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OBC WHO ARE THEY

I, a retired Brigadier with a post graduate degree in Physics, son of a District magistrate, with brothers all with post graduate degrees. Sister married to an IPS Officer, who retired as DG, siblings all doing well and at top levels in chosen fields, my own children no less. A second generation out of village, proud of my heritage and background one day suddenly I became, to my horror, an OBC, that too with retrospective effect, even my father and grand father and all down the chain.

The real OBC, as I look back was the high- cast `Brahmin Cook`, proud of his sacred thread , the loin- cloth and the undisputed rule on the kitchen , happy with a salary of couple of rupees That was at Gorakhpur during 1937-38,

Till now I was proud of my status and my background but now I am extremely chary and making all efforts to hide my OBC status. bls31
 
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OBC WHO ARE THEY

I, a retired Brigadier with a post graduate degree in Physics, son of a District magistrate, with brothers all with post graduate degrees. Sister married to an IPS Officer, who retired as DG, siblings all doing well and at top levels in chosen fields, my own children no less. A second generation out of village, proud of my heritage and background one day suddenly I became, to my horror, an OBC, that too with retrospective effect, even my father and grand father and all down the chain.

The real OBC, as I look back was the high- cast `Brahmin Cook`, proud of his sacred thread , the loin- cloth and the undisputed rule on the kitchen , happy with a salary of couple of rupees That was at Gorakhpur during 1937-38,

Till now I was proud of my status and my background but now I am extremely chary and making all efforts to hide my OBC status. bls31
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Sir, when I tease a friend of mine from Delhi, about his OBC status. He jokingly says "Or Bade Chaudhary" :) . But now everybody seems to be in this rat race of becoming backward.
 
Uncleji,

You are in creamy layer and therefore can't take advantage under OBC :).

bls31 said:
OBC WHO ARE THEY

I, a retired Brigadier with a post graduate degree in Physics, son of a District magistrate, with brothers all with post graduate degrees. Sister married to an IPS Officer, who retired as DG, siblings all doing well and at top levels in chosen fields, my own children no less. A second generation out of village, proud of my heritage and background one day suddenly I became, to my horror, an OBC, that too with retrospective effect, even my father and grand father and all down the chain.

The real OBC, as I look back was the high- cast `Brahmin Cook`, proud of his sacred thread , the loin- cloth and the undisputed rule on the kitchen , happy with a salary of couple of rupees That was at Gorakhpur during 1937-38,

Till now I was proud of my status and my background but now I am extremely chary and making all efforts to hide my OBC status. bls31
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Only second generation out of village : other cousins , nephews, nieces though had the same opportunity remained part of the skimmed milk. BLS31
 
Its called perverse incentive.
I don't blame people who are not well off to be interested in reservations - the game is rigged - you will not get anywhere by doing the right thing.
Its like expecting a Wall Street bank like JP Morgan Chase to not sell toxic derivatives when everybody else is doing it.
Just like Wall Street needs regulation, India needs to get rid of caste based reservation all together.
Help can be provided to economically poor people irrespective of caste.
 
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Sir, when I tease a friend of mine from Delhi, about his OBC status. He jokingly says "Or Bade Chaudhary" :) . But now everybody seems to be in this rat race of becoming backward.
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बहुत बढ़िया पन्ने. या ही हकीकत सै. एक तू और एक वो भाई आतिश मोहन, दोनों बहुत मीठे जातक हो ऑस्ट्रेलिया में रहने वाले जाटलैंडर्स में.
 
reservation, be on any basis is a curse !

at the same time it is a reality... blame it on our politicians.

agar kisi zaruratmand JAT bhai ka is-se bhala hota hai, then i am proud to be called as outwardly backward caste - JAT (though none in my family nd associated family have reaped any benefits nd dont even need so)

i stay 10,000 kms away from my homeland, does any body care here ?... NO !!!. but i'm pleased that someone in my community is being benefited by my status.

i would also like brahmins to be called as obc's some time later. they also deserve that status. in fact, this is the right of every indian to fight for this status.
 
Sir, I am really surperised to read your views on OBC, If a post graduate degree holder, from a family holding many degrees by atlist three generations, a high ranking person s/o high status father, if feels & talks like a totally uneducated chaudhary who has nothing with him except eggo, in that case God saves this community. Sir, are all jats like you, does your caste make you great or small or your work. What to talk about OBC even in SC & ST, THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE & THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ARE MORE educated, more degree holders & from batter back ground but they always try more benifits for their community. Sir, tell me honestly what is wrong in OBC & what is good in word pandit. It is not the caste, the family background, degree or rank which gives you respect but it is your behaviour & your work which always earns respect for you. Please pardon me for my fronk expression, I really never could thought person like you can have such small thinking on the subject. please go around the jat villages in all states & see the condition, the fight for reservation is not for the children of only Brigadier, who feels great in leaving his village, but the strugle is for villagers, for jats whose condition is detoriating day by day. Sir does a person become great by staying in citiy? Anyway sir, I hope there is no politics in your expression. once again, please excuse me for my expression. with warm regards
 
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I having reached the stage where I, thanks for my father providing me the best of education, where I wonder as to why I should also be called an OBC, just because I am a Jat. Incidentally my uncles with same basic education as my father remained happy where the were, picking up jobs near home so they could come back to spend the night in the village, why did they not make efforts to educate their children the way my father did on his limited salary- who rose from a Kanongo to a District Magistrate, step by step, not because he was an OBC but because of his hard work, dedication to duty, honesty integrity and more importantly pride in himself, and why did their children not go for higher studies even when opportunity was there for taking and means were also there. It is a question of Mind Set, a desire to do well and become some thing and respect for self. Let us not use OBC status as a crutch to hide our lack of effort, qualification skills. In any case I would have never liked my children to have taken advantage of the OBC tag as many better off than me have /or may have taken. Reservation never helped any one; it is education and more importantly Soft Skills which will take one ahead in life. I do not know of kids or if you are even married as on date, but please, my advice, if you would like to have , would be to ensure that thy get the best education possible so that they do not need the OBC status to help them progress in life. Best BLS 31
 
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With due respect, may I submit that I am post graduate of history, political science & Industrial relations & , personnel management. AlSO graduate OF LAW &member of Bar since last 30 years. My wife is MA B Ed, my daughter is gold medlist of M COM & post graduationin mass com & generalism and stood second in university in post graduate diploma of Business management. She passed CPA in Australia with distinction. My son stood secondin in uni in post graduation in Psychology & post graduate diploma in H R D, BOTH CHILDREN WELL SETTLED, my other details & background may not be less, my forfathers & now I am head of my village, I have repersented my state in national volleybal competion, repersented punjab university in inter uni chempionship, I become college president & first Gen secretory of Haryana students union, I am maha sevak { president} of my gotra khap for last about 30 years, after taking pre mature retirement from Army as Lt col, I ,established a coy where about 4000 people are working happily. I am also doing service to ex servicemen as member state sainik board & as member Animal welfare Board of INDIA, THERE ARE MANY MORE TO WRITE BUT i DONOT WANT TO BOTHER YOU MUCH, I must tell you, my wealth is honesty, hard work, sincerity, dedication, morale courage & sacrifice. I am also against any kind of reservation but when it is there, why cannot be for jats. My dear sir does OBC stops you from working hard, does OBC stops you to apply for general seats, do you think people from OBC are not human beings, do you think, yadavas are less than you in any field today being in OBC. dOES obc STOPS YOU TO GET EDUCATION { DONOT TELL ME IT DEMOTIVATES} WE all know how people go up. You are one of the senior most , a guiding star & respected member of this forum, we all or atlist I follow you sincerely thus your statement or views on OBC can demage the strugle badly. Even if you donot need & donnot like , you shouldnot put breaks to the momentom by expressing adverse views. I also donot need reservation but my community needs, not only economically but politically also we are loser if we remain with so called upper castes. Sir I have lot of education degrees more than what I have written above but I donot consider myself as educated person, please note degree doesnot make a person an educated. Request, please re- think on the point of OBC FOR JATS. wITH WARM REGARDS. SIR, you are welcome to discuss the topic pvt if you want regards
 
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Respected Brigadier Sahab and Fateh Bhai Sahab,

In fact both of you are right in your respective stances. This issue shrouds a dilemma of "to do or not to do". On the one hand there are people like Brigadier who want to maintain their exalted caste tag and; on the other there are poorer peasants who are eagerly waiting to reap the harvest of reservation. Community is divided on this issue. Ideally, all reservations in the name of cast should be scrapped forthwith. Jats are demading because some other castes have been availing it for decades and some of them have already made it to the creamy layer of society leaving the so called upper castes far behind in the race. If the trend continues there will hardly be any caste left outside the ambit of reservation. This is not at all a healthy trend as the stream of benefits continues to flow unfiltered even to those who have already become rich by virtue of this policy. At the most, reservation can be justified to some extent only for economically weaker sections of society and that too for a certain period.
 
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I am also against any kind of reservation but when it is there, why cannot be for jats. It is a me too syndrome.

Other Backward Class (OBC). How it feels to be called Backward . Question is: are Jats backward in their thinking, in education , financially or have they have been oppressed?

What are the issues that justify the Tag OBC . what are the cost benefits for jats 'at large'.If it is all pervasive, who will ensure that the more affluent , better educated , better placed do not reap the benefits leaving the deserving where they are. BLS31
 
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YES SIR, Jats are backward in all respect what you have mentioned above, why are you forgeting jats from Rajesthan, J &K, MP etc, please come out of four walls of your family, your background, your degrees and your high status, step on ground of reality, you will realise the real condition of jats. Secondly, tell me honestly, are jats batter than yadav/sunars (soni) in any field. If jats donot deserve reservation than do you think muslims & christians who ruled us for such a long period and enjoyed all legal/elegal benifits in the society, need. Why do you call obc as tag. sir, for your information, word jat is used by many high status people like you, as abuse & to indicate uneducated. Sir, why are we so worried about the system of implementation, we shall talk when we get the hounor of OBC. HAVE YOU NOTICED NOW IN THESE DAYS, THERE ARE SEPERATE SEATS FOR OBC WITHIN THE RESERVED SEATS FOR EX-SERVICEMEN. Not only executive, legislate & judiciary is effected by so called the tags. we have to be practical, we have to walk on ground, we have to see the reality. I agree that there shouldnot be any reservation, but is it happening, is it possible in near future. Thus, if the reservation is going to stay, why jats be deprived of some even very little benifits. I sincerely request to all educated, wellof & experienced jats like you to lead the strugle for reservation. With warm regards
 
JATs

JATs are becoming morally backward for sure if not otherwise.

1. Have seen a JAT woman poisioning milk of an infant.
2. Have seen a JAT woman having affairs with lot-lot many persons and her husband
alongwith her genetic father & several other ladies of household are fully aware.

Still that husband is not asking for Divorce !! ( Child is above 18 now)

Those ladies are praising( might be false) her to get a note of 500 rupees as in tradition of JAT families to give money to specific relative when meet.

Dum hilati hai 500 ke note ke liye!!

So many more things.....will write later..
 
gold gold gold !

salutations to you fateh sir... every word of yours is worth framing !

Fateh said:
I am also against any kind of reservation but when it is there, why cannot be for jats. My dear sir does OBC stops you from working hard, does OBC stops you to apply for general seats, do you think people from OBC are not human beings, do you think, yadavas are less than you in any field today being in OBC. dOES obc STOPS YOU TO GET EDUCATION { DONOT TELL ME IT DEMOTIVATES} WE all know how people go up. You are one of the senior most , a guiding star & respected member of this forum, we all or atlist I follow you sincerely thus your statement or views on OBC can demage the strugle badly. Even if you donot need & donnot like , you shouldnot put breaks to the momentom by expressing adverse views. I also donot need reservation but my community needs, not only economically but politically also we are loser if we remain with so called upper castes.
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Fateh said:
YES SIR, Jats are backward in all respect what you have mentioned above, why are you forgeting jats from Rajesthan, J &K, MP etc, please come out of four walls of your family, your background, your degrees and your high status, step on ground of reality, you will realise the real condition of jats.
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Why do you call obc as tag. sir, for your information, word jat is used by many high status people like you, as abuse & to indicate uneducated. Sir, why are we so worried about the system of implementation, we shall talk when we get the hounor of OBC. HAVE YOU NOTICED NOW IN THESE DAYS, THERE ARE SEPERATE SEATS FOR OBC WITHIN THE RESERVED SEATS FOR EX-SERVICEMEN. Not only executive, legislate & judiciary is effected by so called the tags. we have to be practical, we have to walk on ground, we have to see the reality. I agree that there shouldnot be any reservation, but is it happening, is it possible in near future. Thus, if the reservation is going to stay, why jats be deprived of some even very little benifits. I sincerely request to all educated, wellof & experienced jats like you to lead the strugle for reservation. With warm regards
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My impressions are that of the Jats of western UP, You being at the grass root level are better informed about the Jats of the places you have indicated. There must be other similar pockets where jats need not fall in OBC category and in such case the OBC tag need not be Pan India.

In any case these are my personal feelings and I do not profess to be a spokesman of any organized group for and against the OBC Tag for Jats. And yes I am proud to be a Jat but also disappointed for more reasons than one . bls31
 
21 OBC definitions

21 OBC definitions. check out this link >>> http://www.all-acronyms.com/OBC

Officer Basic Course
On-board computer
Optical Bar Camera
Optical Bar Code
On-Band Computer
Ontario Building Code
Octal-to-Binary Conversion
Office Broadband Communication
Office of the Bureau Chief
Officer Billet Code
Officers Basic Course
On Board Checkout
Onboard Blackbody Calibrator
On-Board Controller
Optimum bactericidal concentration
Optional, But Cool
Original Broadway Cast
Originating Basic Call
Outside Back Cover
On-Board Checkout
Other Backward Classes

does any one of above says OBC-JAT ???... Answer = NO !!!
 
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Organization for Bat Conservation
Outline Business Case (UK government procurement)
Oriental Bank of Commerce (India)
Original Broadway Cast
Oriental Bird Club
Ocean Bottom Cable
Original Birth Certificate
Online Booty Call (website)
On Board Credit (cruise industry)
Obscured by Clouds (Pink Floyd album)
Outer Banks Conservationists
Overseas Basing Commission
Optical Bar Camera
One Button Checkup (Norton Utilities)
Online Business Center
Overseas Briefing Center
Outboard Boating Club
Office of Bar Counsel
Open Bible Church
Out of Band Control
Orange Belt Conference
Onslaught Block Constructed (gaming)
Organic and Biochemistry
Overhead Bridge Crane
Operating Budget Committee
Old Boy's Club
Obligations à Bon de Conversion
Officer Billet Code
On-Orbit Calibrator
Oostzaanse Bridge Club (Amsterdam, Netherlands)
Off-Boresight Compensation
Optical Bench Enclosure (NASA)
Open Birth Certificates (adoption)
Ossa Bene Cubent (Latin: The Bones Rest Well, epigraphy)
Oracle Business Component
Oxford and Bermondsey Club (UK)
Organically Bound Chlorine

its a matter of perception where you associate yourself.
 
I totally agree with Fateh Sir.Not everone is economically & socially better off in our community like Brig Sir.

Reservation is neccessary for our community specially when land holding are decreasing day by day , what will the youth of our community do....Also being in OBC list , it will help out Jat Brothers to get admission in good institutes....

I will never feel embraced if someone calls me OBC...As Vivek right said it is "Or Bade Chaudhry"...See yadavs how they have benefitted from OBC tag , most of them are educated n doing well....We as a Jatlanders must rise above our personal microscopic views for the larger interest of the community...

Regards
Hemant Hooda
 
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