then I am certainly going to crossquestion your points and argue over in future.
With best regards.

 

[shailendra]

"Bhaand" to Bhaand hi rahegaa....

Brahm, come on buddy…cool, take it easy…I won't worry too much about educating each and every one of those misinformed 'laato kae bhoot' folks…in fact if you noticed it is increasingly getting nicer (cozier) here now to just sit back and watch some of these (couple of…very entertaining bhaands ) RI's give their ‘sleaze’ opinions openly on a public forum and thereby make their own (sick) mindset very clear to all and sundry, much to the amused disgust of any other regular jatlander… (while others are having a great time laughing at these poor losers expense I doubt they are even aware of it themselves!)…the other hilarious part being that while they have washed all their minds dirty/frustrated linen here [reflecting quite aptly on their own background and real upbringing and what kind of ‘fetish’ like thought process that obviously drives their whole internet days (and...ahem...nights!)] ...the best they could come up with to defend using such below-the-belt crap and ‘gahtiya’ posts, (posts- that prove… who knows what argument?) is to keep saying like some broken record that,….”Yae sabb NRI’s India kae bare mein bura hi kehte hein, isliyae”…when one can take a fine tooth comb thru all 12 pages and not find one NRI member bad-mouthing the motherland on this thread (if anything, they have been called on their own bluff regarding useless mudslinging. Period.)……..!

So, do they really have a valid argument at all to act like phokatia Narad-muni’s with cunningly veiled innuendos or some mentally sick porn trolling internet junkie (and then any other “john-came lately’s” that don’t even know the first thing about what constitutes the word ‘gaddar’)???...so do they really have anything to say or contribute to a healthy discussion? No, they don’t…and most of the other aghast members who have but pointed out as much, obviously see that finally!…..So that’s why I say this to you again - let these sicko’s and their (apparent addiction with women, porn, clinton's cigar and/or bird-brain ideas of 'patriotism') posts which only contributes more crap with every word (and lifts their already ‘bhaand’ status to now giddy heights) NOT create more smoke and mirrors for the other decidedly learned population here that would rather engage in valid and credible discussions… and I say this as being especially important for the more informed/intellectual resident Indian brethren members here that may wrongly constitute strong tit for tat words (from NRI’s like you and me) as to be mistakenly directed at them or against their (dare I say, sometimes valid?) thoughts about the highly complex issue of the 21st century global Indian…. Enough said!

 

[rajkphogat]

कतई खंगाल कै गेर देना नेट नै भाई अर राज्जे नै बताकर इसका भी भला कर दिए.

Arrey nahi bhai upender teri research bhot se manne to teri b post na padhi sirf fotu-2 dekh ki er heading dekh ki samaj gya ek bhitar k se................

Vijay bhai research paper mere tai bhejan ki jarut na se tu apni degree Phd ki nu e le liye............

 

[sidchhikara]

Weird discussion ... I have read not more than 2 posts on this thread .... infact I don't read anything on Jatland ...its a waste of time ... jyaadatar chhore aade 20-30 saal ke hain aur baat buddhan jissi karein sei ...... gaam ke buddhe nahi .... shahri buddhe jo Ramlila committee ke chairman hoya karein bhaisaab ji bhaisaab ji bahisaab ji ... ... typical loser conservative nonsense.
Ok then ... my hands are tired from typing ... I am gonna drink some gatorade.

 

[brahmtewatia]

Braham, it seems you are devoting most of the time on Jatland and very little to other activities. Keep it up.

सिंह साहब नमस्कार, जाटलैंड पर आपका स्वागत है. आई ऍम ग्लेड डेट यू हैव द करेज टू फिल पेसिफिक ओशन इन गागर.

प्लीज स्पेंड सम मोर टाइम टू गेट एकवेनटिड विध जाटलैंड (एग्री)कल्चर.

रही बात मेरी, डोंट वरी... मन्ने तो टीक्कड़ हजम करण ताईं हाडे आना पड़े है. अर ना आऊँ... त व के कहें... अक पेट में गुम्मारा सा रहवे है.

एंड बाई द वे... हाओ डू यू नो दैट आई ऍम नॉट स्पेंडिंग मोर टाइम ऑन अदर एक्टिविटीस ?

और सुनाइये हाओ इज कुआलालामपुर ?